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"(OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
 
   (I like how I've managed to give it not one but two incorrect sequence numbers in the teaser subject headers. Go me!)

Anyway, this is out now. Figured I'd put a hook post here to open the discussion, and notify anybody who might be watching the board rather than What's New or the RSS page. Have at it!

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1. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   Let us have a moment of sober silence for a wayward Warlord who is in the wrong place at precisely the wrong time for all the right reasons.

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2. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >
>Anyway, this is out now. Figured I'd put a hook post here to open the
>discussion, and notify anybody who might be watching the board rather
>than What's New or the RSS page. Have at it!
>

Wow. More than worth the wait, and based on the results I think they won't have revoked Saionji's bus pass. Akio'd better be hiding someplace really good.

I guess Christmas in Sendai wasn't as peaceful as I would have imagined.

Niri...suddenly looked up, her ears twitching.

In my head, the subtitled version of this has Niri saying, "Mama?"

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3. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   Ho-ly shite.

Rarely have I encountered a more apt title for -anything-. That was...spectacular, and a combination of powerfully engaging and exceptionally difficult to plow through; the latter because we -know-, whatever is happening, this is just the opening act.

I-401; Izumi, Maki, and Kyoshi; Kaitlyn v. Raajura; Anakin and Saionji; Korra's Wild Hunt; the aftermath; Utena's absolutely incredible self-control. I spent the entire back half of this piece entirely unable to even -consider- stopping and leaving the rest till morning.

War has been declared, and it has already proven that it will be unrelentingly vicious.

Well -done-.

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4. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   Well, that was a romp indeed.

Very surprised to see Touga go down for good, and seemingly so suddenly, too- curious, perhaps, as to the reasoning behind it. I may have an idea, but still.

Also, hello to I-401, who I suppose shouldn't just be called anything else just yet? I was a little bit sad that she didn't get a mention in the aftermath, although it might just be because she wasn't as important at the time.

Is it strange of me that through quite a lot of the fic, I was just really, really worried about what was happening to the girls of Houkago Tea Time during all of this gang warfare? I really hope that they're safe.

...Akio better not be about to pull a Vigo, is all I'm sayin'.


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12. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >Also, hello to I-401, who I suppose shouldn't just be called anything
>else just yet? I was a little bit sad that she didn't get a mention in
>the aftermath, although it might just be because she wasn't as
>important at the time.

Not so much that she's not important as that no one really knows what to do with her. She's not hostile; in fact, she's NON-hostile to an extent that's positively confusing to the people tasked with keeping track of her while the VIPs are fumbling their way through the aftermath.

I was originally going to come back to her that evening, but the only one who's liable to be able to make anything of her is Corwin, and he's... not as interested as you might think, just at present. There'll be a time to investigate, but this particular installment ended before it arrived.

>Is it strange of me that through quite a lot of the fic, I was just
>really, really worried about what was happening to the girls of
>Houkago Tea Time during all of this gang warfare? I really hope that
>they're safe.

Not strange at all, but don't worry, they're fine. The disturbances were confined to Republic City and Nanisivik; nothing happened in Sakuragaoka. Matter of fact, we've already seen what they were doing on that very Friday night - it's the same day as the Death Devil show in TFLF #8. (They were so busy in school and then getting ready for the show that none of them even watched the news or anything, so they have no idea anything's amiss elsewhere in the world.)

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15. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens when Corwin talks to her, even if I'm worried. I mean, experience would make you think Corwin's not the kind of person to go 'because I was dealing with you I wasn't there to save my daughter', but this is such a painful situation I feel as if all bets are off...


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33. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   LAST EDITED ON May-31-15 AT 02:30 AM (EDT)
 
>
>Also, hello to I-401, who I suppose shouldn't just be called anything
>else just yet? I was a little bit sad that she didn't get a mention in
>the aftermath, although it might just be because she wasn't as
>important at the time.
>

She's got more than a little to deal with herself. She's just been given hard evidence that she has a god. Not just any god, but a god specifically suited to her entire civilization. And she just helped Akio kidnap her god's daughter.

If I was in her shoes, I'd probably feel justified in being catatonic for a week. (Considering her processor time, she might do something similar, but it'll probably take less than twelve hours.)

>
>Is it strange of me that through quite a lot of the fic, I was just
>really, really worried about what was happening to the girls of
>Houkago Tea Time during all of this gang warfare? I really hope that
>they're safe.
>

Eh. He's too focused on hating the Trinity to worry about trivia. He just did the whole Comet thing because he needed a plausible excuse for getting Korra as far away as possible. Not his fault he didn't understand the whole "Spirit World as shortcut" thing.

EDIT: I just re-read the timestamps. Hokago Tea Time is fine. I have a feeling that the mail Mio got is going to be sent in the morning, Corwin's time, and late night Sakuragaoka time.

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45. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >EDIT: I just re-read the timestamps. Hokago Tea Time is fine. I
>have a feeling that the mail Mio got is going to be sent in the
>morning, Corwin's time, and late night Sakuragaoka time.

NOTE: Sakuragaoka and Qurluqtuq are in the same time zone. They're separated by very many lines of latitude, but only a few degrees of longitude.

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   LAST EDITED ON May-30-15 AT 04:06 AM (EDT)
 
... Well. That escalated quite a bit. I didn't expect Cheong to be the source of that quote, and I'm looking forward to him discovering just how epically he fucked up.

Just as a side question, why does Leyna hate Gryphon's family so much? Did I miss a scene in one of her previous appearances?

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7. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   LAST EDITED ON May-30-15 AT 04:15 AM (EDT)
 
Gryphon humiliated her in front of everyone on his way in to skewer Akio, back in the Blood Ties trilogy. Or so she thinks. For him, it was basically Tuesday.

...Come to think of it, that might have a bit to do with it all on its own. He didn't take her seriously.


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10. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >Gryphon humiliated her in front of everyone on his way in to skewer
>Akio, back in the Blood Ties trilogy. Or so she thinks. For him, it
>was basically Tuesday.
>
>...Come to think of it, that might have a bit to do with it all on its
>own. He didn't take her seriously.

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   *Thanks for the coke, Phil*


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   >... Well. That escalated quite a bit. I didn't expect Cheong to be the
>source of that quote, and I'm looking forward to him discovering just
>how epically he fucked up.

Korra should've realized that having him man the projector when getting a White Lotus briefing may have been a bit denigrating, even if he -was- a new hire at the time.

>Just as a side question, why does Leyna hate Gryphon's family so much?
>Did I miss a scene in one of her previous appearances?

Leyna hates Gryphon because she got in the way when he was rescuing Raven in Blood Ties. For Leyna, it was the single most horrible day of her life, defeated despite all she did to uphold the honor of the school, leaving her to stew in frustration and anger. For Gryphon... it was Tuesday.

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9. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   Ah yes, that explains it. For some reason, I was convinced OOTR was her first appearance. Mind you, if she ever explains to someone why she hates Gryph, the response should be fascinating...

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11. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >>... Well. That escalated quite a bit. I didn't expect Cheong to be the
>>source of that quote, and I'm looking forward to him discovering just
>>how epically he fucked up.
>
>Korra should've realized that having him man the projector when
>getting a White Lotus briefing may have been a bit denigrating, even
>if he -was- a new hire at the time.

But getting picked to run the filmstrip machine is a great honor! I believe this has come up before. :)

>>Just as a side question, why does Leyna hate Gryphon's family so much?
>>Did I miss a scene in one of her previous appearances?
>
>Leyna hates Gryphon because she got in the way when he was rescuing
>Raven in Blood Ties. For Leyna, it was the single most
>horrible day of her life, defeated despite all she did to uphold the
>honor of the school, leaving her to stew in frustration and anger.
>For Gryphon... it was Tuesday.

Actually, a quick check of the date stamps in Blood Ties 3 indicates that it was either a Monday, or late Sunday night. :)

--G.
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6. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   Aaaand you may consider me ready for the next installment, sir.

In no particular order, since I'm too tired to be arsed to string them together so:

- Touga's death was deeply satisfying, especially considering what came before it. Corwin rescuing I-401 from him was likewise fulfilling, if for different reasons.
- Seeing the Masho in action made me want to go hunt down their source to try and watch it from beginning to end, but I'm worried that 31-me will not be able to take the sheer amount of cheese he can remember the earlier parts containing. 14-me thought it was pretty damn awesome, though, so we shall see.
- Man, Utena has more self-control than I would in that situation. Letting Cheong live had to have been a hard decision to make.
- Have the residents of Diqiu not yet learned that pissing off their Avatar is not conducive to continued existence on the mortal coil? Offworlders I can almost understand, but really, c'mon guys, you've had a hundred and forty years to get used to the idea that Korra will flatten you if you make her mad.
- You, sir, are a magnificent bastard. I sincerely hope that the next part is in the works and not far off, because leaving this hanging like it is would be absolutely criminal.

...Further analysis will have to wait til it's not 3 AM and I've had time to fully digest.


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14. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   So, on a reread, I came across this line of Touga's near the end, and I have to say, it perfectly sums up just how little he understood Utena and the others.

>Something to do with the weird cosmology of... wherever it was Tenjou and her
>pets thought they could hide from us.

Both the 'pets' part, and the thought of Utena ever hiding, especially from him.

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16. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   Well. That was...

Excuse me, my imagination just went all the ways that Akio could use Annabelle and Garnet. I needed a moment.

It seems to me that Oriphos may be in for an interesting experience. After all, it isn't part of Muspelheim so invading Oriphos doesn't invalidate all those nuisancy treaties that kept Corwin from gutting Akio when he visited Sheol.

Now Akio may realise this and return to Sheol but he's got a lot invested in Oriphos and I'm not sure how much will be left. (Man, if that's his plan and he wants to reshape a wrathful Trinity into blood-soaked conquerers he really might think it'll just take one more little push).

But either way, things are getting ugly.

I have to wonder why Leyna was at Ohtori Academy in the first place. Where does he recruit all these students from.

Also the glimpse of Summer '06 leaves me intrigued. It's not much more than a decade since Kei and Gryphon put down a military coup there and there actually seemed to be prospects of peace with Kaneka at that point. Either things went markedly south after that or the warlords really didn't like the idea of peace. I'd love to see more of that.

D.


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22. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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>It seems to me that Oriphos may be in for an interesting experience.
>After all, it isn't part of Muspelheim so invading Oriphos doesn't
>invalidate all those nuisancy treaties that kept Corwin from gutting
>Akio when he visited Sheol.

I do believe that once he gets his feet under him, no treaty could stop Corwin from converting Oriphos back to the less-than-dust from whence it came. You're forgetting who Corwin's aunt is - defying the Allfather is kinda in his blood :)


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35. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >
>>It seems to me that Oriphos may be in for an interesting experience.
>>After all, it isn't part of Muspelheim so invading Oriphos doesn't
>>invalidate all those nuisancy treaties that kept Corwin from gutting
>>Akio when he visited Sheol.
>
>I do believe that once he gets his feet under him, no treaty could
>stop Corwin from converting Oriphos back to the less-than-dust from
>whence it came. You're forgetting who Corwin's aunt is - defying the
>Allfather is kinda in his blood :)

"I'm not invading Oriphos. I'm going along to keep Matalde from killing everybody before we rescue the kids."

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59. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-01-15 AT 03:00 AM (EDT)
 
>Well. That was...
>
>Excuse me, my imagination just went all the ways that Akio could use
>Annabelle and Garnet. I needed a moment.

I've been having similar thoughts. Maybe not Garnet (don't know enough about dragons), but what w/could happen when the bad guy kidnaps the good guys's baby and keeps the baby until she's no longer a baby? I mean, it's not like she'd have any memories of her parents at this point, and would probably just accept whatever the bad guy tells her about everything. And gee, we already know she's going to be some kind of bender, plus who knows what she's inherited from Anthy and Corwin. Things could get very interesting on the family front if she's not recovered relatively soon.

(based on other reading, recovery often depends on how angsty the author wants to get, or how much stomach the author has for having to include a child into the equation every time the protagonist-parents need to go do something protaganist-y)

Can they call Garnet by her name to get her back? (as Nall did, when he wanted to talk to her)


>It seems to me that Oriphos may be in for an interesting experience.
>After all, it isn't part of Muspelheim so invading Oriphos doesn't
>invalidate all those nuisancy treaties that kept Corwin from gutting
>Akio when he visited Sheol.
>
>Now Akio may realise this and return to Sheol but he's got a lot
>invested in Oriphos and I'm not sure how much will be left. (Man, if
>that's his plan and he wants to reshape a wrathful Trinity into
>blood-soaked conquerers he really might think it'll just take one more
>little push).
>
>But either way, things are getting ugly.

How about The Trinity leading a vengeful army of benders? We know Korra's bending powers were amplified in Cephiro - is that just for the Avatar's bending, or any bender's bending? Does bending for regular benders even work on Cephiro? And if it works on Cephiro, magic based as it is, does it work in Asgard, Muspelheim, etc? (I would assume so)


What's been going on at DSM? Black Rose people were seen setting up shop there, a couple chapters back or so.


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63. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >What's been going on at DSM? Black Rose people were seen setting up
>shop there, a couple chapters back or so.

That will be revealed once I get off my ass and get cranking on DSMPanic again. Given my current work situation, backlog of coloring, and general procrastination, that may be a while. :/

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17. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   Holy crap that was good. The best since Star Crossed IMO.

A few questions:

- How did the Trinity already know about the Order of the Black Rose? IIRC this is the first time it's been explicitly named.
- What was up with Touga going all beast mode before he died? I didn't see a written transition. Is that kind of an implied thing?

I think there was another but I'm a bit drunk. Man, poor Annabelle. Poor Trinity.


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18. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   They've been getting intelligence, in fits and starts, ever since Ash Knight - and really, given Utena's past history? ANYONE claiming to be part of the Black Rose is on the "bad guys" list.

Touga's human form was just as described - a shell.

What was underneath was far, far uglier.

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20. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >- How did the Trinity already know about the Order of the Black Rose?
>IIRC this is the first time it's been explicitly named.

I expect Raven and/or Gryphon mentioned it in the "debriefing" phase of Blood Ties; the latter heard it mentioned by name on screen, and the former was on the Ohtori Institute campus for long enough to have noticed a number of things that would be meaningful in retrospect, if not right at the moment.

>- What was up with Touga going all beast mode before he died? I didn't
>see a written transition.

Sure you did:

In the half-second or so she had left before he struck her down, Izumi had the satisfaction of knowing that she had forced him to reveal his true face.

And that it was just as ugly as she had thought it would be.

The reveal was less metaphorical than Izumi had been expecting, but all the same...

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38. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >>- How did the Trinity already know about the Order of the Black Rose?
>>IIRC this is the first time it's been explicitly named.
>
>I expect Raven and/or Gryphon mentioned it in the "debriefing" phase
>of Blood Ties; the latter heard it mentioned by name on screen,
>and the former was on the Ohtori Institute campus for long enough to
>have noticed a number of things that would be meaningful in
>retrospect, if not right at the moment.
>
>>- What was up with Touga going all beast mode before he died? I didn't
>>see a written transition.
>
>Sure you did:
>
>
>face="times" color="black"]In the half-second or so she had left
>before he struck her down, Izumi had the satisfaction of knowing that
>she had forced him to reveal his true face.
>
>And that it was just as ugly as she had thought it would
>be.

>
>The reveal was less metaphorical than Izumi had been expecting, but
>all the same...
>
>--G.

Ah, ok. thanks!

Remembered the other question from last night - didn't the Masho dramatically leave the Black Rose a couple of chapters ago?


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39. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >Remembered the other question from last night - didn't the Masho
>dramatically leave the Black Rose a couple of chapters ago?

That's sure what it looked like.

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40. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


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42. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >
>Remembered the other question from last night - didn't the Masho
>dramatically leave the Black Rose a couple of chapters ago?
>

Yeah, it'd take a smooth-talking devil to get them to come back after that.

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19. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   What a powerful, powerful piece.

Easily one of the best EPU works ever written.

I think the others have gone into more detail than I can, since I read it at oh-dark-hundred last night, but I was riveted from beginning to end.

Aftermath thoughts, though...

I shudder to contemplate what Jinora will think of this. I can only hope she finds out from someone other than Avatar Kyoshi. I don't thnk anyone ever really realized the depth of contempt those White Lotus members really had for the Avatar. What I'm not sure of is why they thought she needed to be a machine. A slave. What -really- puzzles me is why they thought their White Lotus oath obligated them to -not- listen to Jinora! Cheong could waffle all he likes about serving the office rather than Korra, he still can't explain away that.

Obviously, the White Lotus being run by an Air Nomad, the traitors will not be looking at capital punishment. And yet, what else fits? They invited demons--literally DEMONS--to a secure compound in a secure pocket plane for the express purpose of capturing members of the Avatar's family. What blows my mind about this is how they thought Korra wouldn't find out what happened after the fact, even if everything had gone according to plan! Truthfully, they wouldn't have known who Touga really was? But surely the signs were there.

If anything can pull Corwin out of his fugue, perhaps it's I-401's presence. She may not be Iona yet, but I'm sure she will be, and once he realizes none of this is his fault...yeah. Take her to Oriphos, have her sit offshore, plow a horizontal line of absolute devastation across campus, turn Akio's home from 'Phallus Pillar' to 'Stubby Stones'...

I'm good with that.

Speaking of Oriphos, there's two presences still unaccounted for. Saionji has finally touched on his real purpose for being there, and rescuing Touga (physically and mentally) appeared to be one. Nanami, I assume, was another. But what's going on with Mia?

It may be silly of me, but I almost hope Leyna Tarrant ends up giving up her hate instead of fighting to the end. Obviously Anakin has contempt for her now, but I'm not sure if it's because she didn't care if she lived or because her hate is all out of proportion to what happened to her.

Hm...I admit I realized their target had to be Annabelle the moment the words Black Rose were mentioned.

I did not for a moment expect them to succeed. Knocked me for a loop when I realized they would, right when I realized the battle was over and Anthy and Nyima hadn't made an appearance.

Now, I can't help but think about celestial politics for a minute here. So far this event involved the kidnapping of Odin Winterbeard's great granddaughter. By demons who by their covenant shouldn't be able to affect the mortal world directly. From where I stand, that seems like two legitimate reasons Asgard can step into this matter and not violate the agreement. Lin Beifong's presence (with a Valkyrie insignia!) seems to bear this out. One wonders how far they will be able to go to redress this.

I had a crazy thought, though. Anyone ever seen the Incredibles? That's a gifted little girl there, she is...


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24. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >I don't thnk
>anyone ever really realized the depth of contempt those White Lotus
>members really had for the Avatar. What I'm not sure of is why they
>thought she needed to be a machine. A slave.

In Korra's lifetime, there has always been that thread in the White Lotus Society's fabric, the ones who - consciously or not - believe that she should work for them rather than the other way around. It started almost as soon as she was identified as the next Avatar, when she was four, and for the next 13 years that... well, "faction" isn't really the right word, but, that faction had the upper hand. What started out as a poorly-thought-out imperative to protect and guide the much-too-young-to-be-Avatar Avatar went wrong fairly quickly, as the difference between guidance and control (and between protection and confinement) sort of got lost in the shuffle.

The point is, there have always been those who have been convinced they know better than Korra does what she ought to be doing (and often with whom and for what reasons, as well). Not just in the White Lotus, as such - she got a bunch of that from Tenzin, too, as a teenager. He wised up eventually, and she thought the White Lotus had too. To say that she's disappointed by their recent performance is to undersell the point somewhat spectacularly. If you count the Tenneq conspiracy as a separate event, this incident marks at least the fourth time in her life that the White Lotus Society has failed her utterly and catastrophically at a critical moment.

There will be consequences.

>What -really- puzzles me
>is why they thought their White Lotus oath obligated them to -not-
>listen to Jinora! Cheong could waffle all he likes about serving the
>office rather than Korra, he still can't explain away that.

If this were a conversation that was happening at some point before the Battle of Fort Tonraq, Cheong would patiently explain to you that - while the Apsara Lama is a noble and generally wise woman - she's very old, she's out of touch with the needs and dangers of this complicated and difficult new era in which the world finds itself, and she's too attached to the Avatar personally to view the matter in a detached and rational manner. She's been letting Korra's cavalier attitude slide for her entire long and otherwise distinguished life, and it would be unrealistic to expect that to change now.

>Obviously, the White Lotus being run by an Air Nomad, the traitors
>will not be looking at capital punishment. And yet, what else fits?

They could try life imprisonment without any semblance of due process. That's always worked for the White Lotus before!*

* That has NEVER worked for the White Lotus before.

>They invited demons--literally DEMONS--to a secure compound in a
>secure pocket plane for the express purpose of capturing members of
>the Avatar's family.

In fairness, they had no way of knowing about the "demons" part and wouldn't have believed it if somebody told them. Dìqiú's modern cosmology doesn't even really have things like that. Dark spirits, sure, but demons? That's pre-War Fire Nation paganism crap, they don't even believe that in the Fire Nation any more.

Also, I don't think the "family" part really entered into Cheong's calculations either. They are, after all, manifestly not family members in a strictly definitional sense.

>What blows my mind about this is how they thought
>Korra wouldn't find out what happened after the fact, even if
>everything had gone according to plan!

If everything had gone according to plan, at least by Cheong's calculations, it wouldn't matter if Korra knew - or, rather, her knowing that the Lotus had arranged for her visitors to stop overstaying their welcome would've been part of the plan. Cheong has - or had - a great faith in the persuasive power of the fait accompli. Surely once they've gone back to wherever they came from, she'll realize what a disruptive distraction their hanging around has been and get back to proper business.

>Speaking of Oriphos, there's two presences still unaccounted for.
>Saionji has finally touched on his real purpose for being there, and
>rescuing Touga (physically and mentally) appeared to be one. Nanami, I
>assume, was another. But what's going on with Mia?

You'll find out.

>It may be silly of me, but I almost hope Leyna Tarrant ends up giving
>up her hate instead of fighting to the end. Obviously Anakin has
>contempt for her now, but I'm not sure if it's because she didn't care
>if she lived or because her hate is all out of proportion to what
>happened to her.

The reasons for Anakin's reaction are touched on briefly in that same scene. Like her, he has something that he hates with a passion that defies any sense of proportion, but in Anakin's case, it's kidnappers and slavers - what we might call "human traffickers" in modern real-world parlance. He and Saionji knew when they arrived what the real objective of the Black Rose mission was (how, we'll get into later), and he assumes that Leyna did too - which makes her complicit, which, in his eyes, makes her lower than snakeshit, QE-effin-D.

So he saves her life, because that's what you do, and then he completely shuts her off, because that's what he has to do to live with having saved someone who would be part of such a scheme. For all that various efforts have been made to impress a nuanced complexity upon him, Anakin Skywalker is really a fairly simple soul.

>Now, I can't help but think about celestial politics for a minute
>here. So far this event involved the kidnapping of Odin Winterbeard's
>great granddaughter. By demons who by their covenant shouldn't be able
>to affect the mortal world directly. From where I stand, that seems
>like two legitimate reasons Asgard can step into this matter and not
>violate the agreement.

I can't speak to this at the moment, but hang onto that, you might want it for reference later.

>Lin Beifong's presence (with a Valkyrie insignia!)

Oh good, I was hoping someone would spot that. Good old no-longer-old Lin. We'll be seeing her again next time.

>I had a crazy thought, though. Anyone ever seen the Incredibles?
>That's a gifted little girl there, she is...

If you're alluding to Jack-Jack, I'm pretty sure he's a boy. :)

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26. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >>Obviously, the White Lotus being run by an Air Nomad, the traitors
>>will not be looking at capital punishment. And yet, what else fits?
>
>They could try life imprisonment without any semblance of due process.

Oh, also, it's worth keeping this in mind: In modern times, the White Lotus Society (for all that it occasionally still acts like it) is not an extraterritorial body. It has rules and whatnot like any organization, but it doesn't have its own internationally recognized code of law, and its installations aren't like embassies. What's more, Fort Tonraq isn't even the Society's property any more, it belongs to Korra - one of the two or three places in the world that are her own property as a private citizen.

What that means is that Cheong and his colleagues, if they face criminal justice proceedings for their part in this - which they are certainly liable to, having been accessories to, at the very least, kidnapping and felony murder (that is, murder committed in the course of another serious crime) - will do so under Southern Water Tribe law.

This is important because, for all that the third-century Southern Water Tribe is a prosperous and cosmopolitan country with a robust, globally integrated economy, it has its roots in a small band of people facing a daily struggle for survival in a harsh, largely barren wilderness, preyed upon by the wildlife, the climate, and more than occasionally the Fire Nation. Its modern criminal justice system still reflects the values instilled by that national experience, and one of those values is that the country really doesn't have the resources to waste on the maintenance of people who are a proven danger to the community, i.e., prison.

Now, that's not to say that the Water Tribes make a habit of capital punishment either. At least in the South, where times were tougher for longer, there is the aforementioned cultural bias against long-term imprisonment, but there is also the concomitant recognition that people, however unacceptable, are generally too valuable for the community to be going around killing them.

So generally, in the most extreme cases, when shaming or shunning or insulting songs (really, they have a tradition very similar to the Norse custom of flyting) isn't enough, what they would do is let the South Pole do the killing for them. It's couched in the laws as a policy of exile or banishment, but everybody knows that being banished to the icecap with little more than a warm jacket and your wits is a death sentence to all but the cleverest, toughest, most resilient folk. The unwritten understanding is basically that anyone who can survive out there without the support of the community deserves to.

I'm not saying that's going to happen to Cheong et al.? But it could, under the laws of the country in which they committed their crimes.

(N.B. All of the above is derived not from ATLA/TLOK canon, as such, but rather from the way things were done among the Canadian Inuit before the white people came, since the Water Tribes were based loosely upon them rather than, as is more common in the Avatar setting, the peoples of East Asia.)

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29. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >Oh, also, it's worth keeping this in mind: In modern times, the White
>Lotus Society (for all that it occasionally still acts like it) is not
>an extraterritorial body. It has rules and whatnot like any
>organization, but it doesn't have its own internationally recognized
>code of law, and its installations aren't like embassies. What's
>more, Fort Tonraq isn't even the Society's property any more, it
>belongs to Korra - one of the two or three places in the world that
>are her own property as a private citizen.
>
>What that means is that Cheong and his colleagues, if they face
>criminal justice proceedings for their part in this - which they are
>certainly liable to, having been accessories to, at the very least,
>kidnapping and felony murder (that is, murder committed in the course
>of another serious crime) - will do so under Southern Water
>Tribe
law.

Ohhh holy -crap-. Southern Water Tribe law? Now -that- is a factor I'm sure the White Lotus hadn't had a reason to consider for decades. Not sure it'll have crossed the minds of any White Lotus alive yet, including the good guys. But when the traitors hear that...

Oh, to see the looks on their faces.

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55. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >Ohhh holy -crap-. Southern Water Tribe law? Now -that- is a factor I'm
>sure the White Lotus hadn't had a reason to consider for decades. Not
>sure it'll have crossed the minds of any White Lotus alive yet,
>including the good guys. But when the traitors hear that...
>
>Oh, to see the looks on their faces.

To quote Deadpool, "Let's hope they're wearing their brown pants."

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28. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >>I don't thnk
>>anyone ever really realized the depth of contempt those White Lotus
>>members really had for the Avatar. What I'm not sure of is why they
>>thought she needed to be a machine. A slave.
>
>In Korra's lifetime, there has always been that thread in the
>White Lotus Society's fabric, the ones who - consciously or not -
>believe that she should work for them rather than the other way
>around. It started almost as soon as she was identified as the next
>Avatar, when she was four, and for the next 13 years that... well,
>"faction" isn't really the right word, but, that faction had the upper
>hand. What started out as a poorly-thought-out imperative to protect
>and guide the much-too-young-to-be-Avatar Avatar went wrong fairly
>quickly, as the difference between guidance and control (and between
>protection and confinement) sort of got lost in the shuffle.

Actually...I hadn't been thinking of how Korra was raised when I made that last comment. The White Lotus who taught her aren't even alive anymore, which is why I discounted this thread, but yeah. The real explanation is that the White Lotus culture dictates that they only pay lip service to Korra being in charge. As far as they are concerned they're the oligarchy that runs Diqiu and the Avatar is their catspaw. I'm sure Jinora is partially aware of that but certainly not to this extent.

>
>The point is, there have always been those who have been convinced
>they know better than Korra does what she ought to be doing (and often
>with whom and for what reasons, as well). Not just in the White
>Lotus, as such - she got a bunch of that from Tenzin, too, as a
>teenager. He wised up eventually, and she thought the White Lotus had
>too. To say that she's disappointed by their recent performance is to
>undersell the point somewhat spectacularly. If you count the Tenneq
>conspiracy as a separate event, this incident marks at least the
>fourth time in her life that the White Lotus Society has failed her
>utterly and catastrophically at a critical moment.
>
>There will be consequences.

The wedding invitation episode was a zephyr in a corner compared to what they have earned now. Now it's more like a thousand-pound block of sulfur in a lake.

>
>>What -really- puzzles me
>>is why they thought their White Lotus oath obligated them to -not-
>>listen to Jinora! Cheong could waffle all he likes about serving the
>>office rather than Korra, he still can't explain away that.
>
>If this were a conversation that was happening at some point before
>the Battle of Fort Tonraq, Cheong would patiently explain to you that
>- while the Apsara Lama is a noble and generally wise woman - she's
>very old, she's out of touch with the needs and dangers of this
>complicated and difficult new era in which the world finds itself, and
>she's too attached to the Avatar personally to view the matter in a
>detached and rational manner. She's been letting Korra's cavalier
>attitude slide for her entire long and otherwise distinguished life,
>and it would be unrealistic to expect that to change now.

The natural response, of course, is to tell him to go bring it up to the council and try to have her voted out. But we all know the truth. A different leader might see through their schemes.

>
>>Obviously, the White Lotus being run by an Air Nomad, the traitors
>>will not be looking at capital punishment. And yet, what else fits?
>
>They could try life imprisonment without any semblance of due process.
> That's always worked for the White Lotus before!*
>
>* That has NEVER worked for the White Lotus
>before.

Sure didn't work when they tried it on Korra.

>
>>They invited demons--literally DEMONS--to a secure compound in a
>>secure pocket plane for the express purpose of capturing members of
>>the Avatar's family.
>
>In fairness, they had no way of knowing about the "demons" part and
>wouldn't have believed it if somebody told them.
>Dìqiú's modern cosmology doesn't even really have
>things like that. Dark spirits, sure, but demons? That's
>pre-War Fire Nation paganism crap, they don't even believe that in
>the Fire Nation
any more.

Oh, agreed. Nevertheless, that's what happened, and it's sure to come up at the trial.

>
>Also, I don't think the "family" part really entered into Cheong's
>calculations either. They are, after all, manifestly not
>family members in a strictly definitional sense.

And yet Cheong knew how much emotional investment Korra had in them; it's the whole reason this happened. You're right, though, that wouldn't fly in court the same way.

>
>>What blows my mind about this is how they thought
>>Korra wouldn't find out what happened after the fact, even if
>>everything had gone according to plan!
>
>If everything had gone according to plan, at least by Cheong's
>calculations, it wouldn't matter if Korra knew - or, rather, her
>knowing that the Lotus had arranged for her visitors to stop
>overstaying their welcome would've been part of the plan.
>Cheong has - or had - a great faith in the persuasive power of the
>fait accompli. Surely once they've gone back to wherever they
>came from, she'll realize what a disruptive distraction their hanging
>around has been and get back to proper business.

I have to wonder if Cheong really grasped the true extra-Diqiu nature of Korra's powers. If they're elsewhere, especially in durance vile, she's just -go there- and rescue them. Or at least try. But...hm. Perhaps that White Lotus culture I spoke of earlier really twisted him.

>
>>Speaking of Oriphos, there's two presences still unaccounted for.
>>Saionji has finally touched on his real purpose for being there, and
>>rescuing Touga (physically and mentally) appeared to be one. Nanami, I
>>assume, was another. But what's going on with Mia?
>
>You'll find out.

Awesome. Mia Ausa has been unexplained (other than the Rangers having a job for her) for a very, very long time.

>
>>It may be silly of me, but I almost hope Leyna Tarrant ends up giving
>>up her hate instead of fighting to the end. Obviously Anakin has
>>contempt for her now, but I'm not sure if it's because she didn't care
>>if she lived or because her hate is all out of proportion to what
>>happened to her.
>
>The reasons for Anakin's reaction are touched on briefly in that same
>scene. Like her, he has something that he hates with a passion that
>defies any sense of proportion, but in Anakin's case, it's kidnappers
>and slavers - what we might call "human traffickers" in modern
>real-world parlance. He and Saionji knew when they arrived what the
>real objective of the Black Rose mission was (how, we'll get into
>later), and he assumes that Leyna did too - which makes her complicit,
>which, in his eyes, makes her lower than snakeshit, QE-effin-D.

Ohhh. It was late, I didn't pick up on the 'These guys are -enslaving- people' angle right away. Truth is, Leyna's hatred is moronic. He's got hundreds of years on her, not like it's her fault he whooped her. There's a crack in that emotional armor, and if Anakin learns a little emotional deftness (or Saionji shows them both) that crack could be pried wide open.

>
>So he saves her life, because that's what you do, and then he
>completely shuts her off, because that's what he has to do to live
>with having saved someone who would be part of such a scheme. For all
>that various efforts have been made to impress a nuanced complexity
>upon him, Anakin Skywalker is really a fairly simple soul.

He really kinda is. I have a coworker like that.

>
>>Now, I can't help but think about celestial politics for a minute
>>here. So far this event involved the kidnapping of Odin Winterbeard's
>>great granddaughter. By demons who by their covenant shouldn't be able
>>to affect the mortal world directly. From where I stand, that seems
>>like two legitimate reasons Asgard can step into this matter and not
>>violate the agreement.
>
>I can't speak to this at the moment, but hang onto that, you might
>want it for reference later.
>
>>Lin Beifong's presence (with a Valkyrie insignia!)
>
>Oh good, I was hoping someone would spot that. Good old no-longer-old
>Lin. We'll be seeing her again next time.

Oh hell yes, I spotted that. I never forgot the Valkyries' description back in the day, where they were investigating (when they weren't acting like a victorious sports team) back at the end of Endgame. Lin is a badass, no doubt a lot more attractive when younger than in LoK, and she's a genuine veteran cop. Perfect Valkyrie material if you need someone to investigate things.

Hadn't thought about what she could do to a prisoner in a STONE cell, though. Yikes.

>
>>I had a crazy thought, though. Anyone ever seen the Incredibles?
>>That's a gifted little girl there, she is...
>
>If you're alluding to Jack-Jack, I'm pretty sure he's a boy. :)

I was, but I'm well aware of that. I'm saying Annabelle is a future badass baby and had a comical thought of her opening up a junior-size can of whoopass on Akio from the crib.

I am in no way expecting or even endorsing that. I just thought the image was funny.


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To listen, to suffer, to entrust unto tomorrow
In one fleeting moment, from the Land doth life flow
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31. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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>
>Hadn't thought about what she could do to a prisoner in a STONE cell,
>though. Yikes.
>

Well, among other things? She made the cell, so she knows exactly how thick those walls are.

Just a thought.

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49. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >The wedding invitation episode was a zephyr in a corner compared to
>what they have earned now. Now it's more like a thousand-pound block
>of sulfur in a lake.

Sulfur, no.

Sodium.

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56. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >Sodium.

Bah, obviously my chemistry-fu is weak. But you're right.

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46. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >>It may be silly of me, but I almost hope Leyna Tarrant ends up giving
>>up her hate instead of fighting to the end. Obviously Anakin has
>>contempt for her now, but I'm not sure if it's because she didn't care
>>if she lived or because her hate is all out of proportion to what
>>happened to her.
>
>The reasons for Anakin's reaction are touched on briefly in that same
>scene. Like her, he has something that he hates with a passion that
>defies any sense of proportion, but in Anakin's case, it's kidnappers
>and slavers - what we might call "human traffickers" in modern
>real-world parlance. He and Saionji knew when they arrived what the
>real objective of the Black Rose mission was (how, we'll get into
>later), and he assumes that Leyna did too - which makes her complicit,
>which, in his eyes, makes her lower than snakeshit, QE-effin-D.
>
>So he saves her life, because that's what you do, and then he
>completely shuts her off, because that's what he has to do to live
>with having saved someone who would be part of such a scheme. For all
>that various efforts have been made to impress a nuanced complexity
>upon him, Anakin Skywalker is really a fairly simple soul.

"So, you became a student in an organisation where that title usually translates to 'expendable mook' and the first time that organisation drew opposition you were swept aside like an expendable mook - by someone who was kind enough to refrain from killing you. And you decide that this merits abducting two infant children? Tell me, does your fine education include the word 'disproportionate'? Oh and just for reference: your part in this really isn't important enough to mention as more than a footnote when I report to the guy who spared you last time. I'm really unsure what you expected to get out of this... beyond discarded as expendable, that is."

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60. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >>I don't thnk
>>anyone ever really realized the depth of contempt those White Lotus
>>members really had for the Avatar. What I'm not sure of is why they
>>thought she needed to be a machine. A slave.
>
>In Korra's lifetime, there has always been that thread in the
>White Lotus Society's fabric, the ones who - consciously or not -
>believe that she should work for them rather than the other way
>around. It started almost as soon as she was identified as the next
>Avatar, when she was four, and for the next 13 years that... well,
>"faction" isn't really the right word, but, that faction had the upper
>hand. What started out as a poorly-thought-out imperative to protect
>and guide the much-too-young-to-be-Avatar Avatar went wrong fairly
>quickly, as the difference between guidance and control (and between
>protection and confinement) sort of got lost in the shuffle.
>
>The point is, there have always been those who have been convinced
>they know better than Korra does what she ought to be doing (and often
>with whom and for what reasons, as well). Not just in the White
>Lotus, as such - she got a bunch of that from Tenzin, too, as a
>teenager. He wised up eventually, and she thought the White Lotus had
>too. To say that she's disappointed by their recent performance is to
>undersell the point somewhat spectacularly. If you count the Tenneq
>conspiracy as a separate event, this incident marks at least the
>fourth time in her life that the White Lotus Society has failed her
>utterly and catastrophically at a critical moment.
>
>There will be consequences.

"Emily, I have an immediate opening for a press director. Interested?"

Actually, I can see where the WL would be thinking Korra was getting out of hand (to them). First there was her reaction to the wedding invite thing, which led to her getting rid of several of them (one way or another), then she brings back outsiders, and then she starts appointing her own people to WL positions (tho I'm not clear if Kate and Nyima were temp or permanent appointments). Make it worse - one of the new appointments was one of the dread outsiders, the other an air nomad kid!

They went into self-preservation mode.


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64. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >Actually, I can see where the WL would be thinking Korra was getting
>out of hand (to them). First there was her reaction to the wedding
>invite thing, which led to her getting rid of several of them (one way
>or another), then she brings back outsiders, and then she starts
>appointing her own people to WL positions (tho I'm not clear if Kate
>and Nyima were temp or permanent appointments). Make it worse - one of
>the new appointments was one of the dread outsiders, the other an air
>nomad kid!
>
>They went into self-preservation mode.
>
>
And once again proved self preservation usually doesnt.

Of COURSE you wernt
expecting it!
No One expects the
FANNISH INQUISITION!

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21. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >"We're all going to die," said Nyima with heavy mock fatalism.

HA!

>"What do you say, Utena?" she asked, sounding strangely casual. "Want to be a
>good girl and do as you're told for once in your life?"

Yeah, I don't really see that-

>and punched the man nearest to her so hard in the face that she left a
>permanent impression of her rose seal on his jaw.

Called it.

>Anubishu had decided some time ago that he hated this pathetic little world,
>and a week of hard camping on the ice had done nothing to change his mind.

That's because there's no beauty in your soul, to resonate with the stark frozen glory of the frozen land. You scumbag.

>And, Dìqiú being the sort of world it was, some greater power answered.

And, Eyrie Productions being the sort of fanfic producer it is... :D

>Anthy's eyes flashed with anger. "We're outnumbered ten to one - I will NOT
>hide in the back while other people fight. Not when I can make a difference.
>Never again!"

Another Eyrie trademark I've come to love - character development. Huzzah for Anthy! Huzzah for the Witch of Cephiro!

>"Bring it."

For some reason, my brain just dropped back to the Koopman High prom, and I'm seeing Mojo Jojo pulling a reprise of his antics with Hammer... "There is a complex behavior required of you that I am referring to as it, and I desire for you to bring that to my close and personal attention, with the assumption that I will CRUSH YOU!"

etc

>but she had accepted, on a level deeper than reasoned understanding, that he
>needed killing, and the unpleasant task had fallen to her.

Kaitlyn of Asgard and Avalon... and Texas.

>Ignoring Imanishi and Emily's questions, she closed her eyes, and when she
>re-opened them, they were filled with the light of the Avatar State.

No More Ms. Nice Avatar.

>"Choose yourself a better master than you have done before now, and perhaps
>you will regain the virtue of your armor."

Better than the little rat deserves, grumble grumble cuss mutter.

>Then, turning, he trudged aimlessly away into the tundra, abandoning the field
>of this lost battle and vanishing in a whirl of wind-blown snow.

or not. Brr!

>"I find your lack of faith disturbing,"

THAT for your punk ass.

>"Annabelle and Garnet - they're gone."


oh.

Well, goodbye. That note's a death warrant, you know...


>"I... Corwin told me. About what the thing that killed Izumi was. How it...
>won't stay dead."

Yep, damnit.

>as the last of Touga Kiryuu's soul boiled away to nothing, the blade's perfect
>zigzag hamon shimmered in the green-blue glow of the Southern Lights.

!

!!

Oh FRABJUOS DAY!

You're next, Akio... And not a moment too soon.


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23. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   LAST EDITED ON May-30-15 AT 02:36 PM (EDT)
 
That was very much worth the wait.

Scratched a few itches I'd been developing for a while now. When the Agni Kai attacked, I was disappointed that it seemed Kate wasn't among them, since it's been far too long since Utena and Kate have kicked ass together. Later events were therefore gratifying. Kate's obviously always been the more reluctant combatant, especially compared to Utena's boldness, and it's nice to see her having matured and come to terms with the essential contradiction of Katsujinkenryuu.

As to Corwin, I've been waiting for years to see him follow in his mother's footsteps like that. Shades of Futureshock right there. Again, though, I wonder about the breadth of his domain. When the Black Rose's true goal (and their success) was revealed, I couldn't help but think of Christmas Rose and his aborted oath, though he seems to have been tempered since then. Seems like he's now got a submarine, though. Some guys got it.

Izumi's death was necessary, I think, and well-executed. No way they could hold off that onslaught without casualties. Those viirdaanik have always been interesting, and I've been fascinated with that concept, so it's nice to see it explored explicitly. Of course the dragons have a word for it.

It was likewise nice to let others shine. We've seen Utena fight so many times that we know how that goes.

And so Saionji and Anakin have broken cover. I half-expected some form of repeat of Titan, with Saionji defending Anthy, but there were too many. While it's nice to have him back, I worry about Mia, now without support.

I now truly see the long reach of Akio Ohtori. It seems I've been underestimating him, but I should have known better. Not for nothing is he Duke Cocytus. I, like others, dread what he could do with Annabelle and Garnet. He's certainly bent a lot of power arranging this. The loss of some of his more notable manpower is certainly going to tax him, and I can't help but think he's not quite come out ahead. The Mashō being scattered to the winds deprives Akio of some potent warriors, but also has interesting implications for Ishiyaman geopolitics. Touga's final death means it's possible Nanami could finally wriggle out from under Akio's thumb, and the reveal of Saionji should give him pause, happening as it has now for the third time. At the least, it might shake the confidence of his less-loyal minions.

And Anubishu has fallen into the hands of the Valkyries. He doesn't seem to recognize his plight, which is odd, since he's been living in a pocket dimension off Hell, and so he's not exactly unaware of the structure of the cosmos, and as a soldier one would think he'd pay attention to briefings on the enemy.

It seems, also, that everyone's leveled up again. Not nearly as dramatically as during the timeskip between Symphony No. 3 and No. 4, but still noticeable. Outright use and reference to the Force suggest Kate and Utena have been doing some reading over the past few months.

The last wrinkle, of course, is who it was who trounced Anthy and Nyima and made off with the kids.

Thank you, Gryph et al. 'Twas a riveting read.


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25. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   I've got very little to add to this other than to echo the wonderances about what's going to happen to Nanami. I hope it's not 'something totally awful' but then again, who knows...


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32. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >The last wrinkle, of course, is who it was who trounced Anthy and
>Nyima and made off with the kids.

Looking back at that scene, do we have enough clues to work out who the splatted-against-the-wall stranger is?

As for the whole story, the only reaction I can think of is what Hammer thought to himself after being shot up in Requiem For A Lensman.

What now? We'll be here waiting for the next exciting episode.

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41. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >>The last wrinkle, of course, is who it was who trounced Anthy and
>>Nyima and made off with the kids.
>
>Looking back at that scene, do we have enough clues to work out who
>the splatted-against-the-wall stranger is?

Possibly. It depends on how familiar you are with some of the source material.


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36. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >Seems like (Corwin)'s now
>got a submarine, though. Some guys got it.
>

Well, that leads to the question of whether the submarine is a locked form, or if it can be rebuilt. Corwin wouldn't be in desperate need of a submarine, as far as I can imagine. If the nanotechnology or whatever that formed the submarine could be reformatted - say, into a starship...

>
>I now truly see the long reach of Akio Ohtori. It seems I've been
>underestimating him, but I should have known better. Not for nothing
>is he Duke Cocytus. I, like others, dread what he could do with
>Annabelle and Garnet. He's certainly bent a lot of power arranging
>this. The loss of some of his more notable manpower is certainly going
>to tax him, and I can't help but think he's not quite come out ahead.
>

The fact that he succeeded as well as he did is actually rather scary, considering that Corwin's curse should be hampering his effectiveness.

>
>It seems, also, that everyone's leveled up again. Not nearly as
>dramatically as during the timeskip between Symphony No. 3 and No. 4,
>but still noticeable. Outright use and reference to the Force suggest
>Kate and Utena have been doing some reading over the past few months.
>

It wouldn't surprise me if Utena had taken some time to talk with Shan Bastila, both to try mending fences a little more and to talk a little about the whole Force thing.

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37. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   LAST EDITED ON May-30-15 AT 05:08 PM (EDT)
 
>>Seems like (Corwin)'s now
>>got a submarine, though. Some guys got it.
>>
>
>Well, that leads to the question of whether the submarine is a locked
>form, or if it can be rebuilt. Corwin wouldn't be in desperate need
>of a submarine, as far as I can imagine. If the nanotechnology or
>whatever that formed the submarine could be reformatted - say, into a
>starship...

Fog ships basically are starships; it's just that they can also swim. Even canonically, Iona's ability to dive works by gravity manipulation, not buoyancy control and hydrodynamics, and her main propulsion appears to be some sort of plasma drive. Fog ships are submersible even when they're patterned after ships that patently weren't (e.g., Takao), they can fly, and in the manga there's at least one that can teleport interoceanic distances.

That said, their ship configurations can be altered, and internal mechanisms reconfigured. I-400-class Fog submarines were not normally equipped with supergraviton cannons, for instance; Iona cannibalized hers from the wreck of Hyūga.

Also, and on a point of order, at the moment he has a girl and seven kilotons of metallic dust (and the latter is at the bottom of an antarctic fjord, to boot), not a submarine. :)

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43. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >>>Seems like (Corwin)'s now
>>>got a submarine, though. Some guys got it.
>>>
>>
>>Well, that leads to the question of whether the submarine is a locked
>>form, or if it can be rebuilt. Corwin wouldn't be in desperate need
>>of a submarine, as far as I can imagine. If the nanotechnology or
>>whatever that formed the submarine could be reformatted - say, into a
>>starship...
>
>Fog ships basically are starships; it's just that they can also
>swim.
>

Considering that a notable percentage of the known starships are also capable of water landings, I suppose this shouldn't surprise me.

>
>That said, their ship configurations can be altered, and
>internal mechanisms reconfigured. I-400-class Fog submarines
>were not normally equipped with supergraviton cannons, for instance;
>Iona cannibalized hers from the wreck of Hyūga.
>
>Also, and on a point of order, at the moment he has a girl and seven
>kilotons of metallic dust (and the latter is at the bottom of an
>antarctic fjord, to boot), not a submarine. :)
>

True. I just wasn't sure whether the metallic dust would only re-form into a submarine or not.

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44. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >>Also, and on a point of order, at the moment he has a girl and seven
>>kilotons of metallic dust (and the latter is at the bottom of an
>>antarctic fjord, to boot), not a submarine. :)
>>
>True. I just wasn't sure whether the metallic dust would only re-form
>into a submarine or not.

At this point, it's not known. No one ever got a chance to examine how a Fog ship actually worked back during the War; as such, how their substance is configured is, so far, a complete mystery. I-401 herself may know the answer, but then again, she might not; she's a submarine, not an engineer. Either way, it's going to take some pretty significant investigating before Corwin knows how her systems work, and whether he (or she, or anyone) can make major adjustments to her vessel configuration.

That said, I kind of doubt he would make really wholesale mods, like converting her into a Corellian blockade runner or something. Submarines are cool.

Another thing that isn't known, while we're talking about them, is whether that particular metallic dust can actually be reactivated, or if it'll have to be replaced somehow. Given how difficult and hazardous turning it off was, just turning it back on with Godly Magic is probably not on.

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47. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >At this point, it's not known. No one ever got a chance to examine
>how a Fog ship actually worked back during the War; as such, how their
>substance is configured is, so far, a complete mystery. I-401
>herself may know the answer, but then again, she might not; she's a
>submarine, not an engineer.

Now there's an application of the Centipede's Dilemma that never occurred to me. Although I think I remember coming across at least one mention of one ship being able to assimilate and use raw material from another ship. I wonder, would that feel to the Mental Model as if she's wearing someone else's clothes, or having bits of her anatomy surgically swapped out for someone else's?

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51. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   Iona and Takao end up fusing (...spoiler, I guess?) near the end of the Arpeggio anime after Iona takes critical damage and Gunzo is nearly killed. Takao sacrifices her body, and the Ars Nova is born. This is the biggest example (at least on the good guys' side), but I'm pretty sure it happens a few other times throughout.


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52. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   From the manga, Fog ships are made up of a complex nanite superstructure. The nanites can reform into a ship easily enough... as long as they are still 'alive'. In fact, OTHER Fog ships have shown to be able to use the broken-up bits of nanoclusters to repair themselves or add more functionality (that's part of how Iona gained her new cannon) by absorbing them into themselves. As long as their core is intact, everything else is just window dressing. Even their physical form is irrelevant as long as that core is intact. But the catch is, nobody really knows how LONG the nanites can survive without power - it is never clearly defined in the manga. We know several months is beyond them, but not where the cutoff deadline is.

That said, the real answer is 'Do the writers want them reactivated as part of making a great story?' Gotta love pseudoscience for such things.


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27. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   A couple of quick comments from my phone:

Touga's death: couldn't have happened to a nicer guy :)

Annabelle and Garnet being abducted: something in that note must be forcing Corwin to not react, otherwise I can't see him not assembling a strike team to obliterate Oriphos meeting with his oath to Mathilde the Red... And in any event, Akio is already a cosmic afterthought, even if he doesn't know it yet...

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30. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   Well, at the present moment he's currently grappling with being hit with a hammer inscribed "You have failed your family in the most complete way possible."

He's gonna need a little time to recover from that.

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34. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >Well, at the present moment he's currently grappling with being hit
>with a hammer inscribed "You have failed your family in the most
>complete way possible."
>
>He's gonna need a little time to recover from that.

I was gonna say, let the man breathe a little. He doesn't buy into the complete package of the Traditional Gender Roles, but he has pretty conventional views in re the responsibilities of fatherhood, and he has (in his own estimation) blown the job pretty comprehensively. What you're seeing in that last scene he's in is his initial reaction.

We had a lot of trouble with this one - I may get into more of the why and hows of that later on - but one thing that happened was this: When we were plotting this thing out, one of the things I wanted to avoid doing was ending with the big negative shock - that kind of thing often strikes me as kind of a narrative cheap trick - but at the same time, I realized as construction went on that I couldn't go too deep into the reactions and responses before it started to feel a little like padding. The original draft ran into the middle of the next day, when people started to get over the shock and grief and start picking up the rubble, and it just felt weird that way. I split the difference with the version that finally saw release.

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48. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   So does that mean that the next installment already has a significant portion written?

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50. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >So does that mean that the next installment already has a significant
>portion written?

*collapses in his chair, laughing hysterically, tears from his eyes*

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53. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   We're getting some pretty good blueprints going. We know what the house is gonna look like, and the work we did that was rolled over accounts for a pretty nice foundation that we'll be working from - but we still gotta build the rest of the house.

Don't be shocked if we dip into TFLF, OWAW, and maybe even a few other dormant works for a little bit to recharge our mojo before charging down the next major release. :)

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54. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >Don't be shocked if we dip into TFLF, OWAW, and maybe even a few other
>dormant works for a little bit to recharge our mojo before charging
>down the next major release. :)

After putting the timing (mostly) together, I figured that it might be necessary to dip into TFLF, just to get the blocking done right.

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62. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   I pretty much expected that answer, but I had to ask any way.

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61. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   >We had a lot of trouble with this one - I may get into more of the why
>and hows of that later on - but one thing that happened was this: When
>we were plotting this thing out, one of the things I wanted to avoid
>doing was ending with the big negative shock - that kind of
>thing often strikes me as kind of a narrative cheap trick - but at the
>same time, I realized as construction went on that I couldn't go
>too deep into the reactions and responses before it started to
>feel a little like padding. The original draft ran into the middle of
>the next day, when people started to get over the shock and grief and
>start picking up the rubble, and it just felt weird that way. I split
>the difference with the version that finally saw release.

Short version - you did "The Empire Strikes Back"-style ending. That's ok.

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57. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   WOOF!!! Did someone get the license number of that Mack truck? You did? O, P, R, I, M, E? Feels about right...

Well, shoot, even I know the good guys cant win EVERY battle, or there is no dynamic tension, et cetera and so on. and yet, this tactical victory that turned out to be a strategic defeat, clearly the opening battle of this campaign, still left me feeling like I tangled with said mack from above.

Moving right along, though...

Emily's an Earthbender? where did that come from? were you deliberately hiding it, or was I just clueless and overlooked hints you'd already thrown out?

The house... DAAAAANG. Sounds impressive, but I'm still having trouble visualizing it. doubt we're lucky enough there is a reference image for it anywhere? I was about to inquire about using The Sims, as you had in the past, but I dont think what I read is reproducable that way, at least not in the version I have/had (2, but with most of the offical add ons and a few not so official)

> "Rejoice, O partygoers," declared Corwin. "For we bring you meat! And >veggies," he added, as if that were less important.

well, DUH. anyone who gets reguarly taped for bbq duty (such as myself) knows that basic factiod. Its all about massive hunks of flame seared dead animal. Greens are only around because we're not allowed to have just seared dead animal.

> "My ancestors would say that putting a building here is disrespectful to the > beauty of this landscape," Garnet mused in a thoughtful tone, then went on
> matter-of-factly, "From this I can only conclude that my ancestors were
> idiots, because damn, yo."

from the mouths of hatchlings...

> "Sorry. I don't mean to brag, but it's hard not to get excited about
> my gear."

your forgiven. even though you may have a point about a seemingly unexploited niche; i've still found that the right gear makes all the difference. Certainly, the best gear means it will be that much longer before you have any real competition at least.

Not surprising that Annabelle can turn even the mighty Thor to goo in under 10 seconds. I mean, thats what babies DO, and we know she's exceptional just from who her parents are!

> He got only the most fleeting glimpse of her, just enough to get an
> impression rather than an actual image: pale skin, light-colored hair, a
> bulky jacket...

For the record, even though it really is a bit to early, I was utterly convinced this was Rei, who gets her CMOA later on in Blades; especially when I read the text description of the shield.

> Based on the thickness of the tokens and the height of the peg, there would
> be just barely room on it for all ten of the required hits, and the
> accumulation of misses at the bottom would eat up what little reserve there
> was.

and probably kept at no more than just that much clear, for just that reason.

I guess it might be just me, but I'd have had Corwin take the 'money' shot, then notice the commotion and instantly take off with the gang; totally not noticing that he had, in fact, sunk the 10th until the barker catches up with him later. totally authorial design decision, however.

I see Temzin has taught Korra from the Myagi school. If best defense no be there, so much better to take enemy firepower and use it on him!

Corwin as earthbender flows so naturally I'm certain that you'd already exposed us to it and I've just forgotten when/where; as are his actions here typical Corwin (no additional whuparse needs opened, check what else needs doing that he'd be optimal for)

Other bits... Kaitlin realising what texans have allegedly know for decades. some men just need killing.

just about it for now. nap not calling my name but screaming it through a bullhorn...

Of COURSE you wernt
expecting it!
No One expects the
FANNISH INQUISITION!

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58. "RE: (OOTR15) M5 Taken by Storm"
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   Two quick answers to some of your questions:

Emily A) gave the EB salute to Corwin back at the Velvet Palanquin and B) confirmed that she was a bender back when she had her interview / explanations with Korra and the trinity.

Corwin revealed that his Rune Knight abilities allowed for training in Earthbending back in Try, Try Again.

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