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14. "RE: RCFR v1: The Human Experience"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-12-18 AT 02:36 AM (EDT)
 
>>Even with the tools and capabilities at her disposal, though, it was going to take a while to dig a hole that big
>
>When I was reading this, I wondered just how exactly Akashi, or
>-anyone-, would do it without months and a fleet of construction
>equipment.

Well, she's got the latter. Anyway, "dig" is really not quite the right word; it's more a matter of mass conversion. All of that rock and earth that's being removed is either being converted into the materials needed to construct the facility, or converted into nanomaterial to support Fleet operations. It's a surprisingly quick process once you've got the machinery set up.

>>It was in his stateroom aboard that vessel, therefore, that Admiral Corwin Ravenhair found himself being shaken gently awake.
>
>>"Admiral?"
>
>It's not immediately obvious from the way the story is written, but
>Utena's here, too. I think the Admiral needs to institute a 'knock
>first' rule if he and Utena/Anthy are going to spending any more time
>aboard ship...

Oh, no worries. Unlike most Japanese protagonists, Utena knows how to lock a door when the occasion suggests it. :)

(I don't know if it's occurred to her yet that Iona can see everything that happens anywhere aboard the boat? But maybe it hasn't been a consideration so far. ... Or maybe that's why Iona suddenly had a whole bunch of diagnostics to do rather than interact with her directly, since she'd just reported to Corwin that everything checked out fine like an hour before. It's hard to tell what Iona's thinking sometimes. :)

>Leonne made it clear in Cantata what she saw in VADM Lockwood,
>but Nagato was her real CO. Not sure why Leonne would have a model of
>her CO.

She used to build ship models during downtime when she was on active duty. She gave most of them away to shipmates—for her, the building process was the fun part—but she could never quite bring herself to part with Nagato. She probably couldn't even really articulate why not, if you asked.

It only occurred to me after I published the story that she should also have had a model of USS Amberjack (SSF-2781), the Skate-class fusion-powered attack submarine that was her last command before she retired from the Navy.

>I'm surprised Corwin didn't make the immediate connection--Tenryu's
>devil horns and Tatsuta's halo.

It'll occur to him one day. He still thinks Tenryū's things are supposed to be some kind of bat ears. Maybe radar antennae.

>>Shimakaze, on the other hand, was dressed... arrestingly strangely
>
>Given how strange all the other Mental Models are dressed, I'm not
>sure why this stood out, ridiculously risque though it is.

Well, considering the way the rest of his fleet tends to dress, the only other one whose outfit is really odd is Yamato. Most of the others are just wearing school uniforms, except Kaga, and Corwin's seen plenty of modified martial-arts getups in his life, so that doesn't even really register.

>The whole
>point is the ladies don't have a good grasp of human fashion. (Of
>course, the meta reason is Kancolle is much more fanservicey
>than Arpeggio ever was.)

I don't know how you can say that after the extended god damn, y'all, have you seen what Haruna's hiding under that coat? scene, or the so we're all agreed that Takao's got the stern of the year, right? beach scene. :)

>>So now she's terrified. Looking for somewhere to hide. Waiting for the other shoe to drop
>
>Ohhhhhh dear. Like I said in my earlier post, I didn't think it was
>like -that- for her.

As Tatsuta notes, it wasn't quite, but it was bad enough.

>>Or, rather, it took Kongō that long, with musical accompaniment
>
>Carnival da yo!

Welcome to the carnival, welcome to the party, welcome to the edge of your seat.

>>Léonne liked coffee, and appeared to make it using a process that involved salt
>
>*chokegaspwheeze* SALT?!

I've heard tell it's a Navy thing? Supposedly cuts the bitterness; something to do with ions. I couldn't tell you first-hand, I can't with coffee at all.

>>Standing here amid the hastily abandoned fragments of a human life—even a counterfeit one
>
>The idea that Leonne's human life was counterfeit is arguable at best.

Well, sure, but this is Kongō's train of thought, not mine.

>>Kongō had no idea what to do. Interacting with ordinary civilians was not part of the mission parameters she had been told to expect
>
>And this while they were being sent undercover into a human society to
>track down a person's house? Whoever briefed Kongo and Maya was an
>imbecile.

"Told to expect" notwithstanding, I'm not 100% sure anyone briefed them, at least for this specific task. Kongō may have just decided to check out this angle on her own recognizance. At which point, well, she didn't expect to have to talk to anyone, once she'd determined from the public record that "Léonne Poisson" lived alone.

She may not have thought the matter through.

>>Especially since he was an enlisted sailor. Senior Chief Petty Officer Captain Cook Kealoha, what a mouthful. And he wasn't a cook, either!
>
>I'm almost afraid to ask what his rating actually was.

Nothing too esoteric. He was a reactor operator, mostly in submarines.

His name commemorates Captain James Cook FRS RN (1728-1779), the first European to make diplomatic contact with Hawai'i, in 1778... and the first, a year later, to be killed in the course of committing a catastrophic diplomatic blunder in Hawai'i. Oops. Oh well, can't win 'em all.

>>To hear you and her describe it, it sounds like a nice place. Peaceful. Not..." She made a vague gesture. "Our usual kind of crazy
>
>Can I just say I love how they're resigned to insanity being their lot
>in life? I love how matter of fact they are about it.

:) "My life didn't stay normal, because it's my life and it can't."

>>"Hmm. That's not such a crazy idea," said Corwin thoughtfully. "It's a seaport town, so they wouldn't be in a completely alien environment, but they'd be away from the fleet, the routine of station life... me...
>
>Not sure how I feel about this. I work in a place where sailors and
>civvies interact all the time, and it's not a big deal. But I know
>some enlisted, particularly people who've been deployed, have a hard
>time adjusting to civilian life.

Well, keep in mind that in this particular case he's talking specifically about the ones who just came from Earthfleet, with all that that entailed; the others never lived among humans at all, so they'd be completely lost in such an environment, but on the other hand, they've never learned to equate the company of humans in a fleet hierarchy setting with unpleasantness the way Tatsuta, Yūdachi, and especially Shimakaze have.

Maybe Corwin's not putting it as well as he could, since he's kind of thinking it through out loud, but what he's really hoping is that by setting them entirely outside the structure of the fleet's hierarchy—away from both flag officers and any sort of command ship, even one as benignly disposed as Yamato—he can give them a chance to regroup and sever some of those unpleasant associations, before they undertake the task of integrating into a new fleet with different (and hopefully better) rules. If they learn in the process that humans aren't necessarily a Bad Thing, so much the better.

The others will have opportunities to go ashore too, but there are things to be done first, and the need is not so urgent with the ones who've never done it before. (And Léonne is completely squared away on that front, anyway.)

>>With a flicker of violet light, the long-shanked glaive she favored as a melee weapon appeared in her hands; she regarded its edge thoughtfully
>
>Oh, Tatsuta, you're just like your sister. Until the 'thoughtfully'
>part.

I don't hold Tenryū to be quite as uncool as some fan artists—in my interpretation, she's at least partly making fun of herself, and knows she isn't as intimidating as she appears to want to be. (Hence the scene in Cantata wherein she wryly acknowledges that Kongō has no real reason to be scared of her—but of her entire squadron, half of whose location is not yet known to the enemy, plus at least one submarine? Yeah. Shoe's on the other foot now. :)

Meanwhile, Tatsuta is. As intimidating as Tenryū thinks Tenryū is, I mean. :)

(That said, and to be fair, we haven't yet seen Tenryū at the top of her game. She was a bit hampered in Operation AF by the need to mind Kaga's flank, lacking the speed to undertake wide maneuvers and then race quickly back to position like the Special Type destroyers could. She was doing a bang-up job as a torpedo squadron leader, but being a torpedo squadron leader isn't necessarily glamorous.)

>>What was more, she'd made a career serving in the humans' armed forces. Serving aboard ship, no less, which struck Kongō as a fantastically perverse thing for a Mental Model of the Fog to do.
>
>Yes! I think Leonne did it partly just to -be- perverse, quietly
>laughing every time humans made a mistake she wouldn't have. I think
>she'd have had a blast.

One of the things I'm really pleased with in this piece is how much Léonne is a main character in it, despite never appearing at all. There's so much in here, either expressed or implied, about her; and putting it there required (or at least caused :) me to develop so much more about her history that didn't make it onto the screen this time. She really came to life in the process, despite spending the entire actual story racked out in Kiska Harbor. :)

>I don't know nearly as much about
>Kancolle, so I can't comment, but I'm just as well pleased to
>take their interesting characters and make them Fog. There's an
>inherent silliness to Kancolle that I have a hard time
>ignoring.

Well, the thing about Kancolle (and I think this has come up before) is that it doesn't really have a canon. The game is very light on its own lore, and the various manga, semi- and entirely-un-official dōjinshi, and the anime all have different takes on what's really going on. It leaves a lot of latitude for creative exploration. Sort of like Vocaloid in that respect—we know what the characters look like and we have clues to their personalities, but everything else is open to development.

>>The first thing she noticed was Clemson's ever-present aide. Kongō had wondered, seeing him alone out in the hallway, where she was, since she had never once seen him without her. She knew nothing about the woman
>
>Color me intrigued. Black Omega operative? EoJ deep undercover
>operative? Inquiring minds want to know.
>
>>As he spoke, Kongō realized that there was another human figure walking toward them from the direction of the strange hybrid ship's gangway. As it approached, it resolved into the shape of a teenage girl... of a sort
>
>Holy CRAP. Question: Should I be thinking 'Kancolle Abyssal'
>here, or 'Night of the Living Dead'? I didn't see anything like the
>name Buran in the list of Abyssal ship classes, but that might mean
>nothing.

There are hints to both of the above in the last bit of the credits after the stinger scene, but beyond them I'll say this much:

1) Captain Clemson's aide is not either of those two things.
2) Again, not really either (but sort of closer to the latter). Buran is a variation on Fubuki (their names mean the same thing, "snowstorm"), but she is not meant to be the Abyssal version of same who appears in some Kancolle media.

We'll learn more about Buran in RCFR v2. Capt. Clemson's aide may take a little longer. :)

Thanks for your notes! This was fun.

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