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Gryphon
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"We had a fleet aircraft carrier, a super-heavy battleship, three cruisers, six destroyers, three submarines, and a repair ship. Not that we needed all of that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious warship collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can." --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Peter Eng
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2. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-18 AT 04:16 AM (EDT) "We think this method will provide an equivalent capability for fleet girls."Thought so! "Two sources of Poi in the galaxy?" I think that approaches weaponized...something. I'm not sure exactly what. "They don't need donations." ...must stop giggling... "That's a different program," Tenryū said piously... Well, it looks like Utena is getting used to having an unexpected fleet. Without further ado, Korra was surrounded and swept off by a swarm of kanmusu from Dìqiú... Should have brought The Hat. "It's only temporary," I know exactly what that sounds like. "Who sank and made you flagship?" ...giggling again... This is a fun read. Not as busy as the previous installment, but I suspect that it's bridging the gap between crazy times. Not that it doesn't have its own touches of chaos, it's just the kind of chaos that makes one laugh. Peter Eng -- Insert humorous comment here. |
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Verbena
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Sep-15-18, 09:29 AM (EDT) |
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4. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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This was a lot of fun! I'm going to do a proper post when I have time, sometime this weekend. But for now... >Now I want Reckless to appear, again. Bully some Fog girls, just so >they won't lose the edge. Hear the history and the proposal. Say "That >is not dead which can eternal lie", reveal that crazy desperate Brits >found and crammed into her Weird Science body something like Creation >Engine, so she can rebuild her body when she wants to, then go, >surface like blackest nightmare back on Earth and go terrorize some EA >fleets and Kongou group in particular. > >Then go and be Dark Stig's Shipgirl Sister with Top Gear Crew.
I admit, I hadn't thought of this and I really, REALLY should have. But no one knows what actually happened to the Reckless. If the EA can locate her remains on Earth and give her the Buran treatment... ------ Fearless creatures, we all learn to fight the Reaper Can't defeat Her, so instead I'll have to be Her |
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Gryphon
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Sep-17-18, 06:48 PM (EDT) |
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14. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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>I admit, I hadn't thought of this and I really, REALLY should have. >But no one knows what actually happened to the Reckless. If the >EA can locate her remains on Earth and give her the Buran >treatment... There's not much of anything to locate. Part of the reason why so little was known about the constitution of Fog ships, even after the end of the war, was because on the very rare occasions when Earth's forces managed to kill one, it took such overwhelming force to do it that there was never anything worth examining left afterward. H.M. Ministry of Defence were well aware of that when they planned their contingency measure should Reckless go rogue. We'll be seeing her again, have no fear. Just... not like that. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Tabasco
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Sep-15-18, 01:24 PM (EDT) |
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5. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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I'm not going to lie, I didn't expect this plotline to be picked up again and I've rarely been so happy to be completely wrong. The LoK and K-on stuff was ok, but generally Not My Jam. I liked the little touches in this chapter, like the shout out to other fics in the fandom such as Borie's streaking tendencies and Jersey in general. She makes a great Sergeant at Arms. I'm clearly missing something important about the Abducted by Carriers scene, isn't the original Kaga already present and accounted for in Valhalla? Were the others that eager for the two to meet? The uproar over her and Yamato seems odd given how the assembly took the lighter ships mostly in stride. -------------------- Space for Rent |
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pjmoyer
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Sep-15-18, 01:40 PM (EDT) |
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6. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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>I liked the little touches in this chapter, like the shout out to >other fics in the fandom such as Borie's streaking tendencies and >Jersey in general. She makes a great Sergeant at Arms. That’s primarily my contribution, because I read more KanColle fics than Gryph does. >I'm clearly missing something important about the Abducted by Carriers >scene, isn't the original Kaga already present and accounted for in >Valhalla? Well, to quote the author of “The Last Angel”, [ FRAGMENT DELETED ] > Were the others that eager for the two to meet? The uproar >over her and Yamato seems odd given how the assembly took the lighter >ships mostly in stride. Well, Carrier and Battleship missing-companion issues tend to be felt and expressed more... extremely than those of cruisers and destroyers. After all, since when have battleships ever been subtle? —- Philip
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Peter Eng
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Sep-15-18, 08:38 PM (EDT) |
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9. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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>It occurred to me to wonder, since it's revealed that spacecraft as >well as seacraft can end up personified... > >Does the SDF-17 have a shipgirl? My completely ridiculous supposition: Any ships with an ACI are unlikely to have a shipgirl. The human tendency to personify the inanimate creates shipgirls by long-term exposure to Spengler flux from the crew. Larger ships have larger crews, so they are more likely to reach the critical point that generates a shipgirl. The relative age of a shipgirl is based on when they reached that critical point, and when they reached end of mortal existence. Thus, a destroyer will tend to produce a younger shipgirl if it has one at all, and carriers and battleships generally produce older shipgirls. A ship with an ACI already has a personality, and the crew will tend to focus on that, rather than personifying the ship. Peter Eng -- Insert humorous comment here. |
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Gryphon
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Sep-17-18, 06:29 PM (EDT) |
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12. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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>On the Wayward Son note, I'm curious why no one made a sword from it's >remains, with short sword from Executioner. In Exile it would have >been powerful symbol of revenge. Now? Of duty. That's an interesting idea that never occurred to me. The second part wouldn't be possible—Executioner was vaporized, there's no wreck—and as for the first, it's probably because the wreck and its vicinity are so hazardous. (It's also an open question whether metal salvaged from said wreck could ever be decontaminated sufficiently to be even vaguely safe, given that it's spent the last century-plus marinating in uncontained Weird Science Energies. That might make for a really interesting sword? But it also might give whoever carries it cancer, which is... less awesome.) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Offsides
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Feb-08-19, 01:25 PM (EDT) |
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28. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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>Well, Vengeance has a shipguy (I assume Klingon kanmusu, like >their ships, are male). Is he a Klingon wet-navy ship? That raises the question, what about Russian ships. IIRC, at least some of them are referred to as "he" and not "she"... Offsides [...] in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles. -- David Ben Gurion EPU RCW #π #include <stdsig.h> |
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Gryphon
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Feb-08-19, 01:36 PM (EDT) |
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29. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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>>Well, Vengeance has a shipguy (I assume Klingon kanmusu, like >>their ships, are male). Is he a Klingon wet-navy ship? > >That raises the question, what about Russian ships. IIRC, at least >some of them are referred to as "he" and not "she"... There are a few Soviet ships (and a number of German ships that are outright named after men) in Kancolle; all are women—although the fact that the German destroyers Z1 Leberecht Maaß and Z3 Max Schultz sometimes get mistaken for crossdressing boys is a running gag in fan works. It appears not to be an exact science. :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Offsides
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Feb-11-19, 10:09 AM (EDT) |
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30. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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>It appears not to be an exact science. :) My guess is that's because it's not science, it's SCIENCE! :P Offsides [...] in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles. -- David Ben Gurion EPU RCW #π #include <stdsig.h> |
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Droken
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Sep-15-18, 07:57 PM (EDT) |
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8. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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So that was fantastic. Corwin just bein' Corwin, and letting everyone else around him just be as they're going to be. The Kantai Musume are, individually and in aggregate, splendid. I've seriously enjoyed every story they've been involved in, and their specific involvement -in- those stories immensely; so getting to see essentially an entire auditorium of them just doing their thing was a ton of fun. Also, nicely done, integrating Rhythm of the Night into this one more directly. There have been a few of those at this point, and personally I think they've all flowed in well. I was also waiting throughout most of the piece to see if Reckless had gotten into port ahead of the White Rose Fleet's arrival, but couldn't stop myself reading long enough to go check the timestamps on that mini to see when Warspite reached her. In either case, -that- will be a most interesting meeting for sure... And lastly, the bits of mention from Utena's trip to the Northern Air Temple do not sound good...Going to be a hard time for everyone of course, but for Anthy... All in all, spectacularly well done, looking forward to the next entry so very much. -Droken "If at first you don't succeed, bull- riding is not for you." |
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Sofaspud
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Sep-18-18, 05:28 PM (EDT) |
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17. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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Dammit, I'm sick all weekend and don't bother checking up on things and THIS drops? Timing, I has it. Since I'm at work at the moment I'll forego a lengthy reply, but I'll be coming back later. For now, though, just know that I've got a S.E.G. of epic proportions splitting my face. --sofaspud -- |
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Gryphon
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Oct-11-18, 05:23 PM (EDT) |
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19. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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>Ok, so, the ladies in kyūdō are fairly obviously carriers >themselves, which would then generally explain the reaction to Kaga. >But, who are the two with the extra reactions? Because it wasn't >obvious to me. > >Or will that be explained in future installments? It will, but it's not meant to be obscure here—if this were an illustrated medium and you were familiar with the characters' designs, it would be obvious who they are—so I'll just tell you: the one with twintails is Zuikaku, and the other is Akagi. As to why they reacted the way they did, well, we'll get to that. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Verbena
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Jan-14-19, 09:46 PM (EDT) |
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23. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-19 AT 10:07 PM (EST) Hilariously, I promised to do this by the weekend.In September. Clearly, my customer is getting their pizza for free. But I've reread this series several times in the last month, so when I saw we were in a bit of a lull now, I went back through posts, remembered what I said, and here we go. they had been hoping that the One-Hit Wonder, of all ships, would offload something a bit more dramatic. I'm sure some of them were looking for the machine guns hidden behind the headlights. That's not the same Nagato as the one the Fog ships remember More on this later, but I was reading all of these Fog-kanmusu interactions with bated breath. I'm very much interested in the actual relationship between them, and the Nagato connection is even more vague than most. Why was there also a Fog Nagato...with a similar personality? Before the Ragnarök, the honored spirits of warships sunk in battle did manifest in Valhalla We had a Mini-Story on this, of course, so I won't bother to speculate too much here. I haven't read that in a while. But we know Loki was rather busy during all of this doing other things. Makes me wonder if it wasn't long lost Njord or something. At any rate, explanation or no, there they were, so Mom and Njörd set up a fleet branch ...Wait. I could have sworn there was a story some time ago where it was mentioned Njord left for parts unknown after his wife left him or cheated on him or somesuch. Did I forget something important? old ladies of the Royal Navy This is a topic I meant to ask about some time ago. Some kanmusu appear young, some old, and it's clearly not related to actual years in service or date of creation, since some spacefaring species would make Earth kanmusu of any era positively newborn by comparison. Is it residual self-image? ISTR there was some factor that determined how old someone looks in Valhalla when they arrive, but I can't remember the details, and am not sure if it applies to kanmusu in any event. triad of Minbari wet-navy cruisers There's a mention elsewhere in this thread about the suitability of spaceships to have kanmusu, and I admit I'm not sure what the difference would be. Perhaps how much emotion a crew invests in its ship? The unique experiences, the wear and tear, that creates a distinct enough ship to have a unique personality form? Not sure. Yes! I just finished baking the scones, dess! The food creation thing is already explained (and very believably!), but I just wanted to note here that they're scarfing down scones, not replenishing fuel bunkers, as the Fog ships put it. It's an interesting cultural difference. Midway and Growler, who had attempted Return Did these two ever get rescued? (Admiral Ravenhair?)" Sendai murmured. "(Since when? Admiral of what?) Hopefully by the time this is over the kanmusu will feel as though he's earned this title. Clearly, right now it's not a point in his favor. But the other woman accompanying the Æs was an unknown This was a good touch, subtly pointing out kanmusu would naturally assume women they see to be other kanmusu in this setting. Not even sure all the Diqiu ships would automatically recognize her. the main reason Earthforce was so bent on seizing the base was what that fleet was left behind to protect Did we ever get any indication from Kongo that she, or Earthforce, knew about the Union Cores specifically? Or is it possible they only knew about the base and its defending ships themselves? They're joined by the Shiratsuyu-class destroyer Yūdachi, and—" A shocked "P-poi?! And here's the second possible Fog-kanmusu circumstance. Two virtually identical ships, one Fog, one kanmusu. They even both use 'poi'. Oh my," Jintsū murmured, her eyes wide and cheeks pink at the destroyer’s thigh-high striped stockings and lack of a significant skirt. I always thought the kanmusu reaction to Shimakaze's outfit was a little overblown here. Is it really worse than some of the other kanmusu outfits out there? Furthermore, they have no way of knowing it wasn't her choice until a moment later, when Corwin explains the circumstances. Compared to, say, Iku's behavior, I'm not sure her outfit would be that bad. Maya points this out in the same scene. two light cruisers of the Tenryū class, Tenryū and Tatsuta Not sure if this was asked elsewhere, but is it within Akashi's power to uprate Tenryu and Tatsuta's specs? our capital ships: fleet aircraft carrier Kaga and the battleship Yamato. Here's the third circumstance. Kaga and Yamato seem to have been two of the kanmusu that simply didn't show up when the other kanmusu did. As I pointed out elsewhere...if there is one circumstance under which we might actually find out the origins of the Fog, I think it's this one. Was it luck? Did they get diverted by who created the kanmusu to begin with? It might also be Nagato's circumstance, depending on what happened with her. Makes you wonder what's up with the other Fog vessels, and if there's supposed to be kanmusu for them as well. the Indestructible Battleship Kongō had been struck utterly speechless. And here's the final circumstance. Two ships with the same name and history, but different looks and personalities. I think there was a mention of the Maya as well, which means both Fog ships have this same problem. I can't -wait- for the explanation for this one. =) ... To borrow one of Maya's own phrases, the latter gave her the creeps. Fubuki/Buran might be the most significant development, as far as Asgard goes. Whatever the provenance of the Fleet of Fog, you have plain mundane Earth people doing things that are severely affecting an einherjar in Valhalla. Once Fubuki's problems become plainly known, this could draw a LOT of high level attention. The downside is that I have RSS feeds in my head. Poor Blue Ridge. =) That WOULD suck. Korra was surrounded and swept off by a swarm of kanmusu This was a hilarious scene! My compliments to the word wrangler. =) Akashi had a Future Industries GearPhone V she'd acquired I was wondering about this. Akashi, especially, should be able to buy a piece of tech, reverse engineer it, and run it more efficiently on her own hardware. I wonder if she could do that with a game and not cheat at it? What was more, Kaga saw that they were all wearing equipment of some kind I have a feeling we'll hear more about this later, but why would the kanmusu choose to do things this way? And if it is a choice, can they go back to just being full size ships, like Fog vessels, or the Reckless, for that matter? Kaga tilted her head and stared back, a look gathering on her face that combined puzzlement, recognition, and a further layer of puzzlement at the recognition. And here it is. The first real, solid proof that there's a connection between the Fog and the kanmusu. Kaga having a similar outfit was strong but circumstantial. Her -remembering Akagi- is critical. I'd love to be a fly on the wall (or a reader in the omniscient?) in the ensuing conversation. was unmistakably a cardboard packing box This entire scene was comedy gold as well. I was ROFL'ing for a while! Poor Murakumo. Anyway! Really, REALLY late posts notwithstanding, I still love this series as much as I did when this was just released. I await the next installment on the edge of my seat.
------ Fearless creatures, we all learn to fight the Reaper Can't defeat Her, so instead I'll have to be Her |
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Gryphon
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Jan-14-19, 11:20 PM (EDT) |
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24. "RE: RFCR v2: Open for Business"
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>Clearly, my customer is getting their pizza for free. But I've reread >this series several times in the last month, so when I saw we were in >a bit of a lull now, I went back through posts, remembered what I >said, and here we go. Yeah, sorry about that. It's amazing what a disruption moving-without-moving can be. >At any rate, explanation or no, there they were, so Mom and Njörd set >up a fleet branch > ...Wait. I could have sworn there was a story some time ago where >it was mentioned Njord left for parts unknown after his wife left him >or cheated on him or somesuch. Did I forget something important? That's not Njörd you're thinking of, it's Oðr, Freyja's husband. He decamped after the incident with the dwarves and the golden necklace, and hasn't been seen since. >old ladies of the Royal Navy > This is a topic I meant to ask about some time ago. Some kanmusu >appear young, some old, and it's clearly not related to actual years >in service or date of creation, since some spacefaring species would >make Earth kanmusu of any era positively newborn by comparison. Is it >residual self-image? It seems to be, although it's worth pointing out that the label "old ladies" (particularly with the semi-omniscient narrator looking over Naka's shoulder) doesn't necessarily mean they're literally old ladies. I mean, Warspite is called "the Old Lady", but in practice she certainly doesn't look the part. It seems to be partially related to what sort of ship they are—capital ships (battleships and fleet aircraft carriers) usually look like grown women, while the majority of cruisers and light carriers are in that college/late-high-school vicinity, and most destroyers look to be in early high school or middle school. There are exceptions to all the tendencies, though, and there doesn't seem to be a strong pattern behind it. (Submarines are all over the map, athough again, Cold War missile submarines tend to seem more mature than, say, WWII-era diesel-electric fleet boats. Some theorize this is because SSBNs, as strategic weapons, were capital ships in their era.) >Yes! I just finished baking the scones, dess! > The food creation thing is already explained (and very >believably!), but I just wanted to note here that they're scarfing >down scones, not replenishing fuel bunkers, as the Fog ships put it. >It's an interesting cultural difference. Food is very important to Valhallan kanmusu culture—although that is probably as much to do with the Valhalla part as the kanmusu part. :) >Midway and Growler, who had attempted Return > Did these two ever get rescued? Not so far. >But the other woman accompanying the Æs was an unknown > This was a good touch, subtly pointing out kanmusu would >naturally assume women they see to be other kanmusu in this setting. >Not even sure all the Diqiu ships would automatically recognize her. The ones from within her lifetime do; the others, it depends on how much attention they've paid to developments back home. >the main reason Earthforce was so bent on seizing the base was what >that fleet was left behind to protect > Did we ever get any indication from Kongo that she, or >Earthforce, knew about the Union Cores specifically? Or is it possible >they only knew about the base and its defending ships themselves? I seem to recall alluding to it in the epilogue to Cantata, where she's surveying what's left of Midway Anchorage and very annoyed about what she hasn't found there. >Oh my," Jintsū murmured, her eyes wide and cheeks pink at the >destroyer’s thigh-high striped stockings and lack of a significant >skirt. > I always thought the kanmusu reaction to Shimakaze's outfit was a >little overblown here. Is it really worse than some of the other >kanmusu outfits out there? Yeah... yeah, it really kind of is. I mean, there are others who wear similar tops, but none of them that I can think of is rocking a thong and a pleated belt. Even Maya and Chōkai have proper miniskirts. The only other Kancolle character I can think of offhand whose costume approaches Shimakaze's in that respect is Musashi's pre-Kai outfit (which was designed by the same artist), and even that got toned way back for her first remodel. >two light cruisers of the Tenryū class, Tenryū and Tatsuta > Not sure if this was asked elsewhere, but is it within Akashi's >power to uprate Tenryu and Tatsuta's specs? Probably, but would they want to let her try? >Akashi had a Future Industries GearPhone V she'd acquired > I was wondering about this. Akashi, especially, should be able to >buy a piece of tech, reverse engineer it, and run it more efficiently >on her own hardware. I wonder if she could do that with a game and not >cheat at it? Oh, sure she could, but playing around with gadgets in their native form is fun too. >What was more, Kaga saw that they were all wearing equipment of some >kind > I have a feeling we'll hear more about this later, but why would >the kanmusu choose to do things this way? It's not something they decided on, it's just how they manifested. The prospect of running a full-size hull is one of the things about adapting to Fog hardware that a number of them are likely to find particularly intriguing. >was unmistakably a cardboard packing box > This entire scene was comedy gold as well. I was ROFL'ing for a >while! Poor Murakumo. "It's only temporary." >Anyway! Really, REALLY late posts notwithstanding, I still love this >series as much as I did when this was just released. I await the next >installment on the edge of my seat. I'm pleased to hear it. I hope I won't keep you (or myself, really!) waiting too hideously long. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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