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"ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
 
   Over in the discussion thread for Avatar Storytime, Zemyla said:

>Honestly, my only complaint about this is that Korra teases us with
>stuff from Phoenix Flight, and then tells her friends, "You can look
>it up better in the book we have." However, we, the readers, don't
>have that luxury.

Well, it's funny you should say that, actually.

In 203 ASC (three years after Project Phoenix Flight), Korra and her team introduced the Public at Large in Dìqiú to the Veil, the parallel world of Zipang on the other side, and the fascinating alien universe that lay on the far side of Zipang. Concurrent with this came a campaign encouraging people to learn the Galactic Standard language, the better to study and understand the "big universe", and interact with the carefully vetted visitors who were, at the time, starting to trickle in. By decade's end, quite a lot of learned people had done so, and Standard-language periodicals (usually Standard editions of existing newspapers and magazines) had started circulating in the major cities.

Early in 210 ASC, items began appearing in those periodicals promoting the upcoming release of a landmark new Standard-language publication, one which promised to make one of the most popular books of the previous decade available for students of the language - and bring the story of one of Dìqiú's proudest accomplishments to the foreign visitors who were then beginning to discover the world.

Items like this one...

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  RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence Matrix Dragon Jul-04-14 1
  RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence BZArchermoderator Jul-04-14 2
  RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence Polychrome Jul-05-14 3
     RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence Matrix Dragon Jul-05-14 4
         RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence Gryphonadmin Jul-05-14 7
             RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence Lime2K Jul-06-14 16
     RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence pjmoyermoderator Jul-05-14 5
     RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence Gryphonadmin Jul-05-14 6
         RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence Willard Jul-06-14 13
  RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence SpottedKitty Jul-05-14 8
  RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence Peter Eng Jul-05-14 9
  RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence Mercutio Jul-05-14 10
     RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence Gryphonadmin Jul-05-14 11
         RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence Mercutio Jul-06-14 14
  RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence drakensis Jul-06-14 12
  RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence Zemyla Jul-06-14 15

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1. "RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
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   I think you got Asami's voice pretty much right. Her comments regarding her dad were particularly nice, in the 'well, I can go back and laugh at it now' kind of way.

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   You guys are INSPIRED lunatics. :)

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3. "RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
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   What happened to "Plain text or nothing, RARRRR!"?

Polychrome

I may be paraphrasing slightly.


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4. "RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
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   >What happened to "Plain text or nothing, RARRRR!"?

I'm gonna go with 'Oh hey, it'd be cool if this looked like an actual piece taken from a magazine article'.

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7. "RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
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   >I'm gonna go with 'Oh hey, it'd be cool if this looked like an actual
>piece taken from a magazine article'.

Circle gets the square. (I mean I hope people don't assume I did that justified-to-both-margins thing because I thought it looked good or made the thing easier to read. No. It's because that's what old newspapers look like.)

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16. "RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
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   I like the story itself, but those huge-ass indents just scream out to my OCD. Other than that it looks great.

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5. "RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
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   >What happened to "Plain text or nothing, RARRRR!"?
>
>Polychrome
>
>I may be paraphrasing slightly.

Well, if you -really- want text (albeit with italics), there's always http://magnetic-terp-output.tumblr.com/post/90813177769/why-dont-we-go-to-the-moon . (since I figured that not everybody would click the handy link in the title).

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6. "RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
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   >What happened to "Plain text or nothing, RARRRR!"?

Nice. I slave night and day over a hot stove and this is the thanks I get: someone taking old remarks about HTML text formatting and the shitty screen capacities of early handheld devices out of those contexts to point and laugh at the old hypocrite when he tries to do something new and fun.

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13. "RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
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   >>What happened to "Plain text or nothing, RARRRR!"?
>
>Nice. I slave night and day over a hot stove and this is the thanks I
>get: someone taking old remarks about HTML text formatting and the
>
>
Well I thought it was cool. Great teaser, and I liked the news-magazine vibe.

If you want to play with fancier formating than plain text allows then go you!


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8. "RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
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   I'm making that <squee> noise again.

Really looking forward to seeing how you do what we're all fairly sure happens next. Not to mention all the twists and turns you do so well...

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   That was fun, and I agree that you have Asami-at-41's voice nailed.

Hopefully, you can get more from her viewpoint; I rather like how she sees the world.

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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-05-14 AT 11:37 PM (EDT)
 
Hmm. I could work on the long-overdue post-publishing analysis of AINA...

... only this looks much more fun!

>We didn't get back to the idea until
>the next day, when we regrouped back at the
>racetrack at midday to tidy up the garage
>and make certain the car was properly put
>away. While we worked, I remarked to Korra,
>"The moon?"

I love how Asami brings this up completely out of nowhere almost twelve hours later after some truly epic drinking and possibly bedroom-related celebrations and Korra picks up the thread with very, very little trouble.

>"We read excerpts from it when I was
>at school, but never the whole thing," I said.
>"Why? What interest does he have in the
>moon?"

I like to think that Korra had to work very, very hard not to digress into a whole big thing about Zuko's complex relationship with the events surrounding that time the Fire Nation murdered the moon.

>Korra explained
>that the last chapter of the book contained the former Fire Lord's
>suggestions for various far - reaching projects
>his posterity might undertake to improve
>worldwide cooperation, the most ambitious
>of which – by a long way – was a manned expedition to Yue.


ASAMI
Oh, wait, I -have- read about this! Didn't he lose a bet with Sokka and, to pay
up, had to figure out a way for him to go hook back up with his ex and her
"celestial body?"

KORRA
Asami, I hate to tell you this, but Master Sokka, You're Drunk! is...
not reliable as a matter of historical record.

ASAMI
The devil you say.

>"The comet's due in the summer of
>200," I told her. "We would have seven years.
>Seven years to invent technologies, materials,
>and bending techniques no one has even
>thought of, marshal all the technical and
>human resources that would be required to
>realize them, construct facilities, train
>personnel... seven years."

Nobody else has said yet, so I might as well be the first: digging the historical parallel.

As someone who did three years at Space Camp/Space Academy (note to anyone who has kids: if you can afford it, send them to those programs, it's so much better than camping, I'm not even kidding) and who has a copy of The Right Stuff and a whole stack of embarrassingly propagandic 1980s-era histories of the moon shot still on his bookshelves, may I express the devout hope that Challenging the Cold Silence will end just chockablock full of stuff like that?

>talking about a man who had once
>employed the entire world supply of platinum
>solely in the development of a more efficient
>way of punching metalbenders in the face,
>and even he would have found the task of
>arranging a moon mission daunting.

I somehow think Hiroshi's plans for the moons would have been a lot less "Apollo Program" and a lot more "Mr. Show."

>Then she added with a wry grin,
>"There are better ways to bankrupt yourself
>than trying to send your nutty girlfriend to
>the moon."

I deeply approve of this sentence and choose to interpret it in the sexiest way possible.

(I'm a simple man with simple needs, dammit.)

>Oh, private enterprise could, and would, make it
>possible – the private sector was where all the technology
>and know - how would come from

You know, I'm genuinely unsure if that puts Diqiu at an advantage or disadvantage when it comes to planning a moon shot. Here in the real world, a lot of technology and know-how came from the public sector, as the military had a vested interest in shooting things in grand arcs around the planet using rockets. (Many universities and other government organs had more peaceable goals, of course; many of the organizations that would eventually be folded into the NOAA were very, very interested in the possibilities being able to loft things into orbit offered.)

Private enterprise has its own very different pathologies and problems compared to public ones, so I'm not sure if taking it entirely private and just using the governments as a cash source is a step in the right direction or not.

>This led Korra's first
>biographer to wonder how it is that he's even
>still alive, but then, Jinora has peculiar ideas
>about romance generally.

Considering the world she lives in, Jinora's ideas are less "peculiar" and more terrifyingly possible.

Oh man, I am so jazzed for this. I truly am.

And I appreciate the amount of effort that must have gone into formatting and producing that document, Ben. It looks amazing, like a real excerpt from a proper newspaper.

-Merc
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11. "RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-06-14 AT 02:32 AM (EDT)
 
>Hmm. I could work on the long-overdue post-publishing analysis of
>AINA...
>
>... only this looks much more fun!

Oh, good, you are doing one. I was beginning to despairwonder.

(Though, in hindsight, I'm now a little worried that you think a teaser for an unfinished project is "much more fun"...)

>I love how Asami brings this up completely out of nowhere almost
>twelve hours later after some truly epic drinking and possibly
>bedroom-related celebrations and Korra picks up the thread with very,
>very little trouble.

I couldn't possibly comment about that middle bit, but the rest of it is in fact exactly what I was going for. :)

>KORRA
>Asami, I hate to tell you this, but Master Sokka, You're Drunk! is...
>not reliable as a matter of historical record.

IHNJ, IJLS.

>Private enterprise has its own very different pathologies and problems
>compared to public ones, so I'm not sure if taking it entirely private
>and just using the governments as a cash source is a step in the right
>direction or not.

Well, keep in mind that Asami's basically giving us the first draft of her thoughts on the project there, and not necessarily how it ultimately played out. At the time, she had in mind the (to her, as a captain of industry) self-evident fact that the governments were only there to buy stuff, not invent it. :)

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14. "RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
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   >>Hmm. I could work on the long-overdue post-publishing analysis of
>>AINA...
>>
>>... only this looks much more fun!
>
>Oh, good, you are doing one. I was beginning to despairwonder.

Life's been crazy. I mean, no excuses, you manage to write this stuff and I guarantee your life is crazier than mine. But there's been... stuff.

>(Though, in hindsight, I'm now a little worried that you think a
>teaser for an unfinished project is "much more fun"...)

To put that in context, AINA actually required me to put my thinking cap on and really consider deeply a lot of what I'd read. That's not bad! It's a good thing! In fact, I prefer what I read to make me do that.

This little piece, though, was a lot more fun than needing to spend four or five ours getting all my stuff down coherently. :)

Anyway, nickel summary: AINA had some really subtle, really interesting stuff going on with Korra that may or may not be all in my head, especially as it relates to her flying solo without a Krew. I have much to say about the use of New Avalon, which I feel has been underutilized as a setting since focus shifted away from CSI:NA.

It also had what I felt were some very, very rough conceptual issues.

Details to follow.

-Merc
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12. "RE: ANNC/Promo 1: Challenging the Cold Silence"
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   Just going to say I love this one and I'm recommending it to anyone who might be interested.

D.


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   Thank you, Gryphon. This is wonderful and I'm looking forward to more.


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