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15. "RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1"
In response to message #11
 
  
>I'm going to be That Guy again and note that, historically, it does
>often take People From Away in order to actually protect environmental
>integrity. If it were left purely up to the residents of Louisiana who
>live there, the Gulf Coast would be a blighted wasteland where nothing
>grows or swims. Ditto the Everglades in Florida. The Appalachians
>would be nothing more than blown-open mountains, strip mines, and
>decaying slag ponds. The Cuyahoga river would still catch on fire
>every summer.
>
>Out in the midwest, if those of us who don't actually live there don't
>enforce some fairly substantive changes in industry and commerce, the
>Ogallala Aquifer is going to be drained dry and/or irreversibly
>polluted. (The shit the fracking industry is getting up to in Oklahoma
>will blow your mind.) Further west, I am 100% convinced that by 2030
>we're going to see actual for-real water wars over the decaying
>remnants of the Colorado River if the feds don't enforce a solution
>over the wishes of a massive patchwork of state and local incumbents,
>who all more or less take the position "the water is mine and I've got
>a shooting 'arn if anyone says different." The State of California is
>going to have to tell some farmers they need to eat a loss, because
>they're sucking so much water out of the rivers that there's very real
>risk of salt backflow from the ocean flowing way, way upstream, and
>once a stretch of land is inundated with salt water it becomes
>relatively useless for farming.
>
>I'm not saying high-handed paternalism is necessarily an attractive
>trait in people, but, well. Sometimes "no, we won't let you slash and
>burn" is sort of necessary thing to tell folks. People have a
>remarkable tendency to not just shit where they eat, but to get
>really mad at folks telling them to clean up the shit.
>

The reason behind that is actually quite simple. People from Far Away(tm) are not making an often hand to mouth living more or less directly from whichever natural resource they are seeking to protect. It is all well and good to tell some farmers to 'eat a loss' but if you don't give them some way to deal with that loss that does not involve words like 'bankruptcy' and 'homelessness' they will have many choice words and a couple of upraised fingers to show you.

It is a short sighted but inescapable truth that survival today trumps any and all concerns for tomorrow.

-={(Astynax)}=-
"The most common human response to being told 'no' are the words 'Fuck You'."


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 Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 [View All] Peter Eng Aug-16-16 TOP
   RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Gryphonadmin Aug-16-16 1
      RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 McFortner Aug-17-16 2
          RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 zojojojo Aug-17-16 3
              RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Wiregeek Aug-18-16 4
                  RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Pasha Aug-19-16 5
   RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 jonathanlennox Aug-26-16 6
      RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Gryphonadmin Aug-26-16 7
          RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Peter Eng Aug-26-16 8
          RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Pasha Aug-26-16 9
              RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Kendra Kirai Aug-26-16 10
                  RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Pasha Aug-29-16 24
                      RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Kendra Kirai Aug-29-16 25
              RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 TheOtherSean Aug-27-16 12
          RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Mercutio Aug-26-16 11
             RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Astynax Aug-28-16 15
                  RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Gryphonadmin Aug-28-16 16
                      RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Mercutio Aug-28-16 17
          RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 MoonEyes Aug-27-16 13
              RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Gryphonadmin Aug-27-16 14
                  RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Mercutio Aug-28-16 18
                      RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 The Traitor Aug-28-16 19
                  RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 BeardedFerret Aug-29-16 20
                  RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 jonathanlennox Aug-29-16 21
                      RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Gryphonadmin Aug-29-16 22
                          RE: Ask Gryphon Anything, Volume 2, Issue 1 Mercutio Aug-29-16 23


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