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"New Bits"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-14 AT 04:00 PM (EDT)
 
This was covered on the What's New page too, but what the hell. Following on from this afternoon's successful CSS test, I spent the evening converting and repackaging a bunch of ex-Mini and suchlike HTML material using the new standard. By an odd coincidence, it's all connected to The Legacy of Korra so far, so I took the opportunity to slightly reorganize the TLOK directory and the categories on the index page.

So! There's now a new imprint/category on the Legacy index, Lost Legends, for stories which deal with the days before Legacy proper (i.e., "lost" stories from the period covered by the Legend of Korra canon). Under that heading, you will right now find shiny CSSed versions of the Forum stories As Long as I Live and Test Drive. (I'm not going to type in all the links here, you guys know how to use a web browser. :)

Meanwhile, down in Book 5: Veil, we have a new edition of Bridging the Worlds, the Micro depicting Korra and Asami's first exploration of the Veil separating Dìqiú and Zipang.

And in Book 6: Galaxy, we find Three Views of Dìqiú - a look at Korra and Corwin's early days, originally the "bonus story" from Mini-Omnibus 6; And So They Met, the teaser/alternate scene from Book 6 Chapter 1: An Avatar in New Avalon; and an all-new, revised and reintegrated CSS version of A Fire to be Lighted, Karana and Azana's "origin story" - which now features the originally-separate follow-up A Bride Too Far as Part IV, since they really are all one story.

Soon they will be joined by an updated version of Desolation Angel: Travels with the Phoenix Queen under the Lost Legends imprint; this is mostly done but needs peer review, and as you may have noticed it's the middle of the night, so that will have to wait a bit. :)

More good stuff coming over the next little while, I think, not necessarily having to do directly with my sudden CSS achievement unlock.

Please note that this stuff is still experimental, and as I'm doing it all by hand and my hands aren't what they used to be, there might be the odd screw-up (fat-fingered markup, etc). I've inspected the pieces before posting them, but you know how it is trying to proof your own work. You see what you intended to do sometimes. :)

This is the most pleased I've been about a day in which I haven't actually written a damn thing in quite some time. It's housekeeping that needed to be done, and the new format looks very nice to me. And it's good to have A Fire to be Lighted in its complete/mature form.

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1. "RE: New Bits"
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   In tandem with the HTML/CSS updates to various bits of Legacy yesterday, I spent much of last night updating the audio versions of the affected pieces to reflect their new labeling. You'll find the new versions behind the speaker icons at the top of each HTML story (I'll update the Legacy index page with similar icons for each in a bit - I'm doing another file upload right now and it's clobbering the bandwidth to the point where editing text remotely is a bit annoying).

Because I tagged And So They Met as Track 1 of An Avatar in New Avalon, the ID3 tags on the AiNA audio files got changed too, but that's the only alteration to those, so if you're not as pathological about curating your MP3 libraries as I sometimes get, you can safely skip re-downloading those.

Also, an improved audio icon.

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2. "RE: New Bits"
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   >This is the most pleased I've been about a day in which I haven't
>actually written a damn thing in quite some time. It's housekeeping
>that needed to be done, and the new format looks very nice to me. And
>it's good to have A Fire to be Lighted in its complete/mature
>form.

Indeed it is good...first thing I reread. it works perfectly in my phone's browser.

-VR
Google! Why can't you make Chrome for Android wrap plain text? Like the way everyone else, including the old standard Android browser, does.
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3. "RE: New Bits"
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   This looks fantastic. I'm very impressed with the new look! I certainly wouldn't try to mark up everything in your shoes, either, though, so no worries.

Not quite sure where you would want me to put minor typo corrections, so I'll simply say here the last line of Put On Your War Paint seems to have been truncated.

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this world created by the
hands of the gods
everything is false
everything is a LIE
the final days have come
now
let everything be destroyed

--mu


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4. "RE: New Bits"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-06-14 AT 02:42 AM (EDT)
 
>This looks fantastic. I'm very impressed with the new look! I
>certainly wouldn't try to mark up everything in your shoes, either,
>though, so no worries.

So I got curious. How long, I wondered, would it actually take me to convert an existing, full-length, originally-in-plain-text story?

Well, in the case of The Legacy of Korra Book 6 Chapter 1, An Avatar in New Avalon (215K, plain text), about two and a half hours. Much of that time, after getting all the incidental bits (time stamps, song cues, etc.) properly marked up, was taken up with tedious groveling around for hyphen-delimited (and thus not practically searchable) emphasis (which I'm sure I've missed a bunch of in the first pass).

So, uh, yeah, I don't think a full conversion of the back catalog is on the cards.

However! One thing I came to suspect during the process is that if I wrote the way I do when I'm writing for the Forum - with incidental markup (italics and whatnot) happening in line, but not worrying about the paragraph tags and all that junk until after - that... might actually work. I'm not certain; further experimentation is definitely called for. (One potential problem is that that's all well and good when I'm writing, but it's a pretty fiddly business to expect of collaborators, and then I'm back to groveling around doing the conversions by hand again.)

However, if that suspicion is correct, though, the process might be adaptable to CSS compliance in future pieces. I make no promises, but it's a thing I am investigating.

In the meantime, hey, that's everything on the Legacy page.

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5. "RE: New Bits"
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   >Much of that time, after getting all the incidental bits (time
>stamps, song cues, etc.) properly marked up, was taken up with tedious
>groveling around for hyphen-delimited (and thus not practically
>searchable) emphasis (which I'm sure I've missed a bunch of in
>the first pass).

I don't know what text editor you work with, but Notepad++ on Windows has usefully robust regex search capabilities. I believe that using a search and replace with the regex option, using the text between the double quotes, would have the desired effect:

Find: "(\s)-(\w+)-(\s)"
Replace with: "\1<i>\2</i>\3"

Doing that on the text for "An Avatar in New Avalon" makes 99 replacements, and searching for <i> doesn't look like it yielded false positives, at least.


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6. "RE: New Bits"
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   >I don't know what text editor you work with, but Notepad++ on Windows
>has usefully robust regex search capabilities. I believe that using a
>search and replace with the regex option, using the text between the
>double quotes, would have the desired effect:
>
>Find: "(\s)-(\w+)-(\s)"
>Replace with: "\1<i>\2</i>\3"

Hmm, I'll have to try that; I don't use that editor, but the one I do use does regular expressions too (which is how I was able to semi-automate paragraph wrapping, albeit only to a point). The emphasis thing is only one of several tedious things about reformatting a long plaintext piece (it's an involved enough process that even with better automation, repackaging the whole giant back catalog's simply not going to happen), but it would certainly help. Thanks.

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7. "RE: New Bits"
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   > (it's an involved enough process that even with better
> automation, repackaging the whole giant back catalog's
> simply not going to happen)

Hypothetically speaking, if you had a program that took Eyrie-standard .txt and converted it to HTML for you in one gulp -- possibly requiring spot checks and adjustments afterward if there was any unusual formatting, but no line-by-line proofreading -- how much of that process would be left?

I'm pretty sure that program could be written. I don't have time to do it myself, but I think other people have mentioned having already written approximations to it. (The hardest part, in my mind, would be the two-column end-titles-with-music pattern.)


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8. "RE: New Bits"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-06-14 AT 12:24 PM (EDT)
 
>Hypothetically speaking, if you had a program that took Eyrie-standard
>.txt and converted it to HTML for you in one gulp -- possibly
>requiring spot checks and adjustments afterward if there was any
>unusual formatting, but no line-by-line proofreading -- how much of
>that process would be left?

Hypothetically speaking, probably a lot, because A) there's a lot of formatting in your average UF story that I don't think would lend itself well to automatic styling (flashbacks, asides, what have you) and B) I would almost certainly wind up doing the line-by-line proofreading anyway. Any sort of automation tools would be a help, certainly, but I don't think a completely fire-and-forget solution is feasible.

Honestly, converting the back catalog is simply not on the table. Way better things to do. Right now, I'm in the process of considering whether the creative process can coexist with the style sheet for purposes of making new material. I'm not sure it can, the way I do it - I tend to leave a lot of in-progress notes strewn around the files as I work on them, and having to mark those up just so they won't break the output strikes me as a bit naff - but I'm looking at it.

--G.
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