In Twilight 7/"Fanfare for an Exiled Prince", Gryphon and R-Type quote a bit of dialogue from Ghostbusters, with the implication - at the time that scene was written, anyway - that Ghostbusters is fictional. However, we find out later, in one of the Raven stories (the title escapes me, but it's the one where she goes on a date with Etrigan) that the Ghostbusters do exist in the UFverse. ?? (Then again, there's a reference to the Spengler scale elsewhere in SotS, so this example may not meet the criteria after all...unless the UF-era Ghostbusters and the measurement borrowed from the 20th-century movie!)

-Joe-

We know Egon Spengler was a real person - the measurement for life force in synthesized entities is the Spengler Flux, after all - and we've had references to Ray Stantz here and there. Therefore, we pull out of the Ghostbusters Cartoon that the movie was a stylized version of a dimensional kerboom at some point, and thus is now quotable.

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Geoff Depew - Darth Mephron
Haberdasher to Androids, Dark Lord of Sith Tech Support.
"And Remember! Google is your Friend!!"

And from Scrapheap Shuffle we know a) that UF-Gryphon knew Spengler -- he mistakes Ido for Egon the first time they meet, and continues to call him "Egon" for the rest of the story -- and b) because he mistakes Ido for Egon, we know that it's the animated Ghostbusters which exist in the UFVerse -- because Ido looks nothing like Harold Ramis, and a whole lot like his animated counterpart.

-- Bob
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Five years ago I was a four-stone apology. Today I am two separate gorillas.

Polychrome

It's not your imagination, but those Heterodynes (extradimensional alien beings, later used as the basis for Big Fire's K-Units) come from the anime series "Dai-Guard," not anything related to "Girl Genius."

Slarti

Except the modern ones which are creepy as all fucking hell

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Haberdasher to Androids, Dark Lord of Sith Tech Support.
"And Remember! Google is your Friend!!"

<throws his hands up in the universal "you zee vhat I have to VORK vith, Mr. Napier" gesture>

Does it matter?

--G.
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No ads. Ever. Well, except for their own programs, but that doesn't really count. Which means, as I don't watch all that much TV, I have absolutely no idea what these fast food adverts entail. Which I have gathered is desirable.

Getting back on topic, I suppose that an additional problem with determining what is fictitious and what is not in regards to the UF Universe is that one (for the most part) cannot know whether the thing in question is deemed fictional or is just something our lords and masters haven't got round to crowbaring in yet.

At a guess, I'd say Rumpole Of The Bailey was fictional, due to Moose MacEchearn's calling Kaitlyn 'She Who Must Be Obeyed'. Though Rumpole might just be a famous lawyer on Hoffman. It is all but impossible to tell, and the only way to find out is to ask.

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"She's old, she's lame, she's
barren too, // "She's not worth
feed or hay, // "But I'll give
her this," - he blew smoke at
me - // "She was something in
her day." -- Garnet Rogers,
Small Victory

YES.

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Haberdasher to Androids, Dark Lord of Sith Tech Support.
"And Remember! Google is your Friend!!"

Ard Collier
that Janice chick
Usual Suspect and general menace

cheers,
t.
who has been traveling and needs to comment more. Thanks to everyone who is playing!

Trigger Argee
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Manon, Maccadon, Orado, etc.
Denton, never leave home without it.

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - HST

...Only because they're not accepting new authors. Alas, the world will never see my Hanna Montana/Jonas Brothers Lensmen Two-in-One comic.

Jumping back on-topic, I reckon the works of A.A. Milne are still fiction, judging by the reaction to Nall's Tigger costume in SotS.

And every being in the universe breathed a deep and reverent sigh of relief, and God took his finger off the 'detonate universe' button.

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Geoff Depew - Darth Mephron
Haberdasher to Androids, Dark Lord of Sith Tech Support.
"And Remember! Google is your Friend!!"

Well, there was that time Paige Guthrie had to go undercover as a Teeth-Softeningly Sweet Teen Idol in order to break what is still sometimes known by the quaint and inaccurate 19th-century term "white slavery ring". But Paige really, really doesn't like to talk about that. Even if she did have the #1 pop single in the Federation for 17 weeks.

--G.
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Add a Billy-Ray Cyrus cameo and you'll have yourself a reader.

Keep in mind that if we did that, the odds are good that it'd be a cameo in which someone hunts him down and kills him.

Slarti
"Will there be titty?"

-Droken

Bullet through the Achey Breaky Heart.

I'm hoping that this isn't a joke. I don't even need to see any more of the story. This works just fine as background that Paige refuses to talk about.

Peter Eng
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I'm only a Charter Member because of the DCForum upgrade, and because there's no rank below "Clueless F!wit."

And the internal UF trope known as "I'm With The Band" raises its head once again. <grin>

-- Bob
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Five years ago I was a four-stone apology. Today I am two separate gorillas.

Which means that Jubilation must "idly" hum it in her presence at least once a month. At least.

"Oops, Paige. You did it again."

"Gawd, Ah hate you. Ah hate you so much."

--G.
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So long as she didn't absolutely murder Hallelujah for that single, I'm happy. Mitch Benn obviously wouldn't've been picked up by Project Hero, so the Buckleyite impetus would've lost considerable momentum on that score.

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"She's old, she's lame, she's
barren too, // "She's not worth
feed or hay, // "But I'll give
her this," - he blew smoke at
me - // "She was something in
her day." -- Garnet Rogers,
Small Victory

I speak only for myself, but I have to admit to a sense of confusion and possible revulsion inspired by him.

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Geoff Depew - Darth Mephron
Haberdasher to Androids, Dark Lord of Sith Tech Support.
"And Remember! Google is your Friend!!"

Certainly not. The movie's not out yet.

Ardie and I are actually kinda jazzed about the movie, though the trailer that just released bugs me on the 'wow, could they have stolen more things from the Iron Man trailer?' level. This doesn't automatically have anything to do with the movie itself, as many times trailers are cut by a completely different company than anyone actually working on the film, and can be totally driven by Marketing.

That being said, I've never exactly been a Guy Ritchie fan, though to be fair, I've never actually *seen* any of his movies, that's how much of not being a fan I was. I was also not a J.J. Abrams fan before two weeks ago, either. It feels like that kind of summer. :)

	Chad Collier Smirking Kilrathi The Captain of the Gravy Train

Also, if John Rogers ever does get a greenlight to do his all-female Holmes/ Watson story where Holmes is still a giant opium smoker and Watson's got all the martial arts under her belt, I will totally be there for that too.

Ard Collier
that Janice chick
Usual Suspect and general menace

Oh. Bugger. And here I was all excited. This can only be solved by watching Star Trek again tomorrow night.

	Chad Collier Smirking Kilrathi The Captain of the Gravy Train

Indeed. Good thing we're already set up to do that!

yes, everyone, this is the fifth time; no, really, we have a good reason, our dear friend and sometime NXE translation expert Dave hasn't gotten to see the movie yet

Ard Collier
that Janice chick
Usual Suspect and general menace

Also, an exchange between me and my friend Richard, during the cinematic extravaganza of fantabulous wonderment on Wednesday night that may amuse some of you:

Me: I think that Sylar makes the best Spock ever.
Richard : Hmm, I'm not so sure. I'm not too keen on the delivery of his lines...
Me: Delivery?
Richard: Mmmm, yeah, it seems a little off.
Me: Uh... has he actually been saying stuff? Could not tell... on an unrelated note, I appear to have picked up a pointy-ears fetish.
Richard: I will now beat you with my hat.

He then beat me with his hat.

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"She's old, she's lame, she's
barren too, // "She's not worth
feed or hay, // "But I'll give
her this," - he blew smoke at
me - // "She was something in
her day." -- Garnet Rogers,
Small Victory

It's fairly well-established in Crossroads that Edison Bell was Sherlock Holmes, but on the other hand, that was before the event my Stross-influenced brain now insists on calling the Singularity; it may have been undone.

--G.
(yes, I know that makes Gryphon the Eschaton in some warped fashion. sort of.)
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AH! I should have remembered. Oh these little gray cells, they ain't what they used to be.

t.

Trigger Argee
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Manon, Maccadon, Orado, etc.
Denton, never leave home without it.

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - HST

Ooo, I can just see Gryph as honoured guest presenting the Kobyashi Maru scenario to the ATS Middies in one of Honor's famous after-dinner simulator events.

Gryph presenting it, of course, does the usual Honor trick of giving two messages -- the first one being the standard KM cliche about what you do when you can't win, the second being precisely what Honor does in these situations (and what Gryph did) and winning anyway by dint of hard work and determination.

(of course, I can't see Honor winning the KM without taking horrible ship damage and probably losing an appendage, but...)

S.

a) Where we have things like Marvel (who make up stories about made-up superheroes), UF has Bacon Comics (who possibly make up and possibly just tell stories about real superheroes).

b) Some people (e.g. The Shadow) in UF were thought of as the characters as fictional but turn out to be real.

And in writing that second note I've remembered one you've not got -- Darkwing Duck, the inspiration for the Hammer costume.

S,