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Gryphon
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Jan-11-10, 04:26 PM (EDT) |
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"retroactive musings"
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Every now and then - less often nowadays, as I'm an old fart who doesn't go in for newfangled ideas so much any more - I'll encounter something of which I was previously unaware and, after familiarizing myself with it, start thinking about how it would fit into UF. Sometimes this process brings us new characters; sometimes it just provides some background flavor; sometimes it results in nothing at all. Recently I became aware of a BBC comedy/news program called Have I Got News For You. This is a venerable example of that peculiarly British form of TV show called the "panel quiz" - part game show, part talk show, part stand-up comedy act - in which a comedian (Paul Merton), a journalist/satirist (Ian Hislop, editor of Private Eye magazine), and three guests that change each week (one of whom hosts the show) mock current events. Not being British, I lack the proper cultural context for many of the news stories they cover (except when they're being savage about my own country, which, regrettably, people overseas have much cause to do nowadays), and yet I find this show bizarrely captivating. The closest equivalent I can think of that we have in the US is The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, and they're really not anything like each other apart from having to do with making fun of the news. And it got me to thinking: I'll bet the first episode of Have I Got News For You to air after the Earth Alliance crackdown of 2406 was... quite something. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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The Traitor
Member since Feb-24-09
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Jan-12-10, 04:20 AM (EDT) |
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3. "RE: retroactive musings"
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We're good at this sort of thing, Gryph. For, how shall we say, further reading, it'd be worth your while to listen to The News Quiz and I'm Sorry, I Haven't A Clue on what I refuse to stop calling the wireless, or watching Mock The Week on the magical moving picture box. HIGNFW didn't always have a guest presenter format. Its original presenter, Angus Deayton, had to leave the BBC for reasons I cannot remember. It might have been drugs, it might have been a dead man in his pool, it's difficult to say. --- "She's old, she's lame, she's barren too, // "She's not worth feed or hay, // "But I'll give her this," - he blew smoke at me - // "She was something in her day." -- Garnet Rogers, Small Victory FiMFiction.net: we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have standards. |
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Gryphon
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Jan-12-10, 04:37 AM (EDT) |
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4. "RE: retroactive musings"
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>HIGNFW didn't always have a guest presenter format. Its original >presenter, Angus Deayton, had to leave the BBC for reasons I cannot >remember. It might have been drugs, it might have been a dead man in >his pool, it's difficult to say. Drugs and a hooker, according to said hooker's account in the News of the World. I've seen the episode that aired the week that the story broke. Hislop and Merton were quite... savage. Deayton lasted another three episodes (with a series hiatus in the middle), then another round of similar allegations broke out in the tabloids and the Beeb decided that Angus was no longer credible as the snarky host of a quiz program designed to make hay out of public figures' failings. Merton, in particular, had such palpable contempt for him by that point that the show was starting not to work. (As he later said when a newspaper reporter accused him and Hislop of stabbing Angus in the back, "No, we stabbed him in the front.") Mind you, that was in 2002 and some people in the business are still pissed off about how it all went down. Stephen Fry, for instance, was rumored to be the producers' first choice to take over permanently as host, but he was so incensed by the way Angus got the sack that he's refused to appear on the program since, which, I guess, is why he's hosting QI now instead. I think I prefer it with the rotating guest host anyway, to be honest; some of them don't work for me (e.g. that utterly smug woman MP whose name escapes me at the moment), but, I mean, if they still had Deayton we'd never have had the Boris Johnson episodes. Or the one with BRIAN BLESSED (as I am informed is the proper spelling of his name). And that would be tragic. For that matter, I'd probably never have stumbled across the show, since I only came to it by way of running across one of the episodes that Jeremy Clarkson guest-hosted. As to your other suggestions, I've listened to a few episodes of I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue, but not the other shows you mention. I've heard of The News Quiz - I gather the late Linda Smith used to be on it a lot - but never actually heard it. Still, always looking for new things to put on in the car, you know. It's a longish drive from anywhere to anywhere in my part of the world. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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The Traitor
Member since Feb-24-09
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Jan-12-10, 06:19 AM (EDT) |
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5. "RE: retroactive musings"
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>As to your other suggestions, I've listened to a few episodes of >I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue, but not the other shows you >mention. I've heard of The News Quiz - I gather the >late Linda Smith used to be on it a lot - but never actually heard it.Indeed she did. HIGNFW is basic a televised, less funny version of The News Quiz (which is hosted by Sandi Toksvig and features prominent comedians from everywhere), and Mock The Week is a version of it more based around comedy than actual accuracy. Frankie Boyle, Scotland's funniest man and at 37, the oldest living resident of Glasgow, was a regular, as is the truly hilarious impressionist/satirist Hugh Dennis and Russell Howard, who is extremely good and also extremely good-looking. You might also enjoy 8 Out Of 10 Cats, a panel game about polls and statistics hosted by plastic-faced, Antichrist-eyed comedian Jimmy Carr and featuring Sean Lock (improv master) and Jason Manford (a hilarious, fat Northerner like a less urbane and more down-to-Earth Phill Jupitus) --- "She's old, she's lame, she's barren too, // "She's not worth feed or hay, // "But I'll give her this," - he blew smoke at me - // "She was something in her day." -- Garnet Rogers, Small Victory FiMFiction.net: we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have standards. |
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trboturtle2
Member since Jul-4-09
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Jan-13-10, 07:25 PM (EDT) |
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14. "RE: retroactive musings"
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>I think we can safely say now that we've completely lost the plot >here. > >--G. >-><- >Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin >Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ >Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. You assumed there was a plot to begin with......B-D
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MoonEyes
Member since Jun-29-03
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Jan-18-10, 04:58 PM (EDT) |
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18. "RE: retroactive musings"
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>Drugs and a hooker, according to said hooker's account in the News >of the World. I've seen the episode that aired the week that the >story broke. Hislop and Merton were quite... savage. Deayton lasted >another three episodes (with a series hiatus in the middle), then >another round of similar allegations broke out in the tabloids and the >Beeb decided that Angus was no longer credible as the snarky host of a >quiz program designed to make hay out of public figures' failings. >Merton, in particular, had such palpable contempt for him by that >point that the show was starting not to work. (As he later said when >a newspaper reporter accused him and Hislop of stabbing Angus in the >back, "No, we stabbed him in the front.") The 'reporter' was, in fact, Sir Michael Parkinson, of the interview program Parkinson. He also says quite a few other, more than a bit sharp and/or contemptous things. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMXiR089ARQ for part of the programme in question. The 'stabbed him in the front' part is at about 3:25. >Mind you, that was in 2002 and some people in the business are still >pissed off about how it all went down. Stephen Fry, for instance, was >rumored to be the producers' first choice to take over permanently as >host, but he was so incensed by the way Angus got the sack that he's >refused to appear on the program since, which, I guess, is why he's >hosting QI now instead. Indeed. Fry said that the sacking of Deayton was 'greasy, miserable, British and pathetic'. Man has a way with words, he does.
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Gryphon
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Jan-18-10, 05:56 PM (EDT) |
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19. "RE: retroactive musings"
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>The 'reporter' was, in fact, Sir Michael Parkinson, of the interview >program Parkinson.Oh, I thought it'd been in a newspaper interview. I wonder where I got that impression... ah, well. They used to show Parkinson on BBCA, oh, ten, twelve years ago now. I remember seeing an episode in which two of his guests were Shakespearean actors - I forget their names - who spent much of the show swapping war stories of life on the stage rather than bothering to be interviewed. My favorite bit was when one of them related his annoyance at Shakespeare students attending shows and paying no attention to the actual performance, other than to follow along in a script with a highlighter to make sure the actors said all the words. Eventually he got so irritated that he started delivering his lines in the style of a newsboy just to see what they would do - which was nothing at all. --G. "Horror! Horror! Horror! Tongue nor heart cannot conceive nor name thee! Read all about it!" -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Apostate_Soul
Member since Aug-22-08
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Jan-13-10, 01:08 PM (EDT) |
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10. "RE: retroactive musings"
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I can also see then fleeing to New Avalon- but then again, I've said that before. "Oh, yes, this is the story about Starfire suing the New Avalon Gutter over the suggestion that she might be in a relationship with Raven. Out of the two, you would have thought that Raven would be the one to sue, but it seems that Starfire was rather scandalised by the idea, in a very Victoria Rex sort of manner..." "It's difficult keeping up with the cross-continuity, but I think Cosmouse just gave The Saturnian Scraphunter his Ultimate Pacifier to use against Galactapuss..." |
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Gryphon
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Jan-13-10, 04:18 PM (EDT) |
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13. "RE: retroactive musings"
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>Private Eye being Private Eye, The First Lensman is likely having his >affairs probed into on a regular basis by itOh yes, and you can bet that G comes in for his fair share of abuse whenever he guest-hosts, though I'd like to think it's in a spirit of better-natured fun than, oh, say the shellacking Angus Deayton got toward the end of his run. "This is the Salusian Minister for Public Security giving his annual address to the Estates General - but what I'm really interested in is this other story, if we could just go back for a moment..." >however, Ian Hislop >being a fair man, they'd generally find that there was nothing to >complain about. "I do sometimes wonder why you've never sued me." "Well, Ian, to the best of my knowledge, you've never reported anything about me that wasn't true. Well, apart from the thing about the Grand Duchy of Saenar, and that wasn't your fault." >Although it might be good for lifting the lid off the >unscrupulous behaviour of some of the IPO operatives (And I don't mean >Lensmen- in every organisation, there's a few bad apples, and I >sincerely doubt that the IPO is immune to the Peter Principle). "On my right, the honorary IPO Deputy Chief for Agent Ethics Enforcement, Ian Hislop." --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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