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"retroactive musings"
 
   Every now and then - less often nowadays, as I'm an old fart who doesn't go in for newfangled ideas so much any more - I'll encounter something of which I was previously unaware and, after familiarizing myself with it, start thinking about how it would fit into UF. Sometimes this process brings us new characters; sometimes it just provides some background flavor; sometimes it results in nothing at all.

Recently I became aware of a BBC comedy/news program called Have I Got News For You. This is a venerable example of that peculiarly British form of TV show called the "panel quiz" - part game show, part talk show, part stand-up comedy act - in which a comedian (Paul Merton), a journalist/satirist (Ian Hislop, editor of Private Eye magazine), and three guests that change each week (one of whom hosts the show) mock current events. Not being British, I lack the proper cultural context for many of the news stories they cover (except when they're being savage about my own country, which, regrettably, people overseas have much cause to do nowadays), and yet I find this show bizarrely captivating. The closest equivalent I can think of that we have in the US is The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, and they're really not anything like each other apart from having to do with making fun of the news.

And it got me to thinking: I'll bet the first episode of Have I Got News For You to air after the Earth Alliance crackdown of 2406 was... quite something.

--G.
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: retroactive musings acarr Jan-11-10 1
     RE: retroactive musings Ardaniel Jan-11-10 2
  RE: retroactive musings The Traitor Jan-12-10 3
     RE: retroactive musings Gryphonadmin Jan-12-10 4
         RE: retroactive musings The Traitor Jan-12-10 5
             RE: retroactive musings BeardedFerret Jan-12-10 6
                 RE: retroactive musings astfgl Jan-13-10 7
                     RE: retroactive musings BeardedFerret Jan-13-10 8
                         RE: retroactive musings Gryphonadmin Jan-13-10 9
                             RE: retroactive musings trboturtle2 Jan-13-10 14
         RE: retroactive musings MoonEyes Jan-18-10 18
             RE: retroactive musings Gryphonadmin Jan-18-10 19
                 RE: retroactive musings BeardedFerret Jan-18-10 20
  RE: retroactive musings Apostate_Soul Jan-13-10 10
     RE: retroactive musings The Traitor Jan-13-10 11
         RE: retroactive musings Apostate_Soul Jan-13-10 12
             RE: retroactive musings Gryphonadmin Jan-13-10 13
                 RE: retroactive musings Apostate_Soul Jan-14-10 15
                     RE: retroactive musings Lime2K Jan-16-10 16
                         RE: retroactive musings Apostate_Soul Jan-16-10 17

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acarr
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1. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-10 AT 08:23 PM (EST) by Ardaniel (moderator)
 
There's an NPR show that sounds like it has a similar format. Hrm... What was it called... Ah-ha! Wait, wait, Don't Tell Me!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=35

-- Andrew

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2. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   Truss is a huge Wait Wait Don't Tell Me fan, and has attended the live taping before.

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3. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   We're good at this sort of thing, Gryph. For, how shall we say, further reading, it'd be worth your while to listen to The News Quiz and I'm Sorry, I Haven't A Clue on what I refuse to stop calling the wireless, or watching Mock The Week on the magical moving picture box.

HIGNFW didn't always have a guest presenter format. Its original presenter, Angus Deayton, had to leave the BBC for reasons I cannot remember. It might have been drugs, it might have been a dead man in his pool, it's difficult to say.

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barren too, // "She's not worth
feed or hay, // "But I'll give
her this," - he blew smoke at
me - // "She was something in
her day." -- Garnet Rogers,
Small Victory

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4. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   >HIGNFW didn't always have a guest presenter format. Its original
>presenter, Angus Deayton, had to leave the BBC for reasons I cannot
>remember. It might have been drugs, it might have been a dead man in
>his pool, it's difficult to say.

Drugs and a hooker, according to said hooker's account in the News of the World. I've seen the episode that aired the week that the story broke. Hislop and Merton were quite... savage. Deayton lasted another three episodes (with a series hiatus in the middle), then another round of similar allegations broke out in the tabloids and the Beeb decided that Angus was no longer credible as the snarky host of a quiz program designed to make hay out of public figures' failings. Merton, in particular, had such palpable contempt for him by that point that the show was starting not to work. (As he later said when a newspaper reporter accused him and Hislop of stabbing Angus in the back, "No, we stabbed him in the front.")

Mind you, that was in 2002 and some people in the business are still pissed off about how it all went down. Stephen Fry, for instance, was rumored to be the producers' first choice to take over permanently as host, but he was so incensed by the way Angus got the sack that he's refused to appear on the program since, which, I guess, is why he's hosting QI now instead.

I think I prefer it with the rotating guest host anyway, to be honest; some of them don't work for me (e.g. that utterly smug woman MP whose name escapes me at the moment), but, I mean, if they still had Deayton we'd never have had the Boris Johnson episodes. Or the one with BRIAN BLESSED (as I am informed is the proper spelling of his name). And that would be tragic. For that matter, I'd probably never have stumbled across the show, since I only came to it by way of running across one of the episodes that Jeremy Clarkson guest-hosted.

As to your other suggestions, I've listened to a few episodes of I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue, but not the other shows you mention. I've heard of The News Quiz - I gather the late Linda Smith used to be on it a lot - but never actually heard it. Still, always looking for new things to put on in the car, you know. It's a longish drive from anywhere to anywhere in my part of the world.

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The Traitor
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5. "RE: retroactive musings"
In response to message #4
 
   >As to your other suggestions, I've listened to a few episodes of
>I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue, but not the other shows you
>mention. I've heard of The News Quiz - I gather the
>late Linda Smith used to be on it a lot - but never actually heard it.

Indeed she did. HIGNFW is basic a televised, less funny version of The News Quiz (which is hosted by Sandi Toksvig and features prominent comedians from everywhere), and Mock The Week is a version of it more based around comedy than actual accuracy. Frankie Boyle, Scotland's funniest man and at 37, the oldest living resident of Glasgow, was a regular, as is the truly hilarious impressionist/satirist Hugh Dennis and Russell Howard, who is extremely good and also extremely good-looking.

You might also enjoy 8 Out Of 10 Cats, a panel game about polls and statistics hosted by plastic-faced, Antichrist-eyed comedian Jimmy Carr and featuring Sean Lock (improv master) and Jason Manford (a hilarious, fat Northerner like a less urbane and more down-to-Earth Phill Jupitus)

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"She's old, she's lame, she's
barren too, // "She's not worth
feed or hay, // "But I'll give
her this," - he blew smoke at
me - // "She was something in
her day." -- Garnet Rogers,
Small Victory

FiMFiction.net: we might accept
blatant porn involving the cast
of My Little Pony but as God is
my witness we have
standards.


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BeardedFerret
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6. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   Similarly, if you're after something a little more... colonial, Good News Week is worth checking out. Summer hiatus at the moment, but it's videocasted weekly if you're down with iTunes. Absolutely hilarious and very politically incorrect.


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7. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   This short clip is fairly representative of the show. Oh, it's also NSFW, so viewer beware.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3MLY135xoU

The show survived the transition from the ABC to Ten very well, except they now cross-promote some wannabe starlet or singer every few weeks.


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8. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   In all fairness though, the Kelly Clarkson episode was absolutely fantastic.

I can't let a GNW recommendation go past without linking this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWC0kOkaAfA) either - a song from this year's finale about refugees on boats. Not funny, just brilliant.


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9. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   I think we can safely say now that we've completely lost the plot here.

--G.
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14. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   >I think we can safely say now that we've completely lost the plot
>here.
>
>--G.
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>Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
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You assumed there was a plot to begin with......B-D

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MoonEyes
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18. "RE: retroactive musings"
In response to message #4
 
   >Drugs and a hooker, according to said hooker's account in the News
>of the World
. I've seen the episode that aired the week that the
>story broke. Hislop and Merton were quite... savage. Deayton lasted
>another three episodes (with a series hiatus in the middle), then
>another round of similar allegations broke out in the tabloids and the
>Beeb decided that Angus was no longer credible as the snarky host of a
>quiz program designed to make hay out of public figures' failings.
>Merton, in particular, had such palpable contempt for him by that
>point that the show was starting not to work. (As he later said when
>a newspaper reporter accused him and Hislop of stabbing Angus in the
>back, "No, we stabbed him in the front.")

The 'reporter' was, in fact, Sir Michael Parkinson, of the interview
program Parkinson. He also says quite a few other, more than a bit
sharp and/or contemptous things. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMXiR089ARQ
for part of the programme in question. The 'stabbed him in the front' part is
at about 3:25.

>Mind you, that was in 2002 and some people in the business are still
>pissed off about how it all went down. Stephen Fry, for instance, was
>rumored to be the producers' first choice to take over permanently as
>host, but he was so incensed by the way Angus got the sack that he's
>refused to appear on the program since, which, I guess, is why he's
>hosting QI now instead.

Indeed. Fry said that the sacking of Deayton was 'greasy, miserable,
British and pathetic'. Man has a way with words, he does.

...!
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19. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   >The 'reporter' was, in fact, Sir Michael Parkinson, of the interview
>program Parkinson.

Oh, I thought it'd been in a newspaper interview. I wonder where I got that impression... ah, well.

They used to show Parkinson on BBCA, oh, ten, twelve years ago now. I remember seeing an episode in which two of his guests were Shakespearean actors - I forget their names - who spent much of the show swapping war stories of life on the stage rather than bothering to be interviewed. My favorite bit was when one of them related his annoyance at Shakespeare students attending shows and paying no attention to the actual performance, other than to follow along in a script with a highlighter to make sure the actors said all the words. Eventually he got so irritated that he started delivering his lines in the style of a newsboy just to see what they would do - which was nothing at all.

--G.
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BeardedFerret
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20. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   For not-bothering-to-be-interviewed, see if you can dig up one of the episodes in which Billy Connelly and Sting were interviewed. It's an odd but fantastic combination, some of the best Parky I've seen.


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10. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   I can also see then fleeing to New Avalon- but then again, I've said that before.

"Oh, yes, this is the story about Starfire suing the New Avalon Gutter over the suggestion that she might be in a relationship with Raven. Out of the two, you would have thought that Raven would be the one to sue, but it seems that Starfire was rather scandalised by the idea, in a very Victoria Rex sort of manner..."

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11. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   If Ian survived, so did Private Eye. There will have to be whole classes on it in poli-sci classes on Salusia, wherein young wannabe politicians are warned of the dangers of Ugandan affairs talks and employing Earth law firm Carter-Ruck.

And they'll STILL be making jokes about Piers "Morgan" Moron.

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"She's old, she's lame, she's
barren too, // "She's not worth
feed or hay, // "But I'll give
her this," - he blew smoke at
me - // "She was something in
her day." -- Garnet Rogers,
Small Victory

FiMFiction.net: we might accept
blatant porn involving the cast
of My Little Pony but as God is
my witness we have
standards.


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Apostate_Soul
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12. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   Private Eye being Private Eye, The First Lensman is likely having his affairs probed into on a regular basis by it; however, Ian Hislop being a fair man, they'd generally find that there was nothing to complain about. Although it might be good for lifting the lid off the unscrupulous behaviour of some of the IPO operatives (And I don't mean Lensmen- in every organisation, there's a few bad apples, and I sincerely doubt that the IPO is immune to the Peter Principle).


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13. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   >Private Eye being Private Eye, The First Lensman is likely having his
>affairs probed into on a regular basis by it

Oh yes, and you can bet that G comes in for his fair share of abuse whenever he guest-hosts, though I'd like to think it's in a spirit of better-natured fun than, oh, say the shellacking Angus Deayton got toward the end of his run.

"This is the Salusian Minister for Public Security giving his annual address to the Estates General - but what I'm really interested in is this other story, if we could just go back for a moment..."

>however, Ian Hislop
>being a fair man, they'd generally find that there was nothing to
>complain about.

"I do sometimes wonder why you've never sued me." "Well, Ian, to the best of my knowledge, you've never reported anything about me that wasn't true. Well, apart from the thing about the Grand Duchy of Saenar, and that wasn't your fault."

>Although it might be good for lifting the lid off the
>unscrupulous behaviour of some of the IPO operatives (And I don't mean
>Lensmen- in every organisation, there's a few bad apples, and I
>sincerely doubt that the IPO is immune to the Peter Principle).

"On my right, the honorary IPO Deputy Chief for Agent Ethics Enforcement, Ian Hislop."

--G.
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15. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   "Hello, and welcome to Have I Got News For You. My name, for those of you who don't already know, is Utena Tenjou. Those of you who do know it should be well aware of where the exits are by now."

*****

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16. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   >"Hello, and welcome to Have I Got News For You. My name, for those of
>you who don't already know, is Utena Tenjou. Those of you who do know
>it should be well aware of where the exits are by now."

This would have made a spectacular beverage explosion, had I been drinking anything right now. I can _SO_ picture this happening. Good job, sir.

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17. "RE: retroactive musings"
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   Nice to know I got the tone of the UF-version of the character right, and that version introducing HIGNFY in the normal manner!


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