Well, yeah - my point. Creative exaggeration is all well and good, but if you're eactually trying to summarize something for somebody, hyperbole is probably best avoided...

--G.
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Engage in an interstellar war.
Then add some ice

Pangaro, Who belives most drinks are better cold
Member of the Narn Bat Squad

Win the war (sort of), then lose the war,
Win the war again,
Add in several friends/authors,
Span 400 years,
Add a slice of lime for flavor,
Enjoy!

-Malis out
AO-Rimuldar

Hey, I don't remember any lime.

--G.
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He might be thinking of NXE 2:4.

Oh, and by the by, Gryphon...

When are we going to see Jar Jar Binks in UF?

Eric J. Heckathorn
(INCOMING!!!!!!)
ericjh@stargate.net

If he is, he's even more adept at seeing subtext where none exists than the ordinary fan, and that's saying a lot in this series' case. :)

>Oh, and by the by, Gryphon...
>
>When are we going to see Jar Jar Binks in UF?

Crowd scene? Random assemblage of aliens? Offworlders' Society meeting at the W? Could be anyplace.

--G.
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Heh, does the FI version of WPI have a swim team? :)

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Chad Collier--Jar Jar Binks supporter since 1999
Digital Bitch
J. Random VFX Company

File under "unfair advantage". :)

--G.
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i kill you

Hey, now. None of that.

--G.
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not even any maiming?

I try to keep my establishment carnage-free whenever possible. It saves on insurance.

--G.
["No blasters! No blasters!"]
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ok
hey eric! come on, we gotta take this out side

Geez, it was just a joke...

Eric J. Heckathorn
ericjh@stargate.net

ditto

Would the Lemon Twist be close enough?

Alath A'Tharen

This space intentionally left blank.

I dunno... I think someone forgot the gold brick.

I would suggest you glare Zoner, and R-Type until they talk.

Lime in this case is Where the sex is hinted at, whether or not it actualy happened.

You may remember this scene from UF - 1;

"So, ah, Zoner...how did your evening go?"
MegaZone smirked a silly little smirk, whistled a little
tune, and said nothing.
A bead of sweat rolled down Ben's nose, poised on the
tip, and fell off. His hands were shaking, his eyes squeezed
shut. Zoner's little silly grin drove him absolutely insane,
especially under circumstances like these.

--
Lemon tree,
the flower is pretty, and the scent is very sweet,
but the fruit is impossible to eat...

... OK, now I'm completely lost. It's possible I'm applying a different definition of "lime" than you are, I suppose. That would explain it.

--G.
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I think he's confused. Doesn't lime=Yaoi?

t.

Trigger Argee
trigger_argee@hotmail.com
Manon, Orado, etc.
Denton, never leave home without it.

That's what I thought, too.

--G.
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Umm... no, yaoi == yaoi, yuri == yuri. Yaoi and yuri are genres, so to speak, lime and lemon are ratings, and they don't necessarily mean yaoi or yuri (although they're the most common). Lime == PG-13, where the sex is implied; basically, it's the tasteful cutaway. Lemon == NC-17 or more, where the sex is explicit. An 'R' could go either way, but generally it'd lean towards lemon. "The Day the Universe Changed" from NXE would qualify as a lemon.

I've also heard of a "pineapple", but I'm not sure what that is. I think it might be BDSM.

-- Sean --

http://www.thebrokenlink.org The Broken Link 4.0 is live!
"All tribal myths are true, for a given value of 'true'." -- Terry Pratchett
Follow my random thoughts
Follow my creative process

I have never heard of 'lime' used this way - but the few times I have heard it used over the past 10+ years it meant 'yaoi'.

Personally I think it is just fscking stupid no matter what it means and therefore never use it. It is just some fans being 'clever' - for small quantities of clever.

Personally I can't be bothered with the pigeonholing fandom has become obsessed with.

>NC-17 or more, where the sex is explicit. An 'R' could go either way,
>but generally it'd lean towards lemon. "The Day the Universe Changed"
>from NXE would qualify as a lemon.

Not in my book. I think the trend to label anything that has any sexual contant at all as 'lemon' is another stupid ass move in fandom. That wasn't how it used to be. It had to be graphic to be lemon. Now I see people labeling anything that even *mentions* characters having sex as lemon. "And then they had sex." Oops, characters having sex, it must be lemon! I really am getting bitter about fandom... sometimes I want to issue a collective bitch slap...

IMNSHO nothing Eyrie has ever posted qualifies as lemon, and I would not allow any of it to be so labeled.

-MegaZone, megazone@megazone.org
Personal Homepage http://www.megazone.org/
Eyrie Productions FanFic http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
See what I'm selling on eBay

*shrug* I'm not big into anime fanfic as a whole (not big into fanfic as awhole, anymore), so when someone I knew mentioned that she was running a Gundam Wing lime archive, I asked her what that was supposed to mean, and she explained the lemon/lime thing as a rating system. Different axis than yaoi/yuri/het.

>Personally I can't be bothered with the pigeonholing fandom has become
>obsessed with.

Neither do I, really. If I must rate what I write, I use analogies to the MPAA rating system, and I tend to ignore genre labels beyond using "xover" (which is pretty much everything I write anyway). But it helps to be aware of what other people are doing when you're browsing through an archive and want to steer away from lemon yaoi (and, possibly, steer towards lemon yuri). While I certainly have a curmudgeonly streak, I've come to accept the shifts in definition. I guess it's not that tough for me, since I'm not really deeply involved in fanfic in any way (although I'm about to plunge neck deep into it when my current project sees the light of day).

-- Sean --

http://www.thebrokenlink.org The Broken Link 4.0 is live!
"All tribal myths are true, for a given value of 'true'." -- Terry Pratchett
Follow my random thoughts
Follow my creative process

Lime.. roflmao

I was just drinking a corona and thinking "Hey! I forgot my lime" and added "add a slice of lime" to my post.

Oh man.. I think I'm not gonna be done laughing for a long time here.

-Malis out
AO-Rimuldar

Well, I was being silly, protesting UF's lack of a particular thing I thought was represented by "lime" in the shorthand of online fandom; from there it bogged down into a terminology muddle and gave Zoner an opportunity to check out the view from his high horse again. Go figure...

--G.
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Otakon made me cranky.

-MegaZone, megazone@megazone.org
Personal Homepage http://www.megazone.org/
Eyrie Productions FanFic http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
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Otakon Gin makes a man MEAN!!

(Sorry, sorry, just had to get that one out...)

(and I'll bet no one gets the reference either.)

--
Geoff Depew - Mephron
Haberdasher to Androids, Malakite of Lightning and Angel of Tech Support Professionals
(They won't give me LARTs, they say that's restricted to Michael.)

Everybody booze up and RIOT!

--G.
a wedge of spite
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Woohoo. someone got it. All is good.

--
Geoff Depew - Mephron
Haberdasher to Androids, Malakite of Lightning and Angel of Tech Support Professionals
(They won't give me LARTs, they say that's restricted to Michael.)

Zoner nearly stepped on a close acquaintance of mine at a recent 'con in California (recent as being within this calendar year). Gave her large, black-leather-clad boyfriend a mini-cd, and meaundered off.

I stole the CD a couple months ago. I keep meaning to hook up a trayed CD-rom so I can check it for "the chord from hell".

me? well, I was in Alaska at the time. I don't go to 'cons.. to broke.

Wouldn't be CA - it would have to have been either KatsuCon or ACen.

-MegaZone, megazone@megazone.org
Personal Homepage http://www.megazone.org/
Eyrie Productions FanFic http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
See what I'm selling on eBay

Ironically, that's what I'd figured you meant. That's why I was mildly amusied when everyone else started looking for yaoi and/or PG-13 love scenes in UF. I just threw my two cents in because it was pretty clear that some of the anime fanfic curmudgeons weren't entirely familiar with the usage shifts the terms "lime" and "lemon" have undergone in recent years.

-- Sean --
not that I was up until relatively recently...
http://www.thebrokenlink.org The Broken Link 4.0 is live!
"All tribal myths are true, for a given value of 'true'." -- Terry Pratchett
Follow my random thoughts
Follow my creative process

Ah well, it gave everyone a chance to rant about how annoying fanfiction can get at times. Who gives a damn how it's classified?

This was amusing though.

Matrix Dragon

Yes indeed. I sure as hell got a good laugh out of it. :)

-Malis out
AO-Rimuldar

A relatively liberal interpretation of "recent", IMO, at least in terms of Internet Time. I've been following anime fanfic since around 1995 and lime/lemon have always had this "recent" meaning to me.

-- Bob
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"Shinji. Same name as the master key -- well done, Ikari. Shinji can't be copied. Splendid plan." -- Tabris, in Tenshi Muyo! Rei-o-ohki

Oh -that-.

I loathed it the first time.

-MegaZone, megazone@megazone.org
Personal Homepage http://www.megazone.org/
Eyrie Productions FanFic http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
See what I'm selling on eBay

My apologies. Feel free to nuke it out of the thread, if you wish.

-- Bob
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"Shinji. Same name as the master key -- well done, Ikari. Shinji can't be copied. Splendid plan." -- Tabris, in Tenshi Muyo! Rei-o-ohki

Well, y'know... Rod is a giant twink, and Mercutio is his apprentice. Though I think Truss and I might have been able to Turn him at Katsucon 2K. I hear he likes SOS. :)

--G.
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Now all you need to do is write something that Jeanne Hedge likes.

Polychrome

Hee. Jeanne and I actually have a relatively civil relationship when our paths cross; she just really dislikes my writing. :)

--G.
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Matrix Dragon

Maybe if you had included some friggin' context, I could have told you.

--G.
curmudgeonly tonight
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Tracing the little lines on the tree diagram, it appears he means the Rod M/Mercutio whatsis that I posted. And I'll answer to the best of my ability -- I can't remember where I found it. As far as I can tell from its position in my quote file, I came across it sometime around January, but that's all I can determine.

-- Bob
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"Shinji. Same name as the master key -- well done, Ikari. Shinji can't be copied. Splendid plan." -- Tabris, in Tenshi Muyo! Rei-o-ohki

Oh.

Boy, I sound like I was feeling cranky last night... I suppose having committed an appalling mental lapse for almost two solid games of bowling will do that...

--G.
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