I think it's safe to say one way or another that the events of Book 4 did not occur and will not have occured, partly because of A) Gryph's already repeatedly-stated opinions of the ending of Book 3, and B) There's no way with our currently established setting that even I could explain and restore the city to its "pristine" state that we've seen so far in UF after the end of Book 4. ^_-;;

So don't hold your breath. ^_^;

--- Philip
(finally replying to something in this subforum in months... ^_^;; )

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I'll pretend to be shocked.

But hey, at least they've worked out you don't blame the hero! Republic City is learning! (Although that started back when they gave Korra a statue)

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter

That, and learning that ANYTHING can become revenue for the city if they turn it into a Tourist Attraction. :) Come see the Spirit Wilds! Commune with Nature and the Spirits! Visit the Great Tree of City Hall! Enjoy the modern amenities of the Future Industries-renovated Central Station! :)

--- Philip

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... Wait. We're going to have Asami, Varrick and Zhu Li heading up the reconstruction. (When the honeymoons are over) This has interesting mental images.

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Huh. That's odd, I was just thinking about Hiroshi this morning, but not in any sort of redemptive context. It's a pretty important backstory beat in my notes that he died of natural causes in prison in 185 ASC, which does not bear a coincidental relationship to the fact that his granddaughter Hikari was born in 186.

>Zhu Li
>having enough of Varricks crap was one of the greatest things ever,

This is one of those things that falls under the "was basically inevitable" category (see below).

>the Original Beifong remains awesome, and I kinda want you to at least
>fit a variant of some of these events into UF, just to see how you
>explain the new spirit portal in the middle of Republic City that
>somehow Utena didn't notice :)

... Yeah, see, we know from basically the entire Dìqiú Suite that that didn't happen, and it's very well-established in Try Again that Korra had never met Toph before Corwin's wedding. so...

Basically, here's the deal: Nothing from the canon after about the midway point of the series-3 episode "The Stakeout" happened in UF. Anything here that resembles an item from later in the series than that is probably either a coincidence or something that just couldn't possibly have turned out any other way. That thing Korra tried to do in that episode that only didn't work because the writers were bent on doing what they did to her in the finale instead? It worked.

--G.
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Well, that still works here. His plotline in Book 4 was that he'd had a lot of time to think, and come to realize he'd made an incredible series of mistakes back in Book 1. He reached out to Asami, who was suspicious, but willing to at least give him a chance. Then come the finale, Lin grabbed him from the prison on the grounds they needed all the engineers they could get (And if the prison was still standing afterwards, they could shove him back in), and he ends up playing the old Redemption Equals Death card.

Without the Earth Empire crisis, it makes sense he stayed in prison, and may or may not have made some peace with his daughter.

>>Zhu Li
>>having enough of Varricks crap was one of the greatest things ever,
>
>This is one of those things that falls under the "was basically
>inevitable" category (see below).

Yeah, now I'm wondering if she ended up taking Varrick back in once she'd smacked some sense into him. Their interactions once she made it clear they'd be working as equals were awesome.

>... Yeah, see, we know from basically the entire
>Dìqiú Suite that that didn't happen,

Like I said, I was imagining a 'How the hell did I not notice that?' 'You were distracted by Corwin?' 'Thanks Wakaba' moment.

>and it's
>very well-established in Try Again that Korra had never met
>Toph before Corwin's wedding. so...

"Nice to see you again Twinkletoes."

>Basically, here's the deal: Nothing from the canon after about the
>midway point of the series-3 episode "The Stakeout" happened in UF.
>Anything here that resembles an item from later in the series than
>that is probably either a coincidence or something that just couldn't
>possibly have turned out any other way. That thing Korra tried
>to do in that episode that only didn't work because the writers were
>bent on doing what they did to her in the finale instead? It worked.

That works for me. And I can't imagine too much that HAD to happen in Book 4, really. Almost everything in it was based off Zaheer's effort to burn down everything he touches. And hey, that means Kuvira got to avoid going 'Peace through Tyranny', likely married Batarr Jr, and maybe even got to help Korra smack some sense into the Earth Queen. Happy ending!

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter

And if I'm remembering the timing right, that means Korra never hears the term "Red Lotus," so your joke about the drinking society still works!

Well, she'll have heard of it - after their little chat in the Spirit World, Zaheer ended up working for her, in one of those your-kung-fu-is-best-how-may-I-serve-you-master kind of things - but it won't remind her of being tortured fifteen-sixteenths of the way to death; instead it reminds her of the least useful but most earnest minion she ever had, which is probably still good for a little smile when Gryphon brings up an organization by the same name that obviously has nothing to do with it. Instead of, you know, the post-traumatic flashback it would probably cause in a setting derived from the full canon.

So, as Kei would put it, take the win, right?

--G.
"Keep your voice down, Zaheer, we're in a library."
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... really?

Really?

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Stopped clock, etc. :)

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http://michaeldantedimartino.tumblr.com/post/105916326500/korrasami-confirmed-now-that-korra-and-asamis

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And the other one.

http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter

SS Korrasami... Bon Voyage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY1foCVjrM0

(there are clips of the video in the corner so you can see what the people are reacting to)

One of my favorite reactions is from SEANIMENET, the 1st (and last) person you see. Total eye popped, jaw dropped, stuttering OMFG-ness. Also from 101DUDE (a girl with long hair who is practically hyperventilating). Then there's BOOM SHACKALACKA ("There is a god. There is a god. Jesus loves me, yes I know"). And finally the AVATAR CHIE group: 4 happy girls, and one guy with absolutely no reaction at all!

Jeanne

	Jeanne Hedge http://www.jhedge.com 1st Courier of the Heavenly Prophets for Tianxia "Never give up, never surrender!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU4WoLeQnHk

Jeanne

	Jeanne Hedge http://www.jhedge.com 1st Courier of the Heavenly Prophets for Tianxia "Never give up, never surrender!"