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"Starfuries?"
 
   What exactly are Starfuries doing in UF?

Especially competing with Star Wars/Anime fighters, and Star Trek scale technology.

No shields, little armor, and poor weapons; sure, they work well in the B5 universe, but the B5 universe has a sharper power/size ratio curve then UF.

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Gryphonadmin
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1. "RE: Starfuries?"
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   >No shields, little armor, and poor weapons; sure, they work well in
>the B5 universe, but the B5 universe has a sharper power/size ratio
>curve then UF.

How do you know they don't have shields? I mean, sure, they don't in B5, because nothing does - the technology doesn't exist in that universe.

If I worried about crap like that, I'd go insane just trying to balance all the different kinds of starships against each other on their relative canonical merits. Things adapt to function in the universe they're in. (Just ask Utena. :)

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3. "RE: Starfuries?"
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   >How do you know they don't have shields? I mean, sure, they don't in
>B5, because nothing does - the technology doesn't exist in that
>universe.

Not quite true actually... in the episode where Sheridan persuades Kosh to send some Vorlon ships to engage the Shadows (Interludes and Examinations, I think), the first time a Shadow ship fires on a Vorlon cruiser, the beam appears to be interdicted by some sort of shield.

Also, according to Agents of Gaming's Babylon 5 Wars products (which, according to a note by JMS in the most recent rules compilation, is canon*), the Vorlons possess an "EM Shield" (a less effective version of which is mounted on the White Stars). Some of the other First Ones have variations on the theme. Also, the Abbai and Brakiri have a "Gravitic Shield", which is not as effective.

*Presumably unless and until he decides otherwise.

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5. "RE: Starfuries?"
In response to message #3
 
   LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-01 AT 07:40 PM (EDT)

>>How do you know they don't have shields? I mean, sure, they don't in
>>B5, because nothing does - the technology doesn't exist in that
>>universe.
>
>Not quite true actually...

Saying shields are an extant technology in the B5 universe because the Vorlons have them is like saying a plague of frogs is a viable military weapon because God used one against the Egyptians in Exodus. :)

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6. "RE: Starfuries?"
In response to message #5
 
   >Saying shields are an extant technology in the B5 universe
>because the Vorlons have them is like saying a plague of frogs
>is a viable military weapon because God used one against the Egyptians
>in Exodus. :)

True, although the Abbai and the Brakiri are hardly in the same league with the Vorlons.

Incidentally, just out of curiosity and before I embarass myself any further, is anyone at EPU into B5W? I realize that this wouldn't necessarily have much bearing on what shows up in UF, but still...

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10. "RE: Starfuries?"
In response to message #6
 
   >Incidentally, just out of curiosity and before I embarass myself any
>further, is anyone at EPU into B5W?

As our esteemed Texan has been known to put it, do wha?

(Translation, in this case: "I am unable to expand those initials. Please specify.")

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12. "RE: Starfuries?"
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   >(Translation, in this case: "I am unable to expand those initials.
>Please specify.")

Babylon 5 Wars.

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13. "RE: Starfuries?"
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   >>(Translation, in this case: "I am unable to expand those initials.
>>Please specify.")
>
>Babylon 5 Wars.

Never heard of it. Video game or something?

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15. "RE: Starfuries?"
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   >Never heard of it. Video game or something?

Nope, tabletop miniatures, sort of like Warhammer 40K, though not as elaborate. I don't play it, I just collect the supplements because I think they're neat.

http://www.agentsofgaming.com/b5w.htm

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16. "RE: Starfuries?"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-01 AT 10:27 PM (EDT)

>>Never heard of it. Video game or something?
>
>Nope, tabletop miniatures, sort of like Warhammer 40K, though
>not as elaborate. I don't play it, I just collect the supplements
>because I think they're neat.

Nope. The only miniatures game I ever played was Battletech, and the last time I played that was many years ago. I did once have a couple of the Ral Partha Star Fleet Battles ship miniatures, because I thought they were keen. Wish I still had them, especially the little K't'inga.

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17. "RE: Starfuries?"
In response to message #15
 
   >>Never heard of it. Video game or something?
>
>Nope, tabletop miniatures, sort of like Warhammer 40K, though
>not as elaborate. I don't play it, I just collect the supplements
>because I think they're neat.
>
>http://www.agentsofgaming.com/b5w.htm

He's right, but there's a series of computer games based off of the Star Trek take on the same game- which is the senior by about twenty years. Starfleet Command, and sequels, if you're wondering.

SC2 is a bit heavy for my comp, and buggy besides, but SC is a lot of fun.

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7. "RE: Starfuries?"
In response to message #5
 
   >Saying shields are an extant technology in the B5 universe
>because the Vorlons have them is like saying a plague of frogs
>is a viable military weapon because God used one against the Egyptians
>in Exodus. :)
>
<SHATTER>

Although one could argue that the burning hail might be equivalent to an incendiary cluster bomb...

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2. "RE: Starfuries?"
In response to message #0
 
   LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-01 AT 06:53 PM (EDT)

>What exactly are Starfuries doing in UF?
>
>Especially competing with Star Wars/Anime fighters, and Star Trek
>scale technology.
>
>No shields, little armor, and poor weapons; sure, they work well in
>the B5 universe, but the B5 universe has a sharper power/size ratio
>curve then UF.

Given that the Starfury exists, I'd say that, having been developed in the environment of UF, the Starfury has been designed to take advantage of all the neato starfighter tech available- shields, et al.

At a guess, I'd also say that the UF Starfury compares to its competition the same way the B5 one does. That is, reasonably tough and fast, tremendously overgunned and stupidly agile. Either a well armed medium or a light heavy.

If I'm right, then either Amanda is some kinda pilot or the Lightning is on the big nasty end of the heavy spectrum. Or both.

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4. "RE: Starfuries?"
In response to message #2
 
   LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-01 AT 07:35 PM (EDT)

>If I'm right, then either Amanda is some kinda pilot or the Lightning
>is on the big nasty end of the heavy spectrum. Or both.

Sort of both. Lockheed's Lightning IV is one of the contenders for the current (2405) state of the art in medium fixed configuration space superiority fighters, along with Incom's latest rev of the Dragonfly (T-65E), GENOM's TIE Advanced Mark II, and the Klingon Bloodsword class. The Klingon is the most heavily armed of the bunch, the X-Wing the sturdiest, the TIE Advanced the most agile. The Lightning IV is the most balanced, the best all-around performer.

The F-71 Starfury is an aging design by 2405, but still quite potent. It's not very heavily armed for its class (only two blaster cannons in the chin, much like the TIE/ln it was developed to fight), but is extremely agile and maneuvers in ways which are bizarre and unintuitive to the classically trained UF-universe fighter pilot. They're also fairly sturdy, although their engine configuration makes them much more vulnerable to maneuver-impairing damage than, say, an X-Wing.

General Dynamics' next offering, the YF-90 Thunderbolt, is in the testing phase as of Courtship. It's shaping up to be a fifth contender for the title the Lightning IV is vying for - chances are GD's selection of the name for their new baby isn't a coincidence. With the Earth Alliance becoming ever more suspicious of the Wedge Defense Force (which is standardizing its medium fighter fleet on the L4), military technologists theorize that Earthforce specifically asked GD to come up with a Lightning-killer when they offered the contract for the Starfury's replacement.

So, basically, neither fighter is as heavy as you think, which balances out so that your statement still basically holds true. Amanda Dessler is a hell of a pilot; she wouldn't be a Flight Leader in the Imperial Gamilon Navy if she wasn't. She had help, too; Rina Dragonaar's not too rotten either. (Her gunnery skills are actually better than Amanda's.)

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8. "RE: Starfuries?"
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   >With the Earth Alliance becoming ever more suspicious of the
>Wedge Defense Force

This begs the question.... why? Is it the Alliance being paranoid, or is something odd going on with Daver and Noriko in charge?

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9. "RE: Starfuries?"
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   >This begs the question.... why? Is it the Alliance being paranoid, or
>is something odd going on with Daver and Noriko in charge?

I think it has more to do with the fact that (take your pick):
a) the WDF not only disapproves of the assorted EA Psi-corps-related stuff, but refuses to help them
b) WDF was founded by a bunch of Earthers who not only don't live there any more, but tend to hang a round with a lot of wierd aliens
c) EA came into being before the return of the WDF, and isn't thrilled that there's someone bigger than them on the block
d) The WDF has neater toys than they do :)
e) The Alliance really is paranoid
...anything else?

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11. "RE: Starfuries?"
In response to message #9
 
   >>This begs the question.... why? Is it the Alliance being paranoid, or
>>is something odd going on with Daver and Noriko in charge?
>
>I think it has more to do with the fact that (take your pick):
>a) the WDF not only disapproves of the assorted EA Psi-corps-related
>stuff, but refuses to help them

This is certainly part of it. The WDF is based out of the Republic of Zeta Cygni (its founders, though retired from the Force, still have their fingers on its pulse, and are the Zeta Cygni government), which is hostile to many of the Alliance's internal and external policies, including the expanding powers of the Psi Corps and the EA's growing dominance over the United Federation of Planets.

>b) WDF was founded by a bunch of Earthers who not only don't live
>there any more, but tend to hang a round with a lot of wierd aliens

We were, in fact, wanted criminals on Earth between 1992 and 2000, when the United Earth Nations joined the United Galactica and that whole misunderstanding with the US Air Force back in '92 was cleared up. Relations between the WDF and Earth's various governments have been somewhat uneven ever since.

>c) EA came into being before the return of the WDF, and isn't thrilled
>that there's someone bigger than them on the block

Not actually true; the Earth Alliance is an artifact of the aftermath of the War of Corporate Occupation. It was founded in 2389, during the cleanup after GENOM pulled out of the Centauri Sector. Earthdome incorporates some elements of early constituted world-government bodies, including the UN and Olympus, but it's a relatively new entity.

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14. "RE: Starfuries?"
In response to message #11
 
   >We were, in fact, wanted criminals on Earth between 1992 and
>2000, when the United Earth Nations joined the United Galactica and
>that whole misunderstanding with the US Air Force back in '92 was
>cleared up. Relations between the WDF and Earth's various governments
>have been somewhat uneven ever since.
>
D'oh! I forgot about that little bit...

>Not actually true; the Earth Alliance is an artifact of the aftermath
>of the War of Corporate Occupation. It was founded in 2389, during
>the cleanup after GENOM pulled out of the Centauri Sector. Earthdome
>incorporates some elements of early constituted world-government
>bodies, including the UN and Olympus, but it's a relatively new
>entity.
>
I stand corrected.

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18. "RE: Starfuries?"
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>The F-71 Starfury is an aging design by 2405, but still quite
>potent. It's not very heavily armed for its class (only two blaster
>cannons in the chin, much like the TIE/ln it was developed to fight),

Now, this is one of those rare occasions where I'm not sure of something. I may be right, I may be wrong, but I'm usually confident in my opinions. =P
What I'm not sure about is the nomenclature 'TIE/ln'. In TIE Fighter, it was 'TIE/In', I thought, and referred to the TIE Interceptor. But the Interceptor definitely did NOT have chin-mounted lasers, it had four wingtip lasers, one of its big improvements over the original TIE Deathtrap, aside from solar panels you could actually -see- past and improved maneuverability and speed. Are you referring to the basic TIE with 'TIE/ln'? And if so, what does 'ln' stand for?

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19. "RE: Starfuries?"
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   >>The F-71 Starfury is an aging design by 2405, but still quite
>>potent. It's not very heavily armed for its class (only two blaster
>>cannons in the chin, much like the TIE/ln it was developed to fight),

>What I'm not sure about is the nomenclature 'TIE/ln'. In TIE Fighter,
>it was 'TIE/In', I thought, and referred to the TIE Interceptor. But
>the Interceptor definitely did NOT have chin-mounted lasers, it had
>four wingtip lasers, one of its big improvements over the original TIE
>Deathtrap, aside from solar panels you could actually -see- past and
>improved maneuverability and speed. Are you referring to the basic TIE
>with 'TIE/ln'? And if so, what does 'ln' stand for?

The TIE/In was the interim replacement for the original TIE Fighter. The truth is that what we see in the the Star Wars movies are technically TIE/Ins, not original TIEs. The TIE/In had a superior hull construction to the original TIE (from tin can to thicker tin can), superior power supply (allowing for longer flights), and heavier lasers. The TIE Interceptor used the data from the TIE/In to develop a Space Superiority Fighter commensurate with the Incom T-65, AKA the X-Wing.

This is all Star Wars information, and may or may not jibe with UF. (Personal theory: TIE/Ins were kept in use because, well, with the WDF gone, the ultimate in SSF was nonusable and the TIE Interceptors weren't as needed. When the WDF came back, Largo quietly informed them that yes, as a matter of fact, we DO need these now. As there's no real statement as to Interceptors being used in UF4 - just TIE fighters - we don't know what all was used in that battle.)

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20. "RE: Starfuries?"
In response to message #19
 
   >The TIE/In was the interim replacement for the original TIE Fighter.
>The truth is that what we see in the the Star Wars movies are
>technically TIE/Ins, not original TIEs. The TIE/In had a superior
>hull construction to the original TIE (from tin can to thicker tin
>can), superior power supply (allowing for longer flights), and heavier
>lasers. The TIE Interceptor used the data from the TIE/In to develop
>a Space Superiority Fighter commensurate with the Incom T-65, AKA the
>X-Wing.
>
>This is all Star Wars information, and may or may not jibe with UF.

Mephron more or less gets a cookie. It is "ln", not "In" - hard to tell in non-serifed fonts, but I dug around for quite a while in gaming source materials to confirm it.

Basically, what happened was this: Rayna Tangril, a GENOM fighter pilot with an engineering background, looked at the state of the art in GENOM's space fighters fairly early in her career, around 2350, and saw that there was a better way to do things. The problem was, her vision was something more along the lines of the TIE Advanced, and she couldn't get a project as bold as that approved in the corporate climate at the time. She had to keep refining her proposed fighter type, stripping it down, until she finally arrived at the no-frills-at-all T.I.E. type. It wasn't what she wanted to build, and it wouldn't improve a GENOM pilot's chances much, but the Lancer II was so old and outclassed at that point that the T.I.E. wasn't a step down, anyway.

The TIE/ln was an improved T.I.E., introduced as much to test the waters for the possibility of refining the series as to actually improve the breed. She got it through without much trouble, and her influence within the Military Arm was growing. The TIE/i (Interceptor) was the next step, and was actually a fairly large leap toward what she was after. It was a fairly capable starfighter, pretty fast, very agile and decently armed, though it still lacked shields. It was the standard GENOM fighter by the War of Corporate Occupation, and the TIE/a (Advanced) was in the prototype stages, though not well-funded.

After that, it took a couple of years for things to settle, which is why she was still flying the TIE/a x1 prototype in Twilight. In the new GENOM climate, her ideas met with a much more receptive audience, and the Military Arm had standardized on the TIE/a by 2396.

In 2405, they're still standardized on an improved version (Mark III), but the next generation is rumored to be on the drawing board.

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21. "RE: Starfuries?"
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>Basically, what happened was this: Rayna Tangril, a GENOM fighter
>pilot with an engineering background, looked at the state of the art
>in GENOM's space fighters fairly early in her career, around 2350, and
>saw that there was a better way to do things. The problem was, her
>vision was something more along the lines of the TIE Advanced, and she
>couldn't get a project as bold as that approved in the corporate
>climate at the time. She had to keep refining her proposed fighter
>type, stripping it down, until she finally arrived at the
>no-frills-at-all T.I.E. type. It wasn't what she wanted to build, and
>it wouldn't improve a GENOM pilot's chances much, but the Lancer II
>was so old and outclassed at that point that the T.I.E. wasn't a step
>down, anyway.
>
>The TIE/ln was an improved T.I.E., introduced as much to test the
>waters for the possibility of refining the series as to actually
>improve the breed. She got it through without much trouble, and her
>influence within the Military Arm was growing. The TIE/i
>(Interceptor) was the next step, and was actually a fairly large leap
>toward what she was after. It was a fairly capable starfighter,
>pretty fast, very agile and decently armed, though it still lacked
>shields. It was the standard GENOM fighter by the War of Corporate
>Occupation, and the TIE/a (Advanced) was in the prototype stages,
>though not well-funded.
>
>After that, it took a couple of years for things to settle, which is
>why she was still flying the TIE/a x1 prototype in Twilight.
>In the new GENOM climate, her ideas met with a much more receptive
>audience, and the Military Arm had standardized on the TIE/a by 2396.
>
>In 2405, they're still standardized on an improved version (Mark III),
>but the next generation is rumored to be on the drawing board.

Ah, excellent! Thanks for the information, I appreciate it. I should go back to TIE Fighter and see exactly whether it was TIE/In or TIE/ln...it has, after all, been a while. Since you're not using Assault Gunboats and there's only one more generation of TIE Fighters to go (the "man, Rayna must have been on the GOOD stuff when she designed this, but damn it still rocks" TIE Defender), I imagine we'll be in Advanced revisions for a while yet. Hopefully they'll get better shields. The ones they had were very flimsy...A-wing level, certainly.

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22. "RE: Starfuries?"
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   >Since you're not using
>Assault Gunboats

Oh, the Delta class (or "Star Wing", if you prefer) is around; I just didn't mention it because it's not one of Rayna's designs. It's a product of one of GENOM's subsidiaries, Cygnus Spaceworks (most famous for the Lambda-class personnel shuttle).

The Experts of Justice have contracted with Cygnus for a warp-powered variant of the Delta, tentatively named the Epsilon class, to provide patrol sensor and fighter capabilities to the newly-formed Special Projects Division's small space fleet.

(We don't call them gunboats because a gunboat is a small warship, not a medium space fighter.)

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23. "RE: Starfuries?"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-25-01 AT 05:55 PM (EDT)

>>Since you're not using
>>Assault Gunboats
>
>Oh, the Delta class (or "Star Wing", if you prefer) is around;
>I just didn't mention it because it's not one of Rayna's designs.
>It's a product of one of GENOM's subsidiaries, Cygnus Spaceworks (most
>famous for the Lambda-class personnel shuttle).
>
>The Experts of Justice have contracted with Cygnus for a warp-powered
>variant of the Delta, tentatively named the Epsilon
>class, to provide patrol sensor and fighter capabilities to the
>newly-formed Special Projects Division's small space fleet.
>
>(We don't call them gunboats because a gunboat is a small warship, not
>a medium space fighter.)

Aaaaah. Damn...now that you mention it I remember seeing the 'Star Wing' a long time ago and wondering if you renamed the Gunboats like you did the X and Y-wings...after all, TIE Fighter was the only spaceflight sim I'd had any real knowledge of way back when. Never did get into the Wing Commanders. Thanks for clearing that up. Now all we need is the introduction of the ridiculous (but oh so handy) Missile Boat. Then again, that won't be for another aeon or so. Give or take a few millennia.

<editing to include paragraph here:>

Hmm...could the Epsilon be a rename of the Escort Shuttle? It was a bigger version of the Lambda, a fixed three-wing design with three wingtip lasers and a rear turret. You learned to fear that turret if you didn't have shields. =P But I'm quite sure it was a Cygnus design, oddly enough.


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24. "RE: Starfuries?"
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   >Aaaaah. Damn...now that you mention it I remember seeing the 'Star
>Wing' a long time ago and wondering if you renamed the Gunboats like
>you did the X and Y-wings...

Actually, no. The TIE Fighter game materials call the Delta class Xg-1 "Star Wing" several times - the nickname refers, according to the game manual, to the gunboat's five variable-configuration wings.

>Now all we
>need is the introduction of the ridiculous (but oh so handy) Missile
>Boat.

Don't hold your breath. I didn't like the Missile Boat.

>Hmm...could the Epsilon be a rename of the Escort Shuttle?

No, it's nowhere near that big. It's basically an Xg-1 with warp nacelles mounted ski-fashion under its fuselage. Single-place warp-capable multirole astrofighter.

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