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"DSMP-PF 05: A Suitable Facility"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-22 AT 02:42 PM (EDT)
 
Reminder: This story takes place at the end of D-term in the 2409–10 school year—that is, several months before Volume 3 of The Federation Lives Forever!, which is set at the beginning of the 2410–11 school year. This message probably seems unnecessary if you're reading this at any time other than when the story was released, but hey ho.

Wednesday, May 5, 2410
Deedlit Satori Mandeville Memorial Institute
Jeraddo, Republic of Bajor

The afternoon was grey and drizzly, but morale was relatively good as the charter members of the DSM Armor Club gathered in their club's temporary quarters in the Stanley Shops for their third weekly meeting. A cryptic email from the Student Council Committee on Activities had them all wondering what was up, and they chatted among themselves about it as they doffed their rain gear and took their seats around the table in what was usually the Mechanical Technology Department's faculty conference room.

"Why can't Councilor Kadotani ever just come right out and say what's going on?" Saori Takebe wondered as she stood her umbrella in the stand by the door. "'Make extra sure you don't miss this week's meeting, big news,' indeed. Who misses the last meeting of the term anyway?"

"Eh, you know how Anzu is," opined Nora Southwell Ozaki. "She just likes to be dramatic."

"I heard that!" declared the selfsame councilor's voice from the side doorway leading to the faculty offices. Then, grinning, she went on, "And I can't deny it. Is everybody here?"

"Just waitin' on Yukari," said Nora, and then, "Ah, here she is now."

"Sorry everyone!" Yukari Akiyama declared, bursting in from the corridor entrance. "Kind of a traffic jam getting out of Professor Stuvek's final. Nobody finished early," she added with a wry grimace.

"I like your raincoat, Yukari," said Hana Isuzu, nodding toward the long grey garment Yukari was in the process of climbing out of. "Is it military-surplus?"

"Close!" Yukari replied, brushing some water from the coat before she hung it up. "It's Miho-dono's, from her old school."

Nora arched an eyebrow at her roommate. "You guys are wearin' each other's clothes now?" she wondered.

Miho Nishizumi reddened slightly, but didn't quite deny it, replying only, "I bought a new one with my DSM uniforms, so I didn't need it any more."

"Right, that's everybody, then," Anzu declared from the head of the table, forestalling any further investigation Nora might have made.

Turning, the club members saw that their faculty advisor, Fujiwara no Moko, had followed her in from the offices and was now leaning in the corner, hands in the pockets of her jumpsuit, as she usually did when the Student Activities chairwoman was rolling. A moment later a third person joined the two: a middle-aged man, lanky and greying, who wore a uniform that some of them placed, after a moment's thought, as Wedge Defense Force utility fatigues.

"Well, then, I guess I'll call this meeting to order," said Nora, who was nominally the club president, before Anzu could do it for her. "Shall we dispense with the reading of the minutes? Old business? Good, good. OK, new business. Anzu, what've you got for us?"

"Brisk! I like it," said Anzu, winking. "I've got two big pieces of news for you, ladies. First, let me introduce our guest." Gesturing to the man in the WDF uniform, she went on, "This is Lieutenant Colonel Hiram Clanton of the 3rd WDF Engineer Battalion. Take it away, Colonel!"

With a slight smile, Clanton moved into the space at the head of the table as she vacated it for him, then nodded around to the club members.

"Ladies," he said. "As Councilor Kadotani said, I'm with the WDF Corps of Engineers. A few years ago, the 110th Engineer Company, then under my command, built this campus. When we did, we designed in a few spaces for future expansion." Nodding toward the windows that faced out of one wall, he added, "You may have noticed one of them on the far side of the road yonder."

Producing a data solid, he plugged it into the table's presentation system. After a moment's computation, the central holojector glowed to life and drew what the onlookers quickly recognized as a virtual view of this corner of the campus: the shops building, the near end of the straight east-west road the Motor Club kids used as a drag strip, and the empty field beyond it. In a few seconds, another building materialized in the vacant area.

It was a long, low affair of brick and metal, in a similar architectural idiom to the Shops themselves, but sporting a larger number of big steel rolling doors in the north and west sides—the ones facing toward the Drag Strip and off across the empty countryside immediately to the south of the campus proper. Like the Shops, it had an industrial feel to it, resembling some sort of warehouse or hangar.

To no one's great surprise, Yukari recognized it immediately. "That's a WDF vehicle depot!" she blurted.

Clanton nodded, smiling. "Right you are, Miss Akiyama," he said, and in her surprise over the building, it wouldn't occur to her until later to wonder how he knew her name. "One of our standard prefab kits, ready to assemble anyplace the Armored Corps needs to be stood up in a hurry. The Roebling is 12 hours behind me with everything we need, so God willing and the crick don't rise, we ought to have you squared away in time for the weekend."

"Squared...?" Miho mumbled, sounding slightly puzzled. Then, blinking, she said, "You mean—"

"Exactly!" said Anzu. "This is your new clubhouse!" She folded her arms with a triumphant grin. "I told you you'd get a suitable facility."

"An Armored Corps depot?!" said Yukari, incredulous. "That's—the standard model can service two whole companies!"

"Lots of space when you consider we only have one little tank," said Nora. "Maybe we should put in a pool."

"Well, we figured it would be best to allow for plenty of future expansion," Clanton said, then added with a wry smile, "I speak from experience when I say that once you get locked into a serious vehicle collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can."

"Where's the money coming from for all this?" asked Saori practically. "I know we're entitled to some club funding from the Student Activities budget, but..."

"That's my other big piece of news," said Anzu. "You're quite right, Takebe, a regular club budget doesn't extend to the kinds of stuff you'll be getting into. But that's nothing new around here! I mean, look at the Mecha Club, or the Vintage Aero Club. They've got some pretty big hardware too. So I did for you what I did for them. I made Momo-chan go and find you a grant!"

"You're just gonna be right up front about that, huh," said Moko matter-of-factly.

Ignoring her, Anzu went on, "The bulk of your startup funds came from the McKennsy Foundation, with ongoing support from the Institute for the Preservation of Military History. I'll get all the details into your hands as soon as possible so you can get down to business, Akiyama."

"The McKennsy Foundation I've heard of, but who the heck are that other outfit?" Nora wondered. "Where are they out of?"

"I forget, Niogi or someplace," said Anzu, waving a hand. "Doesn't matter, they're a fully accredited historical preservation charity. Momo-chan wouldn't be so sloppy as to take money from anybody shady. The point is, within a few days you'll have all the credits you need to start building up a team. Fleet! I meant fleet. And a shiny new building to keep them in!"

"That sounds lovely," said Hana, smiling.

"And very convenient," Nora added dryly.

"Um... that's great, except for one small problem," Saori put in. "The school year will be over in two days. The res halls close next weekend."

"Well, yeah, but you'll have your clubhouse by then," Anzu pointed out. "Sure, you might have to rough it a little until you get the chow hall figured out, but what's life without a little adventure?"

"I don't think my folks would be thrilled about this plan," said Saori.

"I'm pretty sure I can swing it with mine!" Yukari declared, sounding excited. "They're always after me to get involved in more school activities."

"Wasn't that instead of obsessing over tanks, though?" asked Hana.

"Details!" Yukari replied blithely.

"Well, heck, I'm game," said Nora. "Sticking around here beats dragging my butt back to Mega-City One for the muggiest part of the year. What about you, Miho?"

Miho nodded. "It sounds good to me," she agreed. "I... didn't have any plans for the summer, anyway," she added judiciously.

"I'll have to go home for at least a couple of weeks, or my parents would probably send the police after me," said Hana.

"Yeah, same here," Saori agreed.

"Speaking of which, who's going to be the Adult Supervision?" Nora wondered. "I mean, I'm 16, so technically I could be if we were on my home planet, but I dunno how it works here."

"That'd be me," said Moko.

Nora eyed her. "Who's going to be your Adult Supervision?"

Moko gave her an eyeroll, saying nothing.

"It's settled then," Anzu declared, though not everyone else at the table entirely agreed. "Colonel, thanks for your help. I'm sure everybody's looking forward to seeing you and your people work your magic."

"Yes, thanks a lot!" Yukari agreed, and the others all echoed her sentiments.

"My pleasure, ladies," said Clanton with a nod. "Just stand back and watch us do our thing."


With two days remaining in DSM's rigorous final exams period, the girls of the Armor Club had little choice but to stand back and watch the Corps work. Only at the close of each day did they have time to get out to the southeastern corner of the campus and assess the project's progress, and both times what they found was dramatic.

By Thursday after dinner, a dozen cargo dropships from the WDF heavy construction ship Washington A. Roebling were arranged in a neat formation at the edge of the site on the far side of the Drag Strip, the hole for the foundation had already been dug, and a well-organized force of work vehicles and ConstructionMechs were at work building the footings. Meanwhile, what looked like whole companies of coveralled personnel worked on the sidelines, organizing stockpiles of materials, assembling prefabricated interior segments for later installation, and a dozen other tasks the observers couldn't readily identify.

Twenty-four hours later, when the club members met up in a state of high excitement despite their end-of-finals fatigue and rushed over, they found the building outwardly complete. Where two days before had been nothing but an empty field, there now stood an entire vehicle hangar, its brickwork neat and tidy, its freshly painted steel doors and window frames gleaming in DSM red, the doors boldly numbered in white. A couple of small bulldozers and a small ConstructionMech were putting the finishing touches on the landscaping; the rest of the heavy equipment was already gone, either back to the orbiting starship or packed away in the two dropships that remained.

By the brick-paved path that led around the end of the Drag Strip to the human-scale door that was apparently the building's main entrance, Lieutenant Colonel Clanton and Professor Fujiwara stood watching while two of Clanton's engineers affixed a sign to the wall next to the door. In plain block capitals against a white background, the sign read simply,

ARMOR CLUB

"The first rule of Armor Club is you don't talk about Armor Club," Nora remarked to her clubmates in an undertone as they approached.

Yukari nodded. "The second rule of Armor Club is that you do not. Talk. About Armor Club."

"If this is your first time at Armor Club, you must... armor?" said Miho. "No, that doesn't make any sense," and they all broke up giggling.

"Ladies!" said Clanton as they came within earshot. "You're just in time." Gesturing to the building, he declared, "Your new facility is complete! Professor Fujiwara and I are about to conduct the acceptance inspection. You're more than welcome to join us—we can make it your introductory tour as well."

The two engineers, their work finished, stood to smiling attention on either side of the sign they'd just installed as their CO led Moko and the club members through the door.

"First up are the office and living quarters," Clanton explained, showing them through the former and into the main common room of the latter.

This was a spacious combination kitchen/dining room and living room, with the cooking and dining facilities at one end and a cluster of couches arranged around a holoset at the other. "This area is usually used as a briefing room in WDF service," the engineering officer explained, then added with a grin, "but the sofas are standard-issue, because that's how we roll."

They passed through a door in the side of this room and into what was unmistakably a bunkroom, with a dozen bunk beds arranged in semi-walled alcoves around the perimeter and a central table surrounded with chairs, then from there to a hallway with three smaller single-bunk bedrooms on each side—normally enlisted and officers' quarters, respectively.

"Ordinarily there are four of these residence blocks in a depot of this class," Clanton said as they inspected the officers' rooms, "but we reckoned you probably wouldn't need to put up 120 people at a time, so we converted the others into storage."

"Just to be clear, you have permission to spend the summer break here if you want, but the clubhouse isn't technically rated as an on-campus residence yet," Moko put in. "If you want to try and get it rated, you'll need to amend your club charter and apply to become a club-in-residence, like the Duelists' Society. Then you'd need a House Guide and all that stuff, which can be kind of a hassle, but some clubs think it's worth it." She shrugged. "Up to you, though, I'm not your mom."

"Well, it'd get us out of the housing lottery for next year..." Yukari mused.

"And now, we come to what you've all been waiting for—the main event," said Clanton, and without further ado, he led them through the double doors at the end of the hall and into what the blueprints rather prosaically described as the "equipment room". This took up the bulk of the building's interior volume, with the service areas arranged around the edges of one end.

To Hana, who had never seen an armored vehicle depot before, the first impression it gave was of a large, old-fashioned train station: a yawning, cavernous space underneath a ceiling that had a lot of glass in it. There were even rails in the concrete floor, running here and there, although they were embedded service tracks rather than proper railway lines with platforms alongside. Above, steel rafters spanned the space just under the many-skylighted roof, some of them supporting overhead cranes or chainfall lifts. The door numbers were repeated on the inside.

"Wow!" cried Yukari in delight. "Look at this place!" Running a few paces ahead, she spun around with her arms outstretched, taking it all in. "So much room for activities!"

"Are those 'Mech bays?" asked Nora, pointing to an arrangement of what looked like heavy scaffolding partway along one wall.

"Yes ma'am," Clanton confirmed. "That's a standard single-lance service pod, rated to support four units of up to a hundred tons apiece. There are usually six of those in one of these depots. We were gonna leave 'em out altogether, since you're not a mecha club, but we had one on hand, so we figured what the hell, you might branch out sometime." Pointing to more interior partitions and doors off to that side, he went on, "You've also got an engine shop, reactor service and overhaul facility, machine shop—all the standard goodies."

"Cooool," said Nora.

"And that's about all!" the WDF engineer concluded. "Well, actually, there's plenty more, but I don't want to spoil everything," he added with a grin. "I'll leave some of it for you to discover for yourselves."

"We'll need to get club members who want to take part in maintenance and repair activities checked out on all the equipment," said Moko.

Clanton assured her with a nod, "My people can handle that. We have a standard training program we run whenever the WDF leaves one of these facilities behind for local forces to use." Then, squaring up, he saluted and went on, "For now, I'll leave you to finish inspecting your new facility at your leisure."

Moko returned the salute with a wry smile. "I think we'll take it. Thanks, Colonel."

"Yes, thanks a lot!" said Yukari eagerly, to nods and murmurs of agreement from her clubmates.

"No trouble at all," said Clanton. "It's what we do." And with that, he departed.

"I have to admit, this is impressive," said Saori, looking around with hands on hips. "For once in her life, Kadotani wasn't exaggerating."

"They certainly do work fast around here," Miho observed. "At my old school, the planning permission alone for a new campus building would take at least a year."

"It's kind of a tradition," Saori agreed. "DSM was built that way. From empty ground to a working school in one summer vacation, after the original student body was displaced from Earth."

Hana nodded. "Ever since then, the administration has prided itself on being light on its feet and adaptable."

Yukari made another cheerful little twirl in place, trying to look at everything at once, and declared, "This is so exciting! Our own depot. With 'Mech bays and everything! Maybe we could do some collaboration with the Mecha Club. Combined arms games might be fun."

"Don't let Sterling's pet soldier hear you talk like that, the next thing you know he'll be drilling you all in assassination techniques or something," Moko remarked.

Still riding the wave, Yukari turned to Miho and declared, "We should stay here tonight! Sleep here! You know, to try it out!"

Slightly flustered, Miho couldn't find an immediate reply. Behind her, Saori and Hana shared a slightly dubious glance, but said nothing.

"Slow down, Akiyama, you'll hyperventilate," said Nora dryly.

"I'm gonna go get my stuff—" Yukari began, but before she could go on, the trill of a paging multicomm interrupted the conversation.

"Miho Nishizumi, Class 2-2, please report to the mailroom. Again."

The six looked at each other in puzzlement.

"Again?" said Miho, startled.

DSM Panic! The Panzermädchen Files
File 05: "A Suitable Facility"
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1. "RE: DSMP-PF 05: A Suitable Facility"
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   Wow, totally cool.

(or, if I were actually there in real life, I'd be bouncing up and down and hyperventilating like Akiyama)


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   >
>Still riding the wave, Yukari turned to Miho and declared, "We should
>stay here tonight! Sleep here! You know, to try it out!"
>
>"I'm gonna go get my stuff—" Yukari began...
>

Well, at least nobody has any reasonable way to complain about the quality of the facility. :)

Also, I just lost fifteen minutes reading about Washington A. Roebling, and it was fun.

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I like your raincoat, Yukari - Like a lot of Kuromorimine's gear, Miho's old school raincoat is based on a piece of World War II-vintage German Army equipment—in this case the German Army Kradmantel, originally designed to be worn by motorcyclists:

Like a lot of long coats originally designed to be worn by people who are riding things, the Kradmantel has tails that can be strapped to the rider's legs to keep them from flapping around.

the McKennsy Foundation - A charitable foundation established by a cousin of Cornelius McKennsy (the legendary MechWarrior in whose name the McKennsy Hammer, the WDF's famous award for MechWarrior excellence, was awarded) to promote non-walking (e.g., wheeled, tracked, antigravity, air-cushion, or ground-effect) armored fighting vehicles—specifically as a tongue-in-cheek continuation of the historical rivalry between MechWarriors and tankers.

Lieutenant Colonel Hiram Clanton - Last mentioned, though never actually seen, as Major Clanton back in S2E1 This Old Dorm. (The text there describes him as commanding the entire Third Battalion, despite the fact that a major is a company-grade officer. I have corrected this here by specifying that at the time he commanded the Third's 110th Company at that point, not the entire battalion as he does "now".)

wasn't that instead of obsessing over tanks - In fairness to Yukari's parents, they're not opposed to their daughter's interest in tanks per se; they just worry because back home, it was such a niche interest that it kept her from making friends. They didn't really anticipate the notion that she'd end up someplace where she could make friends with said interest in common.

who's going to be your Adult Supervision - Kaguya would probably say that's her job, although Moko would dispute that.

heavy construction ship Washington A. Roebling - The WDF CoE's heavy constructors are all named after builders and civil engineers. This particular one's namesake is Colonel Washington Augustus Roebling (1837–1926), eldest son of bridge builder and wire rope manufacturer John A. Roebling (1806–1869), who served as Chief Engineer on the construction of the Brooklyn Bridge in the 1870s and '80s, then spent the rest of his life patiently explaining to everyone who published otherwise that it was him, not his father, who built the Brooklyn Bridge. (The elder Roebling did perform the initial design work on the bridge in the 1860s, but was killed by complications from an accident while surveying the site before any actual construction happened.)

a small ConstructionMech - It's really a Future Industries Mecha-Builder, but only Yukari would recognize it as such.

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>who's going to be your Adult Supervision - Kaguya would
>probably say that's her job, although Moko would dispute that.
>

"We've determined that between the two of us, we make one responsible adult." - a standing joke in my friend circle explaining why two people live together/are snugglebunnies/get married.

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   So Nora may know who the McKennsy Foundation is, but I don't! Is this someone we've heard of before?


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   >So Nora may know who the McKennsy Foundation is, but I don't! Is this
>someone we've heard of before?

Yep! - http://www.eyrie-productions.com/Forum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=6&forum=DCForumID25






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>So Nora may know who the McKennsy Foundation is, but I don't! Is this
>someone we've heard of before?

I'd guess that the Foundation was created to oversee the awarding of McKennsy's Hammer, an honor given to leading Mechwarriors. They're probably also interested in anything that promotes the better image of mecha combat, improving skills in mecha piloting and gunnery, and other related activities.

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   >>So Nora may know who the McKennsy Foundation is, but I don't! Is this
>>someone we've heard of before?
>
>I'd guess that the Foundation was created to oversee the awarding of
>McKennsy's Hammer,
>an honor given to leading Mechwarriors. They're probably also
>interested in anything that promotes the better image of mecha combat,
>improving skills in mecha piloting and gunnery, and other related
>activities.

They're related, but sort of indirectly. The McKennsy Foundation was established by a cousin of Cornelius McKennsy's to promote non-walking (e.g., wheeled, tracked, antigravity, or ground-effect) armored fighting vehicles, as a tongue-in-cheek continuation of the historical rivalry between MechWarriors and tankers. :)

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10. "RE: notes"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-22 AT 04:49 AM (EDT)
 
So I'm hearing that there's teeeeechnically room for a 25th-century military hovercraft. Of course, there's already a 21st-century military hovercraft, the LCAC(L) or Landing Craft Air Cushion (Light), presently in service with the British Army.

There are others, of course, and the LCAC(L) is frankly one of the smaller ones when compared to something like the infamous Zubr-class of Russian naval hovercraft. However, I include it for one simple reason: it will doubtless please certain of this parish to note that the particular model used for the LCAC(L) is a Griffon. =]

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FiMFiction.net: we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have standards.

yes i know they're superseded by skimmers and antigravity vehicles but if i post a hammerhead or devilfish in here i'll get bonked on the head for forty-kay crimes. =]


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12. "RE: notes"
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   I'm sure there's some niche use for hovercraft involving low energy signatures, covert ops, and carefully selected firepower for those moments when the operation becomes less covert than originally planned.

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13. "RE: notes"
In response to message #12
 
   >I'm sure there's some niche use for hovercraft involving low energy
>signatures, covert ops, and carefully selected firepower for those
>moments when the operation becomes less covert than originally
>planned.

Ground-effect vehicles are... not subtle at all, on account of they're insanely noisy, so I doubt covert ops are really their thing. In CityTech, the BattleTech supplement where they were introduced, all non-'Mech vehicles can change facing without spending Movement Points, which is their one and only advantage over 'Mechs. I can't remember what gameplay advantage (if any) hover tanks had over tracked or wheeled vehicles, though, apart from maybe being able to traverse water hexes--maybe the game designers just thought they were cool. It's been a long, long time.

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16. "RE: notes"
In response to message #13
 
  
>Ground-effect vehicles are... not subtle at all, on account of they're
>insanely noisy, so I doubt covert ops are really their thing.

Assuming we are talking about fan-based 21st-century hovercraft, sure.

But given that we are talking about a setting with at least three different forms of gravitic technology (Federation anti-grav, Old Republic repulsorlifts, and Cybertronian antigravity pods) and several oddball tools like the Gravity Rod, quieter hover tanks are quite plausible.

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17. "RE: notes"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-10-22 AT 02:41 PM (EDT)
 
>
>>Ground-effect vehicles are... not subtle at all, on account of they're
>>insanely noisy, so I doubt covert ops are really their thing.
>
>Assuming we are talking about fan-based 21st-century hovercraft, sure.

... Which we are, since antigravity isn't ground effect. That's why they're listed separately in the original post. :)

edit: Hang on, though, I did have my terminology slightly wrong. Hovercraft aren't quite ground-effect vehicles either, since technically ground effect is a specific kind of air pressure interaction involving an airfoil. So I should have specified GEVs (also known in English as WIGEs, wing-in-ground-effect vehicles, and by their much more melodic Russian name, ekranoplan) and air-cushion vehicles.

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Someone in the 25th century must still be building ekranoplans, even though they'll have been entirely superseded by antigrav and repulsor tech, just because they're awesome.
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22. "RE: notes"
In response to message #17
 
  
>edit: Hang on, though, I did have my terminology slightly
>wrong. Hovercraft aren't quite ground-effect vehicles either,
>since technically ground effect is a specific kind of air
>pressure interaction involving an airfoil. So I should have specified
>GEVs (also known in English as WIGEs, wing-in-ground-effect vehicles,
>and by their much more melodic Russian name, ekranoplan)
>and air-cushion vehicles.

That was part of what threw me off, yes,

>--G.
>Someone in the 25th century must still be building
>ekranoplans, even though they'll have been entirely superseded by
>antigrav and repulsor tech, just because they're
>awesome.

It's a very Tesladyne/Banzai Institute sort of thing, yes.

Mario


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21. "RE: notes"
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   >all non-'Mech vehicles can change facing without spending
>Movement Points, which is their one and only advantage over 'Mechs.

While it's drifting from the topic a bit, this reminded me of Steambot Chronicles, where the game clearly expects you to continue to use bipedal mechs. But going on wheels just gives you such a ridiculous boost in maneuverability, it's not even fair. (Or realistic.)

-IA.

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37. "RE: notes"
In response to message #13
 
   >I
>can't remember what gameplay advantage (if any) hover tanks had over
>tracked or wheeled vehicles, though, apart from maybe being able to
>traverse water hexes--maybe the game designers just thought they were
>cool.

Speed. Of the ground vehicles, hover vehicles had the largest bonus to their engine power for determining movement. OTOH, they had the lowest maximum size.

One of the nasty things you could do on the cheap was a swarm of 5-tonne ramming hovercraft¹. IIRC, they had something like 12/18 movement.


1: Assuming you weren't playing with one of the editions that de facto prohibited such ramming attacks on 'mechs.

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38. "RE: notes"
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   Why bother with ramming and throwing away a vehicle when you can give each one a medium laser?

Or, later, an Improved Heavy Medium Laser... all the fun, twice the pain.

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39. "RE: notes"
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   >Or, later, an Improved Heavy Medium Laser... all the fun, twice the
>pain.

I think that was why they later adapted the rules to add extra weight in the form of some sort of energy capacitor for anything not running a fusion engine.

Or maybe it was anything that used energy weapons period?

Of COURSE you wernt
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40. "RE: notes"
In response to message #39
 
   >>Or, later, an Improved Heavy Medium Laser... all the fun, twice the
>>pain.
>
>I think that was why they later adapted the rules to add extra weight
>in the form of some sort of energy capacitor for anything not running
>a fusion engine.
>
>Or maybe it was anything that used energy weapons period?

Vehicles have to have enough heat sinks to run at zero net for any energy weapons they carry.
Vehicles without fusion engines have to have amplifier/capacitor rigs for energy weapons.

This is why Savannah Masters are so much fun, because they run a tiny ultra-cheap fusion engine (10 free heat sinks!) so they can power a laser or two with ease.

And since they cost only 80 kcreds compared to 3-4 million for a light mech....

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41. "RE: notes"
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   >Why bother with ramming and throwing away a vehicle when you can give
>each one a medium laser?

AIR, it was because the expected losses were about the same costwise but the rammers would leave you the valuable bits as salvage. That's not to say that armed hovercraft swarms weren't also something that was done.

(I also remember the speed wrong, you could get an 5-tonne ICE hovercraft up to 20/30.)

Ramming swarms were enough of a thing that at least one of FASA's anti-vehicle grudge rules was specifically crafted to make it impossible for a vehicle to ever ram a mech.

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42. "RE: notes"
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   >Ramming swarms were enough of a thing that at least one of FASA's
>anti-vehicle grudge rules was specifically crafted to make it
>impossible for a vehicle to ever ram a mech.

Huh. I can't find any such rule in the current rules set...

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43. "RE: notes"
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   For a while, (this was back in the '90s), one of the rules was "vehicles move before mechs do." This made it impossible to ram mechs because you could only ram/charge/DfA something that had already moved.

There was enough backlash over it that it was removed.

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   guys, we have a games board

i'm just sayin


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29. "RE: notes"
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   >
>They're related, but sort of indirectly. The McKennsy Foundation was
>established by a cousin of Cornelius McKennsy's to promote
>non-walking (e.g., wheeled, tracked, antigravity, or
>ground-effect) armored fighting vehicles, as a tongue-in-cheek
>continuation of the historical rivalry between MechWarriors and
>tankers. :)
>

Which is an important distinction. The Foundation in question would, in fact, be much more interested in DSM's armor club as it is NOW, than if it ever was able to add walker types (regardless of if otherwise considered tank like) to its inventory. Not to mention conflicts with the actual Mecha club?

For some reason, that last is making me ponder. We know the Mecha Club exists when Sasuke swipes "Kermit", and the Hyjinks involving he and the Top Gun crew...

Oh poop. I'm investigating this too closely, Aren't I? :(((((

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30. "RE: notes"
In response to message #29
 
   >Which is an important distinction. The Foundation in question would,
>in fact, be much more interested in DSM's armor club as it is NOW,
>than if it ever was able to add walker types (regardless of if
>otherwise considered tank like) to its inventory. Not to mention
>conflicts with the actual Mecha club?

To be clear, what Yukari was considering doing with the 'Mech bays in the Armor Club building wasn't taking up 'Mech collection, but offering to let the Mecha Club use them (since their own repair facilities presently consist of cadging bay time from the Mecha Technologies and Engineering department over in the Spencer Mecha Lab in Stanley Shops).

>For some reason, that last is making me ponder. We know the Mecha
>Club exists when Sasuke swipes "Kermit", and the Hyjinks involving he
>and the Top Gun crew...

Kermit belongs to the MechTech program, not the Mecha Club, although they do borrow it pretty routinely to use as a training partner for their Gunslinger II.

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   It's taken from Battletech where the award is an actual silver-plated hammer - and not a small one.

D.


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14. "RE: notes"
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   >It's taken from Battletech where the award is an actual silver-plated
>hammer - and not a small one.

Say what you will about the Lyran Commonwealth, they do trophies right.

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   >Say what you will about the Lyran Commonwealth, they do trophies
>right.

The only ones who do trophies better are the Magistracy of Canopus, because if you think for a second I would give up the chance to be the trophy wife of a butch lesbian mech pilot then uhhh yall don't know me well-

no traitor. no. behave yourself. you can talk about the lady mechwarrior queendom without going full sub. be strong. be strong...

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   Do you happen to have pictures of the lady in question? For science, of course.


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20. "RE: notes"
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   >Say what you will about the Lyran Commonwealth, they do trophies
>right.

Including the heir to the rulership if you do the right (or terribly wrong) thing...

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>a small ConstructionMech - It's really a Future Industries
>Mecha-Builder, but only Yukari would recognize it as such.
>

I realize this is completely not the point, that I'm off-base, I *know*, I know...

... but my brain insists on parsing that as "a mech that builds mecha".

Which conjures up highly amusing (to me, anyway) images of, like, chibi-scale destroids swarming over each other and the rapidly growing framework of an Atlas, stop-motion montage style.

Or something.

--sofaspud
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   >>a small ConstructionMech - It's really a Future Industries
>>Mecha-Builder, but only Yukari would recognize it as such.
>>
>
>I realize this is completely not the point, that I'm off-base, I
>*know*, I know...
>
>... but my brain insists on parsing that as "a mech that builds
>mecha".

C-3PO
Machines building machines? How perverse.

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>C-3PO
>Machines building machines? How perverse.

>
>--G.
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Mech Fairies, ship-girl style.


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   I know it's not what you meant but now I am imagining a lil Zaku with tiny flappy fairy wings. And now you are too. =]

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   >who's going to be your Adult Supervision - Kaguya would
>probably say that's her job, although Moko would dispute that.

Okay, but then who's Kaguya's Adult Supervision? Eirin appears to finally be on vacation. :whistles:


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   >>who's going to be your Adult Supervision - Kaguya would
>>probably say that's her job, although Moko would dispute that.
>
>Okay, but then who's Kaguya's Adult Supervision? Eirin appears to
>finally be on vacation. :whistles:

Well, according to the Hifuu Club OAVs, which are of as questionable canonicity as most animated Touhou content, Kaguya does in fact have parents, family, an army, and all that etc, back on the Moon.

How this translates to her UF incarnation, well, that's up to Gryph et al to work out.

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   >Well, according to the Hifuu Club OAVs, which are of as questionable
>canonicity as most animated Touhou content, Kaguya does in fact have
>parents, family, an army, and all that etc, back on the Moon.

Oh sure. I mean, they're all mad at her, but they do exist. :)

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   >>Well, according to the Hifuu Club OAVs, which are of as questionable
>>canonicity as most animated Touhou content, Kaguya does in fact have
>>parents, family, an army, and all that etc, back on the Moon.
>
>Oh sure. I mean, they're all mad at her, but they do exist. :)
>

Well, she did kind of ditch them to run off and move in next door to the people who'd just invaded them. Even if it was just oni being oni.

(Which brings us to the Silly Pedantic Section, wherein Rabid Crack Weasels wonder if the Lunarians are now members of the Earth Alliance, or have moved on to greener (greyer?) pastures now that Earth-folk have colonized the moon in general. Or if there's some sort of Diqiu/Zipang-like overlap going on.)

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   >(Which brings us to the Silly Pedantic Section, wherein Rabid Crack
>Weasels wonder if the Lunarians are now members of the Earth Alliance,
>or have moved on to greener (greyer?) pastures now that Earth-folk
>have colonized the moon in general. Or if there's some sort of
>Diqiu/Zipang-like overlap going on.)

Canonically, the Lunarians live in an otherspace like Gensokyo or Diqiu that happens to be colocated with the moon, not the moon itself. There was a secret war between the US government and the Lunarians, which (in my headcanon) led to the treaty that humanity would not settle on the visible side of the moon. This treaty was mentioned in Roses in Springtime.


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28. "RE: notes"
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   >Canonically, the Lunarians live in an otherspace like Gensokyo or
>Diqiu that happens to be colocated with the moon, not the moon itself.

Yeah, I reckon it's either this or a Hollow Earth Moon scenario. When in doubt, Weird Sidereal Crap. :)

Oh yeah, also:

>>Oh sure. I mean, they're all mad at her, but they do exist. :)
>
>Well, she did kind of ditch them to run off and move in next
>door to the people who'd just invaded them.

Well, if they didn't want her to renounce the Lunar Kingdom, they shouldn't have banished her to someplace more interesting and then gotten all pissy about it when she didn't want to come back.

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31. "RE: notes"
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>>who's going to be your Adult Supervision - Kaguya would
>>probably say that's her job, although Moko would dispute that.
>
>Okay, but then who's Kaguya's Adult Supervision? Eirin appears to
>finally be on vacation. :whistles:

She probably wouldn't classify managing Campus Health Services as a vacation, but it does certainly mean that she doesn't have time to cater to the Princess's every whim supervise the Princess directly. Fortunately, Kaguya isn't so high-maintenance these days. Or she's somebody else's problem. Either way. :)

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32. "oh yeah, I forgot to note"
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   When Nora talks about being just as happy not to go back to Mega-City One for the muggiest part of the year, she's not talking about the humidity. :)

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33. "RE: oh yeah, I forgot to note"
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   >When Nora talks about being just as happy not to go back to Mega-City
>One for the muggiest part of the year, she's not talking about the
>humidity. :)

I did wonder! Besides which, as Cyberpunk (the tabletop game) pointed out, there's more murders in summer simply because people aren't wearing as much armor!

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34. "RE: notes"
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   >Lieutenant Colonel Hiram Clanton - Last mentioned, though never
>actually seen, as Major Clanton back in S2E1 This Old Dorm.
>(The text there describes him as commanding the entire Third
>Battalion, despite the fact that a major is a company-grade officer.
>I have corrected this here by specifying that at the time he commanded
>the Third's 110th Company at that point, not the entire battalion as
>he does "now".)

Nice to see my (truely!) Random Access Memory is correct. When I saw his name I immediately went, "We've seen him before. But wasn't he a Major back then?" And then I vaguely remembered that he was involved with the building of DSM. Always nice to be able to pull out little references to older works, isn't it? :)

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