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remandeteam
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"I missed something"
 
   1: Earth was contacted by Salusia before ever creating an FTL drive.

2: Zephram Cochrane invented Warp drive (and, later, Metaspace gates)

What am I missing here? Is Cochrane not Earthling? Maybe he's Correlian? And was he the first to invent Warp drive (so everybody else was stuck with hyperdrive first), or just the first on his world?

--rR

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: I missed something trussteam Dec-11-01 1
  RE: I missed something Redneck Dec-11-01 2
     RE: I missed something trigger Dec-11-01 3
  RE: I missed something Gryphonadmin Dec-11-01 4
     RE: I missed something remandeteam Dec-11-01 5
         RE: I missed something Gryphonadmin Dec-11-01 6
             RE: I missed something Bodhi Dec-11-01 7
     RE: I missed something chris Dec-11-01 8
         RE: I missed something Laudre Dec-11-01 9

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trussteam
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 Dec-11-01, 10:10 AM (EDT)
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1. "RE: I missed something"
In response to message #0
 
   >What am I missing here? Is Cochrane not Earthling? Maybe he's
>Correlian? And was he the first to invent Warp drive (so everybody
>else was stuck with hyperdrive first), or just the first on his world?

I believe that before Cochrane invented warp drive, hyperspace was the only known method of FTL travel. (Except possibly for fold drive... I get the chronology on that part mixed up.)

We'll get the official answer once Gryph wakes up. :)

--truss.


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Redneck
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 Dec-11-01, 02:06 PM (EDT)
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2. "RE: I missed something"
In response to message #0
 
   >1: Earth was contacted by Salusia before ever creating an FTL drive.

1a: Earthers left the stars in small numbers well before this- especially Lord F and his cronies.

>2: Zephram Cochrane invented Warp drive (and, later, Metaspace gates)
>
>What am I missing here? Is Cochrane not Earthling?

My guess, not being in Gryph's head, is that Cochrane -is- an Earthling, recruited by Lord F before official First Contact. Warp drive existed, as a technological curiosity, before First Contact (obviously, as witness Core2), but was not practical for widespread usage before the development of the antimatter reactor, aka 'warp core', very late in the Golden Age.

Gryph?

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3. "RE: I missed something"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-11-01 AT 02:21 PM (EST)

>>1: Earth was contacted by Salusia before ever creating an FTL drive.
>
>1a: Earthers left the stars in small numbers well before this-
>especially Lord F and his cronies.
>
>>2: Zephram Cochrane invented Warp drive (and, later, Metaspace gates)
>>
>>What am I missing here? Is Cochrane not Earthling?
>
>My guess, not being in Gryph's head, is that Cochrane -is- an
>Earthling, recruited by Lord F before official First Contact. Warp
>drive existed, as a technological curiosity, before First Contact
>(obviously, as witness Core2), but was not practical for widespread
>usage before the development of the antimatter reactor, aka 'warp
>core', very late in the Golden Age.
>

Wasn't this discussed in the one of the tech guide postings? Cochrane was from earth, and was part of the design team for the extra spiffy asteroid racer. The company that they spawned was part of the WDF military complex, and survived Sonset.

Cochrane, as I understood it, was an earthling, who was granted Detian status. I believe by the time of Sonset, Warp drive existed - otherwise how would Eightball One have it?

As for when he was recruited - I don't know. I thought _Gryphon_ had recruited him. It doesn't surprised me that Cochrane would also be the one to discover metaspace.

t.

{edited for spelling - whee!}

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4. "RE: I missed something"
In response to message #0
 
   >1: Earth was contacted by Salusia before ever creating an FTL drive.
>
>2: Zephram Cochrane invented Warp drive (and, later, Metaspace gates)
>
>What am I missing here? Is Cochrane not Earthling?

No, he's from Earth; but he was born well after First Contact.

The parts of the Core stories in which warp drive is shown to have existed before 2100 are apocryphal. I think this was already discussed someplace, but I'm too lazy to go look it up.

--G.
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remandeteam
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5. "RE: I missed something"
In response to message #4
 
   >The parts of the Core stories in which warp drive is shown to have
>existed before 2100 are apocryphal. I think this was already discussed
>someplace, but I'm too lazy to go look it up.
>
>--G.

We have canon, and we have apocrypha? Is UF an entire scripture?
If so, we need a Book of Armaments.

--rR
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Gryphonadmin
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6. "RE: I missed something"
In response to message #5
 
   >>The parts of the Core stories in which warp drive is shown to have
>>existed before 2100 are apocryphal. I think this was already discussed
>>someplace, but I'm too lazy to go look it up.
>
>We have canon, and we have apocrypha? Is UF an entire scripture?

Some people seem to think so. I'm holding off on writing our version of the Song of Solomon, though.

--G.
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Bodhi
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7. "RE: I missed something"
In response to message #6
 
   >>We have canon, and we have apocrypha? Is UF an entire scripture?
>
>Some people seem to think so. I'm holding off on writing our version
>of the Song of Solomon, though.

Probably a good move, that.


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chris
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8. "RE: I missed something"
In response to message #4
 
   >The parts of the Core stories in which warp drive is shown to have
>existed before 2100 are apocryphal. I think this was already discussed
>someplace, but I'm too lazy to go look it up.
>

If I recall correctly, the WDF did not exactly get along with the earth gummint
after the unfortunate desctruction of Neo-Worcester in, um, 1993(?).

There was some talk of them being basically unable to legitimately
return home. How long until relations thawed?

Does that leave room for Cochrane to independently develop warp
drive, in ignorance of the fact that the WDF already had it?

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9. "RE: I missed something"
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   >Does that leave room for Cochrane to independently develop warp
>drive, in ignorance of the fact that the WDF already had it?

The WDF did not have warp drive before Cochrane invented it. Nobody had warp drive before Cochrane invented it; everyone used hyperdrive, except for those who had the ability to field spacefold-driven vehicles. All references to warp drive existing before 2100 should be taken to mean hyperdrive or ignored altogether.

This is a retcon. (And one that makes sense, given the travel time for the Starship Wedge from Earth to Zeta Cygni.)

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