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"CCP Update"
 
   Just got a note that Walther has shipped my CCP back; should be here on Thursday. I'll be interested to see what, if any, documentation they included with it in re the modifications they made.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: CCP Update eriktown Apr-19-17 1
     RE: CCP Update Gryphonadmin Apr-19-17 4
  RE: CCP Update MoonEyes Apr-19-17 2
  RE: CCP Update The Traitor Apr-19-17 3
     RE: CCP Update MoonEyes Apr-20-17 5
     RE: CCP Update Gryphonadmin Apr-20-17 6
  RE: CCP Update Gryphonadmin Apr-20-17 7
     RE: CCP Update Peter Eng Apr-20-17 8
     RE: CCP Update JFerio Apr-20-17 9
         RE: CCP Update Gryphonadmin Apr-20-17 10
             RE: CCP Update Gryphonadmin Apr-23-17 11

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eriktown
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Apr-19-17, 02:15 AM (EDT)
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1. "RE: CCP Update"
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   Thanks, I'll be curious to hear. I'm a card-carrying fanboy of modern Walthers and plan to get a CCP eventually, recall or no.

I have to ask, have you ever known the joy of the Walther PPQ trigger?


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Apr-19-17, 12:08 PM (EDT)
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4. "RE: CCP Update"
In response to message #1
 
   >I have to ask, have you ever known the joy of the Walther PPQ trigger?

I have not. Apart from the CCP, all my Walthers are old enough to get free bus passes in most major cities.

--G.
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MoonEyes
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Apr-19-17, 05:17 AM (EDT)
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2. "RE: CCP Update"
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   Interesting, in that I both read this AND watched Karl's vid, yesterday. I'll be watching this space with great interest.

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Apr-19-17, 10:41 AM (EDT)
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3. "RE: CCP Update"
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   Give it a red grip with a star picked out in gold.

Call it the CCCP.

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MoonEyes
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Apr-20-17, 09:04 AM (EDT)
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5. "RE: CCP Update"
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   Nah. Black Bakelite with a RED star and a gold SICKLE superimposed.
Same as the Mk II Sunrise, as it were.

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Gryphonadmin
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Apr-20-17, 12:38 PM (EDT)
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6. "RE: CCP Update"
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   >Give it a red grip with a star picked out in gold.
>
>Call it the CCCP.

That would be the PRC, surely.

(Although, that said, Soviet-made Makarov pistols often had reddish plastic grips with a star embossed on them, and the traditional Tokarev grip panel design has a star in it as well.)

--G.
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Apr-20-17, 05:30 PM (EDT)
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7. "RE: CCP Update"
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   Well, my CCP returned from its trip to the spa today, as expected. Disappointingly but not surprisingly, Walther included no documentation describing what they actually did to it; the only paperwork included in the box with it was an invoice (for $0.00, because it was classified as a warranty matter). Amusingly, the line item for the work itself is "CCP Upgrade"; it doesn't mention anywhere that it was a recall.

The only outward indication that anything has been done to the pistol is a small mark Walther made on the frame, specifically to indicate for future reference that this individual example has received the 2017 recall repair:

It looks like they just put it in a drill press or vertical mill and kissed the back of the magazine well a little. Pretty effective; that mark isn't likely to wear off, and unless you know what it is and where to look for it, it's unobtrusive.

They also included a couple of nice Walther stickers.

(Priss Morgan totally has a T-shirt with that logo on it. Probably several, in fact.)

--G.
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Peter Eng
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Apr-20-17, 06:02 PM (EDT)
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8. "RE: CCP Update"
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   >
>(Priss Morgan totally has a T-shirt with that logo on it. Probably
>several, in fact.)
>

In my imagination, the front of the shirt is an exploded view of a Walther product, and the logo is on the back, or possibly the sleeve.

Peter Eng
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Apr-20-17, 07:55 PM (EDT)
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9. "RE: CCP Update"
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   >It looks like they just put it in a drill press or vertical mill and
>kissed the back of the magazine well a little. Pretty effective; that
>mark isn't likely to wear off, and unless you know what it is and
>where to look for it, it's unobtrusive.

And if it was in reaction to a "fires when dropped", given that the mark is in a place most likely to kiss the ground first, it makes a hell of a lot of sense overall. Not intuitively so, but with the story coupled with it, it all just locks together in the head nicely.

Regarding the changes, that's probably something that will eventually get around the market, at least so that gunsmiths can tell if a particular gun has been fixed. I'm expecting it involved changing out a couple of parts for ones of different tolerances and/or materials.

Would it be safe to ask for an update once you've fired it in the new configuration, with a note of any changes you've noticed?





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Gryphonadmin
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Apr-20-17, 10:05 PM (EDT)
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10. "RE: CCP Update"
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   >Would it be safe to ask for an update once you've fired it in the new
>configuration, with a note of any changes you've noticed?

Well, I didn't actually get around to shooting it before the recall came, on account of I bought it in the winter, so I won't have any basis for comparison. I'll report on the user experience when I do get to it, though.

--G.
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Apr-23-17, 10:59 PM (EDT)
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11. "RE: CCP Update"
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   >>Would it be safe to ask for an update once you've fired it in the new
>>configuration, with a note of any changes you've noticed?
>
>Well, I didn't actually get around to shooting it before the recall
>came, on account of I bought it in the winter, so I won't have any
>basis for comparison. I'll report on the user experience when I do
>get to it, though.

Well, I took the CCP out for a walk this afternoon, and it seemed to go all right. Whatever modifications Walther made don't seem to have affected the trigger; I hadn't gotten around to taking it shooting before the recall came, but I had dry-fired it a couple of times, and the action seemed to be the same as far as I could tell. They haven't made it bad, in any case; quite crisp for a striker-fired pistol. (This is presumably because it's striker-fired, but still single-action, hence the external safety and lack of a Glock-style trigger-within-trigger.)

I did have a couple of failures in the last magazine's worth of shooting, in the form of one failure to extract and one failure to eject. The first of those didn't even cycle the action enough to reset the striker, so I'm guessing that one, at least, had more to do with the cheapass practice ammunition I was using than the gun itself. It extracted the empty just fine when I opened the action by hand. The second one was a classic "wedged across the ejection port" stoppage (not a stovepipe, but parallel with the port), easily cleared.

At any rate, the recall had nothing to do with the operating system, and I didn't go dropping the pistol on the floor to see whether Walther had succeeded in making it drop safe. :)

Then I came home, took it apart (once again firing the striker spring and takedown button across the room; I will get the knack of that disassembly one day, I swear), bloodied my fingertip on the ejector while swabbing down the action (that little bastard is sharp!), and got it back together without incident. The takedown/reassembly is slowly improving as I practice, but the fact that it requires a tool still loses beaucoup points from me. OTOH, while I had it apart I was able to reverse the magazine release button without too much trouble, apart from the fact that it's one of those processes that kind of require three hands.

Walther USA has provided an amusing video showing someone who is far better at it than I am disassembling, (kinda-halfassedly) cleaning, and reassembling a CCP. I think my favorite part of the video, apart from the casual ease with which the Walther rep gets the gas system to go back together (and even he acknowledges that it's a pain in the ass), is the incongruously heroic music that plays in the background throughout. :)

(These company-produced videos always make it look so easy. The one for the CZ 75 makes it look like all you have to do is move the slide back a little and the disassembly pin will practically come out of its own accord! Ha. Ha. Ha.)

--G.
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