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"Not so Red Planet"
 
   I am slightly tempted to see this, if only because I loved and hated the John Carter books at the same time, which is a pretty unique feeling for me when reading.

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  RE: Not so Red Planet Gryphonadmin Dec-02-11 1
     RE: Not so Red Planet trigger Dec-03-11 2
         RE: Not so Red Planet Gryphonadmin Dec-03-11 3
             RE: Not so Red Planet trigger Dec-03-11 4
                 RE: Not so Red Planet Gryphonadmin Dec-03-11 5
  RE: Not so Red Planet CGWolfgang Dec-04-11 6
     RE: Not so Red Planet Gryphonadmin Dec-04-11 8
  RE: Not so Red Planet Prince Charon Dec-04-11 7

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1. "RE: Not so Red Planet"
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   "Maybe there’s just no escape velocity from war and territorial violence. Or maybe the lessons of one world are meant to redeem another, a hope that seems vainly and permanently disproved — it’s too hard to see our errors coming at us from a distance to avoid them fully. Or maybe I’m overthinking this."

Er, signs point to C. Burroughs wasn't the kind of writer to have that elaborate an agenda.

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2. "RE: Not so Red Planet"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-03-11 AT 02:24 PM (EST)
 
Yeah, sorry. I didn't read Rosenberg's text until after I watched the preview.

Sure Burroughs was swallowing the William Summer's social Darwinism arguments hook, line, and sinker, and John Carter is about as racist as a Confederate Captain or the average white dude from that era probably was, but EBR isn't a social advocate of anything.

I'm re-reading Princess of Mars. So far it's only mildly objectionable IMHO, but Carter just got introduced to the green martians, so it's early yet...

Just to check my UF timeline - Devlin Carter is the nephew of Edison Carter and the nephew of Sam Carter...and is he related to the Lovecraft or Burroughs Carters? I'm thinking Lovecraft, but can't quite recall..

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3. "RE: Not so Red Planet"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-03-11 AT 03:52 PM (EST)
 
>Just to check my UF timeline - Devlin Carter is the nephew of Edison
>Carter and the nephew of Sam Carter...and is he related to the
>Lovecraft or Burroughs Carters? I'm thinking Lovecraft, but can't
>quite recall..

It's kind of an undeclared running joke in the UF universe that everyone you meet named Carter is related. Devlin's late, unlamented father was the notorious ganster Jack Carter of Get Carter fame (Edison and Samantha are presumably Jack's estranged brother and sister). Somewhere a ways back and off on another branch in their family tree, you can find the mystic and dream explorer Randolph Carter of Boston (1874-1932?).

Martian warlord John Carter's provenance as part of that same clan is harder to establish, since he himself doesn't know when he was born, but family legend claims him as the one who (ca. 1650) established what would become the American branch of the family, and thus as a fairly distant ancestor of Randolph's.

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4. "RE: Not so Red Planet"
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   John Carter is still alive in UF?

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who meant to dig out "For the honor of Mars" again today

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5. "RE: Not so Red Planet"
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   >John Carter is still alive in UF?

Well, yeah, he's immortal - weirdly enough, that's the first thing Burroughs establishes about him, even before all the Mars stuff happens.

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   How are the John Carter Books? I'm always looking for authors old and new to read.

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   >How are the John Carter Books? I'm always looking for authors old and
>new to read.

They're very much of their time, but if you're OK with that, they're cracking good reads. They're sort of a bridge between Victorian speculative fiction and early-modern sci-fi - particularly the initial trilogy, which is sort of a sword-and-sandal epic in space.

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7. "RE: Not so Red Planet"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-05-11 AT 09:24 PM (EST)
 
Deja Thorris wears to much clothing, but being an American movie made by Disney, that's not to surprising.

�They planned their campaigns just as you might make a splendid piece of harness. It looks very well; and answers very well; until it gets broken; and then you are done for. Now I made my campaigns of ropes. If anything went wrong, I tied a knot; and went on.�
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