Actually, it's a little easier to envision Bull Shannon as a Zardon Judge (at least for me). I almost see Harry as a normal judge in New Avalon.

...now I think about it, you could build a franchise around Bull as a Judge!

"The cream of Galactor here decided that they needed to break into Yoyodyne's research lab tonight to steal whatever new technology they could get their hands on. However, these rocket scientists failed to notice that the all-night diner across the street was the favorite after-action hangout of the Titans...."

Michael C. Fortner
"Maxim 37: There is no such thing as "overkill".
There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload".

*snerk*

"That'll be cr50 and time served!" *gavel bang*

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see Loki using Randall Flagg. Not quite a one-to-one lineup of personalities to me. YMMV.

Michael C. Fortner
"Maxim 37: There is no such thing as "overkill".
There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload".

He thought it was funny.

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OK, I can go with that. :)

Michael C. Fortner
"Maxim 37: There is no such thing as "overkill".
There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload".

I'm perversely loving how little I understand what any of you are talking about in this thread so far. I mean, I'm mainly watching science documentaries nowadays, so you're more likely to end up with a UF version of Professor Brian Cox than whoever that is. :)

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I've gone back and put a link in my post which should serve as an explanation, but I have to admit I'd settle for Brian, especially as I can now hear him in my head describing the ZC Dyson sphere as being "amazing".

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*yes, I know it's 'throw head and it explodes', but the joke was there.

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Geoff Depew - Darth Mephron
Haberdasher to Androids, Dark Lord of Sith Tech Support.
"And Remember! Google is your Friend!!"

This is totally an aside, but:
Fuck that movie. Fuck it sideways with <insert Redneck rant>.

Ruined a perfectly good character. Go read the books, they really are quite good, in a "well that was a fun bit of trash" way.

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-Pasha (Because when I think "6'4 and an eighth of a ton of muscle" I think of Tom Cruise. Right)
What was that feeling again?
Oh yes.
-Rage-

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"Yeah, I'm definitely going to hell/But I'll have all the best stories to tell" -- Frank Turner, The Ballad of Me and My Friends

Huh?

Craig
(Cold, can't think too hard....)

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IAMTW-Nominated Author

Author of the Battletech
Novels, Icons of War,
Elements of Treason:
Duty, and Elements
of Treason: Opportunity

Co-author of Four Outcast Ops
novels -- African
Firestorm, Red
Ice, Watchlist, and
Shadow Government.

Author of the The
Russia-Ukraine War Factbook
(Vol 1)

A Norwegian-English dictionary might help. :D

Also, Asgard might have something to say about it, if they're actually temporarily resurrecting dead heroes, rather than, say, making temporary copies of them (which is closer to what the HGW does in canon). Might get their attention anyway, because a lot of the canon magi in the Holy Grail Wars are utter dicks.

... and now I find myself imagining someone in the IPO or WDF getting involved due to being on vacation, and suddenly the Command Seals appear, or alternatively, due to a dead friend or relative who didn't Return calling them up to say hello. Tali'Zorah's grandfather is a genuine Hero, IIRC.

"They planned their campaigns just as you might make a splendid piece of harness. It looks very well; and answers very well; until it gets broken; and then you are done for. Now I made my campaigns of ropes. If anything went wrong, I tied a knot; and went on."
-- Arthur Wellesley, First Duke of Wellington

Why not make it the Stanley Cup War, then? <grin>

-- Bob
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My race is pacifist and does not believe in war. We kill only out of personal spite.

Ultor Security: "Well why are all the alarms going off? Its just one Warthog with some Asian dude manning the gun"

Badass Krogan Mercenary: "Gimme those Binoculars" ::stares intently:: "Thats Johnny Gat... In a Warthog... Fuck this I'm out" ::Turns and runs for the hills::

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Johnny and the Boss: "Murder time, Fun Time!" ::Begin killing every single Ultor goon in the base as the Krogan wisely escapes.::

“Navigare Necesse Est”-'Get me out of here!'

"Deadpool!?!"

Finally, someone has mentioned a character I've heard of. :)

--G.
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Of course, you've already used him. To be honest, I'm impressed by your restraint. :D

"Murder Time, Fun Time!" is the slogan of an in-universe Japanese game-show that the Boss stars on in the third installment of the series. It's called 'Professor Genki's Super Ethical Reality Climax' and it consists mostly of running an obstacle course full of people in mascot outfits armed with either guns or giant purple floppy dildos. There are also super-deadly traps.

“Navigare Necesse Est”-'Get me out of here!'

Merc with a mouth meets wise cracking street thug. Both of whom have body counts limited only by the number of bullets they can carry.

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This is why Deadpool?! carries swords.

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What was that feeling again?
Oh yes.
-Rage-

That was my first thought as well. :D

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Could be interesting, but then you'd have to bring in Kuroko, her Creepy (but cute) Obsessed Lesbian roommate - who's a combat teleporter, and could be argued to be Mikoto's best friend. Mind you, there are several people in the UF-verse that could serve as excellent councilors for both of them (either helping them get together if that's an option, or helping Kuroko move on, while staying friends with 'onee-sama').

"They planned their campaigns just as you might make a splendid piece of harness. It looks very well; and answers very well; until it gets broken; and then you are done for. Now I made my campaigns of ropes. If anything went wrong, I tied a knot; and went on."
-- Arthur Wellesley, First Duke of Wellington

Alternately, you could bring in her Arch Nemesis/crush/friend (depending on when you take them from), whose name I can't remember to save my life (the guy with Imagine Breaker) who would arguably be even MORE interesting in this setting.

Maybe. To me, Touma seems mostly like a Boring Shounen Hero who's only real power is to make other people less awesome (and not 'by comparison' - he neutralizes superpowers with his right hand). Mind you, in UF, he'd have to deal with meeting people who can kill or otherwise defeat him without the use of any superpowers, which doesn't seem to occur to anyone he opposes in To Aru.

"They planned their campaigns just as you might make a splendid piece of harness. It looks very well; and answers very well; until it gets broken; and then you are done for. Now I made my campaigns of ropes. If anything went wrong, I tied a knot; and went on."
-- Arthur Wellesley, First Duke of Wellington

Or he could just be J. Random Street Guy who gets pulled into a fight because he sees someone using an ability to beat the shit out of someone else, which is basically what happens in To Aru canon.

"Are you some kind of racist?"

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"Yeah, I'm definitely going to hell/But I'll have all the best stories to tell" -- Frank Turner, The Ballad of Me and My Friends

Gryph let the Frog have Lucille. Which I'm still not quite over.

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-Pasha
What was that feeling again?
Oh yes.
-Rage-

I also have this strange feeling that MegaZone is the Shadow Broker of this dimension...if he is, then kudos to him.

I wouldn't mind seeing Gryphon or Mister Deprew's take on Bane and Deadshot as well, I'm kind of curious as to how an august villian like Bane would exist in the same place as Big Fire ;)

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The Curator: I know you don't. And in years to come you might find yourself revisiting a few, but just the old favorites.

Thane, Kasumi, and Samara don't interest me very much; their plotlines always struck me as if they had been added simply to make Mass Effect 2 longer. (In Kasumi's case this is particularly so; her entire story arc was DLC.) I do have a notion in mind for an incident in which someone raids what's-his-name's basement full of stolen art objects, but it's not Kasumi and Commander Shepard.

>I also have this strange feeling that MegaZone is the Shadow Broker of
>this dimension...if he is, then kudos to him.

Not so much, no. I'm not sure the UF universe has a Shadow Broker, per se, but even if it does it is probably not Zoner. Generally speaking, the chosen of the goddess of chaos would be a poor choice for such an organizational role...

>I wouldn't mind seeing Gryphon or Mister Deprew's take on Bane and
>Deadshot as well, I'm kind of curious as to how an august villian like
>Bane would exist in the same place as Big Fire ;)

*snort* I'm sorry, did you just use the phrase "august villain like Bane"? Finding it hard to credit your thesis there. :)

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To be fair, this is also the case for Zaeed. :) Adding stuff to make the games longer is sort of de rigeur for the Mass Effect series. It's like, I didn't actually need to spend two and a half hours clearing all five geth outposts out of the Armstrong Nebula, now did I?

>Generally speaking, the chosen of the goddess of chaos would be a poor
>choice for such an organizational role...

Isn't MegaZone a big-shot diplomat these days? That job is nothing BUT organization. I mean, he and Feeple weld together the Galactic Alliance in record time for a set of international treaties, and MegaZone, if I remember right, talked a lot of polities into signing onto the International Police Accords and their complete lack of oversight and accountability. Someone like that has to be pretty organized.

Having said all that, I have trouble envisioning MegaZone as sitting in the center of a vast web of informants and operatives. Doesn't seem like his style. Dude is extremely hands on.

>>I wouldn't mind seeing Gryphon or Mister Deprew's take on Bane and
>>Deadshot as well, I'm kind of curious as to how an august villian like
>>Bane would exist in the same place as Big Fire ;)
>
>*snort* I'm sorry, did you just use the phrase "august villain like
>Bane"? Finding it hard to credit your thesis there. :)

Bane is pretty damn lame, but I would submit that he precisely the kind of seemingly-intelligent perpetual loser that Big Fire would dream up in their laboratories, right up until the moment he escaped and started killin' all their guys, Cerberus experiment style.

Deadshot, if he exists at all in UF, is probably working the professional mercenary circuit out on the Rim and staying the HELL away from anyone who even looks like a Lensman or any kind of other major Galactic Hero. Floyd is pretty crazy, but he's also not an idiot. The overall success rate of people who try and operate long-term and/or high profile out of places like Kane's World or New Avalon is not high, and he'd like to get paid.

-Merc
Keep Rat

Bane has been horribly misused since his creation. Few realize nowadays that his original concept was not "roided-out bruiser in a luchador mask" but "evil Doc Savage".

Dark Knight Rises really redeemed Bane for me. There's a difference between being strong and being POWERFUL. Hardy nailed the latter.

... presumably because that concept was markedly-less-than-halfassedly implemented even in his original appearance.

--G.
seriously, fuck Knightfall
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Samara in particular seems very shoehorned in. I never used her in 2 and her missions were kind of pointless.

Thane, on the other hand, was excellent if underused in 2, and then absolutely amazing (and potentially heartbreaking) in 3. Gryph, if you haven't played 3 yet, grab all of the DLC and have a crack. The game's really excellent now.

I think everyone has their own "list of Mass Effect squadmates who turned out to be clunkers." Not so much the first game; I know people who don't like Kaidan or Ashley (which makes the ability to kill one very convenient) but you usually can't find anyone willing to badmouth the implementation of Garrus, Wrex, Liara, and Tali.

But in two and three... Jacob has almost nobody who really likes him. The word "bland" is used a lot. Many people find Samara to be very shoehorned in, and Morinth was a good idea executed in an entirely half-assed way. James Vega seems to attract an almost visceral level of dislike from a lot of people, who, this being the internet, often express it in the form of vile slurs against hispanics. But you get a fair few people who are like "Grunt didn't grab me, Jack is just an angry child, Mordin is some kind of Nazi space scientist, EDI is just fanservice, I might have liked Miranda if the camera hadn't spent so much time glued to her ass" and so on. And fair enough. ME2 has a truly enormous squad, some of the archetypes they embody are just going to fall flat.

>Thane, on the other hand, was excellent if underused in 2, and then
>absolutely amazing (and potentially heartbreaking) in 3. Gryph, if you
>haven't played 3 yet, grab all of the DLC and have a crack. The game's
>really excellent now.

Mass Effect 3 was always a good game, even when the only DLC was "From Ashes." 90% of it is a tour de force.

The other 10% is so awful it manages to make the rest of the series retroactively worse somehow just by existing. Yes, even with the Extended Cut.

-Merc
Keep Rat

I think the Clever Noob guys, in their Extended Cut documentary on ME3, got it entirely right. Yes, I said documentary. You would think EA would figure out they did something wrong when there are multiple fan groups making 60-90 minute Hollywood-production level documentaries on their product.

I digress. The Clever Noob folks released their Extended Cut version of their ME3 doc just before the release of the final DLC. In it, they predicted (accurately) that the DLC would fail to actually resolve the crap ending issues BECAUSE the crap ending issues were generating so much free advertising for the game that EA had no desire to shut anyone up.

And yes, all the blame (or damn near all of the blame) for the ME3 ending is placed on EA, not Bioware. Bioware definitely suffered from the buyout, particularly in certain issues of publication control.

I dunno, if I made a product that resonated with people enough that multiple people put in the effort to make really good art based on it, I'd be wondering what I did right enough to have people care, not what I did wrong.

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-Pasha
"Don't change the subject"
"Too slow, already did."

By that logic, numerous diabolical acts in history are justified by the quality of the literature and art that was made by people who were horrified by them. Hotel Rwanda. Cry, the Beloved Country. Picasso's Guernica. I'm not sure you really wanted to reach across that burner while it was lit. :)

--G.
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Beautiful and good

Punishing with his kindness

Jacob is perfect

On the other hand, I think the UF versions of Bane, Jacob and Samara for example would be much more well thought out IMHO.

Eleventh Doctor: I never forget a face.

The Curator: I know you don't. And in years to come you might find yourself revisiting a few, but just the old favorites.