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Gryphon
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Jan-11-24, 01:47 AM (EDT) |
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"The what of peace, now?"
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I'm listening to an unabridged audiobook of Gibbon's History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. It's 126½ hours long, which makes it by FAR the longest title in my library, nearly doubling the previous record holder (Burrows and Wallace's Gotham: A History of New York City to 1898, 67:25). I'm about 20 hours into it, and I've noticed some oddities about the narration. In general it's quite good. The narrator, one Charlton Griffin, has a stentorian voice and an English accent, both of which go well with a tone as magisterial as Gibbon's. But every now and then, he commits what I can only describe as vocal typos. Faults crop up in the text that read uncannily like OCR errors, and Griffin just... says them, without batting an eyelash or missing a beat, even though they're clearly not what should be there. The best one of those I've come across in Decline and Fall so far is a passage in which, after a series of civil wars and succession conflicts (of which the Roman Empire had approximately one per week for 500 years), the weary citizens had a chance to enjoy "the clam of peace." Now, that cannot be what Gibbon intended to have there, as enjoyable as the image of ancient Romans venerating the Clam of Peace is, but neither Griffin nor his producer(s) even noticed it. I would say this is strange, but as you know, I've done some amateur audiobook work myself, so I know that you get into a sort of trance sometimes where what's coming out of your mouth genuinely does not pass through all of your brain first. Anyway, it kind of makes me wonder if he really was working from an OCR scan of the book, and if so, why the heck? --G. "Ave, praetor. Glory to the Clam of Peace." -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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CdrMike
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Jan-11-24, 02:27 AM (EDT) |
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1. "RE: The what of peace, now?"
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The "Clam of Peace" sounds like something the writers of Family Guy might come up with or something that either Gura or Marine would claim to have found. As for the length of the audiobook itself, it seems a lot until you remember the collection itself clocks in at 6 books altogether so you're talking roughly 20-21 hours per book. That's about as long as the audiobook of Leviathan Wakes, which is the first book of the Expanse series that currently sits at 9 books (if one excludes side stories and novellas). By contrast, the longest book in my audio library is the "complete and uncut" version of The Stand which is just shy of 48 hours long for a single book...which just happens to be over 1100+ pages long and thick enough to beat someone with. By the way, if you're looking for audiobook suggestions, I recommend the "complete" version of Max Brooks' World War Z. Not only does Brooks read his parts as the author/narrator, but they spent real money hiring a cast of actors big and small to read individual chapters. -------------------------- CdrMike, Overwatch Reject "You know, the world could always use more heroes." - Tracer, Overwatch |
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The Traitor
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Jan-11-24, 03:19 AM (EDT) |
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3. "RE: The what of peace, now?"
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The Clam of Peace was discarded in the Second Tunicate Wars, wherein Hannibarnacal led his soldiers across the Bivalps. In conclusion, Crawfage must be destroyed. --- "She's old, she's lame, she's barren too, // "She's not worth feed or hay, // "But I'll give her this," - he blew smoke at me - // "She was something in her day." -- Garnet Rogers, Small Victory FiMFiction.net: we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have standards. however much these hurt you, remember they hurt me first. |
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Peter Eng
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Jan-11-24, 12:36 PM (EDT) |
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6. "RE: The what of peace, now?"
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Well played. I was imagining the Clam of Peace as a mysterious culinary delicacy, the recipe long lost to time. Probably something involving wrapping shelled clams in cannabis leaves and other seasonings before roasting. Peter Eng -- Insert humorous comment here. |
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Peter Eng
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Jan-14-24, 03:23 PM (EDT) |
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12. "RE: The what of peace, now?"
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> >>Probably something involving wrapping shelled clams in cannabis leaves >>and other seasonings before roasting. > >In that case, surely you would bake it? >ouch. You have a good point. Peter Eng -- Insert humorous comment here. |
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MoonEyes
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Jan-12-24, 03:38 AM (EDT) |
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10. "RE: The what of peace, now?"
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-24 AT 12:53 PM (EST) >Man, Geoduck the Elder was such a dick. > >--G. Would that make them Geodick? EDIT: Also, needed to put this in that I ran across literally moments ago.
...! Stoke Mandeville, Esq & The Victorian Ballsmiths "Nobody Want Verdigris- Covered Balls!" |
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Gryphon
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Jan-14-24, 04:50 PM (EDT) |
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14. "RE: The what of peace, now?"
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>Even though, as you said, one might end up "Zen" in the moment of >reading, I would have thought such a person would have done better. Upon reflection, I wonder if that particular audiobook publisher has rules about sticking to the provided text no matter what. I took a class in voice acting once, believe it or not, and that was one of the things the instructor mentioned can happen--sometimes the director/producer welcome input from the talent when something in the text doesn't make sense, but sometimes they really, really don't. The thing is, all of the glaring errors I've spotted in the text so far (of which "the clam of peace" is the funniest, which is why I posted about it) read uncannnily like Optical Character Recognition errors. The Russian history course I took as an undergrad was largely taught from a book that was long out-of-print, which the professor got around by distributing PDFs of lengthy extracts from a scan of the book. Whoever did the scan mistakenly left Acrobat's crappy OCR on, which caused many... interesting... misinterpretations of the text. After a while the scan engine's habits started to become so familiar that I stopped even noticing the weirdness and just parsed what was meant rather than what was actually there in most cases. Whether he voiced the weirdness inherent in such a thing because of reader trance or because the recording personnel (who you would think would have noticed it too) insisted on following the provided text exactly, I have no idea, but with that experience in the back of my head, I can't shake the suspicion that Griffin was working from a similarly janky scan of Decline and Fall. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Gryphon
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Jan-20-24, 00:38 AM (EDT) |
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16. "RE: The what of peace, now?"
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>I've heard from friends who work in the publishing industry that, >until surprisingly recently, traditional publishers didn't bother >keeping any sort of editable master copy of any of their books.That stands to reason. In the days before digital storage, there would've been no economical, or even physically possible, way to do that. Physical type is heavy! And expensive! Never mind keeping a whole book's worth, once the plate for a given page was made, the master type would have to be broken up and reorganized into the next one. As for the days after digital storage when they still didn't do it, well... the publishing industry is famous for the glacial pace at which it adopts new technologies, which is kind of funny for an industry that was literally founded on fast-paced technological innovation. >They might keep printing plates in case they needed to do another print run, >but if they were gonna bring out a new edition, audiobooks included, the >procedure was to go back to the author for a fresh copy of the manuscript. Mm, and that would be tricky in this particular instance, since Edward Gibbon died in 1794. >And if the author was no longer available or >didn't keep a copy, they'd have to hire someone to transcribe what >they'd printed. Or just forego editability altogether and photographically reproduce an earlier edition page by page! That happens even today. The people who republished Edward Jablonski's Flying Fortress a few years ago seem to have literally just... scanned an existing copy of the 1968 edition, printed it out, and stuck it between a new set of covers. Maybe they didn't even scan it, it might just be a stack of photocopies. The reproduction of the photos from the original (of which I have a copy, but it's falling apart, hence why I bought a copy of the repop) looks exactly like you would expect a photocopy of a book page to look. >I think they would say that OCR errors are to be expected in audiobook >scripts for books published more than about 10-15 years ago. Well, yeah, but what I don't understand is... it's an audiobook. Why didn't they just have him... like... read the book? --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Gryphon
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Mar-12-24, 11:44 PM (EDT) |
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21. "RE: The what of peace, now?"
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Fairly late in Decline and Fall, Gibbon described one of the endless series of Byzantine civil wars in which it seemed like practically everybody involved was named Alexius--including both the emperor who was deposed, and the person who seized his throne. In order to tell them apart, he came up with: ... his common appellation of Alexius must be discriminated by the epithet of Mourzoufle, which in the vulgar idiom expressed the close junction of his black and shaggy eyebrows. Ah, yes. That infamous Byzantine usurper, good ol' Alex Monobrow. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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