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"Dada?"
 
   Random SOS question:

Is Raglin a later-day dadist? Your description triggered an old memory of mine; I once had some friends deeply enamored with Dada. The concert description certainly sounded like something the Dada movement would have produced.

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  RE: Dada? Gryphonadmin Oct-01-01 1
     RE: Dada? Ebony Oct-01-01 2
         RE: Dada? Gryphonadmin Oct-01-01 3
  RE: Dada? Redneck Oct-02-01 4
     RE: Dada? Sarcasticone Oct-02-01 5
  RE: Dada? zphunk Oct-02-01 6

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Gryphonadmin
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1. "RE: Dada?"
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   >Is Raglin a later-day dadist? Your description triggered an old
>memory of mine; I once had some friends deeply enamored with Dada.
>The concert description certainly sounded like something the Dada
>movement would have produced.

If he is, it's a coincidence, because I have no idea what you're talking about.

--G.
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2. "RE: Dada?"
In response to message #1
 
   >>Is Raglin a later-day dadist? Your description triggered an old
>>memory of mine; I once had some friends deeply enamored with Dada.
>>The concert description certainly sounded like something the Dada
>>movement would have produced.
>
>If he is, it's a coincidence, because I have no idea what you're
>talking about.
>

Dada was a art movement in the 1920s, primarily in Europe, that rejected the conventions of the previous movements. It was generally a rebellion against the culture and conventions that its practitioners saw as the motives/causes of the First World War. Generally, Dada was poetry, consisting of nonsensical combinations of words and sounds. It was mirrored by a style of drama known as Theatre of the Absurd, known primarily through the works of Eugene Ionesco. Interesting stuff.

Regarding Ragulin, I have a feeling that he's more a stereotypical, self-centered, poser-boy than anything else. I would hazard a guess that he has no Dada-esque opinions, but merely has the opinion that if he didn't compose it, it isn't true music. And the school, recognizing the potential for avant-garde talent, has encouraged him to an extreme. Fortunately, Messrs. Chalfont and Statler (and, presumably, the latter's partner from vaudeville, the esteemed Mr. Waldorf) as well as young blood like our Ms. Hutchins will provide something for those who realize that art is a communal, and not a singular, expression to enjoy. Mind you, Ragulin has shown up once, and is only a minor character. I suspect he really isn't that important.

Ebony the Black Dragon
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Gryphonadmin
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3. "RE: Dada?"
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   >It was mirrored by a style of drama known as Theatre of the Absurd,
>known primarily through the works of Eugene Ionesco. Interesting
>stuff.

Ah. I'm familiar with absurdist theater and Ionesco; my theater director back in high school was an Ionesco fan, and we did a couple of his short plays for the annual one-act state drama festivals during my tenure as a theater geek. I played the lead in Frenzy for Two and The Lesson, both of which were received by the state festival judges with magnificent ambivalence while the prizes went to warm-n-fuzzy folksy-charming one-act musicals put on by other schools. It was my first foray into bitter, misunderstood artistic snubbedness. :)

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4. "RE: Dada?"
In response to message #0
 
   >Random SOS question:
>
>Is Raglin a later-day dadist? Your description triggered an old
>memory of mine; I once had some friends deeply enamored with Dada.
>The concert description certainly sounded like something the Dada
>movement would have produced.

I don't know myself, but the description of his music reminds me very much of the brief 'Free Jazz' movement of the late 1960s to mid 1970s.

'Free Jazz' was music with no rules whatsoever. Total improv, all harmonic rules thrown to the winds, rhythm tossed out, even written music dispensed with. The result, IMHO, is some of the most utter GARBAGE I've ever been subjected to.

Redneck


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5. "RE: Dada?"
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   >>Random SOS question:
>>
>>Is Raglin a later-day dadist? Your description triggered an old
>>memory of mine; I once had some friends deeply enamored with Dada.
>>The concert description certainly sounded like something the Dada
>>movement would have produced.
>I don't know myself, but the description of his music reminds me very much of >the brief 'Free Jazz' movement of the late 1960s to mid 1970s.
>
>'Free Jazz' was music with no rules whatsoever. Total improv, all harmonic >rules thrown to the winds, rhythm tossed out, even written music dispensed >with. The result, IMHO, is some of the most utter GARBAGE I've ever been >subjected to.
>
>Redneck

You think that's bad listen to the Insane Clown Posse and Twisted.

Peter


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6. "RE: Dada?"
In response to message #0
 
   >Random SOS question:
>
>Is Raglin a later-day dadist? Your description triggered an old
>memory of mine; I once had some friends deeply enamored with Dada.
>The concert description certainly sounded like something the Dada
>movement would have produced.

Marcel Duchamp had a hand in Dadaism too, he created "readymades," ordinary objects that were works of art simply because they were displayed as works of art, one of them was a urinal entitled "Fountain." I'm also reminded of a headline from the Onion from 1923 in their book Our Dumb Century: "DADAIST MOVEMENT ENDS; 'VICTORY' CRY DADAISTS - Dadaists Drench Selves with Glue in Celebration."

Zack



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