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Dranger
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"Magical girls?"
 
   As far as I know....Fuu Umi and Hikaru are
the only 'magical girls' in UF. But are
they 'magical girls?' Or was it something
else.

By the way, I'm amused by the idea of 'magical
girls' bearing guns or other melee weapons. Of
course said magic could be psi-energy....but..

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Magical girls? trigger 06-12-03 1
     RE: Magical girls? NeoRavenK7 06-13-03 2
         RE: Magical girls? WengFook 06-16-03 3
             RE: Magical girls? NeoRavenK7 06-16-03 4
                 RE: Magical girls? BobSchroeck 06-16-03 5
                     RE: Magical girls? WengFook 06-19-03 6
                         RE: Magical girls? Kitsune1527 06-19-03 7
                             RE: Magical girls? WengFook 06-23-03 8
                                 RE: Magical girls? BobSchroeck 06-23-03 9
                                     RE: Magical girls? WengFook 06-27-03 10
                                         RE: Magical girls? Kitsune1527 06-27-03 11
                                             RE: Magical girls? StClairteam 07-09-03 16
                                             RE: Magical girls? Kitsune1527 07-09-03 17
  RE: Magical girls? ed_becerra 07-06-03 12
     RE: Magical girls? Norgarth 07-06-03 13
         RE: Magical girls? Star Ranger4 07-08-03 14
         RE: Magical girls? ed_becerra 07-08-03 15

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trigger
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1. "RE: Magical girls?"
In response to message #0
 
   >As far as I know....Fuu Umi and Hikaru are
>the only 'magical girls' in UF. But are
>they 'magical girls?' Or was it something
>else.
>
>By the way, I'm amused by the idea of 'magical
>girls' bearing guns or other melee weapons. Of
>course said magic could be psi-energy....but..

I think that Utena and and Anthy definitely count. The Norns, if we streach the definition. We can debate about the rest, but defintely those two.

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2. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   Actually, I thought that the closest thing you could get to "Magical Girls" in the UF-verse were the Utonium Sisters, and even then in their grown up style and attitude... nah.

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WengFook
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3. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   >Actually, I thought that the closest thing you could get to "Magical
>Girls" in the UF-verse were the Utonium Sisters, and even then in
>their grown up style and attitude... nah.

I would think they would fall in the "Superheroine" girls category :)

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4. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   >>Actually, I thought that the closest thing you could get to "Magical
>>Girls" in the UF-verse were the Utonium Sisters, and even then in
>>their grown up style and attitude... nah.
>
>I would think they would fall in the "Superheroine" girls category :)

I kinda thought as much.

-NeoRaven


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BobSchroeck
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5. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   >>I would think they would fall in the "Superheroine" girls category :)
>I kinda thought as much.

Actually, some superheroines are magical girls. Mary Marvel, for example.

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WengFook
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6. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   >>>I would think they would fall in the "Superheroine" girls category :)
>>I kinda thought as much.
>
>Actually, some superheroines are magical girls. Mary Marvel,
>for example.

Hokay. But does she do the colorful flash sequence with the costume
thing? cos' if she does'nt, she loses her licence :)

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7. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   >>>>I would think they would fall in the "Superheroine" girls category :)
>>>I kinda thought as much.
>>
>>Actually, some superheroines are magical girls. Mary Marvel,
>>for example.
>
>Hokay. But does she do the colorful flash sequence with the costume
>thing? cos' if she does'nt, she loses her licence :)

Well, you never see her NAKED, mind you, but there is a colorful flash sequence when she changes from 'normal' to 'costumed superhero' mode. Lightning bolts tend to do that ^_^

But her costume does come from magic, so it works. Of course, don't tell these guys (http://www.improfanfic.com/mgh) that . . . they'd try to kill her.

-Kit
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WengFook
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8. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   >>>>>I would think they would fall in the "Superheroine" girls category :)
>>>>I kinda thought as much.
>>>
>>>Actually, some superheroines are magical girls. Mary Marvel,
>>>for example.
>>
>>Hokay. But does she do the colorful flash sequence with the costume
>>thing? cos' if she does'nt, she loses her licence :)
>
>Well, you never see her NAKED,

HO-kay :)

>but there is a colorful flash
>sequence when she changes from 'normal' to 'costumed superhero' mode.
>Lightning bolts tend to do that ^_^

Hmm i don't know if Lightning bolts count as an actual transformation...
I will have to check with the agency

>But her costume does come from magic, so it works. Of course, don't
>tell these guys (http://www.improfanfic.com/mgh) that . . . they'd try
>to kill her.

...And fail because she is a supeheroine with friends right? :)

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BobSchroeck
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9. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   >>but there is a colorful flash
>>sequence when she changes from 'normal' to 'costumed superhero' mode.
>>Lightning bolts tend to do that ^_^
>Hmm i don't know if Lightning bolts count as an actual
>transformation...

Let's put it this way. There are two other (powered) members of the Marvel Family (leaving out such anomalies as Black Adam and the Lieutenant Marvels) who transform in the same way. Billy Batson goes from a 14-year-old boy to a 30-ish man, and Freddy Freeman ceases to be crippled. If those aren't "actual transformations", then Sailor Moon ain't doin' nothin' but putting on a dress.

>...And fail because she is a supeheroine with friends right? :)

So's Sailor Moon. Takeuchi opened new ground by merging traditonal "magical girl" with sentai (superhero) elements when she created Sailor Moon.

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10. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   >Let's put it this way. There are two other (powered) members of the
>Marvel Family (leaving out such anomalies as Black Adam and the
>Lieutenant Marvels) who transform in the same way. Billy Batson goes
>from a 14-year-old boy to a 30-ish man, and Freddy Freeman ceases to
>be crippled. If those aren't "actual transformations", then Sailor
>Moon ain't doin' nothin' but putting on a dress.

sorry my mistake.. I meant does it count as an actual transformation
sequence.


>>...And fail because she is a supeheroine with friends right? :)
>
>So's Sailor Moon. Takeuchi opened new ground by merging traditonal
>"magical girl" with sentai (superhero) elements when she created
>Sailor Moon.

Bob thats entirely my point :)

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Kitsune1527
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11. "RE: Magical girls?"
In response to message #10
 
   >>>...And fail because she is a supeheroine with friends right? :)
>>
>>So's Sailor Moon. Takeuchi opened new ground by merging traditonal
>>"magical girl" with sentai (superhero) elements when she created
>>Sailor Moon.
>
>Bob thats entirely my point :)

If the MGH get after a magical girl, she's dead. The 'power of love' ain't gonna stop a .44 caliber bullet airing out a little pipsqueak's cranium. It's especially not going to stop a sniper rifle, aimed from the rooftop above the girl. And it really will work perfectly if their annoying little talking friend is killed first.

Sorry. I just realized this sounded a whole lot like a shameless plug for Magical Girl hunters. Mea culpa. Just go read the story. It's like . . . uh . . . Quentin Tarantino does the mahou shoujo genre.

-Kit
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16. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   Pfeh. Anyone can waste teenaged girls if they're able to break the conventions of the genre (no attacking during long attacks or transformations, for example; or no attacking from surprise, from a half-mile away, while the target is in her civilian identity).

If you want to see Magical Girls deconstructed well, without changing any of the "rules", check out Sailor Nothing by Stefan "Twoflower" Gagne: http://www.pixelscapes.com/sailornothing . Warning - it's very, very grim.



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17. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   >Pfeh. Anyone can waste teenaged girls if they're able to break the
>conventions of the genre (no attacking during long attacks or
>transformations, for example; or no attacking from surprise, from a
>half-mile away, while the target is in her civilian identity).
>
>If you want to see Magical Girls deconstructed well, without
>changing any of the "rules", check out Sailor Nothing by Stefan
>"Twoflower" Gagne: http://www.pixelscapes.com/sailornothing . Warning
>- it's very, very grim.

Uhm . . . well, yeah.

I wasn't sure how well people would respond to SN. It's great writing, but . . . God, it's pain.

I like MGH because it treats the subject with equal parts Tarantino-esque comedy and Lovecraftian horror. SN I love because its characters ring so true.

Either way you can't go wrong, it's just that I was trying to keep with the funny aspects of the thread. SN has little to no humor, unless you count painful irony as humor. Which it isn't.

However, the Yamiko are the best villains ever.

-Kit
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12. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   Things that make you go "Hmmmmm..."

Cross a zombie with a japanese girl's school uniform:

A Magical Ghoul, perhaps?

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13. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   *groans*

Hey Ed? anything new in the works for Legion's Quest? I haven't seen any updates in a while. *awaits response hopefully*

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14. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   Took the words right out of my mouth, Nogarth.


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15. "RE: Magical girls?"
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   >*groans*

Thanks, that was one of my more loathsome puns.

>Hey Ed? anything new in the works for Legion's Quest? I haven't seen
>any updates in a while. *awaits response hopefully*

I'm working on it. I'm also writing a rather large story for the
Xanadu Project. (Must remember to catch Gryphon and Zoner sometime
to ask their opinion on it...)

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