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"I've Been Watching Some Things"
 
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One of the strange side effects of browsing Danbooru on the regular is that I often find out about things that have just come out by seeing fan art about them as it starts appearing. Often these are things I'm not all that interested in, like new mobile games or whatever, but now and then I'll notice something that intrigues me enough to go investigate.

Partly because of this phenomenon and partly just at random, I've been watching and/or reading a few new-to-me things over the last few weeks, which I might make my own posts about at some point. I'm always at least a little wary about doing this, because there's always the terrible risk that I'll end up with another project and I already have way, way, way too many projects, but lately I seem to be in the mood to roll those dice.

Some impressions, in no particular order:

- Komi Can't Communicate

Shōko Komi is the most beautiful girl in her high school class. Ask anyone! Except Komi, because she won't answer you. Well, can't answer you. She has a communication disorder and can barely bring herself to speak to anyone under any circumstances. She's not a loner--she loves the company of others and wishes she were part of the gang--but that's hard to get across when you can't talk to people. Worse, her schoolmates misinterpret her silence as aloof superiority and... worship her for it, because it's that kind of school. She finds that kind of mortifying, but can't tell anyone off for it, because, well, Komi can't communicate.

I'm a few volumes into the manga version of this (an anime exists, but it's on a streaming service I'm not presently in a position to pay for), and I'm rather taken with its utter silliness. Komi's school is full of lunatics, and as she starts doggedly trying to befriend them with the help of Tadano, her first friend and the one relatively normal schoolmate who has the curious knack of understanding her without her having to say anything, she basically just ends up surrounded by people who are her devoted followers without ever actually comprehending anything that has just happened.

My personal favorite among the supporting cast at this juncture is Katai, a burly kid with an intense gaze who everyone thinks is a terrifying delinquent, but who is in fact just incredibly anxious and has resting murder face, so that his anxious expression looks to everyone else like he's going to kill them in six seconds if he doesn't get their lunch money. He's so bad at communicating with people that Komi is his role model for what he views as her incredibly subtle and effective way with people. She finds that, and him, absolutely baffling, but what the hell. Tadano, on the other hand, reacts to Katai as though the latter were behaving normally, even though he never does, for which Katai seems to be rather in love with him.

Oh yeah, honorable mention to Komi's dad, who seems to have the same problem she has, and mom, who interacts with him more or less like Tadano interacts with Komi. Komi and her father never speak to each other, obviously, but they also never need to in the first place, being attuned on a level that everyone else around them finds completely mystifying.

It's a very long-running series that I haven't yet read most of, but I'm assuming that by volume 20 or so, Komi will have become world president without ever quite understanding how the hell she did that or having any idea what to do with the office now that she has it.

- Laid-Back Camp

This was a recommendation from Peter Eng, and it's cute as heck, but it has a slightly weird effect on me. Because it's such an intensely chill and relaxed show, it makes me paradoxically anxious. When the cute camping girls are camping all by their lonesome in some remote spot, I know nothing bad's going to happen to them, because it's Not That Kind of Show, but man, that's such a horror movie starting scenario, I can never quite stop looking over their shoulders for them, metaphorically speaking.

It reminds me of how I felt watching the episode of K-On!! where they went to the huge music festival. Again in that instance, I knew nothing was going to happen other than the cast having a lot of fun, but, I mean, five teenage girls roaming around mostly unsupervised at night at a giant outdoor rock festival? That gives me the Fear on a totally instinctive level.

Beyond that, which is far more my problem than the show's, it's an adorable show with an adorable cast, and its most troublesome aspect is its intense focus on food, which always makes me hungry when I'm watching it. It also has one of my favorite things in anime, a fourth-wall narrator (who is occasionally interrupted by happenings on screen).

Supporting cast member shoutout: Ena Saitou, solo camper Rin's friend, who seems like the normal one until you look more closely at her interactions with Rin and realize that she's a complete weirdo. In a good way!

- Do It Yourself!!

Stumbled across this one completely at random. Imagine the clumsiest, most accident-prone person you know, with the worst physical luck. Like, I had a friend at WPI who once broke both of her thumbs by sitting down with her hands in her jeans back pockets. Now imagine that that person takes up carpentry. With power tools.

Admittedly, there's some nominative determinism at work here, which even the characters themselves acknowledge, because the clumsy girl who joins the Do It Yourself Club is named Yua Serufu. This is an interesting case of an English pun that only works in Japanese, since in English her name would be Serufu Yua and that totally doesn't work. It's kind of like the converse of Iona Maruichi in that regard. (I'm still a bit proud of that. She's just called Iona in the source. :)

I've only watched the establishing episode of this so far, but I intend to go back and watch some more, because it's cute, and it ticks the usual boxes that finding-your-place shows like this do for me. There's some odd subtext happening that's obvious even in the first episode, though, which I don't know quite what to make of. The show seems to be set in the near future as envisioned by techbros—there are drones making deliveries and the school bus Serufu's next door neighbor rides every day is driverless—but there's a slightly ironic edge to it which feels out of place in a slice-of-life found-niche show like this.

The aforementioned neighbor goes to a fancy high-tech school for elite students, while Serufu barely passed the entrance exams for the cheapest, smallest, implied-to-be-worst school in town—which is actually on the same block as the fancy one, in a tiny building that's utterly dwarfed by the other school. So Serufu's neighbor and her classmates literally as well as figuratively look down on her school all day, every day. After school, she rides her bicycle laboriously home up the hill, and her neighbor's automatic bus passes her partway up. She and her neighbor are childhood friends, but since Serufu didn't get into the fancy school, the neighbor girl is perpetually angry at her, which goes straight over her head because Serufu has the Yui Hirasawa love-is-the-answer gene.

Anyway, it's a very weird social (but evidently not economic? they live right next door to each other in houses that are in different styles, but the same size) dynamic that feels out-of-place against the rest of the show, but it seems like it's there to be developed into something else later on, which may make it retroactively less awkward. I suppose we'll see.

- Chainsaw Man

What... the fuck?!

- Lycoris Recoil

Cute girls doing cute things, if you think extrajudicial assassinations to Prevent Crimes is cute. I'm really bemused by this one. It's the kind of thing that I would have been "aw hell yeah"-level totally on board with at 19, but at 49 my immediate reaction to the first few minutes of episode 1 was "due process, motherfuckers? Jesus wept." Also, it's so painfully obvious that the agency the protagonists work for is really the Bad Guys, I mean, that cab is coming down Broadway with its doors open, like the FLAG heel turn in that crappy Knight Rider remake, and I'm so, so tired of that trope. I dunno, I wanted to be into this, but I don't think I can with it. Would make a cool MMO premise, though. Kind of like The Secret World without the supernatural stuff.

- My Dress-Up Darling

I ran across this at random on the Amazon Kindle app, probably as a recommendation after I started reading Komi Can't Communicate, and it's gloriously bizarre in a completely different way. Like Komi, the main characters are an odd couple who stumbled together by fate, but instead of a girl with a communication problem and a guy whose fondest, most unattainable wish is to have a normal life, they're an awkward dude who is into an extremely archaic artisan craft and a girl who you automatically assume is going to be one of Those Girls and who kind of is, except that she totally isn't.

Wakana Gojo is the orphaned grandson of a kindly old guy who makes hina dolls, those elaborately dressed traditional dolls used in the elaborate wedding dioramas on the Shinto Hinamatsuri holiday. He wants to succeed his grandfather in this increasingly esoteric craft and has basically no other interests. He makes no attempt at socializing, even though he'd like to, because he's convinced that his interests are too weird and narrow for normal people and he'd just bring everybody down if he tried to get involved in the Social World of High School.

One day he's in the home ec classroom after hours, using one of the sewing machines to finish a piece of doll clothing he couldn't finish at home because his ancient treadle-powered machine broke down, when a classmate comes in and catches him at it. It's Marin Kitagawa, one of the Popular Girls in his class--very stylish, constantly flirting with the ragged edge of the dress code, has her hair done in a blonde-to-red gradient like Yūdachi Kai Ni. Gojo figures he's in for some massive ridicule now that this queen-of-the-class type has caught him making doll clothes...

... but she is, in fact, amazed. Just, like, hugely impressed. So impressed that she reveals why she's there, which was for a similar purpose to his own. It turns out Marin is a massive nerd who wants to take up cosplay, but she's terrible at handicrafts. On the spur of the moment, she asks Gojo to make her cosplay clothes for her, and his life goes straight off the rails and into outer space.

I don't know if I can put the right words in the right order to convey how much I love these two characters. They're exactly the right pair of idiots for each other in a way that romcoms often aspire to and miss. Gojo is earnest, honest and honorable to a fault, constantly berating himself for any perceived failure to act in the most respectful manner, and he finds himself confronted with an incredibly beautiful young woman who has pretty much no filter, little sense of personal space, and no trace of social anxiety. He's terrified that if he's seen with her at school, it'll hurt her standing with the other Popular Kids, but Marin gives zero fucks about that, introducing him to her friends (who are baffled by the whole business but, to give credit where it's due, not stereotypically mean about it), and pals around with him in public like it ain't no thing.

Also, although he proves to have a sharp eye for extrapolating character designs and designing costumes for other people, he has no sense of personal style whatsoever. Apart from his school uniforms, all his clothes are identical dark blue jinbei. Left to his own devices, he dresses like a janitor from the 1930s.

As for Marin, she's not what it says on the tin in the most refreshing way. She somehow manages to be intensely stylish without pretense, giving the impression that she looks so fashionable because she actually likes the look rather than because it's popular. She talks like a stereotypical teenage airhead (the manga translation and the anime subtitles both give her a sort of third-generation valley-girl accent, the kind of girl who says things like "totes" and pronounces online abbreviations verbatim, e.g., "oh-em-gee"), but so unselfconsciously it's not even annoying. Probably her most appealing trait, though, after her complete lack of filter, is that she's straight-up savage to people who make fun of other people's interests, even when she's not into those things herself. "It's important to have things you won't compromise about," she tells Gojo in one of their first real conversations.

Gojo's parents died when he was young, and the one female cousin of his we see is several years older, so it's likely that he had never really spoken to a woman his own age before that moment in the home ec classroom. He was not prepared for Typhoon Marin to blow into his life.

Also, the first character whose costume she wants him to make is from an X-rated video game called Saint Slippery's Humiliation Academy for Girls 2.

Yep.

So anyway, a few scattered impressions of some things I've been looking at recently. Probably not going to do anything with any of them. Hopefully not going to do anything with them, because I'm already doing more things than I can ever hope to actually get done. But it's been nice to just get a feel for some of what's going on in the world lately.

--G.
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  RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Kendra Kirai Nov-22-22 1
     RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Gryphonadmin Nov-23-22 5
         RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Kendra Kirai Nov-23-22 8
     RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Peter Eng Dec-06-22 33
  RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Meridias Nov-23-22 2
     RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Gryphonadmin Nov-23-22 4
  RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Peter Eng Nov-23-22 3
     RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Gryphonadmin Nov-23-22 6
         RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Peter Eng Nov-23-22 9
             RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Gryphonadmin Nov-23-22 10
         RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Gryphonadmin Mar-06-23 34
             RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Peter Eng Mar-07-23 35
  RE: I've Been Watching Some Things drakensis Nov-23-22 7
  RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Gryphonadmin Nov-23-22 12
     RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Droken Nov-24-22 13
     RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Kendra Kirai Nov-24-22 14
         RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Gryphonadmin Nov-24-22 15
     RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Peter Eng Nov-24-22 16
         RE: I've Been Watching Some Things TsukaiStarburst Nov-25-22 17
             RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Peter Eng Nov-25-22 18
                 RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Gryphonadmin Nov-25-22 19
                     RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Peter Eng Nov-25-22 20
                         RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Gryphonadmin Nov-25-22 21
                 RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Kendra Kirai Nov-25-22 22
                     RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Gryphonadmin Nov-25-22 23
                         RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Kendra Kirai Nov-26-22 24
                             RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Croaker Nov-26-22 25
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                                         RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Kendra Kirai Nov-26-22 28
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                                         RE: I've Been Watching Some Things Croaker Nov-27-22 30
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1. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   My Dress Up Darling is SO good, oh my god. I haven't read it in a while, but gods, Marin is *the best*. And her friends are, too, really! Gojo's got a complex, and it's because of that cousin you mentioned...

As said elsewhere, I don't particularly enjoy camping. Laid-Back Camp makes me want to go camping. It makes it look SO relaxing and SO....*liberating* to just go somewhere overnight.

It's been a minute since I touched Komi-san, but I think my favorite character may be Najimi. He's *everybody's* childhood friend. And he may well be Dantrovian, at least on his mother's side. Possibly by adoption.

I haven't consumed enough of Chainsaw Man, DIY, or any of Lycoris, so I can't comment on those past the fact that Chainsaw Man is what, indeed, the fuck, and Serufu's neighbor girl is SO clearly in love with the idiot and angry Serufu is the physical manifestation of obliviousness. :3


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5. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >My Dress Up Darling is SO good, oh my god. I haven't read it in a
>while, but gods, Marin is *the best*. And her friends are, too,
>really!

I like how they're just bemused by their super-flashy pal going-or-whatever with the awkward guy who dresses like a janitor, rather than scornful about it. You totally assume that's what's going to happen, and then it just doesn't. It's another aspect of the way the series likes to set expectations and then ignore them. :)

>Gojo's got a complex, and it's because of that cousin you
>mentioned...

Wait, was that his cousin in the flashback at the beginning? I thought it was a girl he knew from school. They look to be about the same age.

>As said elsewhere, I don't particularly enjoy camping. Laid-Back Camp
>makes me want to go camping. It makes it look SO relaxing and
>SO....*liberating* to just go somewhere overnight.

Heh. The scene where Li'l Rin sets up her tent in the living room reminded me of when I was a kid. Before I was born, my father bought an Army-surplus one-man tent, tried it once, and decided that camping in a style that basic was Not For Him. Thus, the whole time I was growing up, the tent was in the basement on the Rack of Things We Never Used, along with a small inflatable boat of the "my Hellcat has been shot down over the Pacific and I am waiting for a submarine to come and rescue me" variety, an old chainsaw that Dad never got rid of after he bought a new one, and a bunch of attachments for a Shopsmith woodworking tool that did things he never needed to do. Every now and again, usually in the summer, I would lug the tent upstairs and set it up out on the deck behind the house, just for variety's sake.

Keep in mind that I grew up on the very doorstep of Baxter State Park, one of the State of Maine's premier camping destinations... and I chose to camp on my house's back deck. Yeah, I've never really been the outdoorsy type. :)

>It's been a minute since I touched Komi-san, but I think my favorite
>character may be Najimi. He's *everybody's* childhood friend. And he
>may well be Dantrovian, at least on his mother's side. Possibly by
>adoption.

That is... terrifyingly plausible. In girl mode, s/he even looks kind of like Azalynn.

--G.
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8. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >>My Dress Up Darling is SO good, oh my god. I haven't read it in a
>>while, but gods, Marin is *the best*. And her friends are, too,
>>really!
>
>I like how they're just bemused by their super-flashy pal
>going-or-whatever with the awkward guy who dresses like a janitor,
>rather than scornful about it. You totally assume that's what's going
>to happen, and then it just doesn't. It's another aspect of the way
>the series likes to set expectations and then ignore them. :)

I think there's also the possibility that Marin is a bit of a force of nature and has scoured any judgement....ality...out of everyone in that friend group over time, like a sandblaster. :)


>>Gojo's got a complex, and it's because of that cousin you
>>mentioned...
>
>Wait, was that his cousin in the flashback at the beginning? I
>thought it was a girl he knew from school. They look to be about the
>same age.
>

Yeah, that's her~ I think he mentions in passing that his cousin said he was creepy, at some point...or that she was his cousin? It's been a little bit, and I can't remember how its conveyed, but it's definitely her.


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33. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >I haven't consumed...any of Lycoris

As I understand it, Lycoris Recoil doesn't come from a manga. The person who pulled the team together supposedly grabbed a manga artist whose style naturally fit the needs of anime and said, "You're a character designer now." Then he grabbed a writer and said, "Pitch an anime based on some of the characters he draws." And a few pitches later, he shoved them in a studio with a team of animators.

Okay, it didn't happen exactly like that. But it gets the idea across.

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2. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >They're exactly the right pair of idiots for each other in a way that romcoms
>often aspire to and miss. Gojo is earnest, honest and honorable to a fault,
>constantly berating himself for any perceived failure to act in the most
>respectful manner, and he finds himself confronted with an incredibly
>beautiful young woman who has pretty much no filter, little sense of
>personal space, and no trace of social anxiety. He's terrified that
>if he's seen with her at school, it'll hurt her standing with the
>other Popular Kids, but Marin gives zero fucks about that,
>introducing him to her friends (who are baffled by the whole business
>but, to give credit where it's due, not stereotypically mean about
>it), and pals around with him in public like it ain't no thing.

So, Rory and Amy then. Mostly.

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4. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >>They're exactly the right pair of idiots for each other in a way that romcoms
>>often aspire to and miss.
>
>So, Rory and Amy then. Mostly.

Kinda, yeah, now that I think about it. Gojo is less anxious than early Rory (his social reserve comes across more as resigned awkwardness), and Marin is a lot less... Scottish than Amy, but the dynamic is kinda similar.

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3. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   Laid-Back Camp eventually does have something bad almost happen, but it's a realistic sort of bad thing, and a realistic application of the power of friendship saves them. That's not until Season 2, though, which is somewhat surprising. I mean, there's so much that can go wrong for novice campers, it's amazing they didn't run afoul of something before then.


The one thing that makes Lycoris Recoil palatable to me is Chisato's utterly unbelievable ability to use less-lethal rounds to defeat her opponents, and her incredible commitment to that approach.

Her "reads body language and dodges before they fire" schtick is unbelievable in a Shut-Up-It's-Anime way, but "rubber bullets somehow take down guys wearing body armor" just defies my understanding of firearms physics. To be fair, I know almost nothing about firearms, but still.

Yes, we know that Direct Attack isn't the Good Guys, just the Not As Bad Guys. Everything we find out about them in the anime reinforces this. The main antagonist knows it, and that's one of the interesting conflicts. Really, the large supply of Not As Bad Guys is the most realistic thing about the show.

It's a weird mixture, with Cute Girls Doing Cute Things intermixed with well-animated fight scenes that are, at worst, straight-up good guys versus bad guys, and at best, a clash of different views on what wrongs are acceptable. I'm not sure how they made it work, but I think they did.

Gryphon, I can't recommend you continue watching it, but for everybody else, I'd recommend giving it a try.

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6. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >Laid-Back Camp eventually does have something bad almost
>happen, but it's a realistic sort of bad thing, and a realistic
>application of the power of friendship saves them. That's not until
>Season 2, though, which is somewhat surprising. I mean, there's so
>much that can go wrong for novice campers, it's amazing they didn't
>run afoul of something before then.

Well, there was Rin's brush with the lake monster. :)

>Her "reads body language and dodges before they fire" schtick is
>unbelievable in a Shut-Up-It's-Anime way, but "rubber bullets somehow
>take down guys wearing body armor" just defies my understanding of
>firearms physics. To be fair, I know almost nothing about firearms,
>but still.

Heh, reminds me of the old Doc Savage comics, in which Doc and his guys use normal guns equipped with something called "mercy bullets" that knock out people they shoot instead of killing them. It is never explained how this works; it's just something Doc invented, and Doc can invent anything, so, let's move on. :)

>It's a weird mixture, with Cute Girls Doing Cute Things intermixed
>with well-animated fight scenes that are, at worst, straight-up good
>guys versus bad guys, and at best, a clash of different views on what
>wrongs are acceptable. I'm not sure how they made it work, but I
>think they did.
>
>Gryphon, I can't recommend you continue watching it, but for everybody
>else, I'd recommend giving it a try.

I might give it another go sometime; it wouldn't be the first time that I really wasn't feeling something at first attempt and came to appreciate it later.

>Resisting the urge to recommend other things, because I feel like I've
>rolled the dice too many times already. Even with careful choices, I
>might hit "Gryphon Adds A New Project" sooner or later.

Isn't that half the fun?

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9. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >
>>Resisting the urge to recommend other things, because I feel like I've
>>rolled the dice too many times already. Even with careful choices, I
>>might hit "Gryphon Adds A New Project" sooner or later.
>
>Isn't that half the fun?
>

Well, reading a new project from you can be great fun, but since it's also hitting your creative time, it feels kind of like gambling with your money and knowing that you're going to soak all the losses.

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10. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >>
>>>Resisting the urge to recommend other things, because I feel like I've
>>>rolled the dice too many times already. Even with careful choices, I
>>>might hit "Gryphon Adds A New Project" sooner or later.
>>
>>Isn't that half the fun?
>>
>
>Well, reading a new project from you can be great fun, but since it's
>also hitting your creative time, it feels kind of like gambling with
>your money and knowing that you're going to soak all the losses.

Fair.

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34. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >>Gryphon, I can't recommend you continue watching [Lycoris Recoil], but for everybody
>>else, I'd recommend giving it a try.
>
>I might give it another go sometime; it wouldn't be the first time
>that I really wasn't feeling something at first attempt and came to
>appreciate it later.

Update to report: I've taken another look, and I can definitely say this feels like one of those situations where I like the characters a lot more than the actual show. Chisato, in particular, is growing on me. She and Takina would make a decent 3WA Trouble Consultant team. Heck, the codename even works.

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35. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >>>Gryphon, I can't recommend you continue watching [Lycoris Recoil], but for everybody
>>>else, I'd recommend giving it a try.
>>
>>I might give it another go sometime; it wouldn't be the first time
>>that I really wasn't feeling something at first attempt and came to
>>appreciate it later.
>
>Update to report: I've taken another look, and I can definitely say
>this feels like one of those situations where I like the characters a
>lot more than the actual show. Chisato, in particular, is growing on
>me. She and Takina would make a decent 3WA Trouble Consultant team.
>Heck, the codename even works.
>

Chisato and Takina are both too good for the world of Lycoris Recoil. I think Takina might have gone down a far worse path if she hadn't been transferred to Cafe LycoReco.

On the upside, I think they get a plotline that you could live with. This isn't Legend of Korra or anything like that.

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7. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   You might find Koukyuu no Karasu to your tastes.

The Raven Consort is a mysterious 'consort in legal terms only' to the not!Chinese Emperor, latest in a lineage that have served all the Emperors. She lives alone in a small courtyard and if you go to her and offer a gift then she will assist with such matters as communicating with or exorcising ghosts. Traditionally, the Emperor has nothing to do with the Raven Consort.

Except the current Emperor, who wants help in solving a matter of palace intrigue, a mystery that gets her out of her little corner of the palace, which reveals that the prickly young mystic... is also a socially awkward teenager who has no clue how to deal with a handsome emperor sneaking her sweets or a bubbly lady-in-waiting who is now both her servant and her best friend (neither of which is a relationship she's had before).

Episodes so far seem to be one part mystery-of-the-mini-arc and one part the Consort struggling with how to deal with the found-family she's picked up entirely by accident.

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12. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >Also, the first character whose costume she wants him to make is from
>an X-rated video game called Saint Slippery's Humiliation Academy
>for Girls 2
.
>
>Yep.

I feel like I should've gone into more detail about this, but by that point fatigue was setting in. The properties Marin gets her costume ideas from are some of the most brilliant bits of worldbuilding in the series. They're all fictional in-universe franchises, and they're spot-on style parodies of real genres.

As presented in the first five manga volumes (which largely correspond to the first season of the anime), they are:

- Saint♥Slippery's Academy for Girls—The Young Ladies of the Humiliation Club: Debauched Miracle Life 2

I misremembered the title of this slightly. Can you blame me? We don't see very much of this, because it has a different rating from the series it's in, but Marin describes the two games in the series as the best ero games ever made, and her mostly abridged explanation of the plot (which Gojo completely fails to follow) includes the declaration that it's "mostly about being sex slaves for love, so it's prolly OK. It's pretty safe." I assume she interprets "safe" basically in the same way that it's represented in the phrase "safe in the Fire Swamp."

Anyway, there are two of these games, and Gojo ends up playing both of them. For science research. No, really. He wants to see the desired character's costume from every available angle, and there's only one way to do that. He takes notes. He is not flustered by the experience, because he's Working. Compartmentalization! It's the best. Also, he doesn't even blink when his grandfather catches him at it. Gramps is bemused that he's taking notes. Gramps is also bemused by Gojo's drop-dead-gorgeous apparently-not-his-girlfriend, but he takes the whole thing in stride.

- Flower Princess Blaze!!

With two exclamation points. The translated manga letterers are so on top of this, at one point someone exclaims its name, and it's written out "Flower Princess Blaze!!!" with the third, unitalicized exclamation point. That's the kind of attention to detail you don't always get. Anyway, Flower Princess Blaze!! is a magical girl anime in the 2000s style, which was Marin's favorite show when she was little. She and Gojo watch the DVD box set for his research needs, which takes no time at all, because, as she assures him when they start, "It's only 126 episodes long!" In the anime, there are a few clips of the show from the scenes where they're watching it, and the animators nailed the period style.

- Killing Gigs

A console fighting game, the premise of which is that all the playable characters are criminals of one kind or another who are being forced to fight to the death to amuse the super-rich. We only get a glimpse of a few of the characters, but they're all right out of central casting. The one Marin wants to cosplay, Veronica, is a Rule 63 Hannibal Lecter-type who wears a costume consisting of a couple of medical eyepatches fashioned into a makeshift bikini top and a pair of white gym shorts. Marin being Marin, it doesn't even occur to her how revealing this costume is until after Gojo has made it.

- I, a Super-Popular High School Light Novelist, am Being Harassed Every Night by a Succubus and It's a Big Problem!

Or SuccuProb for short. A slice-of-life 4koma in which, well, exactly what it says in the title happens. The main character stays up all night writing light novels, and a succubus named Liz keeps trying to get him to go to sleep so she can do her thing, but never succeeds. Liz is only ever shown in a very simplified chibi style, so Gojo has to pretty much invent her costume himself, which involves reading up on the whole succubus thing. For science research.

This one's my favorite so far, mainly because the author completely nailed that 2010s title aesthetic. In the anime, the title is given as I'm a Mega-Best-Selling High-School Student Light Novel Author That Has a Succubus Thirsting For Me Every Night and I Don't Know What to Do, which might be overcooking it just a bit, but I don't know which translation is closer to the original. I think the anime translators may have gone with that version to facilitate the secondary joke that the shortened title is SuccIDK.

I love how much work has gone into the metafiction inside this setting.

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13. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   For all the reasons you have specified and more, My Dress-up Darling has absolutely become one of my overall favorites.

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14. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-24-22 AT 01:50 AM (EST)
 
For the record, the fan translations have it as

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381517048401887253/1045219674700386304/unknown.png=? (Pull the = out to see the page)

"I'm a super popular high-school light novelist but every night I'm being bothered by a succubus" shortened to 'SabaKoma'. So assuming that translation is reasonably accurate, the manga one seems a touch closer, which I'm glad for, because the anime one feels overproduced. :) One too many runs through the Light Novelizer.


EDIT: Also, I may have had a wrong idea. The last chapter I had read was chapter 68, the girl on the first page of the series *seems* to have been his cousin, and I thought the lady who showed up with the dragon jacket then was also that girl, because that's what the belief in the comments was along with the shock both of them showed. Looking at it now, it's because they each expected the opposite gender. :)

Reading further, it's looking less and less like the cousin is anything. and I'm not sure where I latched onto cousin in the first place, I'm sorry.

Frig, I last read almost a year ago...


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15. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >EDIT: Also, I may have had a wrong idea.
>
>Reading further, it's looking less and less like the cousin is
>anything. and I'm not sure where I latched onto cousin in the first
>place, I'm sorry.

OK, phew. I thought it would be kind of weird for the flashback girl to be his cousin, given that she was on his case for being into something that was for girls, and in the "present-day" part of the story, his cousin teases Gramps by claiming that it's perfectly normal for a boy Gojo's age to own a few pieces of ladies' wear. :)

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16. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >I assume she interprets "safe" basically in the same way that it's represented
>in the phrase "safe in the Fire Swamp."
>

I watched seven or eight episodes last night. When I hit that part, my first thought was, "This is a definition of 'safe' which I was previously unfamiliar with." I'm not sure where I originally saw that phrase, but the unreliable portion of my memory says I've seen it used at EPU at one point.

>With two exclamation points.

If I remember correctly, it's the second season, which leads me to think they separated seasons the way that K-On did. It would not surprise me in the least to find out that they eventually made Flower Princess Blaze!!!!, and that it was the Puella Magi Madoka Magica of that universe. (I recently watched a YouTube video where they posited that Madoka Magica did to magical girls what Watchmen nearly did to comics - utter destruction under a wave of grim and gritty that completely missed the point.)

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17. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-25-22 AT 05:27 AM (EST)
 
I think I watched the same video you did, and when I spoke to a friend they had a counter-argument: Madoka didn't kill Shoujo, Shounen killed Shoujo. And more specifically, Mahou Shoujo.

Certainly there has been a lot more healthy and consistent growth in Shounen anime in the last five or ten years, with shows like Boruto as the sequel to Naruto, One Piece still going strong, ESPECIALLY Boku no Hero Academia, Jojo, Demon Slayer, Attack on Titan, and a myriad of other shows that have ingrained themselves into the market. Madoka Magica certainly went a considerable distance towards killing the genre- aside from the consistent appearance of Precure from Toei, there have only been a handful of magical girl shows in the last ten years like Flip Flappers, Cardcaptor Sakura Clear Card Arc, and Seven Heart Princess that play things relatively straight- but it's not like Madoka personally destroyed the genre by itself.


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18. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-25-22 AT 12:57 PM (EST)
 
>I think I watched the same video you did, and when I spoke to a friend
>they had a counter-argument: Madoka didn't kill Shoujo, Shounen killed
>Shoujo. And more specifically, Mahou Shoujo.
>

As I understood their argument, Madoka didn't kill magical girls, and it seems to me that Shoujo is doing all right in other genres.

What killed magical girls was people copying what they thought made Madoka popular while leaving out everything that did. That's why I compared it to Watchmen.

But at this point, we've wandered far afield of the original concerns in this thread, and there's a good case for agreeing to disagree.

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19. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >What killed magical girls was people copying what they thought made
>Madoka popular while leaving out everything that did. That's why I
>compared it to Watchmen.

The idea of making a grimdarque and gritty magical girl show reminds me of a parody idea my friend Seann and I had in high school, late one night after playing either Cyberpunk 2020 or Shadowrun for too many hours in a row. Inspector Gadget: Pretty Hate Machine transposed Gadget into what was essentially the world of RoboCop, and made a lot of his gadgets much more overtly weaponized.

In the world where Pretty Hate Machine was actually made ca. 1991, there was presumably a reboot five or six years ago in which, in a riff on Team Fortress 2's "Meet the Pyro" short, Gadget perceives his world as something akin to the original series thanks to a reality filter designed to keep him from going on a cyberpsychotic rampage, and never realizes that he's mowing down M.A.D. agents by the absolute barrelful at all times.

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20. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >Inspector Gadget: Pretty Hate
>Machine
transposed Gadget into what was essentially the world of
>RoboCop, and made a lot of his gadgets much more overtly
>weaponized.
>

And now, I'm imagining the alternate universe where you filled three spiral-bound notebooks with stories about this, and they're sitting in a box in an attic somewhere, as a sort of Proto-EPU artifact.

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21. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-25-22 AT 03:13 PM (EST)
 
>>Inspector Gadget: Pretty Hate
>>Machine
transposed Gadget into what was essentially the world of
>>RoboCop, and made a lot of his gadgets much more overtly
>>weaponized.
>
>And now, I'm imagining the alternate universe where you filled three
>spiral-bound notebooks with stories about this, and they're sitting in
>a box in an attic somewhere, as a sort of Proto-EPU artifact.

Heh, I think there were a couple of pages of scribbles about it in whichever gaming notebook I had that evening, but no stories. Alas, almost all those notebooks are long since lost at this point, anyway.

If I could get back any one of my lost proto-stories, it would be the novel I tried to write in about the seventh grade, Some Assembly Required. In its original form, it was a pretty transparent riff on Heinlein's Have Space Suit—Will Travel, in which the protagonist acquires a piece of equipment that starts him off on a Space Adventure as a contest prize, but instead of a space suit in need of heavy maintenance work, said prize was a small starship that was delivered in 1,572 separate crates.

This was also, I think, the genesis of my odd fascination with the idea of heavy vehicles delivered like mail-order electronics, which evolved into the "tank in a box full of packing peanuts" gag I finally got to use in Panzermädchen Files. :)

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22. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   Evangelion had a very similar affect on the mecha genre as Madoka did.

Deconstructionism is an art form that few properly understand (including me, really), but often ends up popular, which leads to copycats who *also* don’t understand deconstructionism trying to make deconstructionism.

The Mecha genre worked its way out of the dark ages of pseudo deconstructionist grimdark claptrap and Magical girls will, too. Both have had a strong core of ‘pure’ genre shows running through the noise that will become the beacon once the storm has passed, calling everyone home.

It’s gonna continue to be kinda crummy until that happens, though.

In the meantime, we still have Nanoha, Symphogear, and *especially* Pretty Cure to keep us sane~ (Granted, Symphogear has a lot more death and destruction than most magical girl shows, but I still think it keeps the right spirit of the genre, of miracles and friendship and love and Doing The Right Thing in the face of evil and despair.)


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23. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >The Mecha genre worked its way out of the dark ages of pseudo
>deconstructionist grimdark claptrap and Magical girls will, too.

One of the relatively few advantages of deconstructionist grimdark claptrap is that it makes pretty good parody fodder.

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24. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   Occasionally, the grimdark claptrap even parodies *itself*, though unintentionally. I think it's Magical Girl Site which is ludicrous in how over the top crapsack grimdark it gets. Or maybe it was Magical Girl Raising Project...I forget, I watched part of one of them but even I couldn't handle the bullcrap on display, and I'm an avid Isekai consumer.

Then there's the shows like 'Magical Girl Spec-Ops Asuka', which has magical girls as the front line fighters in an actual war against the cutesy invaders. Which gives everyone involved some extreme PTSD, including the title character, Asuka, who keeps having flashbacks even as she tries desperately to go back to being an ordinary high school student. ....Honestly, that's probably one of the better takes, from what I've seen. Seems like some actual psychology and trying to work through trauma rather than just 'It's magical girls but they kill each other'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Girl_Spec-Ops_Asuka

I can't *recommend* it, exactly, especially since I've only watched an episode or two, but taking a look might not be a bad idea, if what I've said piques your interest at all.

On the other end, we have Symphogear, which is bloody, with huge amounts of death, but is actually somewhat joyous in the long run; Creatures called Noise attack the world, seemingly at random. They can't be hurt by conventional weapons and even casual contact with them will turn a living creature to a pile of ash. In the near future, a girl named Hibiki goes to a concert held by a famous pop/rock duo. Suddenly, the Noise attack! But that's okay, because the duo is actually two of the only people on the planet who can fight the Noise! What ensues is one of the hottest blooded magical girl shows I've ever seen, accompanied by some *incredible* music and insane stunts.

I really think you'd enjoy Symphogear, Gryph. Beware if you get hooked though, there's...five? Six? seasons of 13 episodes apiece. It's not the long haul of something like Pretty Cure, with it's *twenty four* series of ~50 episodes apiece to date, but it's still a bit of an investment. (At least Pretty Cure is mostly structured like Sentai or Kamen Rider, with a whole new thing every year.)

This clip is from the very beginning of the *third* series, so, spoilers abound, but it's well known as one of the best ways to get people into the show. Your call on if you want to watch it!

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x37t6vd?


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25. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   Having actually watched all of Magical Girl Spec-Ops Asuka, I have to say...

Kendra is probably right.

To give a bit more detail: Our Heroine is one of five survivors out of a team of eleven, who were basically drafted into the military when they became magical girls, trained, and put into the front lines of the war against the monsters.

Of the survivors, two are Japanese, but the other has dropped out of touch with her. The remaining three are Russian, Chinese, and American, and have all gone back to their home countries and are also out of touch. So Asuka is alone, the whole magical-girl thing is classified as all fuck, and as Kendra said, she is dealing with some serious PTSD and survivor's guilt.

And then Asuka is "rescued" from her attempt to fit in as a Normal Schoolgirl by the discovery that the war may be over, but the peace isn't quite here yet.

I have described it before as "'24': The Magical Girl Edition", and meant it entirely seriously. Asuka isn't exactly a Jack Bauer figure but she and her colleagues are definitely placed in that kind of situation.

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26. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   Speaking very personally, Asuka was a bit too grim for my tastes - not grim*dark*, just grim and kinda joyless - so I didn’t get into it. I’m far more attuned to things that are more...positive. Stuff that could never be filed under ‘misery porn’. Not saying Asuka *is*, but, I could see it heading that way,

I’ve never understood why people like shows like Attack on Titan, or Walking Dead, shows which appear to me to exist for no other reason than to torture the people in the setting, good and bad alike. You’re obviously allowed to, and I’m not judging anyone for it, I just don’t understand why people do.


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27. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >I’ve never understood why people like shows like Attack on Titan

I will never not be disappointed that Attack on Titan isn't a space opera about a war among the moons of Saturn.

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Kendra Kirai
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28. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   It'd probably be more interesting and less fascist-apologetic if it were.

.....For some reason, that made me think of the show 'Knights of Sidonia'.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Sidonia

> The story is set in the year 3394, a thousand years after mankind flees from
> Earth after it was destroyed by a race of shapeshifting aliens, the Gauna,
> aboard hundreds of colossal spacecraft created from the remains of the planet.
> One such ship is the Sidonia, which has developed its own human culture closely
> based on that of Japan where human cloning, asexual reproduction, and human
> genetic engineering, such as granting humans photosynthesis, are commonplace.
> It is also revealed that the top echelons of this society have secretly been
> granted immortality. With a population of over 500,000 people, Sidonia is
> possibly the last human settlement remaining, as the fates of the other ships
> are unknown.

Another not bad show, though I bailed for a while early on because of a wide scale disaster scene which made me feel icky, but once I got back to it, it wasn't repeated. and was much more of a standard show after that.

It's weird how my mental database is crosslinked sometimes.


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Gryphonadmin
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29. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >It'd probably be more interesting and less fascist-apologetic if it
>were.
>
>.....For some reason, that made me think of the show 'Knights of
>Sidonia'.

Also possibly not a million miles from "Knights of Cydonia".

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30. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >>I’ve never understood why people like shows like Attack on Titan
>
>I will never not be disappointed that Attack on Titan isn't a
>space opera about a war among the moons of Saturn.
>

That does sound a lot more fun, yeah.

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Sofaspud
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31. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   As a direct result of this thread, I ended up binging the entirety of My Dress-Up Darling Saturday night, until I finished at about 3am. Which is way past my bedtime because I'm old and crap, but whatever.

I... did not expect to get hooked like that.

I am almost afraid to check out any of the others on this list, because I don't know how many all nighters I have left in my tired old meatsack. But it was so good.

It's not at all the usual sort of thing I get into. I really don't understand why I found it so appealing. But... thanks for the recommendation! I kind of needed something bright and wholesome* and cheerful, I think.

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Peter Eng
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32. "RE: I've Been Watching Some Things"
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   >3am. Which is way past my bedtime because I'm old and crap,
>but whatever.

Yeah, either you learn to stop at a rational hour, you learn to start the binge-watch after breakfast on a day off, or you end up falling asleep in the oh my God, what are we doing up this latening.

I've done all of these at various times. I'm not sure I'm old, but I'm definitely crap.

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