I honestly doubt anyone has the metaphysical equivalent of size of the boot that Ohtori Akio deserves to have his ass kicked with other than Tenjou Utena.

Unless.... hm. It just occurs to me now that it's possible that Utena alone cannot beat him. But with the support of what is now an ENTIRE Ohtori Academy Student Council, it's possible that the metaphysical force she can bring to bear for this may give her what she needs to defeat him.

In other words, what she's done right now is the equivalent of Zoner, except she's even more incapable of comprehending it from her own POV. She's arranged to have the entire Council - and mystically, having a completed circle like that has significant importance - not just opposing Akio, but SUPPORTING her. Sure, it's not QUITE perfect - Wakaba's not in the same circle as Miki, Juri and Saionji - but at the same time, it does complete the circle.

Interesting thought. I'm sure it's wrong, but.

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Geoff Depew - Mephron
Haberdasher to Androids, Malakite of Lightning and Angel of Tech Support Professionals
(They won't give me LARTs, they say that's restricted to Michael.)

Japanese defeintly
Brad

Heh.

>Even less probable: Corwin kicks Akio's ass in a Rose Duel

This is only unlikely because the term "Rose Duel" implies that both participants will survive the festivities.

I'm not quite sure whether or not Corwin could bring himself to kill someone, but if yes he'd definitely target Akio.

Unless of course I'm wrong and we won't be ending up in the Tenth World eventually.

Blessed be.
Nathan Baxter
(Yes, Ohtori would have a sword, but I doubt that would work too well vs. 6' of rapidly spinning high-density hardwood.)

not, he wouldn't be much of a Valkyrie.

--G.
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*thinks about that fight scene for a moment more*

GOOD.

Bless de bee.
Nathan Baxter

Unlikely: Akio shows up, and there isn't a one-on-one battle. It's a case of dogpile on the bastard.

Matrix Dragon
"Intelligent beings can't own each other." -Priss, BGC2040

God, I'm in a silly mood this morning. I just envisioned this, with Bugs Bunny on the top, bouncing and chanting, "Dogpile on the bastard! Dogpile on the bastard!"

-- Bob
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>>Even less probable: Corwin kicks Akio's ass in a Rose Duel
>
>This is only unlikely because the term "Rose Duel" implies that both
>participants will survive the festivities.

Very improbable: Akio is killed with in a manner other than in melee or hand-to-hand combat (gun, poison, etc.).

And why not? It's not like he's an honorable opponent. He's a mad dog; put him down like one.

Anyone remember the scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark?

Or, to paraphrase a character of S.M. Stirling's:

"He looked so surprised when Utena gut-shot him..."

Eric J. Heckathorn
ericjh@stargate.net

>Eric J. Heckathorn

That would only happen if Gryphon had the flu at the time, or perhaps in an NXE-style blooper reel.

"Utena, we choreographed a five minute swordfighting scene, and you do that? Where's the drama in that? What do you have to say for yourself?"

"Um...Charlie horse, Gryphon?"

...

--rR

This is why I never would have fit as an author in the UF canon. (Well, one of the reasons.) For instance, my personal response to Akio Ohtori would be to blow the bastard away... preferably with a Barrett Light-Fifty from 800 meters. (I'm assuming, never having seen the anime, that it wouldn't be possible to simply throw him in jail.) And while that's good tactics, it doesn't fit with what I percieve to be the style of the story.

Of course, if Gryphon and Co. wish to surprise me, nothing's stopping them. :)

Eric J. Heckathorn
ericjh@stargate.net

I'd use something like a 20mm minigun with high-explosive rounds.
Or, even better: <Dalek-voice> DEPLOY SPECIALWEAPONS-DALEK! </Dalek-voice>

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"And what _are_ we dealing with? Little green men!?"
"No. Little green blobs in bonded polycarbite-armor!"

Speaking of which, just how good is Corwin with a sword? Granted, as future captain of the Valkyrie, he should be quite skilled, and in Duelists of the Rose, it was said that he had been trained "pretty extensively." Still, given all the people he keeps company with (e.g., the Duelists, Gryph, etc.), how does he stack up?

(This question was inspired after my roommate and I watched a few episodes of Rurouni Kenshin, after which he commented, "Y'know, Kaoru's actually not bad with her bokken, it's just that in the company of Kenshin and Sano, she looks...wimpy...")

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Jeffrey "Sometimes I talk too much" McIntyre

It's been stated in an earlier thread, IIRC, that Corwin is only minimally trained with a sword but hell on wheels with a quarterstaff.

This is, as anyone who has run up against SCAdian staff users, renegade Louisville Sluggers or freak Civil War Reenacting accidents can tell you, no fun to be on the wrong end of.

Blessed be.
Nathan Baxter
(The hell on wheels part is supposition on my part, but c'mon. He's a _Valkyrie_.)

"Minimally trained" for one of the Valkyrior might not equal what most people consider minimally trained in swordplay.

Ard

Ard Sumhenner
Ronin Research, Sacramento, CA

Point and point, but all I'm really saying is that Corwin, given any choice at all, would use a quarterstaff. This is even more pronounced given that Ohtori is a master fencer (Intermezzio).

Blessed be.
Nathan Baxter

In a confrontation with Akio Ohtori, Corwin would prefer to be armed with a heavy ranged weapon - a man-portable particle beam cannon, perhaps, or failing that, at least a phaser compression rifle. Given what he knows of the man after the Spring Formal, he wouldn't waste his time dueling the Deputy Chairman according to any close-combat rule system if he could avoid it. Honorable battle is for honorable enemies.

--G.
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So, siccing the Lensbeagle on Akio and then striking him down while under the influence of Cuteness is acceptable?

Patrick Chester
"...could you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"

Acceptable but probably unworkable. Akio's probably immune to beagles, the soulless bastard.

--G.
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Drat. Guess a few dozen mortars will have to do.

Patrick Chester
"...could you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"

"You -SHOT- me!?"
"I told you I was going to."

-- Juniper

"Lift the world's lid!" ... "For the Revolution of the Restaurant!"
-- Saionji and Miki

Akio isn't worthy of being treated with any respect. The only thing he deserves is a painful death. I doubt that anyone in the UF universe that knows about him will fight fair. Like I said earlier, I'm hoping for a case of dogpile on the asshole.

Matrix Dragon

>Speaking of which, just how good is Corwin with a sword? Granted, as
>future captain of the Valkyrie, he should be quite skilled, and in
>Duelists of the Rose, it was said that he had been trained
>"pretty extensively." Still, given all the people he keeps company
>with (e.g., the Duelists, Gryph, etc.), how does he stack up?

Corwin has had training with all the common weapons of Asgard - dueling sword, greatsword, hammer, spear, 35mm Hellbore, war-axe, bat'telh, discorporation lash, blaster rifle, katar, portable linear accelerator, heavy crossbow, etc., and by mortal standards can probably be considered proficient or better with all of them. He's not large enough to wield some of them (e.g. greatsword, bat'telh) effectively yet, but he knows what to do.

Each Valkyrie has a weapon specialization, one weapon with which she is more skilled than any other in their corps, possibly any other in Asgard. These specializations often show up in their names - Brunnhilde Silverspear, Gudrun Truemace, Vigdis Brightblade. Corwin has been trained by each extant Valkyrie in the use of her favored weapon, so he's learned from some of the best around. Just how proficient he is compared to those in his sister's peer group isn't really known, as he hasn't had an opportunity to fight any of them since we've met him.

His own specialty is the draconic warstaff, a weapon brought to Asgard by the dragons of Alfheim and often wielded by them when they walk the lands in the shape of men. But, again, how good he is with it hasn't been established yet, and if I established it here, we'd all miss out on the fun of seeing it established in the flow of a story later.

--G.
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What the HELL kind of weapon is THAT? A whip that makes molecules fly apart? Dear GOD, how do you train in THAT? (Start with regular whip and work up from there, one supposes.)

>katar

The punch-daggers? Nifty. Must be useful, especially in the powered armor. Of course, most power-armors in UF have something like that (excepting the Griffon, which has got something ELSE for close combat with blades).

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Geoff Depew - Mephron
Haberdasher to Androids, Malakite of Lightning and Angel of Tech Support Professionals
(They won't give me LARTs, they say that's restricted to Michael.)

That's pretty much exactly what it is - basically it's a whip whose business end generates an energy field that works more or less along the same lines as a disruptor. It's a very nasty weapon; comes from Svartalfheim, originally.

--G.
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Ouch! While training with that thing don't make the same mistake I did with a pair of nunchuks. Was talking a little bit higher than usual...

Still thinking of a good sig.....

why am I reminded of the Harlequinn's Kiss?
(for those that aren't familiar with WarHammer 40K, a Harlequinn is a specific type of warrior Eldar (think 'Space-Elf'). The Harlequinn's Kiss is a katar, with a monomolecular monofilament reel inside it...you punch through their armor, unspool the wire, and set it on 'puree')

Why does that strike me as being very loose with the term portable?

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-Pasha
Umm, right....I'll be with you in just a sec now...

>>portable linear accelerator,
>
>Why does that strike me as being very loose with the term
>portable?

Oh, come on. If you could build a linear accellerator with spare parts from a lab dumpster, it can't be THAT hard to build it portable. Slap a minifusion plant into the grip and make the clip in front of the trigger... there you go!

Of course, were I a smartass, I'd have one of those and have painted in very small letters around the barrel four words that would only be read if I literally was about to shoot you in the forehead with it:

"This Side Towards Target".

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Geoff Depew - Mephron
Haberdasher to Androids, Malakite of Lightning and Angel of Tech Support Professionals
(They won't give me LARTs, they say that's restricted to Michael.)

Not really - the Asgardian regular military uses linear acceleration rifles as their standard weapon. The PLA is a slightly larger device than that, more of a squad-level weapon, but it's still man-portable.

--G.
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Oh this is great. Now I have an image of Corwin whiping ohtihori into a ghost state then whipping out a ghost trap and sticking him in a containment unit for all eternity.

Must be from the Ghostbuster quips that snuck in during the discussion of costs.

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Vaughn doesn't know I exist. I guess this explains why the rest of reality keeps ignoring me as well. >_<

If you don't mind me asking:

Why?

Thanks
Luc "Obvious" French

Because you are going to be wrong, frequently wrong, even wrong. And when you say, "I predicted that!" we're going to go back in the records and say, "No you didn't, you said the exact opposite. We gotcha!!"

Well, maybe we won't do that last, but you get the idea. A lot of likely-looking stuff will never happen, and a lot of truly weird shit will happen, and unless you're taking odds on the continued function of the gravitational constant of the universe... well...

Your bet is covered, Joe. };-{D

Redneck

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Ah. I thought that was an instruction, rather then a Free Tip (value: the same as the prize I'm offering if you guess correctly).

If you don't mind doing me two favors, would you please try to phrase things a bit more carefully so you don't appear to be making official rulings, and try and preview before you post? You don't have to do either, but both will save everyone involved a large amount of grief.

Thanks
Luc "Logically illogical" French

Now, really. Why should Kris treat the fans any differently than he treats his fellow authors? ;)

--truss.

Terrorist scum wanna battle hearty? So do I, c'mon let's party!

Warrior's Legacy is down the hall.

Polychrome

When am I gonna learn to just keep my mouth shut...

Terrorist scum wanna battle hearty? So do I, c'mon let's party!

I'm tempted to go with the whole shatter-bastard comment, but instead I'll say that broke me good. Just glad I wasn't drinking Jack and Coke like the last time.

Still thinking of a good sig....