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"BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
 
   Babylon Project Galactic Database
Text Data Extraction Search: Galactic Gazetteer
Summary Document Search: SOLAR SYSTEM SETTLEMENTS
SEARCH COMPLETE: AUGUST 12, 2409

Solar Planetary System
Centaurus Sector, United Federation of Planets

Primary: Sol
Star type: G2V (Main sequence yellow dwarf)
Star generation: 3
Planets in system: 10
Total sapient population: ~ 10 billion

The system of planets surrounding the star Sol is a fairly typical planetary system for a G-class main sequence star, consisting of an inner set of relatively small, rocky planets and an outer system of gas giants. Two of the system's planets support indigenous sapient life. Of those, by far the best-known in the galactic community is Sol III (Earth), which is one of the 17 worlds known to be subject to parallel human evolution.

Since Earth-humanity's contact with Salusian explorers in SY 1999, human, Salusian, and other engineers have worked to terraform a number of the Solar system's other bodies to support permanent colonies.

A brief overview of the system's planets and other inhabited bodies follows.

Sol I (Mercury)
Class:
D
Population: See below
Independent: No
Governing polity: Earth Alliance

Mercury supports only a single permanent settlement: Station Helios, a scientific station operated by the Earth Alliance government for the purpose of monitoring Sol. The station's normal operating complement is 10 personnel, who are rotated in and out in two-year stints. The planet has no full-time inhabitants and no legal structure for same.

Sol II (Venus)
Class:
M (Terraformed; originally Class N)
Population: 150 million
Independent: No
Governing polity: Earth Alliance

Venus was the second planet to be terraformed during the First Expansion. Terraforming operations began in SY 2005 and were declared complete in SY 2017. The effort can be deemed only a partial success. While the planet did become Class M, capable of supporting human life without technological intervention, it remains a place of near-constant overcast with very rainy conditions and a high mean humidity. The majority of humans find it both uncomfortable and gloomy. Venus became independent in 2165, but its citizens voted to join the Earth Alliance willingly when that body was formed in 2390.

Sol III (Earth)
Class:
M
Population: 6 billion
Independent: Yes
Governing polity: Earth Alliance

Evolutionary homeworld of the Solar human species, Earth has gone from an obscure planet of interest only to a few Centauri, Vulcan, and Salusian explorers to one of the driving forces of galactic culture and politics in only a bit more than 400 years. Like most natural Minshara-class planets, it is a place of widely varying climate and condition, and has produced an adaptable and hardy race of people. Its population has varied wildly over its time as a galactic player, ranging from a high of more than 15 billion in the early 21st century to a low of about 3 billion at the end of the War of Corporate Occupation. Immigration from former colonies, advances in medical technology, and a high birthrate saw that population double in the first few stable years after the war.

Sol IIIa (The Moon)
Class:
D
Population: 250,000
Independent: No
Governing polity: Earth Alliance

Earth's only natural satellite had the honor of being Earth's first permanent colony. Though humans first visited the Moon in SY 1969, it was not until the year after First Contact, SY 2000, that a permanent settlement, Tsiolkovskiy City, was established. Interestingly, the Moon's four major cities (all of the domed-crater variety) are all located on the side of the Moon that cannot be seen from the surface of Earth, so that the satellite continues to show its familiar face to the citizens of the mother planet. The lunar colonies have never sought independence.

Sol IV (Mars / Malacandra)
Class:
L (partially terraformed: once Class M, Class K pre-Earth colonization)
Population: 10 million
Independent: Yes
Governing polity: Malacandra Free Republic

When Earthmen arrived on Mars in SY 2002, intending to make the planet their homeworld's first non-satellite colony, they were unaware that Mars already had a native sapient species. In fact, it had three of them, plus a group of previously arrived extrasolar invaders, all of whom pre-dated the rise of Earth's humanity to sapience and all of whom had been driven into underground hibernation by the planet's shift to Class K. A very confusing war resulted when the humans diligently began terraforming the planet, only to awaken the hibernating native Martians in the process. Eventually a peaceful accommodating was reached in which limited terraforming was permitted to go forward and the human colonists were permitted to stay while the surviving Martians resumed their place in galactic society. Today, most native-born Martians of indigenous and colonist stock alike prefer to be known as Malacandrans after the indigenous word for the planet. In 2390, the Malacandran government declined to join the Earth Alliance. When the EA cracked down on internal dissent in 2406, Earthforce declined to press the issue.

Sol V (Jupiter)
Class:
J
Population: 3 billion (see below)
Independent: No
Governing polity: Earth Alliance

Jupiter itself is not inhabited except for a handful of tibanna gas mining platforms in the upper atmosphere, each of which, though a permanent installation, has no full-time population. However, four of its satellites do support rooted colonies:

- Europa, Class M (terraformed from Class L), population 1 billion
- Ganymede, Class M (terraformed from Class K), population 750 million
- Io, Class N, population 350 million (domed-crater settlements)
- Callisto, Class L (terraformed from Class K), population 900 million

Sol VI (Saturn)
Class:
J
Population: 275,000 (see below)
Independent: No
Governing polity: Republic of Zeta Cygni

Like Jupiter, Saturn has no permanent population itself, but supports a handful of gas mining stations and has rooted colonies on several of its satellites:

- Titan, Class M (terraformed from Class N), population 250,000
- Rhea, Class D, population 20,000 (domed city)
- Enceladus, Class D, population 5,000 (domed city)

The government of the Sol VI Territory of the Republic of Zeta Cygni has considered petitioning the Territorial Office for backing to terraform Rhea, Enceladus, and Dione, but the current political situation vis-a-vis the Earth Alliance makes the prospect of attracting populations to make the projects worthwhile questionable at best, so for the time being the project has been tabled. The rumors that Mimas is actually an armored space station intended as a final line of defense were effectively dispelled when it was not employed in the Battle of Titan (2406), but instead just sat there like the pockmarked rock it is.

Sol VII (Uranus)
Class:
J
Population: None

There was one colony in the Uranian system, established on the moon Oberon in 2072. The colony was not an economic success and was abandoned in 2123. Since then, no further attempts have been made to colonize the moons of Uranus. There are unconfirmed rumors that the Earth Alliance has considered establishing a colony on Titania in an attempt to waylay careless travelers bound for Titan. These are probably false.

Sol VIII (Neptune)
Class:
O (terraformed; originally Class J)
Population: 150,000
Independent: No
Governing polity: Earth Alliance

Neptune was the subject of one of the stranger third-generation terraforming experiments: In 2303, the GENOM Corporation's Earth branch launched an ambitious effort to convert the former gas giant into an aquatic world. The experiment was successful, but strangely, people are not exactly lining up to go live on a waterworld such a staggering distance from the system's primary star. The colony passed out of corporate ownership after the War of Corporate Occupation, and the Earth Alliance has never shown any particular inkling that it knows what to do with it. The Neptunians who did show up, though, are a hardy and individualistic bunch, and have so far resisted subtle and not-so-subtle efforts by the EA government to get them to move someplace more convenient.

Sol IX (Pluto/Charon)
Class:
D
Population: See below
Independent: No
Governing polity: Earth Alliance

The twin planetoids of Pluto and Charon were almost kicked out of the official list of planets once, not long after First Contact, but eventually a compromise was reached whereby the two were collectively recognized as a "double planet". Cold and hostile even for a Class D planet, Pluto/Charon is home to one of the Earth Alliance's largest starship construction yards and an extensive Earthforce Navy base, but has no permanently settled population - only military personnel who are assigned there. Charon is also the location of one of the EA's key Solar System Monitor/Distant Early Warning sensor stations. All told, approximately 20 million Earthforce personnel are stationed at Pluto/Charon at any given time.

Sol X (Persephone)
Class:
T
Population: 100 million (see below)
Independent: No
Governing polity: Earth Alliance

The super gas giant Persephone is not itself inhabited; however, its only satellite, Yuggoth, was once the home of a long-extinct civilization pre-dating even Martian sapience by at least 300 million years. It is believed that this civilization was not, in fact, Solar, but that Yuggoth was once a planet in a star system which has since been destroyed, and that it spent some time as a rogue planet before drifting into the Solar system and being captured by Persephone's gravity. The moon was first explored by humans in 2033 and the first permanent settlement was established in 2102. So far from Sol that it is not even the brightest star in the local sky, Yuggoth is a Class K planetoid and its citizens live in a single underground city, Yith.

Other settlements

The remainder of the Solar system's population is scattered throughout the system in various unconnected settlements, including small domed cities on some of the larger asteroids in the Sol IV-Sol V belt and space habitats at a number of the system's key Lagrangian points.

Other interesting facts about the Solar system

The Solar system once had an eleventh planet, Mondas, which was Class M and orbited at a distance of 1 AU directly opposite Earth. This world was also home to Solar humans - apparently another parallel evolution strand - until it was cast adrift by an unknown cosmic accident, possibly coinciding with the arrival in the Solar system of Yuggoth. Mondas is known today as the homeworld of the Cyberrace and has been artificially installed in a stable orbit around Wolf 359.

Another little-known fact about the Solar system is that it actually contains two stars. The other, Nemesis, is a red dwarf star (spectral type M) of sufficiently lesser mass that it orbits Sol in the fashion of a planet rather than forming a traditional binary star arrangement with it. Its orbit lies beyond the Solar system's Oort cloud, at a distance of approximately 100,000 AU. Nemesis has no planets of its own. Its orbital period has been implicated in the cause of several mass extinction events on Earth, but the data supporting this conclusion are still scanty and the matter much disputed.

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  RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System BZArcher Mar-21-08 1
     RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Gryphonadmin Mar-21-08 2
         RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System mdg1 Mar-21-08 3
             RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Gryphonadmin Mar-21-08 4
                 RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System mdg1 Mar-22-08 7
                     RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Gryphonadmin Mar-22-08 9
                         RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System mdg1 Mar-22-08 11
                             RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Peter Eng Mar-23-08 15
  RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Zox Mar-21-08 5
  RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Meagen Mar-22-08 6
     RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Gryphonadmin Mar-22-08 13
  RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Nathan Mar-22-08 8
     RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Gryphonadmin Mar-22-08 10
         RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Nathan Mar-22-08 12
     RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Zox Mar-22-08 14
     RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System StClair Mar-23-08 16
         RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Gryphonadmin Mar-23-08 18
             RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Moonsword Mar-24-08 19
                 RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Gryphonadmin Mar-24-08 20
                     RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Moonsword Mar-26-08 25
                         RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Gryphonadmin Mar-26-08 26
             RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System StClair Mar-27-08 27
     RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System BobSchroeck Apr-06-08 30
  RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System FubarObfusco Mar-23-08 17
  RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System RedOtakuKeith Mar-25-08 21
     RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Gryphonadmin Mar-25-08 22
         RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System RedOtakuKeith Mar-25-08 23
             RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Gryphonadmin Mar-25-08 24
  RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System SneakyPete Mar-29-08 28
     RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System Gryphonadmin Mar-29-08 29

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1. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   Man, I'd hate to draw a Mercury shift. 10 people for 2 years? Yeek.

Thanks! I don't know what brought this on, but it was a nice read tonight.

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2. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   LAST EDITED ON Mar-21-08 AT 10:56 PM (EDT)
 
>Man, I'd hate to draw a Mercury shift. 10 people for 2 years? Yeek.

Hey, you get five new people at the end of the first year!

But, yeah, it's pretty much the worst job in Earthforce.

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3. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   Three Martian races? Barsoomian, J'onn J'onnz-style and ?

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4. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   >Three Martian races? Barsoomian, J'onn J'onnz-style and ?

Burroughs Red Martians, Burroughs Green Martians, and DC Martians (also green).

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7. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   Ah, of course. Although there are technically two subspecies of DC Martians available, should you care to use them....

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   >Ah, of course. Although there are technically two subspecies of DC
>Martians available, should you care to use them....

They're more like tribes; it'd be like claiming the Chinese and the Zulu are separate species...

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   That certainly makes sense (given that their only real differences are philosophical), although that rather odd "Burning Martian" plotline complicates things.

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15. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   >That certainly makes sense (given that their only real differences are
>philosophical), although that rather odd "Burning Martian" plotline
>complicates things.

Fortunately, since Gryphon is the editor, he can quietly drop that plotline down a well, or into a toxic waste dump if that seems better.

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5. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   I'm glad that Pluto's still a planet in the UF universe. I firmly believe that the astronomical powers-that-be should have grandfathered it in when the new rules were passed.

If nothing else, demoting Pluto limits Setsuna Meiou's career options. :)

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6. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   > The rumors
>that Mimas is actually an armored space station intended as a final
>line of defense were effectively dispelled when it was not employed in
>the Battle of Titan (2406), but instead just sat there like the
>pockmarked rock it is.

That's no battle station! </obvious>

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13. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   >> The rumors
>>that Mimas is actually an armored space station intended as a final
>>line of defense were effectively dispelled when it was not employed in
>>the Battle of Titan (2406), but instead just sat there like the
>>pockmarked rock it is.
>
>That's no battle station! </obvious>

It is, indeed, a small moon.

True story: Back in, God, 1993, I took an introductory astronomy course at the University of Maine. The instructor was Prof. Neil Comins, who, among other things, suggested that the key extrasolar system in UF be changed from Beta Cygni (aka Albireo), which is an unwieldy trinary star system, to Zeta Cygni, which was at the time thought to be similar to the Sun. (We now know that it's actually a yellow giant star, and is itself in a binary system with a white dwarf, but that's neither here nor there.)

Anyway, being the intro course, it covered a lot of ground in not a lot of depth, but I very much enjoyed it - especially the section on comparative planetology. This section had many highlights, my favorite of which was when Prof. Comins put up a slide of Jupiter and asked if anyone knew what makes the Red Spot red.

He didn't get any takers at first. There was no shortage of students; the course, being an intro, was one of those ones conducted in a huge lecture hall and mostly full of people taking it to satisfy a minimum science requirement (see also Introduction to Geology, aka Rocks for Jocks). There were probably 200 people in the room, but of those, maybe 10 percent were actually interested in what was going on, and the sheer size of the class made those of us in that minority shy about speaking up a lot in class. So there were a few long seconds of silence before one of the buzzcut beefcakes in the back raised a hand and ventured,

"... Blood?"

Prof. Comins gave him a one-eyebrow look for a couple of seconds, then said, "... Yes. That's it exactly. It's full of blood. From the great Jovian wars. ... But actually, you're not that far off. What makes blood red?"

The reason I thought of this class just now, though, is because of something Prof. Comins said when we got to the part about the moons of Saturn. He was flipping rapidly through a set of slides showing the moons and naming them off as he went.

"Saturn has a lot of moons, including Titan, Rhea, Dione, Tethys, Enceladus, Iapetus, and the Death Star."

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8. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   Speaking as someone who's considered how to terraform even more of the solar system than mentioned here, I'm curious as to what was done get the outer system moons to end up class M rather than class O. Simply warming them up and adding air can't work, as, IIRC, the only one that isn't at least a third water ice is Io. Without that, though, the two choices I can see are some kind of utterly fantastic mass transmutation to make them, well, -not- be made of ice, or some kind of insulating layer between the frozen core and the warm surface.

Or, hm, third, you could warm and melt them, then add artificial lighter-than-water continents, hopefully anchored to the rocky core.

Just wondering.


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10. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   >Speaking as someone who's considered how to terraform even more of the
>solar system than mentioned here, I'm curious as to what was done get
>the outer system moons to end up class M rather than class O.

Science!

... uh, seriously, this is space opera. We don't have to worry about that, and I haven't.

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12. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   *shrug* Works for me. I enjoy messing around with technical questions, but there are indeed story types where they don't matter at all.


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14. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   (Note: the following technobabble has been in no way sanctioned by Eyrie staff, and should not be considered canon...)

They used some of the rock and a fair bit of water to create a silica and water-vapor aerogel layer over the surface. The aerogel insulates the ice from the surface heat. However, it also retains internally-generated heat from tidal action, so large parts of the core are actually liquid water.

The water is pumped up to the surface, as needed, by dropping sealed packages of accumulated heavier-than-water debris down into the core to force water up. This process is vaguely similar to how oil is extracted on Earth by forcing water down into the oil deposits.

Eventually, over the course of centuries, this will result in a world with a solid core and surface oceans, more like the conventional class-M model.

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16. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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I was more surprised by how high the populations were, on dinky little rockballs and water-balloons not even as big as Luna. How do you fit them all, if not at population densities approaching Japan's?


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18. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   >I was more surprised by how high the populations were, on dinky little
>rockballs and water-balloons not even as big as Luna. How do you
>fit them all, if not at population densities approaching
>Japan's?

I'm not sure which ones surprise you. Yeah, the Jovian moons are fairly densely populated, but then, with the exception of Io, they're attractive places to live (and Io may be no fun, but it'll make you rich). Even little Europa, smallest of the Galilean moons, has a surface area (about 31 million km²) more than three times that of China (about 10 million km²), which has a higher population than I've ascribed to Europa here.

As for the others, well... Titan? 250,000 people is about a fifth of the population of my home state of Maine, which is not a place renowned for its population density, and which covers an area three orders of magnitude smaller than the surface area of Titan (86,542 km² vs. 83 million km²). Pluto/Charon? Most of those people live in artificial constructs in the general vicinity of the dual planet, akin to a giant naval base that's next to and gets its mail delivered care of, but is not physically part of, a coastal city. Yuggoth? That's a made-up moon of a class-T super-giant. It's probably at least the size of Earth's moon, if not the size of Earth itself or larger.

(shrug)

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19. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   What's surprising to me about the population of the Pluto/Charon area is less the size per se and more what it implies about Earthforce's size and what relative percentage of the Earth Alliance's total population it probably is. Granted, it has a lot of ground troops, but that's still crews for a lot of ships.


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20. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   >What's surprising to me about the population of the Pluto/Charon area
>is less the size per se and more what it implies about Earthforce's
>size and what relative percentage of the Earth Alliance's total
>population it probably is. Granted, it has a lot of ground troops,
>but that's still crews for a lot of ships.

Well, bear in mind, at this stage in history the Earth Alliance encompasses considerably more than the Solar system. It's re-annexed most of Earth's first-generation colonies (Tau Ceti, for example). The total population of the system here is probably about half the total population of the Alliance as a whole, and 20 million people isn't really a lot when balanced against 36 billion.

By comparison, the United States armed forces - an all-volunteer organization in a country which, unlike the EA in 2409, does not have universal conscription - claim about 1.5 million active personnel and about the same amount held in reserve. Add that up and you have very roughly one one-hundredth of the country's population. 20 million is less - quite a bit less - than a thousandth of 36 billion. Of course, Pluto/Charon is far from Earthforce's only major facility, but you take my meaning, I hope.

Another thing to keep in mind is that there are two major facilities at Pluto/Charon. One of them is an Earthforce Navy base, which implies crews for ships as well as the multitude of logistical personnel and so forth such a facility implies; the other is a major shipyard (the one that builds the Nova-class battleships and whatnot, in fact), and it takes assloads of people to operate one of those.

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25. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   I had thought about the population levels and annexation issue. That's why I was concerned. It was the implications of a military large enough that 20 million people are assigned to just one place (well, two, but still, one planet). That's a lot of guys in EarthForce uniforms to go around.

The shipyard... hmm. Kinda surprised there aren't contractors and whatnot wandering around up there, but then, maybe things are different in EarthForce's construction practices than you see in most modern navies.


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26. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   >I had thought about the population levels and annexation issue.
>That's why I was concerned. It was the implications of a
>military large enough that 20 million people are assigned to just one
>place (well, two, but still, one planet). That's a lot of guys in
>EarthForce uniforms to go around.

Yes, but in proportion to the population of the polity they're part of? Not so striking, really.

>The shipyard... hmm. Kinda surprised there aren't contractors and
>whatnot wandering around up there, but then, maybe things are
>different in EarthForce's construction practices than you see in most
>modern navies.

Maybe in earlier periods, but not in 2409. Civilian contractors aren't subject to military discipline.

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27. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   LAST EDITED ON Mar-27-08 AT 03:20 AM (EDT)
 
I was talking about the Jovian satellites, yes. Sorry for being insufficiently clear.

Something about a billion (or 3/4, in one case) living on bodies I'm accustomed to thinking of as small (relatively speaking) just tripped my Large Number Sensor, I guess. *shrug*


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30. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   >Speaking as someone who's considered how to terraform even more of the
>solar system than mentioned here,

"Why not terraform the Earth, I say?"

(Wish I could remember where I found that, years ago...)

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17. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   So there are 100 million people who can honestly claim to be Fun Guys from Yuggoth? Awesome.


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21. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   Cool! I particularly like the appearance of Yuggoth.

I notice that Eris (aka Xena, aka 2003UB313, aka "the new dwarf planet that led to Pluto getting kicked to the curb") doesn't appear in the list. I take it it's classified as an asteroid/dwarf planet and hence not listed? Or was it destroyed for impugning Pluto's honour? ;)

Just out of interest, have any star systems in UF gone down the Gundam route of building shedloads of orbital space colonies out of asteroid material instead of terraforming their extra planets? In theory, building colonies at the bottom of gravity wells is probably less energy-efficient, but I can see that it would be easier to get people to live on a planet rather than in a giant can.

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22. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   >I notice that Eris (aka Xena, aka 2003UB313, aka "the new dwarf planet
>that led to Pluto getting kicked to the curb") doesn't appear in the
>list. I take it it's classified as an asteroid/dwarf planet and hence
>not listed? Or was it destroyed for impugning Pluto's honour? ;)

Possibly it's just considered a big comet; possibly it wasn't discovered at all; possibly it doesn't even exist.

>Just out of interest, have any star systems in UF gone down the Gundam
>route of building shedloads of orbital space colonies out of asteroid
>material instead of terraforming their extra planets?

Ahem:

"The remainder of the Solar system's population is scattered throughout the system in various unconnected settlements, including small domed cities on some of the larger asteroids in the Sol IV-Sol V belt and space habitats at a number of the system's key Lagrangian points."

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23. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   "The remainder of the Solar system's population is scattered throughout the system in various unconnected settlements, including small domed cities on some of the larger asteroids in the Sol IV-Sol V belt and space habitats at a number of the system's key Lagrangian points."

Sorry, I should have explained myself better. I noticed there were asteroid colonies and space habitats, but it seemed clear that only a small fraction of the Solar System's population lives there; most people live on Earth or around Jupiter. I was wondering whether any solar systems had eschewed the terraforming route entirely in favour of habitats and asteroid settlements.

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24. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   >I was wondering whether any
>solar systems had eschewed the terraforming route entirely in favour
>of habitats and asteroid settlements.

Oh. Not so much, really; they're kind of a side branch of space colony evolution. The ideal thing is to colonize a planet that's already inhabitable. After that, terraforming existing bodies is preferred for colonies normal people are expected to live in. Space habs are handy as travel waypoints, sensor outposts, and that sort of thing, but most people agree they're not fit places to raise children. Awfully high teen suicide rates.

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28. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   Just out of curiosity, does Mars have one or two moons these days? Was one converted into an ill-fated colony freezer ship and sent to Tau Ceti?


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29. "RE: BPGD: Settlements of the Solar System"
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   >Just out of curiosity, does Mars have one or two moons these days?

Two. Only a fool would trifle with the moons of Barsoom.

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