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Steveo
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"Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose"
 
   I haven't read through Symphony of the Sword in years now, but this was a delightful nostalgic trip. It feels just a bit dated, with Google/Bing/Yahoo/<FillInTheBlank> map service on the internet (and the Red Sox breaking the curse), but in a charming way.

Constructive (I hope) criticism:
High Point:
* Character Voice -- You manage to convey the speech in personality fairly well. In some cases little details that I've managed to ignore come vivid in your telling.
* Clarity -- You've got enough talent to be a professional at this, should you want to.

Low Points:
* Interjections - they were a bit too loud when compared to the volume of the narrative. It was just a bit jarring. Easing off just a bit may work a bit better.
* Not too sure of a clever word for this, but you started making some mistakes towards the end. Kinda felt like you were pushing yourself to finish. You can take breaks when you're tired. We'll forgive you. :)


If you decide to do more of the Symphony, I'll be all ears. And typos.
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose Gryphonadmin Feb-03-11 1
     RE: Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose Steveo Feb-03-11 2
     RE: Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose BZArchermoderator Feb-04-11 3
         RE: Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose Gryphonadmin Feb-04-11 4
             That reminds me... Gryphonadmin Feb-04-11 5
                 RE: That reminds me... BZArchermoderator Feb-04-11 6
                 RE: That reminds me... trigger Feb-04-11 7
                     RE: That reminds me... BobSchroeck Feb-05-11 9
                         RE: That reminds me... trigger Feb-06-11 10
                             RE: That reminds me... BobSchroeck Feb-08-11 11
                 RE: That reminds me... Peter Eng Feb-04-11 8
                 RE: That reminds me... Senji Feb-08-11 12
                     RE: That reminds me... Gryphonadmin Feb-08-11 13
                     RE: That reminds me... jonathanlennox Feb-09-11 14
                         RE: That reminds me... BobSchroeck Feb-09-11 15
                 RE: That reminds me... Offsides Feb-09-11 16
  RE: Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose The Traitor Feb-10-11 17
     RE: Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose Gryphonadmin Feb-10-11 18

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Gryphonadmin
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Feb-03-11, 12:22 PM (EDT)
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1. "RE: Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose"
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   > * Not too sure of a clever word for this, but you started making
>some mistakes towards the end. Kinda felt like you were pushing
>yourself to finish. You can take breaks when you're tired. We'll
>forgive you. :)

I suspect that's probably a coincidence; WR was recorded in several sessions, and if fatigue had played a part, you'd most likely have noticed similar issues at several other points toward the middle. (OTOH, I did record the last piece fairly late in the day, so I might have been tired already when I started. General fatigue does mess with my talky parts a bit thanks to the miracle of wobbly Gryphon syndrome.)

That said, if there's a segment that's particularly bad, it could be replaced. For obvious reasons, I don't really "proofread" these, and don't have an engineer listening while I do the recording, so I've only got myself to catch my oral typos. Sometimes things slip past.

I'll see what I can do about the volume levels, too. It's tricky to capture, e.g., a moment when a character is shouting, without actually shouting. :)

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Steveo
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Feb-03-11, 05:24 PM (EDT)
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2. "RE: Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose"
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>I suspect that's probably a coincidence; WR was recorded in several
>sessions, and if fatigue had played a part, you'd most likely have
>noticed similar issues at several other points toward the middle.
>(OTOH, I did record the last piece fairly late in the day, so I might
>have been tired already when I started. General fatigue does mess
>with my talky parts a bit thanks to the miracle of wobbly Gryphon
>syndrome.)
>
>That said, if there's a segment that's particularly bad, it could be
>replaced. For obvious reasons, I don't really "proofread" these, and
>don't have an engineer listening while I do the recording, so I've
>only got myself to catch my oral typos. Sometimes things slip past.

Is nothing extreme or anything, just misspeaking a work and immediately correcting yourself right afterwards.
Oh, I forgot to mention that your audio (read: mic) quality is excellent. Your voice comes through cleanly.

>Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
So, what did Carthage do to you?

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3. "RE: Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose"
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   I'm about halfway through listening to it - I haven't noticed too many problems. A couple of the possible "mistake" areas actually came (I think) when Kaitlyn is speaking, and I put them off to her speech disorder.

I'm really enjoying it, honestly, and just for kicks I compared it to the (very early) audio you did of Hogtown Rhapsody. The improvement in quality is really, really noticeable.

If I have one minor quibble, the master volume level for this and the last few audios (WL: 07, Starcrossed) seem to be a bit low - I play them on my iPod in the car when doing longer drives, and I really seem to have to jack up the volume to get everything.

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4. "RE: Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose"
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   >If I have one minor quibble, the master volume level for this and the
>last few audios (WL: 07, Starcrossed) seem to be a bit low - I play
>them on my iPod in the car when doing longer drives, and I really seem
>to have to jack up the volume to get everything.

Hmm. I've got my mic gain about as high as it will go; for the next one I'll try amping the output a little before encoding and see if that helps without distorting anything. (Running the noise reduction to scrub out the fan noise in the background from the DNS server probably doesn't help.)

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5. "That reminds me..."
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   While I'm tinkering, do people have any thoughts as to file sizes/lengths? I've been aiming vaguely for the 35-45-minute range, depending on scene breaks, because the Symphony movements are longer than, say, the individual pieces of Star-Crossed or Manhunt, but nowadays it's not unusual to get audiobooks that are split up to the tune of six hours per file. The total amount of data involved is the same either way, so I guess it's just a matter of personal preference and download time. I'm game to just do them in single chunks if people would rather not have as many files to juggle, or keep breaking them up into some smaller increment (which could also be adjusted), whichever. It's roughly the same amount of work on my end either way.

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Feb-04-11, 10:46 AM (EDT)
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6. "RE: That reminds me..."
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   Honestly, the file sizes are fine from where I sit. It's also nice in case my audio player accidentally goes on shuffle from one part to the next - much easier to get back to the point in the story I wanted to be at!

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trigger
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7. "RE: That reminds me..."
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   I prefer a slightly shorter file, but hey, I've got a fanfiction audio book that 9 hours long*. So I think you're dong just fine with the 35-45 minute marks. Plus since many of are children of the 80s and 90s we're used to the 1/2 hour tc series that is really 22 minutes, and the tv show that's really 40 minutes. Not to make your life more difficult (more files=more work) but keeping them to under an hour is excellent.

I haven't down the download yet - it's that pesky life/work/paycheck thing that keeps taking me away from the good stuff - but you're on my list for my marathon coding session tomorrow.

cheers,
t.

*and it's totally worth it: Stealing Harry by Sam Storyteller rocks my little world.

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9. "RE: That reminds me..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-11 AT 09:01 AM (EST)
 
>*and it's totally worth it: Stealing Harry by Sam Storyteller
>rocks my little world.

As an audiobook? Where did you find it? Google doesn't turn up anything when I try looking.

-- Bob
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10. "RE: That reminds me..."
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   I was doing a seriously random search (I think looking for the .pdf of The Cartographer's Craft), and came across this audio fanfic archive. Frankly the noise to sound ratio is pretty awful, but I found a couple of Sam's stories here.

hth,
t.

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11. "RE: That reminds me..."
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   >I was doing a seriously random search ... and came across this
>audio fanfic archive.

Thanks, Trigger! As it so happens one of the good folks at my own forums has already found that site and pointed me at it, but I appreciate the response.

-- Bob
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8. "RE: That reminds me..."
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   >...it's not unusual to get audiobooks that
>are split up to the tune of six hours per file.
>
>--G.

If you ever plan on handing out audio recordings at a con as Free Bonus Material, six-hour files might work. But for downloads, the smaller file size seems more reasonable.

Peter Eng
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Senji
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12. "RE: That reminds me..."
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   On the flip side audio-books on CD generally have track breaks every 3-6 minutes. This works surprisingly well even if it does mean you're looking at 400 tracks per novel.


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13. "RE: That reminds me..."
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   >On the flip side audio-books on CD generally have track breaks every
>3-6 minutes. This works surprisingly well even if it does mean
>you're looking at 400 tracks per novel.

... Yeah, I can pretty much guarantee I'm not gonna do that. :)

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14. "RE: That reminds me..."
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   >On the flip side audio-books on CD generally have track breaks every
>3-6 minutes. This works surprisingly well even if it does mean
>you're looking at 400 tracks per novel.

And you can put them on shuffle mode for that William S. Burroughs experience!


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15. "RE: That reminds me..."
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   >And you can put them on shuffle mode for that William S. Burroughs
>experience!

Even better, you can shuffle a William S. Burroughs book back into coherence!

-- Bob
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16. "RE: That reminds me..."
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   >While I'm tinkering, do people have any thoughts as to file
>sizes/lengths? I've been aiming vaguely for the 35-45-minute range,
>depending on scene breaks, because the Symphony movements are longer
>than, say, the individual pieces of Star-Crossed or
>Manhunt, but nowadays it's not unusual to get audiobooks that
>are split up to the tune of six hours per file. The total
>amount of data involved is the same either way, so I guess it's just a
>matter of personal preference and download time. I'm game to just do
>them in single chunks if people would rather not have as many files to
>juggle, or keep breaking them up into some smaller increment (which
>could also be adjusted), whichever. It's roughly the same amount of
>work on my end either way.
>
Personally I'd prefer segments of 25-30 minutes each, but that's just because that's about what my normal daily commute is... :)

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17. "RE: Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose"
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   I loved the audio, and I didn't really catch on it sounding rushed at the end - possibly because Gryphon's stories just sweep me along so hard and fast that I lose myself completely inside them.

A thought occurred upon rereading Christmas Rose, though - given Kate's mania for tiger-striped everything, perhaps she might appreciate coromandel-wood furniture? It does, after all, have a naturally occurring pattern of tiger stripes.

Just a thought, and do feel free to beat me upside the head for it.

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18. "RE: Re: Audio version of Wounded Rose"
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   LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-11 AT 11:26 PM (EST)
 
>A thought occurred upon rereading Christmas Rose, though - given
>Kate's mania for tiger-striped everything, perhaps she might
>appreciate coromandel-wood furniture?

I'd never heard of that before. It is very pretty. Quite beyond furniture, one wonders whether moviegoers might see a more colorful side of their heroine when Zatôichi: Blind Justice comes out around Christmas 2410.

(The joke there being that Ichi would be unaware that the carpenter who remounted her sword for her after the wooden bits were destroyed at the end of Zatôichi vs. the Crimson Lizard used such a striking decorative touch. :)

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