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Gryphon
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"BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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Babylon Project Galactic Database Text Data Extraction Search: Jane's Fighting Spacecraft Précis Search Criterion: F8U-99 SEARCH COMPLETE: APRIL 12, 2410F-8Z Super Crusader One of the Wedge Defense Force's famed "Retrotech" designs from the 2380s, the F-8Z is an Overtechnology reinvention of the F-8 Crusader, a jet fighter built by the now-defunct Chance Vought aircraft corporation of Earth in the latter half of the 20th century. As with all the Retrotech craft, the purpose of the F-8Z was intended to mirror the function of its 20th-century counterpart - in this case, to serve as a carrier-based aerospace superiority fighter with cannon primary armament. The original F-8 was notable in its day for its continued reliance on cannon in an era when most military strategists believed that guided missiles were the future of air combat armament. Indeed, several contemporary designs, including the F-4 Phantom II, lacked any sort of gun armament at all, relying entirely on missiles. For this reason, the Crusader was known in its time as "the last of the gunfighters". In practice, exclusive adoption of missile weapons proved to be tactically unsound, a evolutionary dead end, and subsequent pre-Contact fighters, including later models of the F-4, would have cannons - but never again would an Earth-built fighter rely on guns as primary armament. The cannons on later-model jets and early Earth aerospace fighters like the SF-22 Space Raptor were intended as contingency weapons, for use when missiles failed or were exhausted. Not until the Starfuries began to enter service in the mid-2300s were fixed weapons restored to the apex of the armament pyramid for Earth-built starfighters. The WDF's policy toward fixed armaments has always been more favorable. The VF-1 Valkyrie, which has served as a front-line WDF aerospace superiority fighter for so long that it has become permanently identified with the Wedge Defense Force in the public consciousness, is liberally equipped with blasters, not to mention its equally iconic GU-11 gunnery pod/battroid rifle. Many of the WDF's fixed-configuration starfighters have been Salusian-built, and the Salusians have always respected the gunfighter/dogfighter ethos. Thus, the F-8Z Super Crusader was intended not as a return to, or last echo of, the gunfighting spirit, but rather a celebration of same. With its sturdy spaceframe, powerful single engine, and concentrated firepower, the Super Crusader quickly earned a place in the hearts and souls of many WDF fixed-configuration starpilots. It remains a front-line combatant with the WDF's non-Veritech fighter forces today. Designation: F-8Z Super Crusader WDF Procurement Number: F8U-99 Pilot nicknames: Gunslinger, Zulu Manufacturer: WDF Armory Aerospace Division Entered service: 04/04/2385 Power system: ExoSalusia FR.9g power converter/fusion reactor Propulsion system: Pratt-Whitney XF-9000 axial fusion turbine (rated at 600 KTU) Speed rating: 110 MGLT Flight control system: Virtual Labs, Inc. HotStick-III dynamic flight control/avionics package Maneuver rating: 88 DPF Navigation: Convergent Technologies Ministar-G computer system FTL: None (but see Special Equipment below) Shields: Forward/rear-projecting ExoSalusia G-Barrier Model 28 Shield rating: 50 SBD Armor: Composite-reinforced titanium steel hull Armor rating: 60 RU Description: Carrier-based aerospace superiority fighter Crew: 1 pilot Mass, fully loaded (standard armament): 29,000 lb. Mass, empty: 18,000 lb. Reaction mass capacity: 9,000 lb. DIMENSIONS Length: 54'3" Wingspan, extended: 35'8" Height: 15'9" ARMAMENTS Fixed armaments: 4x WDF Armory GU-11SF 55mm high explosive cannon, lower fuselage Ammunition: 4x 250 rounds Expendable armaments: 2x WDF Armory triple standard-arms pylons 2x WDF Armory twin standard-arms pylons Typical load: 6x AIM-91A Reaper II Medium Range Aerospace Intercept Missile 4x MIM-177X Hornet's Nest Multiple Independent Attack Vehicle Missile SPECIAL EQUIPMENT The F-8Z was intended as a short-range carrier-based fighter, and does not carry an onboard means of FTL propulsion. However, all currently operational Super Crusaders have been retrofitted with metaspace navigation equipment, enabling them to make use of the existing jumpgate network and/or carrier-created jump points. In addition, a Special Space Combat Equipment Package is available for the F-8Z. Similar in design philosophy to the original SSCEP developed for the VF-1, the F-8's model provides additional armor protection, greater top speed, FTL capabilities, and more armament at the cost of sublight endurance. An F-8Z with the SSCEP installed will consume its reaction mass approximately 1.85 times as fast as one in normal trim. The altered specifications of an SSCEP-equipped F-8Z are as follows: Speed rating: Increased to 150 MGLT Maneuver rating: Decreased to 75 DPF FTL: Incom GBk-585 motivator drive unit (hyperdrive) Drive rating: 1.0 Armor rating: Increased to 75 RU Additional fixed armaments: 2x GU-11 55mm 3-barrel rotary gun pod Ammunition: 2x 200 rounds Additional expendable armaments: 4x WDF Armory twin heavy-arms pylons SSCEP-equipped or "Hyper" Crusaders are usually employed in a fast strike role, so their SSCEP arms pylons are commonly loaded with ASM-37 Hellhammer Aerospace Strike Missiles. The pylons can be swapped out for triple standard-arms pylons, which would give the vehicle a very impressive total medium missile payload of up to 22 AIM-91A or MIM-177X missiles (for reference, 22 MIM-117 missiles would be a total of 220 light missile warheads on board), but this has never been done operationally. ANALYSIS The Super Crusader is a highly effective medium aerospace superiority fighter. With its fully aerodynamic profile, it excels in atmospheric combat, an arena in which many modern aerospace fighters suffer, and its space-borne maneuverability is unhampered thanks to the centuries of lessons its designers learned from the similarly-atmospherically-inclined VF-1. It can even fly in an atmosphere with its wings folded in storage mode - a capability shared by its 20th-century inspiration, as several pilots discovered to their surprise when accidentally launched from carrier catapults in that condition. It carries a heavy armament load for its size, equivalent to that fielded by some fighters considered heavies, and the optional SSCE package can convert it into a surprisingly capable strike fighter - one which can switch instantly back to the full-on aerospace superiority role in seconds at the cost of jettisoning the modular enhancement package. The F-8Z really has only two significant limitations. One is its relatively limited range: Without the SSCEP, it lacks FTL capabilities of its own, which is unusual in a modern fighter and could lead to pilots being stranded if their base ships are destroyed or withdraw. The other is its complete lack of any energy weapons: All of the Super Crusader's weapons rely on ammunition. Once it's expended, the fighter is incapable of inflicting further harm on the enemy and must withdraw, if it can. A NOTABLE F-8Z Probably the galaxy's most famous F-8Z is WDF Procurement No. F8U-99-11007, Megadeuce, a Block I F-8Z which entered service in 2386, saw action in the Second Battle of Zeta Cygni and several other significant WDF engagements of the late 2380s and early 2390s with VF-931 (Dead Man's Hand Squadron, WDF Malta CVS-183), and was sold for private use in 2399. This fighter became famous not as a front-line combat aerospacecraft, but in its second career as an asteroid racer. 11007 won the 2408 Avalon Fall Classic with Kozue Kaoru at the controls after the Galactic Asteroid Racing Association disqualified her two-time-winning Z-95 Headhunter, Marvelous Miki, on technical grounds. (The disqualification was later rescinded, but Kaoru was unable to compete in the 2409 Classic, as she was in a WDF Advanced Fighter Combat School candidate class at the time.) OPERATIONAL F-8ZS The F-8Z Super Crusader is currently serving as a front-line carrier-based aerospace fighter with the following forces: - Wedge Defense Force - Royal Salusian Navy - Imperial Salusian Guards - Imperial Gamilon Navy - Zentraedi Battle Fleet No. 17 (Micronized) - Novaya Rossiya Military Space Fleet In addition, the following forces operate F-8Zs from fixed bases or space stations in a patrol or interception role: - Republic of Zeta Cygni System Patrol Service - New Japan Strategic Self-Defense Force - Novaya Rossiya Protivo-Vozdushnaya Oborona (Air Defense Force) NOTE: The Novaya Rossiya forces named above are not to be confused with the armed forces of the similarly-named ex-Russian colony world Novaya Rodina. Zeta Cygni is not allied with and does not sell arms to Novaya Rodina, the Communist government of which the Republic of Zeta Cygni never recognized following the 2350 revolution that brought it to power. FUTURE PLANS The WDF and Royal Salusian Navy are still procuring F-8Zs. An improved model, the F-8ZZ, is expected to enter service in 2412. No current plans exist for the type to be phased out in any force it serves with. End of Text Data Extract thank you for using the Babylon Project Galactic Database |
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jadmire
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Jan-28-07, 07:54 AM (EDT) |
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1. "RE: BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-28-07 AT 07:57 AM (EST) I LOVE this. My late father, a Marine and Pan Am pilot, flew the Crusader off the Saratoga in the early 1960's. Thanks for reviving this great warbird!I note the RZC System Patrol Service is one of the organizations flying the Gunslinger. Is this a specialized branch of the WDF or a separate force answerable to the RZC Government? -Joe- |
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MOGSY
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Jan-28-07, 09:49 AM (EDT) |
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2. "RE: BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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>I LOVE this. My late father, a Marine and Pan Am pilot, flew the >Crusader off the Saratoga in the early 1960's. Thanks for reviving >this great warbird! > ...or as some of us remember it, the A-7, flown up until 1992-1995 by the USAF and Air National Guard :)....
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Offsides
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Jan-28-07, 10:17 PM (EDT) |
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6. "RE: BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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>Just to nit, despite similar heritage and outward design, the A-7 is a >vastly different aircraft than the F-8. > True, but for anyone under the age of 35-40, the F-8 was already gone when we first took an interest in military aircraft, and so our first exposure was to the A-7, and we found out about the F-8 later. Plus, even though there's no validity to the assumption, since 7 comes before 8, one might make the mistake of thinking that the A-7 pre-dates the F-8. But you're right that they are very different once you get past the outside visuals, but at first glance they're not that different...Offsides [...] in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles. -- David Ben Gurion EPU RCW #π #include <stdsig.h> |
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Gryphon
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Jan-28-07, 10:19 PM (EDT) |
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7. "RE: BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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>>Just to nit, despite similar heritage and outward design, the A-7 is a >>vastly different aircraft than the F-8. >> >True, but for anyone under the age of 35-40, the F-8 was already gone >when we first took an interest in military aircraftI'm not sure I'm buying that as an excuse, since the first military aircraft I ever had an extensive knowledge of was the B-17. :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
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Offsides
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Jan-29-07, 12:40 PM (EDT) |
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13. "RE: BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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>I'm not sure I'm buying that as an excuse, since the first military >aircraft I ever had an extensive knowledge of was the B-17. :) > Yes, but the B-17 had a slightly higher profile than the F-8, especially in "pop culture", as it was a staple of WWII movies involving airmen. I'm not saying it's necessarily a good excuse, but it is a valid one...Offsides [...] in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles. -- David Ben Gurion EPU RCW #π #include <stdsig.h> |
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MOGSY
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Jan-30-07, 08:01 PM (EDT) |
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19. "RE: BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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>>Just to nit, despite similar heritage and outward design, the A-7 is a >>vastly different aircraft than the F-8. >> >True, but for anyone under the age of 35-40, the F-8 was already gone >when we first took an interest in military aircraft, and so our first >exposure was to the A-7, and we found out about the F-8 later. Plus, >even though there's no validity to the assumption, since 7 comes >before 8, one might make the mistake of thinking that the A-7 >pre-dates the F-8. But you're right that they are very different once >you get past the outside visuals, but at first glance they're not that >different... I just knew of the A-7 Corsair because Air Guard ones flew nearby all the time when I was a kid, and I came from an Air Force family...I learned of the original Navy version much later... Same thing with the A-1 Skyraider - I first learned of it as the USAF special ops/counterinsurgency/CAS and CSAR bird from the book (HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED) called "My Secret War" by Richard S. Drury, a Skyraider "Sandy" pilot (CSAR yo) and only later, when I began studying the Korean War in some depth, did I learn of the earlier Navy and USMC versions, which flew under several designations (I even learned there was an electronic warfare variant). The A-1 is still one of my favorite all time airplanes. It is a spiritual, if not actual, ancestor to the almighty 'Hawg, and I ain't talkin' bout Halo :) "You can talk about air superiority all day long, but if you RTB and you find Commie tanks rolling through the main gate, then Jack you just lost the war" - Unidentified A-10 pilot, so the story goes (and that's at least 10% truth) |
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Gryphon
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Jan-28-07, 06:26 PM (EDT) |
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5. "RE: BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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>Saw the episode of Dogfights not too long back featuring the >F-8 in VietnamYeah, I, uh, I saw that... last night. Coincidence??? :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
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Orbifold
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Jan-29-07, 04:28 AM (EDT) |
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8. "RE: BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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>11007 won the 2408 Avalon Fall Classic with Kozue >Kaoru at the controls after the Galactic Asteroid Racing Association >disqualified her two-time-winning Z-95 Headhunter, Marvelous >Miki, on technical grounds."Technical grounds"? I had the impression that asteroid racing was an anything-goes sport, or nearly so, as far as vehicles went. What was the disqualification for, if I may ask? |
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Gryphon
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Jan-29-07, 05:04 AM (EDT) |
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9. "RE: BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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>"Technical grounds"? I had the impression that asteroid racing was an >anything-goes sport, or nearly so, as far as vehicles went. What was >the disqualification for, if I may ask? Apparently "Touched by the Hand of God" isn't covered in the rule clause about "all available technologies and preparation techniques," or so that year's Technical Board ruled. Which, y'know, I guess I could see that. I mean, it's not as if that's something the other teams could go out and buy too if they wanted. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
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Orbifold
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Jan-29-07, 05:53 AM (EDT) |
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11. "RE: BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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>Which, y'know, I guess I could see that. I mean, it's not as if >that's something the other teams could go out and buy too if they >wanted. Not that they wouldn't try to make Corwin an offer, if they knew... I'm intrigued by the idea that the race officials know that Corwin's a divinity. Obviously he doesn't really bother to keep it a secret ("I'm the Norse God of Mecha.") but I wouldn't imagine he'd go out of his way to advertise it either. Sooner or later that's just going to attract unwanted attention, perhaps from someone like Chip Mui but without the good intentions. |
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McFortner
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Jan-29-07, 05:48 PM (EDT) |
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14. "RE: BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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>The whole concept was not really intended to be examined this closely. > >--G. Perhaps, but you opened the door on this one and no self-respecting RCW is going to pass up the opportunity! :)
Michael
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Michael C. Fortner RCW #2n+1 "I smoke in moderation. Only one cigar at a time." -- Mark Twain
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MOGSY
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Jan-30-07, 07:53 PM (EDT) |
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18. "RE: BPGD: F-8Z Super Crusader"
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>>>self-respecting RCW >> >>Nah, it's too easy. >> >easy or not, may I point out that Self respecting RCW is, in fact, an >even greater Oxymoron than Military Intelligence? Hey be nice :) "Word. Write letters'n shizz yo" MS Officegangsta
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