[ EPU Foyer ] [ Lab and Grill ] [ Bonus Theater!! ] [ Rhetorical Questions ] [ CSRANTronix ] [ GNDN ] [ Subterranean Vault ] [ Discussion Forum ] [ Gun of the Week ]

Eyrie Productions, Unlimited

Subject: "BPGD: Olympic Games" Archived thread - Read only
 
  Previous Topic | Next Topic
Printer-friendly copy    
Conferences Featured Documents Topic #39
Reading Topic #39
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
22440 posts
Aug-25-04, 04:11 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
"BPGD: Olympic Games"
 
   LAST EDITED ON 08-25-04 AT 04:12 PM (EDT)
 
Babylon Project Galactic Database
Text Data Extraction Search: Almanac of Galactic Events
Event Overview: OLYMPIC GAMES
SEARCH COMPLETE: JULY 10, 2408

The Ancient and Early Modern Games

The Olympic Games have their roots in ancient Earth culture. The ancient Greeks, one of Earth's formative cultures, conducted a massed sporting event every four years as part of a festival honoring their gods, starting around SY -776 and ceasing in SY 394. The ancient Games were simple affairs - the first few consisted of but a single foot race - but their fame was worldwide and endured into the planet's industrial era.

In SY 1894, more than a century before Earth's First Contact with Salusia, a French nobleman founded a society intended to revive the Games in what was then a modern context. Baron Pierre de Coubertin, an avid believer in the power of sport to draw people together, saw his revived Olympics as not only a giant track meet, but also a celebration of humanity. Athletes from all nations and creeds, he said, would be welcome to test their strength, speed, and skill in an atmosphere of friendly competition.

The first "modern" Olympic Games were held in 1896 in the city of Paris. Thereafter, they were conducted every four years, each time in a different city - a departure from the custom of the original Olympics, which were always held at Olympia. In 1924, a second event encompassing winter sports was added. Later, the Winter Games were shifted to an offset schedule so that they were not held in the same year as the Summer Games. This change was made by holding Winter Games in 1992 and 1994, then returning to the four-year cycle thereafter.

Over the course of the twentieth century, the Games grew in scope and pomp, became world events of great significance and interest, watched by billions in person and on television. Great Olympians became household names, just as they had in ancient Greece - known even to people without any other interest in sports. 10,318 athletes competed in 271 events at the 1996 Games in Atlanta, the last summer Olympics to be held before First Contact in 1999.

First Contact, and the resultant explosion of Earth's people and culture onto the galactic scene, left the future - indeed, the relevance - of the Olympics in doubt. For most of the twenty-first century, they continued as an event held only on and including only athletes from Earth, which, as the planet's culture adjusted to the concept of a galactic scale for things, rather relegated them to the status of a county fair.

In the twenty-second century, as Earth's first wave of colonies matured into world-nations in their own right, the Games were expanded to include them. The first off-Earth Olympic Games were the Winter Games of 2118, which were held in Port Arthur, capital city of Ice Planet Halloran V. The summer Olympics followed, going to Berlin, Niogi, in 2124.

To keep the competition fair, only humans descended from Earth's biological line were permitted to compete at this point in history. Now, as the Games expanded beyond Earth and started attracting offworld attention again, public sentiment began to question this policy.

Change came gradually. In 2166, members of the non-Earth species classified as human by galactic medical authorities (Zardons, Corellians, and so on) were permitted to compete. Representatives of athletic federations on other worlds whose inhabitants were athletically comparable to humans began lobbying for inclusion as well, and some were admitted in a piecemeal fashion over the next century and a half.

The galactic turmoil that marked the end of the twenty-third and beginning of the twenty-fourth century called the future of the Games into question again. The International Olympic Committee, which had governed Olympic activities since its foundation by Coubertin in 1894, was dissolved during Earth's civil war in the 2320s, preceding the United Galactica's collapse in the 2330s.

The Second Olympic Revival

With the foundation of the United Federation of Planets and its dedication to the ideals of sentient cooperation and friendship, though, Baron de Coubertin's Olympic movement found new support from an unlikely source. The great Salusian statesman Baron Vlatimyr Arconian, uncle to Queen Asrial I, challenged the first Federation Assembly in 2339 to revive the International Olympic Committee and the Olympic Games themselves, not as an Earth-centered or human-centered event, but as a celebration for all of galactic sentience.

Georges Bacquarac, the last Chairman of the IOC before its dissolution in 2323, objected that the inevitable physical differences between the races would make fair competition between, say, humans and Salusians impossible - making a mockery of the Games. This was the standard objection that had been used by the IOC since the first calls for non-human involvement in the Games.

Bacquarac also said that Coubertin's vision did not encompass Earth as part of a galactic civilization, but dealt only with the planet and its people. To support his argument, he quoted from the great man's writings, saying, "'The strength of Olympism comes to it from that which is simply human, hence worldwide is its essence.'" (Emphasis Bacquarac's.) He also stressed the mention of humanity in another of Coubertin's famous statements, "May the Olympic Torch pursue its way through ages, increasing friendly understanding among nations, for the good of a humanity always more enthusiastic, more courageous and more pure."

Arconian acknowledged that Coubertin had never envisioned Earth as part of a galactic culture - very few people had in 1894 - but argued that, had he lived to see the modern universe, he would surely have objected to the exclusionist policy that ruled the Games from 2000 to 2322. Then he stunned his opponent, who was clearly not expecting an alien diplomat to have read Coubertin, by quoting the Frenchman himself in support of his point - insisting that Coubertin's writings revealed an inclusionist character that would joyfully have embraced a pan-galactic society.

Among the Coubertin quotations used by Arconian in his speech were:

"Racial distinctions should not play a role in sport."

"All sports for all people."

"The Olympic Games are for the world and all nations must be admitted to them."

"The Olympic Spirit is neither the property of one race nor of one age."

The last, Arconian concluded, clearly showed that Coubertin was sensitive to the flow of history and would have wanted his Games to adapt with the times. Had they not already? The 1896 Games hadn't even included women, let alone non-humans, and for reasons similar to those Bacquarac had cited - the inevitable athletic differences between them, differences in muscle mass, lung capacity, and other factors that would make direct strength-and-speed competition between men and women unfair.

"The answer was obvious then and it's obvious now," Arconian said. "You have separate hundred-meter dashes and so forth for human men and human women - simply expand the program. All sports for all people, M. Bacquarac."

Bacquarac protested that such a move would render the Games so impossibly complicated that no organization could ever stage them, let alone observers keep track of them - at which point Arconian, the master negotiator, conceded that this might be so, and made a simple proposal: Let's try it once and see how it goes.

The new, truly international International Olympic Committee had almost a full decade to work out the program for the expanded, all-species Olympic Games. The Games of the CXIV Olympiad were held in July of 2348 in Saenar, the ancestral capital of Salusia - the first time the Olympics were held on a world with a smaller human than non-human population. Nearly sixty thousand athletes competed in more than a thousand events. The Games lasted for a full month, were attended by millions of spectators and watched by a number almost beyond imagining on television. The occasion was the biggest, most complex undertaking ever attempted for non-military purposes... and it was a complete and total success. Thus convinced, Bacquarac became one of the greatest supporters of Olympic universalism, as Arconian's view became known.

The Modern Olympic Games

Today's Olympics are open to all athletes who are physically capable of competing in the events. Traditional and modern sports from a hundred major sporting cultures are represented in the event program, with more under consideration every year. Participant species are broken up into performance classes, such that everyone competing in a particular event theoretically stands a chance of winning. Athletes grouped in one class may attempt to compete in a higher class if they so choose, a policy which has led to a few spectacular upsets since its introduction at the 2352 Mega Tokyo Games.

Some events function differently than others. For example, the shooting sports, which depend on dexterity and visual acuity rather than strength and speed, have different performance guidelines than those of the more vigorous sports like track-and-field. Fencing's guidelines almost completely ignore strength, since it has very little role in defining performance in the sport. In all cases, the formulae that govern the classifications are carefully constructed using the latest scientific data and are constantly under review for fairness.

Arconian and Bacquarac's Games have also revived a feature of the ancient games much admired by historians: The Olympic Truce, under which nations that may be hostile to each other lay aside their differences for the period of the Games, granting athletes and spectators safe passage to and from the event and agreeing that their national problems will not affect their athletes' conduct on the field of play. Later, the Truce was codified into the Babylon Foundation's charter as a prime example of existing international cooperation.

The IOC can fine participating nations heavily or expel them from the Games for violating the Truce. The Olympic Truce's greatest test came at the 2392 Qo'noS Games, during which nearly a third of the participating nations were technically at war with the Klingon Empire. Only three nations were fined for Truce violations and only one, the Cardassian Union, expelled. Cardassia was not permitted to send a team to the Olympics again until 2404.

The Winter Games, revived under the same rules and policies, thrive as well. Though still smaller than the Summer Games by about the same proportion as always, they have grown apace with their summer counterparts and are an arresting spectacle in their own right. Fully 30% of sentients polled after the 2402 Winter Games in Novosibirsk, Earth, said they preferred to watch the winter version of the event.

Summer or winter, Avalon Broadcasting System anchor Jim McKay summed up the feeling of the modern Games best in his opening statements for ABS's coverage of the 2404 Coronet Games:

"Thousands of athletes and millions of supporters are gathering in Corellia's capital this week, gathering to pay homage to Baron de Coubertin's vision. The spectacle they've come to witness combines that most primal of animal instincts, the drive to compete, and that most civilized of sentient behaviors, sportsmanship, across hundreds of species and thousands of sports.

"There are other sporting events, of course - millions of them. Most of them pay more, but when this time comes, that doesn't matter. What all these people are here for now is more than just a sporting event. For an athlete, there simply isn't a bigger stage than this, anywhere in the universe. Milestones will be achieved. Records will be broken. Dreams will be realized... and others lost forever. Lives will be changed in a tenth, a hundredth, a thousandth of a second - at the Games of the CXXVIII Olympiad!"

End of Text Data Extract
thank you for using the
Babylon Project Galactic Database


  Printer-friendly page | Top

  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: BPGD: Olympic Games jadmire Aug-25-04 1
     RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Gryphonadmin Aug-25-04 2
         RE: BPGD: Olympic Games NeoRavenK7 Aug-25-04 3
         RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Meagen Aug-26-04 7
         RE: BPGD: Olympic Games jadmire Aug-26-04 13
             RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Bakadring Aug-27-04 19
         RE: BPGD: Olympic Games RedOtakuKeith Aug-26-04 14
             RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Gryphonadmin Aug-26-04 15
                 RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Dranger Aug-26-04 16
                     RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Bakadring Aug-27-04 18
                         RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Dranger Aug-27-04 20
                 RE: BPGD: Olympic Games jadmire Aug-26-04 17
  RE: BPGD: Olympic Games j Aug-26-04 4
     RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Wedge Aug-26-04 5
     RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Gryphonadmin Aug-26-04 6
         RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Mephronmoderator Aug-26-04 8
             RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Gryphonadmin Aug-26-04 9
                 RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Mephronmoderator Aug-26-04 10
                     RE: BPGD: Olympic Games StClair Aug-26-04 12
                         RE: BPGD: Olympic Games NeoRavenK7 Aug-27-04 21
                             RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Gryphonadmin Aug-27-04 22
                                 RE: BPGD: Olympic Games goldenfire Aug-27-04 23
                                     RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Gryphonadmin Aug-28-04 24
                                         RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Star Ranger4 Aug-28-04 25
                 RE: BPGD: Olympic Games NeoRavenK7 Aug-26-04 11
  RE: BPGD: Olympic Games MoonEyes Aug-29-04 26
     RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Gryphonadmin Aug-29-04 27
         RE: BPGD: Olympic Games info rat Aug-31-04 28
             RE: BPGD: Olympic Games Gryphonadmin Aug-31-04 29

Conferences | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic
jadmire
Charter Member
Aug-25-04, 06:26 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail jadmire Click to send private message to jadmire Click to add this user to your buddy list  
1. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #0
 
   Now that sounds really cool. I think M. le Baron Coubertin would approve of the modern, trans-galactic Olympic Games, too, and I _know_ he'd be pleased beyond words that the Olympic Truce had been revived. Speaking of which: IIRC, the 2408 Summer Games were held in San Diego, on Earth. Given the problems that all UF readers know about that had arisen on Earth over the past few years, how well did the Truce hold up? Did the Psi Corps behave itself when confronted with athletes from worlds like Jyurai, or the Freespacer Alliance (assuming that the Freespacers didn't boycott, after what happened in 2405)? Did any of the Duelists or their friends compete? (I can envision Sky taking the gold for Barsaive in fencing...)

-Joe-


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
22440 posts
Aug-25-04, 08:16 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
2. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #1
 
   LAST EDITED ON 08-25-04 AT 08:23 PM (EDT)
 
>IIRC, the 2408 Summer Games were held in San Diego, on Earth.

Actually, that was a miscalculation on my part; the 2408 Games were held in Aldera, capital city of Alderaan. San Diego was slated for the 2412 Games, although right now I'm not sure the Olympics happened in 2412, given everything else that was going on.

However, the Earth Alliance did send a team to Aldera in '08, and the Pax Olympica (as one of our staffers dubbed it) held up quite well.

>Did any of the Duelists or their friends compete?

Well, it's funny you should ask that...

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
NeoRavenK7
Charter Member
Aug-25-04, 11:15 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail NeoRavenK7 Click to send private message to NeoRavenK7 Click to add this user to your buddy list  
3. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #2
 
   Yes, very cool indeed. :)

-NeoRaven
Hobbes: "I've never seen raisen bran do that before."
Calvin: "I put in an alcaseltzer."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Meagen
Member since Jul-14-02
567 posts
Aug-26-04, 06:47 AM (EDT)
Click to EMail Meagen Click to send private message to Meagen Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
7. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #2
 
   LAST EDITED ON 08-26-04 AT 06:47 AM (EDT)
 
>Well, it's funny you should ask that...
>

Whoa! That looks *cool*! I love the background.

Meagen

--
With great power come great perks.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
jadmire
Charter Member
Aug-26-04, 05:56 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail jadmire Click to send private message to jadmire Click to add this user to your buddy list  
13. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #2
 
   Wonderful picture!! I hope one day you'll be able to tell more of the story behind it...

-Joe-


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Bakadring
Charter Member
1 posts
Aug-27-04, 01:33 AM (EDT)
Click to EMail Bakadring Click to send private message to Bakadring Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
19. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #13
 
   >Wonderful picture!!

Thanks!

>I hope one day you'll be able to tell more of the
>story behind it...

Gryph's playing his cards as close to the vest as he usually does. :) I do know that Mylandah doesn't forgive percieved insults very well. Whether she shows up in a prose work to make trouble for Juri is, of course, up in the air. (no begging :))

---------------------------------------------
<Wedge>: Don't merge the layers. It would be bad.

<Dave>: Define "bad".

<Wedge>: Imagine all the work you've done so far ceasing to exist and every pixel in your image exploding simultaneously at the speed of light.

<R-Type>: Total graphic reversal!

<Dave>: Okay, important safety tip, there. Thanks Wedge.

----EPU Art Crew, Photoshopping tips


  Printer-friendly page | Top
RedOtakuKeith
Charter Member
Aug-26-04, 06:22 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail RedOtakuKeith Click to send private message to RedOtakuKeith Click to add this user to your buddy list  
14. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #2
 
   I love the picture - somehow I'm not in the least surprised that Juri won. She is theoretically a better duelist than the Prince of Cephiro, after all. :D

By the way, do the names/faces of the Earth Alliance and Klingon girls who won silver and bronze have any significance? When I saw the name 'Kanzaki' I thought of Sumire, but she's from Ishiyama.

*cooks up conspiracy theory about Natsuki being Gryphon's secret illegitimate daughter*


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
22440 posts
Aug-26-04, 06:36 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
15. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #14
 
   LAST EDITED ON 08-26-04 AT 06:37 PM (EDT)
 
>*cooks up conspiracy theory about Natsuki being Gryphon's secret
>illegitimate daughter*

Hardly. If she's related to Sumire at all, the relationship is a distant one. Natsuki's mother is the great Akari Kanzaki, who won galactic championships and Olympic medals in about a hundred different sports over the course of a stunning 35-year athletic career before retiring to take up broadcasting. Akari was Gryphon's pick for the first (and so far only) president of the sports division of Avalon Broadcasting. That her daughter competes for the Earth Alliance is thus a bit of a story in itself, and, as you might guess, not an entirely happy one, but it's a story for another time.

... I suppose nothing in what I've just said really rules out the possibility that Natsuki is Gryphon's secret illegitimate daughter, but...

As for the other girl, Dave tells me she's a Klingon version of another Battle Athletes character, but as I've not actually seen that show, I couldn't tell you much more than that.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Dranger
Charter Member
Aug-26-04, 07:39 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail Dranger Click to send private message to Dranger Click to add this user to your buddy list  
16. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #15
 
   LAST EDITED ON 08-27-04 AT 10:30 AM (EDT)
 
>As for the other girl, Dave tells me she's a Klingon version of
>another Battle Athletes character, but as I've not actually
>seen that show, I couldn't tell you much more than that.

The other Battle Ahletes character is Mylandah. I didn't see
the OVA...but I did see victory....Mylandah was quite..scary
in that one.

>--G.
>-><-
>Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
>Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Bakadring
Charter Member
1 posts
Aug-27-04, 01:29 AM (EDT)
Click to EMail Bakadring Click to send private message to Bakadring Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
18. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #16
 
   >
>>As for the other girl, Dave tells me she's a Klingon version of
>>another Battle Athletes character, but as I've not actually
>>seen that show, I couldn't tell you much more than that.
>
>The other Battle Ahletes character is Mylandah. I didn't see
>the OVA...but I did see victory....Mylandah was quiet...scary
>in that one.

Bang on, good eye. (The lettering probably helped, but... :))

Her UF self is much the same way. Competent, quiet, seething with inner rage. She's kept in a training cage and thrown raw meat every now and again. Her object of obsession, Lahrri, will probably turn out to be a member of a rival Klingon house, should she ever be fleshed out beyond the fancies that passed through my brain as I drew her.

---------------------------------------------
<Wedge>: Don't merge the layers. It would be bad.

<Dave>: Define "bad".

<Wedge>: Imagine all the work you've done so far ceasing to exist and every pixel in your image exploding simultaneously at the speed of light.

<R-Type>: Total graphic reversal!

<Dave>: Okay, important safety tip, there. Thanks Wedge.

----EPU Art Crew, Photoshopping tips


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Dranger
Charter Member
Aug-27-04, 10:33 AM (EDT)
Click to EMail Dranger Click to send private message to Dranger Click to add this user to your buddy list  
20. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #18
 
   >>
>>>As for the other girl, Dave tells me she's a Klingon version of
>>>another Battle Athletes character, but as I've not actually
>>>seen that show, I couldn't tell you much more than that.
>>
>>The other Battle Ahletes character is Mylandah. I didn't see
>>the OVA...but I did see victory....Mylandah was quiet...scary
>>in that one.
>
>Bang on, good eye. (The lettering probably helped, but... :))
>
>Her UF self is much the same way. Competent, quiet, seething with
>inner rage. She's kept in a training cage and thrown raw meat every
>now and again. Her object of obsession, Lahrri, will probably turn out
>to be a member of a rival Klingon house, should she ever be fleshed
>out beyond the fancies that passed through my brain as I drew her.

Hehe.....now I have that image rolling through my mind. :)


  Printer-friendly page | Top
jadmire
Charter Member
Aug-26-04, 08:18 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail jadmire Click to send private message to jadmire Click to add this user to your buddy list  
17. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #15
 
   >>... I suppose nothing in what I've just said really rules out the possibility that Natsuki is Gryphon's secret illegitimate daughter, but... <<

...but if UF-Gryphon slept with all those women, or even half of the women, that he's reputed to have slept with, how would he even have had the _time_ to do all the other stuff he's done? He, at least in reputation, makes James T. Kirk look like an anchorite. :D

Seriously, though, there _are_ cases - as bizarre as it may seem to some here - in which Gryph can be friends with a babe without having had an affair with her, or even any particular desire to.

-Joe-


  Printer-friendly page | Top
j
Charter Member
Aug-26-04, 01:20 AM (EDT)
Click to EMail j Click to send private message to j Click to add this user to your buddy list  
4. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #0
 
   Sweetness! And the pic by Dave is something that can be described as a, "I saw it coming, but boy did that surprise me anyway," kinda moment.

But I wonder though; with the vast array of sports obviously made available to the Olympics thanks to the inclusion of other words, would something like, say, Mecha Piloting or Power Armor Wrestling or PA Track and Field made it in, where performance is more based on the Equipment than the abilities of the pilot? Though I acknowledge that the -skill- of the pilot would be taken into account, how would the judges go about measuring the guidelines of the gear?

And were this possible, I'll say only one more thing and shut up; Corwin would probably clean up in the Mecha Piloting events. *snicker*

(Note: feel free to flame me horribly if you think this question is irrelevant; it's just idle curiousity on my part...)

j -_-

"That which is dreamed can never be lost, can never be undreamed."
----- Master Li, _Sandman_


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Wedge
Charter Member
Aug-26-04, 01:50 AM (EDT)
Click to EMail Wedge Click to send private message to Wedge Click to add this user to your buddy list  
5. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #4
 
   >But I wonder though; with the vast array of sports obviously made
>available to the Olympics thanks to the inclusion of other words,
>would something like, say, Mecha Piloting or Power Armor Wrestling or
>PA Track and Field made it in, where performance is more based on the
>Equipment than the abilities of the pilot? Though I acknowledge that
>the -skill- of the pilot would be taken into account, how would the
>judges go about measuring the guidelines of the gear?

That'd be like making NASCAR an Olympic sport. And even though I dig NASCAR, uhhh, no. :)


Chad Collier
J. Random Pixel Pusher
Digital Domain
The Captain of the Gravy Train
Solar Sailing, on the other hand...


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
22440 posts
Aug-26-04, 05:59 AM (EDT)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
6. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #4
 
   >But I wonder though; with the vast array of sports obviously made
>available to the Olympics thanks to the inclusion of other words,
>would something like, say, Mecha Piloting or Power Armor Wrestling or
>PA Track and Field made it in, where performance is more based on the
>Equipment than the abilities of the pilot?

The Olympic Games don't include sports involving powered contraptions. This is true in real life and it's true in the 25th century. Some of the sports do involve mechanical things (bicycle racing, archery, the pole vault), but with the exception of the shooting sports and, I suppose, sailing, the machines are powered by the athletes, not some kind of external power source.

Basically, if it has a motor, it's not involved in an Olympic sport. You'll notice snowmobile racing isn't on the program at the Winter Games.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Mephronmoderator
Charter Member
1898 posts
Aug-26-04, 11:06 AM (EDT)
Click to EMail Mephron Click to send private message to Mephron Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
8. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #6
 
   >Basically, if it has a motor, it's not involved in an Olympic sport.
>You'll notice snowmobile racing isn't on the program at the Winter
>Games.

Of course, that probably doesn't stop someone trying to start something like that up every few years. But without the cachet that the Olympics have, it probably falls down pretty quickly when the shooting starts.

--
Geoff Depew - Darth Mephron
Haberdasher to Androids, Dark Lord of Sith Tech Support.
"Brazil has decided you're cute."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
22440 posts
Aug-26-04, 12:29 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
9. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #8
 
   >>You'll notice snowmobile racing isn't on the program at the Winter
>>Games.
>
>Of course, that probably doesn't stop someone trying to start
>something like that up every few years. But without the cachet that
>the Olympics have, it probably falls down pretty quickly when the
>shooting starts.

The X Games do all right, and they have things like motocross and snowmobile racing. They're their own thing, though, and, while entertaining in a "kids these days sure do some crazy stuff" kind of way, they sure aren't the Olympics. Nobody, to my knowledge, has ever seriously claimed that the X Games are about promoting international fellowship and the glory of sport. :)

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Mephronmoderator
Charter Member
1898 posts
Aug-26-04, 01:23 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail Mephron Click to send private message to Mephron Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
10. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #9
 
   >The X Games do all right, and they have things like motocross and
>snowmobile racing. They're their own thing, though, and, while
>entertaining in a "kids these days sure do some crazy stuff" kind of
>way, they sure aren't the Olympics. Nobody, to my knowledge, has ever
>seriously claimed that the X Games are about promoting international
>fellowship and the glory of sport. :)

MAn, there's a mental image: the FI equivalent of the X-Games. Not only do you get motocross and snowmobile racing, but mecha events and things like like.

The only major event they don't have is probably... asteroid racing!

--
Geoff Depew - Darth Mephron
Haberdasher to Androids, Dark Lord of Sith Tech Support.
"Brazil has decided you're cute."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
StClair
Charter Member
834 posts
Aug-26-04, 05:50 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail StClair Click to send private message to StClair Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
12. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #10
 
   >MAn, there's a mental image: the FI equivalent of the X-Games. Not
>only do you get motocross and snowmobile racing, but mecha events and
>things like like.
>
>The only major event they don't have is probably... asteroid racing!

I'll wager they do, however, have pod racing.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
NeoRavenK7
Charter Member
Aug-27-04, 04:55 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail NeoRavenK7 Click to send private message to NeoRavenK7 Click to add this user to your buddy list  
21. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #12
 
   >>MAn, there's a mental image: the FI equivalent of the X-Games. Not
>>only do you get motocross and snowmobile racing, but mecha events and
>>things like like.
>>
>>The only major event they don't have is probably... asteroid racing!
>
>I'll wager they do, however, have pod racing.

Whoah, now there's a thought. Gryphon, was Lord Vader ever involved in that sport and do you think we'll see him at it again?

-NeoRaven
Hobbes: "I've never seen raisin bran do that before."
Calvin: "I put in an alcaseltzer."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
22440 posts
Aug-27-04, 05:18 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
22. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #21
 
   >Gryphon, was Lord Vader ever involved in that sport
>and do you think we'll see him at it again?

Pod racing was invented in 2296, so, no.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
goldenfire
Charter Member
517 posts
Aug-27-04, 11:21 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail goldenfire Click to send private message to goldenfire Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM Click to send message via ICQ  
23. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #22
 
   >>Gryphon, was Lord Vader ever involved in that sport
>>and do you think we'll see him at it again?
>
>Pod racing was invented in 2296, so, no.

is Ani?


- nearly trashed up a rental car in the process of breaking open a
gang of car/flyer thieves (I'm sure Ani-chan would approve, you can
tell him if you think he'll behave ;)



==Goldenfire
And who exactly is this diabolical 'they' to which we keep referring? If there's some grand conspiracy going on, the right hand doesn't appear to know what the left is doing. --Raziel (Soul Reaver II)


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
22440 posts
Aug-28-04, 01:16 AM (EDT)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
24. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #23
 
   >>>Gryphon, was Lord Vader ever involved in that sport
>>>and do you think we'll see him at it again?
>>
>>Pod racing was invented in 2296, so, no.
>
>is Ani?

Don't you guys have anything better to do?

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Star Ranger4
Charter Member
2483 posts
Aug-28-04, 01:59 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail Star%20Ranger4 Click to send private message to Star%20Ranger4 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM  
25. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #24
 
   >>>>Gryphon, was Lord Vader ever involved in that sport
>>>>and do you think we'll see him at it again?
>>>
>>>Pod racing was invented in 2296, so, no.
>>
>>is Ani?
>
>Don't you guys have anything better to do?
>
I do... but it does look like they dont.

Guys, lets not taunt the happy fun editor by investigating to closely?

If its important, it will show up in print eventually.

Of COURSE you wernt
expecting it!
No One expects the
FANNISH INQUISITION!

RCW# 86


  Printer-friendly page | Top
NeoRavenK7
Charter Member
Aug-26-04, 04:51 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail NeoRavenK7 Click to send private message to NeoRavenK7 Click to add this user to your buddy list  
11. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #9
 
   >Nobody, to my knowledge, has ever
>seriously claimed that the X Games are about promoting international
>fellowship and the glory of sport. :)

Amen. Although most of the people I've seen who do partake do seem to be very sportsman like.

As for what Mephron said about Asteroid Racing... That would be in a class all it's own. Sign me and my stealth interceptor up! ;)

-NeoRaven
Hobbes: "I've never seen raisen bran do that before."
Calvin: "I put in an alcaseltzer."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
MoonEyes
Member since Jun-29-03
1126 posts
Aug-29-04, 01:11 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail MoonEyes Click to send private message to MoonEyes Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via ICQ  
26. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #0
 
   One thing that MIGHT be a bit interesting, in relation to the mecha things, as well, as to our own Games is the question of...performance enhancements. Both the medical types and others, like mechanical aids. Or, for that matter, using extra-sensory means. Teeks or Force-users aiding in the shot-put or javelin, cyber-ware aiding in aiming or as enhancers for strength and speed, things like this? So, does this happen during the new and modern Games?

...!
Stoke Mandeville, Esq & The
Victorian Ballsmiths
"Nobody Want Verdigris-
Covered Balls!"


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
22440 posts
Aug-29-04, 01:44 PM (EDT)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
27. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #26
 
   >Teeks or Force-users
>aiding in the shot-put or javelin, cyber-ware aiding in aiming or as
>enhancers for strength and speed, things like this? So, does this
>happen during the new and modern Games?

I imagine they happen, in much the same way that doping happens in today's Games, and it's reacted to by the IOC in about the same way. It's cheating, and cheating isn't tolerated.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
info rat
Charter Member
Aug-31-04, 06:38 AM (EDT)
Click to EMail info%20rat Click to send private message to info%20rat Click to add this user to your buddy list  
28. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #27
 
   Wouldn't this bar Detians from competing in the Games? If I remember correctly, didn't Dorothy mentioned that some sports committe ruled that Detianism as an illegal performance-enhancing condition and barred some of the members from competition? Wonder if it's the same with the IOC.

---------
-"I came, I saw, I sought therapy. And it hurts"-


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
22440 posts
Aug-31-04, 10:26 AM (EDT)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
29. "RE: BPGD: Olympic Games"
In response to message #28
 
   >If I remember
>correctly, didn't Dorothy mentioned that some sports committe ruled
>that Detianism as an illegal performance-enhancing condition and
>barred some of the members from competition?

That was the International Gravityball Federation, and a lot of people are convinced that they did that specifically to get rid of Morgan's Marauders.

>Wonder if it's the same with the IOC.

Well, on the one hand, a person would be hard pressed to find a sport sanctioning body fussier and more hung up on small details and blind adherence to the letter rather than the spirit of policies than the International Olympic Committee. (Just ask Andreea Raducan.) On the other, they'd actually have a point with that, since Detianism does arguably provide a superhuman level of endurance. Also, unlike some augmentations (cybernetic implants, for instance, or telepathy) the benefits of Detianism can't be turned off for the competition.

It might be reasonable to permit Detians in one of the other performance classes, but they'd be competing at a disadvantage there, since you may get superhuman endurance out of the deal, but you don't get any particular boost to strength, agility, hand-eye coordination, etc. Still, there's nothing in the rules barring anybody from competing at a disadvantage if they want to.

All in all, I think this is another of those things that needn't be explored in too much depth.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top

Conferences | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic

[ YUM ] [ BIG ] [ ??!? ] [ RANT ] [ GNDN ] [ STORE ] [ FORUM ] GOTW ] [ VAULT ]

version 3.3 © 2001
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited
Benjamin D. Hutchins
E P U (Colour)