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"BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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Babylon Project Galactic Database Text Data Extraction Search: International Police Allied Personnel Personnel Data: Avatar KORRA SEARCH COMPLETE: JANUARY 4, 2411Full name: Korra Also known as: Avatar Korra, Shuibùluò Kēlā (Dìqiú/Chinese alias), Mizuzoku Kōra (Zipang/Japanese alias), Korra Tonraqsdottir, etc. Species: Human Date of birth: Siyue 14, 153 ASC (April 14, 2272 GSC) Place of birth: Senna Village, Southern Water Tribe, Dìqiú Height: 5'7" Weight: 142 lbs. Eyes: Blue Hair: Dark brown Adjusted Wolfe-DeKok Intelligence Index: 125 Affiliation: Dìqiú; Order of the White Lotus; Order of the Rose Base of operations: Republic City, United Republic of Nations, Dìqiú First International Police contact: June 25, 2391 IPO initial contact officer: Benjamin D. Hutchins IPO trust level: A Test of Light administered: June 27, 2391 Test of Light administered (yes, again): August 18, 2391 Grade: Grey Lensman Other special qualifications/certifications: - Master Waterbender (T'ai chi ch'uan mastery equivalent) - Master Earthbender (Hung Gar kung fu mastery equivalent) - Master Firebender (Northern Shaolin kung fu mastery equivalent) - Master Airbender (Baguazhang mastery equivalent) - Master Waterbending Healer - Metalbender - Lightningbender - Energybender - Veilbender - Master, Harmonious Fist School (traditional Dìqiú swordsmanship method, comparable to wudan) - Master, tessenjutsu (equivalent) - Journeywoman, kenjutsu / iaijutsu (equivalent) - BS Civil Engineering, Ba Sing Se University, 2299 - BA World History (with minor in Sociology), Ba Sing Se University, 2300 - MS Government and Public Administration, Republic City University, 2304 - Professional Bending Hall of Fame - Taikonaut, United Republic Space Administration - United Republic Red Cross Certified Search and Rescue Canursine Handler - Special Investigator, Republic City Police Department, Republic City, United Republic, Dìqiú - Deputy police officer, Ovsyanikovgrad, Wrangelia, Ice Planet Halloran V Other grades/titles: - Avatar - Honorary Kyoshi Warrior - Honorary life member, United Earthbender-Constructors - URSA Lunar Exploration Medal Description: Korra is an attractive human woman who appears to be in her late teens or early twenties, with medium-brown skin, eyes of an unusually intense blue, and dark brown hair which she customarily wears in a high ponytail and sidelocks. She is of slightly less than average height for a human female and ruggedly athletic, with a swimmer's powerful legs and shoulders. She favors sturdy, functional clothing, usually in shades of blue, and prefers to leave her arms bare whenever possible. Notes: Korra comes from the Enigma sector world of Dìqiú, which is an astral/temporal "shadow" overlapping the more commonly known Japanese colony, Zipang. About one in a hundred people in Dìqiú has the metapsionic ability to manipulate (or, in the local parlance, "bend") one of the four classical elements (earth, water, air, or fire). Over the thousands of years since this ability first emerged in the world's native human species, traditional methods of employing them have evolved, much like conventional and metapsionic martial arts in many other places, and elaborate cultural and religious structures have developed around bending and benders. At any given time, one person in Dìqiú will possess what is known as the "Avatar Spirit", an innate spiritual connection to the very active local astral plane. This person, unsurprisingly known as the Avatar, has the unique ability to bend all four elements, and other paranormal abilities besides. The Avatar Spirit is reincarnative, which is to say, there is only ever one living Avatar at a time. When one dies, the next is born; each is traditionally looked to as an agent to balance and harmonize the world. Expectations, as you might imagine, are very high. Avatars are not commonly identified until adolescence, but there have been exceptions, and Korra is one of them; she discovered her ability to bend more than one element at a very early age. Unfortunately, the organization charged by her predecessor with locating, protecting, and aiding his successor after his death weren't quite prepared for that, and her upbringing and training were markedly improvisational as a result. Where prior Avatars had traveled the world to research and master the traditional ways of handling the elements as young adults, Korra was kept in one place and masters of the various bending arts were brought to her. This kept her safe from harm and provided a broad grounding in the mechanics of many forms, but it also meant that she was largely unprepared for anything other than a fight when the time came to confront the wider world. Complicating the situation somewhat was the fact that, in the late 23rd century, Dìqiú was entering a period of rapid and accelerating social and technological change, roughly akin to that experienced by Earth's cultures in the late 19th and early 20th centuries SC. After millennia of only-very-slow scientific progress and a largely static agrarian society, the world was entering its industrial/technical revolutionary period, and during Korra's early career as a public figure, it charged straight on into its aviation, electronic, and even early space ages. Any exohistorian can tell you that this period is an exciting one in any society's evolution, but also one fraught with instability and troubles. Couple that with the scientific discovery of Dìqiú's unique place in the cosmos, contact with Zipang, and the rest of the (previously believed to be uninhabited) universe, and you have a bewildering time to be anyone in Dìqiú, let alone the person charged with maintaining "balance" in a world where the very definition of that term is constantly at least up for debate, if not actually changing at all times. Hampered by her sheltered upbringing and the fact that she'd emerged from her seclusion into a world just on the cusp of significant sociopolitical upheavals, Korra had her work cut out for her just surviving her early career, much less succeeding. Fortunately, surviving and ultimately succeeding are things she's innately very good at, and her long career to date, though signposted with both failure and triumph, has logged rather more of the latter than the former. Facing a bigger, more complicated task than any Avatar before her, she's employed her natural talents and her gift for hard work and risen ably to the challenge. Among many other things, she was one of her world's pioneering spacefarers, participating in the first voyage by people from Dìqiú to the planet's moon, Yue; played a major role in the opening of official contact with Zipang and, through it, the "big universe"; spearheaded the rescue and recovery efforts in the wake of a massive earthquake that nearly leveled a major city; and co-invented electronic mail. [Seriously? -V-] [Seriously. Don't knock it, that's a big moment for any civilization. --G.] In 2391, while investigating the disruptions in Dìqiú's Spirit World caused by the Ragnarök, Korra visited New Avalon for the first time. Within a few hours of arriving in the city, she'd made contact with a rookie New Avalon Police Department officer, Patrolman Ragnar Ragnarsson, and gotten entangled in a clash with one of the young city's emerging underworld organizations. Shortly thereafter she sought out Benjamin "Gryphon" Hutchins, then only a few months into the process of organizing and preparing the International Police Organization for action, to ask him about his role in the events that caused the Spirit World issues. Within another hour or two, she and the Chief were buddies for life, whereupon she found herself on Tomodachi, helping to deliver his son Corwin. [That is how this Avatar rolls. -V- ] This was not too daunting a task for a person fully qualified in both medical chi manipulation and her native culture's long and honorable tradition of midwifery. When she could stand up again, Skuld administered the Test of Light without hesitation. And then administered it again a few weeks later, [for reasons which remain classified above your level, buddy. -V-] As previously described, Avatar Korra possesses the metapsionic ability to control the four classical elements of her homeworld's magisphere: earth (for which read primarily silicates), air, fire, and water. These elements are traditionally controlled (or "bent", to use the term most common in Dìqiú) using somatic chi-focus techniques which bear striking similarities to various Earth-Asian martial arts. Korra has studied these techniques intensively for most of her long life, and as such is, in effect, a master of many forms of personal combat. She's also mastered a number of advanced bending techniques, such as the extension of firebending to the generation and manipulation of electrically charged plasma (more commonly known as lightning), and (as noted above) the use of waterbending and chi manipulation to treat injury and disease. Moreover, after several early experiences with adversaries who could interfere with bending abilities, she took it upon herself to train extensively in ways of fighting without them if need be. The combination makes her a very dangerous opponent in hand-to-hand combat, particularly added to her innate determination and her natural capacity for punishment, both of which are impressive. She is easily the equivalent of an Experts of Justice-level operative in this regard, and that's before you get into her abilities beyond her (closely intertwined) bending abilities and fighting skills. To wit, Korra possesses certain paranormal powers unique to the current holder of the Avatar Spirit. Through her innate connection to the Spirit World, she can call upon the power and experience of any or all of her predecessors as Avatar (all of whom now dwell there). As there were quite a number of those, this places at her disposal a vast reserve capability, with which she can, if necessary, pull off feats of elemental manipulation once thought the sole preserve of high-ranking divine and infernal beings. As accessing this reservoir (by entering an altered state of consciousness known as the Avatar State) is both taxing and potentially dangerous, she prefers to limit the demands she places on it as much as practicable. This ability also enables her to utilize the Spirit World as an intermediate medium for metacosmic planeshifting, enabling her to, for example, travel from Dìqiú to points in the "big universe" without going the long way around, or even accessing the higher planes - a trick known by its few practitioners as "veilbending". Korra possesses one other superhuman ability which she herself is at a loss to explain. Though she is now nearly 140 years old, she does not appear to have aged since her late teens. Although this was the time at which she achieved her first full realization of the Avatar State, there is no precedent in Dìqiú's recorded history for such a thing having happened to any other Avatar. Both metaphysical and medical investigations into the matter have proved unilluminating. For good or ill, it appears that she simply does not age, though for how long this condition will persist is impossible to predict. Both physically and psychologically, Korra can take quite a beating, but her real strength lies not in resisting hardship, but in coming back from it. Her full-speed approach to life and her considerable depth of feeling make her vulnerable to being knocked down - sometimes knocked down hard - by reversals of fortune both physical and emotional, but only a fool equates "down" with "out" in her case. [I get knocked down, but I get up again. You're never gonna keep me down. -V-] [Aaurgh! Earworm! Earworm! -LD] Coupled to this resiliency is an enormous capacity for hard work. If a subject or undertaking interests Korra (or if she believes it's necessary, regardless of interest), she will apply herself to it with ferocious devotion and intensity, even if - as with her early studies of airbending - that is exactly the least efficient way to go about it. Eventually, she'll manage to bull through (or, on occasion, randomly have the "right" method suddenly fall into place for her after a period of beating her head against the wall). In this way she mastered the elements, their subsidiary and extended forms, various non-bending ways of fighting, stateswomanship and/or talking to unpleasant people without punching them, civil engineering, and the mysterious and intricate art of making that rock candy that somehow has words in the middle of it. [Really? I've always wondered how that works. -LD] With this tendency, an enduring love of novelty, and a studied responsiveness to the ever-shifting demands of serving the public trust, Korra has accumulated a wide-ranging and eclectic education beyond her fighting skills. As mentioned above, she's a qualified civil engineer (because a surprising amount of the Avatar's job involves building things), and though too innately plain-spoken to make a real diplomat, she's surprisingly good at working a room, particularly within the systems of governance long established in Dìqiú, where she knows all the ins and outs. She's also widely read, well-spoken when she needs to be, and conversant with the customs, folklore, and philosophies of her world's various nations, the better to maintain smooth relations between them. Despite the vast power at her disposal, her deep connection to otherworldly affairs, and her inexplicably extended lifespan, Korra remains fiercely, joyously, willfully human, in the messiest, most diligently imperfect sense of the word. Big-hearted, bull-headed, and empathetic even toward people who have wronged her, she's always ready to hug a friend, right a wrong, help someone in need, punch someone who needs punching, and stick up for the underdog. She has faults and she's the first to acknowledge them, but a willingness to settle for half-measures is not among them. This, then, is no carven ivory idol or inscrutable, unapproachable ancient sage, but a cheerful, two-fisted girl-at-heart of action who wears her capacity both to exult and to fall as a badge of honor. She is reputed to have once remarked, "If I ever get to the stage where I can't screw up, I'm done. Then it'll be time for a new Avatar." Present disposition: The importance of Korra's function as Avatar of Dìqiú is such that she rarely leaves the world, and never for very long if she can avoid it. It is mainly for this reason that she is not a full member of the IPO, though given her long-standing ties of friendship with the Chief and his family, many consider her an honorary member of Special Assignment 11 anyway. As quasi-official delegate from the United Republic (the polity onto which Dìqiú's other nations devolve responsibility for interplanetary relations) to the Babylon Foundation, she serves as the key liaison point between the IPO and Dìqiú's principal law enforcement agencies, and customarily participates in the rare joint operations between them. End of Text Data Extract thank you for using the Babylon Project Galactic Database |
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Mercutio
Member since May-25-13
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Sep-20-13, 02:05 AM (EDT) |
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5. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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> - BS Civil Engineering, Ba Sing Se University, 2299 > - BA World History (with minor in Sociology), Ba Sing Se University, >2300 > - MS Government and Public Administration, Republic City University, >2304 Aww, nothing from the Royal Fire Academy? >When she could stand up again, Skuld >administered the Test of Light without hesitation. Man alive, the Order of the White Lotus must have freaked out about that one when they read her after-action report. JINORA So this extremely powerful otherworldly spirit- KORRA They call them gods out there, actually. It means something slightly different in their context, see, their cosmology is layered on top of ours, it's pretty cool. But yeah, Skuld is up there with, like, Agni, or Yue. So you're kind of right. JINORA May I proceed? KORRA Please do. JINORA Thank you. So this... extremely powerful 'god', whom you'd just met a few hours beforehand, wanted to subject you to a spiritual test of worthiness you'd never heard of before, that, if you fail, kills you stone dead on the spot, no takebacks. Without really solid knowledge about what happens if you die offworld. KORRA Well when you put it like that it sounds really dumb- okay, so you're laughing now, and I'm a little scared. JINORA No, no. It's... I just realized, this must be exactly what my father felt like when you rolled into his meditation room and told him that on the day of the most dangerous cosmological conjunction in existence, your girlfriend was going to strap you into a tin can, stand it on top of a truly enormous amount of high explosives, and shoot you to the moon. Heeeeee. > As quasi-official >delegate from the United Republic (the polity onto which Dìqiú's >other nations devolve responsibility for interplanetary relations) to >the Babylon Foundation, she serves as the key liaison point between >the IPO and Dìqiú's principal law enforcement agencies, and >customarily participates in the rare joint operations between them. It is now part of my headcanon that the first time Korra met Commander Shepard, it was part of extended misunderstanding/firefight that broke out in the combination embassy/restaurant/bar Korra maintains on Babylon 5 on behalf of her government. You know the place. They call it Korra's Den. -Merc Keep Rat "The policeman in that intersection is not directing traffic. He's coding an urgent message to all of us." |
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pjmoyer
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Sep-20-13, 02:30 AM (EDT) |
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6. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-20-13 AT 03:22 AM (EDT) >> - BS Civil Engineering, Ba Sing Se University, 2299 >> - BA World History (with minor in Sociology), Ba Sing Se University, >>2300 >> - MS Government and Public Administration, Republic City University, >>2304 > >Aww, nothing from the Royal Fire Academy? She's still working on her Ph.D. from there. It's just taken a bit longer than she planned. --- Philip
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Gryphon
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Sep-20-13, 10:57 AM (EDT) |
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9. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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On a point of order: Failing the Test of Light is nor normally fatal, just disappointing (and a bit embarrassing, usually). The one time that happened, it was because of a glitch in the testing system which Skuld immediately corrected, through which she was unexpectedly able to misread the result and make a Lens for someone who had no business having one. I'm not going into the details here; the important thing is, that is not the customary outcome. It happened once and the conditions that led to it have been corrected. >that on the day of the most dangerous cosmological conjunction in >existence, your girlfriend was going to strap you into a tin can, >stand it on top of a truly enormous amount of high explosives, and >shoot you to the moon. Heeeeee. Actually, there weren't a lot of explosives involved in the Phoenix Flight. That's WHY they did it on Comet Day. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Mercutio
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Sep-20-13, 03:14 PM (EDT) |
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13. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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>On a point of order: Failing the Test of Light is nor normally fatal, >just disappointing (and a bit embarrassing, usually). The one time >that happened, it was because of a glitch in the testing system which >Skuld immediately corrected, through which she was unexpectedly able >to misread the result and make a Lens for someone who had no business >having one. I'm not going into the details here; the important thing >is, that is not the customary outcome. It happened once and the >conditions that led to it have been corrected. ... okay, wow, that's on me then. For years, and I mean years (going on a decade now, I think) I've been convinced, probably as a gross misinterpretation of the above incident, that the Test of Light functions in much the same way that Sakura's Sacred Spirit Blade does: that is, it weighs your soul, and if it finds you wanting, it decides to do a little spiritual recycling. I'm gonna have to go re-read CSI: New Avalon now, I think. Puts an entirely different complexion on a number of scenes in that series for me. Conrad Ecklie (or his double) looks massively less un-self-aware and potentially suicidal for lobbying hard to take his Test, for example. >Actually, there weren't a lot of explosives involved in the Phoenix >Flight. That's WHY they did it on Comet Day. I figured, but even with her Avatar Propellant System on tap, Asami seems like the kind of gal who would build Diqiu's Saturn V equivalent -anyway-. Also, even -some- explosive would make Tenzin... nervous, one feels. Because of all the OTHER times Korra has nearly ended up exploded. :) Now that I really think about it, I suppose what they did was use Korra to achieve escape velocity and probably for the trans-lunar injection (the energy-intensive bits), but utilized more traditional methods for landing on, lifting off from, and returning from Yue. -Merc Keep Rat "The moon's weird, though, right? It's there, and there, and then, suddenly, it's not! And it seems to be pretty far up! Is it watching us? If not, what is it watching instead?! Is there something more interesting than us? Hey! Watch us, moon!! We may not always be the best show in the universe, but we try!" |
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Nova Floresca
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Sep-20-13, 03:39 PM (EDT) |
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14. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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>... okay, wow, that's on me then. > >For years, and I mean years (going on a decade now, I think) >I've been convinced, probably as a gross misinterpretation of the >above incident, that the Test of Light functions in much the same way >that Sakura's Sacred Spirit Blade does: that is, it weighs your soul, >and if it finds you wanting, it decides to do a little spiritual >recycling. If it makes you feel better, I also had the false impression that the ToL was fatal. Chalk it up to the "Luke, I am your father" syndrome -- Everybody knows that line, or thinks they do, but it's not what is actually said in the movie, but it's what is lodged in our collective consciousness. Similarly, it's pretty easy to go from "the Lens kills the unworthy, and we only Test those who we think will pass" to "the Test kills the unworthy." "It is a pink slip, hence why it is pink." |
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JeanneHedge
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Sep-20-13, 03:51 PM (EDT) |
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15. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-20-13 AT 03:56 PM (EDT) >For years, and I mean years (going on a decade now, I think) >I've been convinced, probably as a gross misinterpretation of the >above incident, that the Test of Light functions in much the same way >that Sakura's Sacred Spirit Blade does: that is, it weighs your soul, >and if it finds you wanting, it decides to do a little spiritual >recycling. > >I'm gonna have to go re-read CSI: New Avalon now, I think. Puts an >entirely different complexion on a number of scenes in that series for >me. Conrad Ecklie (or his double) looks massively less un-self-aware >and potentially suicidal for lobbying hard to take his Test, for >example. Until Gryphon explained it all upthread, I went with how I read Skuld's explanation in Another Christmas Rose - it's a 2 part Test in which (Part 1) Skuld does the judging (a character test) and (Part 2) the Lens does the final acceptance. If you don't pass Part 1, the Test is over. If you do pass, Skuld makes you a Lens and you move on to Part 2. If she misjudged you and you're not the right kind of person, the Lens will kill you. This is all based on a bit in Another Christmas Rose (S2M3), where Skuld gives Wakaba the Test of Light during the Christmas party. Afterward she gives Wakaba the "orientation" (touch someone else's Lens, it'll hurt, touch it for more than a couple seconds, it'll kill you, etc). There's a bit of a joke about Wakaba waiting for some sort of oath to be administered, then Skuld says: Skuld smiled. "No, no oath necessary. Assuming I misjudged you before I made the Lens for you in the first place, if you were the kind of person who would misuse the power of the Lens - or your -own- power, come to that - it wouldn't have accepted you as its wearer. You'd be lying there dead on the rug. That's why the integrity of Lensmen is so readily accepted around the universe; because anybody with an education knows that a Lensman wouldn't be a Lensman if he weren't worthy of his Lens." Wakaba blinked. "Gosh," she said wryly, "thanks for mentioning -that- up front. Has that ever happened?" "Only once," Skuld replied with a touch of sadness in her eyes.
Kind of puts another spin on the title "Chooser of the Slain" Jeanne |
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Gryphon
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Sep-20-13, 03:59 PM (EDT) |
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17. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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>Until Gryphon explained it all upthread, I went with how I read >Skuld's explanation in Another Christmas Rose - it's a 2 part >Test in which (Part 1) Skuld does the judging (a character test) and >(Part 2) the Lens does the final acceptance. If you don't pass Part 1, >the Test is over. If you do pass, Skuld makes you a Lens and you move >on to Part 2. If she misjudged you and you're not the right kind of >person, the Lens will kill you. That was how it worked in practice, until the time somebody actually died, but it was never the original design intent of the process, and after it happened, Skuld patched it so "phase one" was more comprehensive. (The short version is that the person who died was a very carefully prepared infiltration agent.) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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The Traitor
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Sep-20-13, 10:38 PM (EDT) |
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20. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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Not carefully enough; I can think of a few ways around that off the top of my head that involves a certain long-dead corporatist's favoured tactic. Ahem:- 1) You grows your killer doll in the ISO standard vat/old-rain-barrel-full-of-clone-juice. 2) You mentally programs your killer doll to be the kind of spunky, heroic, two-fisted action girl who Gryphon so enjoys collectin'. 3) You embeds a kablooey code deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep down in yer killer doll. 4) You waits until the killer doll has wormed her way into the Chief's life to the point where Skuld gives her the Test Of Life. This is the clever bit; because she believes herself to be X McWhatever, Saviour of Day(s), as opposed to a killer doll, she should pass the test just fine. 5) You waits until your killer doll's in the Chief's office, because a Lensman is about the most trusted person in Gryphon's life who isn't immediate family/previous flame/personal friend, and then you demonstrate just how kablooey the kablooey code is. How kablooey? VERY kablooey. Of course, I freely admit to making this up on the fly at half-past three in the morning, so the plan's probably got all the watertight attributes of a colander in a Texan firing range. Still, if an idiot can think it up, then a smart villain might be able to put a bit of polish on it. --- "Yeah, I'm definitely going to hell/But I'll have all the best stories to tell" -- Frank Turner, The Ballad of Me and My Friends This is what happened the time you mentioned someone dying, isn't it... |
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The Traitor
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Sep-20-13, 10:47 PM (EDT) |
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22. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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Huh. So, wait, does that mean one of my crackpot theories was actually plausible in-universe? Neat. --- "Yeah, I'm definitely going to hell/But I'll have all the best stories to tell" -- Frank Turner, The Ballad of Me and My Friends Next time: why Corwin is secretly one of the Lizard-People. |
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Gryphon
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Sep-20-13, 11:04 PM (EDT) |
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23. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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>Huh. So, wait, does that mean one of my crackpot theories was actually >plausible in-universe? Sort of. That's more-or-less what happened (with a less involved setup phase), but their masking protocol wasn't good enough. Good enough to fool Skuld, yes; not good enough to fool the Lens. The individual him- or herself not knowing his or her own intent isn't enough for that. Another approach that might hypothetically have a chance is something along the X-23 model, an individual so weirdly constructed psychologically that she, while aware of her intentions, is not aware that they are evil. The problem with a setup like that, as Laura's creators discovered with her, is that it isn't stable. Any organism capable of learning and growing is going to evolve past it, sooner rather than later if in an environment like that which tends to surround the Chief. In the best-case scenario, the programming would simply break down and the weapon would become a Good Person (as we saw with Laura). In the worst, the conflict eventually causes a complete breakdown. In neither case does it actually work. None of which actually has anything to do with Korra, whose Test(s) w{as|ere} complicated by factors having nothing to do with her character or moral standing. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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The Traitor
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Sep-22-13, 07:11 AM (EDT) |
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38. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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I've been thinking about this, despite the terrible track record I have with thinking about things, and it occurs that the problem might be her nature as the Avatar. As the Avatar, she's connected to hundreds, if not thousands, of other Avatars. Could they ALL have passed the Test of Light? I'm guessing no. Hence why she had to take it multiple times; the first time, they tried to Test every Avatar that's ever lived, but the second time, the only person being Tested was Korra herself. --- "Yeah, I'm definitely going to hell/But I'll have all the best stories to tell" -- Frank Turner, The Ballad of Me and My Friends |
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Mercutio
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Sep-21-13, 00:12 AM (EDT) |
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26. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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>>4) You waits until the killer doll has wormed her way into the Chief's >>life to the point where Skuld gives her the Test Of Life. This is the >>clever bit; because she believes herself to be X McWhatever, Saviour >>of Day(s), as opposed to a killer doll, she should pass the test just >>fine. > >... aaaaaand there's the bit of code Skuld patched. I have a certain amount of respect for whoever tried this, because they demonstrated a fundamental understanding that many seemingly intelligent guys who looked at the WDF/IPO and thought "Hey! I can fit THAT in my mouth" have not: namely, if you're really opposed to Gryphon (for whatever reason) to the extent you feel you need to take him down, your best, and really only, option is to come at him sideways. Taking a direct shot at Gryphon and his generation of cosmic heroes has a really, really shitty track record. Gryphon punched the devil in the face and lived to brag about it. Whereas sliding up next to them and planting the knife at least has gotten a little traction for the people who tried it. Largo is the most obvious example, of course, but even complete two-bit operators like Carson D. Carson (anyone remember that slimeball?) managed to slip into blind spots and do real damage. It was probably a trick worth trying. It's just not going to work, because you're a mortal agency going up against Skuld in one of her areas of expertise. It's like how Skuld will always be better at the super-science game than Washuu is, not because Washuu isn't potentially smarter than Skuld at least in some ways, but because Skuld can write a rootkit and Washuu just can't. If it were me, and I really truly felt I had to get an intelligence officer inside of the highest ranks of the IPO, I would try two things: 1) Find someone who marks off all the appropriate checkboxes for being genuinely, truly, heroic, but believes, without any non-consensual persuasion on your part, that they really need to get into the IPO and spy on it because it's the right, or at least the patriotic, thing to do. See if the Test will detect THAT. You run a very high risk of them going native but it could be worth the attempt. 2) Demons or other Godlike entities. Assuming you know this one is an option, if Skuld is doing to deploy her divine "no, fuck YOU guys" toys in Midgard the obvious counterweight is to see if anyone in the Pit with programming expertise would like to see if they can code a way to fool a Lens. Risky move, but the alternative is to just let the IPO run around completely unchecked, and people like, say, the Tal Shiar are going to regard that as not being an option. I do feel bad (maybe) for the person who had to die to prove that you can't slip into the Lensmen as a stowaway, tho. Assuming we're talking about some kind of bioroid as opposed to a Talia Winters style personality overlay, and that they had a sufficient Spengler flux to qualify as fully sentient (which they'd almost have had to; Skuld could probably be blind drunk and passing out Lenses like Mardi Gras beads and not miss THAT) it has to be a shitty way to die: you think you're about to become the next awesome galactic policeman and then you wake up blinking in your afterlife, possibly being told that you had an evil other personality in your head that also woke up in it's afterlife. ... Frey, assuming he runs Asgard's intelligence service under his aegis of being Security Guy, must lead a very interesting life when he puts on his 'Spy vs. Spy' hat. Almost as interesting as that of the guys up in the NOC. -Merc Keep Rat "Does the carpet match the drapes? No. It doesnt. Youre the worst interior decorator. Please leave my home." |
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Gryphon
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Sep-21-13, 00:29 AM (EDT) |
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27. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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>I do feel bad (maybe) for the person who had to die to prove that you >can't slip into the Lensmen as a stowaway, tho.Eh... don't. >... Frey, assuming he runs Asgard's intelligence service under his >aegis of being Security Guy, must lead a very interesting life when he >puts on his 'Spy vs. Spy' hat. Oh, goodness, no. As we have seen, Frey is shiiiit at subterfuge. That crap is Heimdall's job. (Vigilance, you know.) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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mdg1
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Sep-21-13, 06:33 AM (EDT) |
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31. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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>That crap is Heimdall's job. (Vigilance, you know.) "I can understand the police detective, the starship captain, and even the Destroid pilot, but why in the Allfather's name do you have the ID for an alcoholic French monk?" "I saw the need." (Think about it...) Mario |
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Mercutio
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Sep-21-13, 06:42 AM (EDT) |
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32. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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"President of South Africa might be pushing it." "You'd be surprised what you can get away with in the Earth Alliance if your ID is sufficiently official-looking. People look. But they don't see." -Merc Keep Rat "The crate is in your kitchen, where you left it, and you get down on your knees to embrace it more fully. It has grown warmer even hot. It still is not ticking." |
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Gryphon
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18. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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>I figured, but even with her Avatar Propellant System on tap, Asami >seems like the kind of gal who would build Diqiu's Saturn V equivalent >-anyway-.Oh, she did - they were going to need to be able to get to orbit, if not to Yue, without it being that one day every hundred years, after all - but the prototype they used for the Phoenix Flight wasn't anything like fully equipped. >Now that I really think about it, I suppose what they did was use >Korra to achieve escape velocity and probably for the trans-lunar >injection (the energy-intensive bits), but utilized more traditional >methods for landing on, lifting off from, and returning from Yue. It wasn't just Korra; the Phoenix Flight had a crew of seven, and she wasn't the only firebender (or, as Asami winkingly described them in the official documentation, propulsion system specialist) among them. Korra basically had three jobs on the Phoenix Flight mission: - Double up for all the other bending crew members, in case any one of them was incapacitated and someone had to take over his or her job (which is why her crew title in the official transcripts is "systems specialist", without a leading specialty designator); - Provide the necessary symbolic international appeal to get everyone on board with the project; and - Serve as the mission's liaison to the Moon Spirit once they actually arrived, given that they were about to show up uninvited. I've toyed with the idea of writing the whole mission up as a BPGD file, but we hold out the hope that we might stumble across the spare spoon we need to do it as a proper story sometime. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Mercutio
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Sep-21-13, 00:37 AM (EDT) |
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28. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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>I've toyed with the idea of writing the whole mission up as a BPGD >file, but we hold out the hope that we might stumble across the spare >spoon we need to do it as a proper story sometime. As a reader, I just gotta say that I am loving this idea; in my head it's kind of a "Wings of Honneamise meets Legend of Korra with a tiny pinch of Apollo 13, but in a much more upbeat fashion" thing. I can hear Janet Varney saying "Republic City, Yue base here. The Phoenix has landed." (I also have this kind of weird mental image of Korra being tapped on the shoulder by one of her very frightened fellow specialists, reporting that he just looked out the porthole and there's what looks like a teenaged girl sitting up on the crater rim in hard vacuum with a complete formal tea set in front of her. Waiting. She waved at me, Avatar. Am I going to die?) Ahem. Anyway, might I humbly suggest that if you do end up going the "Featured Document" route rather than "told as a story" route, you might consider making it, say, the Future Industries white paper on the subject, or Korra's formal after-mission report, rather than a BPGD file. -Merc Keep Rat "You have a new job now. Every day except Sunday you drive out into the Sand Wastes, and there you find two trucks. You move wooden crates from one truck to another while a man in a suit silently watches. It is a different man each time. Sometimes the crates tick. Mostly, they do not." |
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Gryphon
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19. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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>>that on the day of the most dangerous cosmological conjunction in >>existence, your girlfriend was going to strap you into a tin can, >>stand it on top of a truly enormous amount of high explosives, and >>shoot you to the moon. Heeeeee. > >Actually, there weren't a lot of explosives involved in the Phoenix >Flight. That's WHY they did it on Comet Day. Also, it just occurred to me that from Tenzin's point of view, the whole thing was an even crazier idea than you think. Hee hee. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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CdrMike
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Sep-21-13, 01:03 AM (EDT) |
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29. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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>Also, it just occurred to me that from Tenzin's point of view, the >whole thing was an even crazier idea than you think. Hee hee. Somehow, I imagine by that point in their relationship as teacher/mentor and student/massive headache, anytime Korra came to him excited about something, an overpowering feeling of dread fell over him. Korra: "Hey Tenzin, guess what...!?" Tenzin: "Korra, whatever it is, the answer is no." Korra: "But I haven't even told you what it is yet!" Tenzin: "I know, that's what scares me." -------------------------- CdrMike, Columbia pilgrim "Why do you ask 'what'?" "When the delicious question is 'when'?" - Robert & Rosalind Lutece, Bioshock Infinite |
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Gryphon
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Sep-21-13, 11:18 AM (EDT) |
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33. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-21-13 AT 11:19 AM (EDT) >>Also, it just occurred to me that from Tenzin's point of view, the >>whole thing was an even crazier idea than you think. Hee hee. > >Somehow, I imagine by that point in their relationship as >teacher/mentor and student/massive headache, anytime Korra came to him >excited about something, an overpowering feeling of dread fell over >him. Well, by the time Comet Day rolled around, Tenzin was in his 80s and Korra in her 40s, so one doubts they had that precise dynamic any longer; on the other hand, she's perpetually youthful in both body and spirit, and I suspect Tenzin is one of those guys who were middle-aged in high school*, so maybe. :) --G. * Yes, Merc, I know he almost certainly didn't go to high school, get off my balls. :) -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Mercutio
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Sep-21-13, 11:42 AM (EDT) |
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34. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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He... didn't? You mean all those fanfics I've read where Tenzin and Lin attended Republic City High... aren't canon-compliant? Gym Coach Toph never caught Lin pressuring Tenzin into smoking behind the bleachers? They didn't defeat that Noatak kid in the Talent Show, which was both preceded, and followed by, a musical number? Mind. Blown. I need to go think about this. Lies. All of them LIES. -Merc Keep Rat I could have written five paragraphs with speculation about the structure of primary and secondary education in the Republic, with analogies to both pre and post-war American systems of public education and using Mako and Bolin as proof of lack of truancy laws. Could have. Chose not to. |
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mdg1
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Sep-20-13, 09:02 AM (EDT) |
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7. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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The martial arts geek in me picked a possible error. You are inconsistent with your Chinese romanization. This is Wade-Giles: > - Master Waterbender (T'ai chi ch'uan mastery equivalent) This is Pinyin: > - Master Airbender (Baguazhang mastery equivalent) (And Hung Ga(r) is Cantonese, but everyone calls it that. :) ) Mario |
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Gryphon
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Sep-20-13, 03:57 PM (EDT) |
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16. "As an aside,"
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Korra's being listed as co-inventor of electronic mail does not necessarily mean she was any kind of computer scientist at the time. It may very well simply mean that she said to Asami one day, "So listen, if I've got one of your 'computer' thingers, and you've got one, why can't I type a message on mine and send it to yours?" And in the process of explaining why that wouldn't work, Asami will have realized how it would work, and voilà. On the other hand, maybe she was a budding computer programmer in the early, pre-academic-qualifications, pig-iron days, and had a more direct role in its development. Hard to say. Elder Days Story Time: Many years ago, GweepCo had a system somewhere on the WPI network, I forget exactly where, that was used for random development and hacking projects. At one point Andrew decided he was going to get a proper email system working on it, so that it could send messages to other systems instead of just between user accounts on the machine itself. (This was in the days before such things came out of a can.) This turned out to take longer than he was expecting, so for a long time the message-of-the-day on the machine said, android is working on remote mail. Until, eventually, one of the other gweeps started long-distance dating a woman at, I believe, Rensselaer Polytechnic in upstate New York, at which point the MOTD quietly changed to, profesor is working on remote female. I imagine there are several different variations on this joke one can make to oneself when considering the MOTD on a late-2nd-century-ASC system at Sato Computing Machines whereupon asato and/or korra were working on remote mail. :) --G. yes, I'll just bet she is. /AS/ OH BEHAVE -K -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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zojojojo
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Sep-20-13, 11:26 PM (EDT) |
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24. "RE: As an aside,"
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>Until, eventually, one of the other gweeps started long-distance >dating a woman at, I believe, Rensselaer Polytechnic in upstate New >York, at which point the MOTD quietly changed to, > >profesor is working on remote female. for the record, there were only a dozen women at RPI at the time ;) and nobody calls it Rensselaer Polytechnic... those that were there at the time call it RPI, and the new president who's trying to turn it into a Respectable University is trying to get people to call it Rensselaer :) -Z --- Remember kids: guns make you stupid, duct tape makes you smart.
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Gryphon
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Sep-20-13, 11:28 PM (EDT) |
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25. "RE: As an aside,"
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>>Until, eventually, one of the other gweeps started long-distance >>dating a woman at, I believe, Rensselaer Polytechnic in upstate New >>York, at which point the MOTD quietly changed to, >> >>profesor is working on remote female. > >for the record, there were only a dozen women at RPI at the time ;) If there was one, Prof would've had decent odds of finding her. :) (Also, that's about five more than were at WPI.) >and nobody calls it Rensselaer Polytechnic... ... unless, like me, they're talking to a group of people not all of whom are likely to know what RPI stands for. --G. sheesh. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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zojojojo
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Sep-21-13, 02:24 PM (EDT) |
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35. "RE: As an aside,"
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>If there was one, Prof would've had decent odds of finding her. :) >(Also, that's about five more than were at WPI.) which is half the reason i didn't go there >>and nobody calls it Rensselaer Polytechnic... > >... unless, like me, they're talking to a group of people not all of >whom are likely to know what RPI stands for. > an excellent point -Z RPI.... is that in Rhode Island? --- Remember kids: guns make you stupid, duct tape makes you smart.
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Gryphon
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Sep-21-13, 07:52 PM (EDT) |
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37. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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Two further asides: 1) Phil pointed out while we were working on this that the concept of the Red Cross (as a symbol, not an organization or movement) was oddly foreign to Diqiu's background culture, and wondered if there might be a Chinese equivalent we could use. I did a little digging around and discovered that, um, there sort of is, but perhaps we ought not to go there, just to prevent... confusion. 2) "Mizuzoku Kōra" is Gryphon's favorite of her several variant names. It's the one on her Zipang passport, and represents some Zipangi bureaucrat's best guess as to how you would render "Korra of the Water Tribe" in Japanese. (Second place goes to "Korra Tonraqsdottir", which she selected off the top of her head when visiting Bear City on Ice Planet Halloran V, having discovered that the online tourist visa application wouldn't go to the second page without something in the Surname: blank.) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Mercutio
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Sep-22-13, 10:44 AM (EDT) |
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39. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
In response to message #37
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-22-13 AT 11:43 AM (EDT) If I might make yet another humble suggestion... I'd go with the Red Crescent for Diqiu.The pre-eminent healers on Diqiu are waterbenders, and the most prominent part of the symbol for the water tribes is that crescent-moon-and-wave thing they have going. If you handwave a little bit you can get to the same place we got here, where they take the symbol associated with healing and invert the colors from blue to red to demonstrate that it isn't a water tribe thing, it's an international healing thing, boom. You could even argue that the idea slipped in via Zipang, which I'm sure has it's own chapter of the IFRC; "The cross thing is weird, but oh hey, yeah! We already have people used to seeing the best doctors and nurses wearing crescent moon symbols. We can work with that." The Red Crescent isn't particularly asiatic, of course, but hell, ATLA dropped in random meso-americans whose objects of veneration are chinese-style dragons, so... >Second place goes to "Korra Tonraqsdottir", which she selected off >the top of her head when visiting Bear City on Ice Planet Halloran >V, having discovered that the online tourist visa application >wouldn't go to the second page without something in the Surname: blank.) ARRGH. I deal with ticketing systems regularly, and have had at least three yelling matches in the past five years about this kind of design fuckup. There are people who only have one name, and your clever little first-year programming trick where you won't allow the form to complete unless all appropriate fields are filled out -doesn't account for that-, you -idiot-. Oh, and then there was the one system that we eventually figured out was using the name string as the only form of identification for any of the "Person" objects it instantiated, instead of assigning each one a separate, unique identifier. That was real fun; the search-by-name function was designed to return one and -only- one record, which meant it would pick a person at random if there were more than one of them. If you wanted something on the five or six John Smith's we had, you had to back into them using only their objects rather than the object itself. This was commercially-deployed software people had paid quite a lot of money for, mind you. -Merc Keep Rat "Today's program has been sponsored by the physical act of gulping." |
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The Traitor
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Sep-22-13, 07:39 PM (EDT) |
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41. "RE: BPGD: Avatar KORRA"
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Can I cast my vote for the Red Giant Horrible Screaming Thing Oh Sweet Ancestors It's Coming Right For Us Argh Argh Argh It's Just Eaten Mister Deng? No? okay. --- "Yeah, I'm definitely going to hell/But I'll have all the best stories to tell" -- Frank Turner, The Ballad of Me and My Friends |
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