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"continuing VAB upgrades"
 
   Today in the VAB: shelves.

For background: my father worked as an engineer for a paper company in northern Maine his whole career. Technically, the company retired before he did. At some point during the clearout at the end, he wound up inheriting a pile of modular metal shelving that had been in one of the mill storerooms. At his old place, most of it was set up in a storage building (the same one Angus the Wonder Truck used to be in), the rest in the basement.

Today we got around to setting it up in the loft at the VAB, but before we could do that, there was a slight problem.

This is what happens when the vertical panels of your steel modular shelving system are 84 inches tall, and your garage loft has an 80-inch ceiling.

We had 12 of those to cut. So that was fun!

In the process of handing them upstairs, I discovered that someone in the old Great Northern Paper storeroom had added a couple of embellishments to one of the uprights. This one was particularly unexpected:

The other... less so.

Evidently this particular employee had a bone to pick with the Paper, Allied-Industrial, Chemical and Energy Workers Union. Two interesting facts about this:

1) PACE only existed for a few years, from 1999 to 2005; it was formed by a merger of two earlier unions and then merged with the United Steel Workers (which now has a colossally complicated name that is still somehow abbreviated "USW").

2) This appears to be one of those custom return-address labels various charities offer in return for a donation. I can only imagine the bemusement of whoever had to fulfil that order.

Anyway, we had already taken the shelves upstairs with the hoist, so once we got the uprights up there, it was time to start putting stuff together.

Remember how I mentioned these shelves used to be in a storeroom in the mill? Some of the shelf labels are still there. Since we had the Kroil handy in case any of the bolts were seized, I couldn't resist when I noticed one of the labels.

(For context, Never-Seez® is a line of lubricants/corrosion protectants, while Kroil® is a very effective penetrating oil, the main purpose of which is to free up seized fasteners. They're not quite the same class of product, but sort of adjacent.)

This was as far as we got today. Progress was slowed a little by the fact that someone had bolted a bunch of the modular cleats, which are supposed to just be held together with sliding pins, in place on a couple of the panels, and we had to take them all apart before we could get the shelves into the positions we wanted. Ultimately, there will be five bays in either direction, mostly covering two of the walls. One more session ought to have them complete, at which point we'll start moving stuff up there and finding places for it.

--G.
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  RE: continuing VAB upgrades Spectrum Feb-03-24 1
     RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Feb-03-24 2
  RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Feb-03-24 3
  RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Feb-09-24 4
     RE: continuing VAB upgrades Droken Feb-09-24 5
     RE: continuing VAB upgrades BZArchermoderator Feb-10-24 6
  RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Feb-10-24 7
     RE: continuing VAB upgrades Spectrum Feb-10-24 8
         RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Feb-11-24 9
             RE: continuing VAB upgrades Nova Floresca Feb-11-24 10
                 RE: continuing VAB upgrades Verbena Feb-11-24 11
             RE: continuing VAB upgrades StClair Feb-12-24 12
  RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Feb-23-24 13
     RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Feb-28-24 14
         RE: continuing VAB upgrades Nova Floresca Feb-28-24 15
             RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Feb-28-24 16
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     RE: today: crane Spectrum Mar-06-24 18
         RE: today: crane Gryphonadmin Mar-06-24 19
     RE: today: crane Nova Floresca Mar-06-24 20
         RE: today: crane Peter Eng Mar-06-24 21
         RE: today: crane Gryphonadmin Mar-06-24 22
     RE: today: crane VoidRandom Mar-07-24 23
     RE: today: crane jonathanlennox Apr-04-24 26
  RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Apr-02-24 24
     RE: continuing VAB upgrades Spectrum Apr-04-24 25
     RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin May-11-24 27
  You Can Never Have Too Many Shelves dep't Gryphonadmin Jun-26-24 28
  RE: continuing VAB upgrades TsukaiStarburst Jun-27-24 29
     RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Jun-27-24 30
         RE: continuing VAB upgrades DaPatman89 Jul-02-24 31
  RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Jul-07-24 32
     RE: continuing VAB upgrades SneakyPete Jul-08-24 33
         RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Jul-08-24 38
     RE: continuing VAB upgrades Peter Eng Jul-08-24 34
         RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Jul-08-24 37
     RE: continuing VAB upgrades Spectrum Jul-08-24 35
         RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Jul-08-24 36
     RE: continuing VAB upgrades Gryphonadmin Jul-08-24 39
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Spectrum
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1. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Nice progress. It'll be great when you get those populated. Does that alignment in the corner work for you with the shelves flush against each other? Will you only keep long things that can angle out so as to keep the back corner usable?

The other day I watched Adam Savage's most recent shop reorg on Tested and it was pretty fun watching him geek out about his new shelving.


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2. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   >Nice progress. It'll be great when you get those populated. Does that
>alignment in the corner work for you with the shelves flush against
>each other? Will you only keep long things that can angle out so as to
>keep the back corner usable?

Yeah, that's the plan. We were undecided for a while whether to overlap them like that, but we decided better that than waste a couple square feet of floor space in the corner.

--G.
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3. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   As an aside, I think I'm going to be smelling the fumes from cutting those panels for days. It's in everything, including my sinuses. I was even wearing a respirator!

--G.
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4. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Shelves are finished!

Before we put up the last couple of bays on the long wall, we installed the first piece of the conduit run that will eventually go around the bathroom to the new outlet for the water heater.

Next time we'll probably either finish that, or start moving stuff upstairs.

--G.
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5. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   That looks like a right and properly done job indeed!

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6. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   That looks really great! Makes me wish I could go back in time and steal another set of those shelves. :D

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7. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Oh yeah, it looks like I mentioned we were going to do this, but forgot to post about it when we actually did it. In late December, we installed a small water heater to service the bathroom sink.

It's the smallest one we could find, a mere 2.5 gallons, which isn't a lot of water, but it's plenty for hand washing in a shop that rarely has more than two people in it. It has wifi capabilities and can be controlled from a phone app, but since a) that's a silly thing to do to a water heater and b) there is no wifi in the VAB--for that matter, there's no cell service about three-quarters of the time--those functions are turned off.

The nicest thing about having a tiny water heater just on the other side of the wall from the sink is that the hot water arrives at the sink immediately. I'm used to waiting a good 30 seconds for it to reach my bathroom at home, but in the VAB it takes... maybe three?

Note, lest anyone worry: The electrical arrangement shown here is temporary, and it's only plugged in when we're there. Since the layout of the place means that we had to install it in the one corner of the building where there aren't way more electrical outlets than anyone could ever need, we have to add one, and the best way to do that is to run conduit all the way around the outside of the bathroom. It'll be on the wall above the heater, and will have its own switch and indicator light to make the building startup/shutdown checklist easier. (The water to upstairs has to be turned off when we leave for Reasons™, so we have to be able to shut off the water heater as part of the process as well.)

--G.
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8. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   > It has wifi capabilities and can be controlled from a phone app

Get me out of the Internet of Things, I hate it here.

> The water to upstairs has to be turned off when we leave for Reasons™

Oh dear. Freezing issues or worse?


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9. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   >> The water to upstairs has to be turned off when we leave for Reasons™
>
>Oh dear. Freezing issues or worse?

Not as bad, but I didn't think it was interesting enough to bother typing out the explanation unless somebody asked. Which you did, so, this is going to take a little background.

There's no sewer system in the little town where the VAB is, and since nobody lives there, it's not required by code to have a full septic system with a leach field and everything--so it doesn't. There's just an underground holding tank near the building. This means that there's no way for wastewater to escape naturally like there is in a septic system, so the tank just fills up over time and has to be emptied. This means calling in a suction truck and can be pretty expensive.

Most toilets leak, at least a little--not into the environment around them, but internally, where you can't see it happening. If you've ever noticed a toilet that is not in use suddenly run its filler valve for a couple of seconds, that's because the flapper in the tank (the part that the handle opens when you flush the toilet) leaks a little, and the water level in there got low enough for the float to turn the valve on and top it off again.

We don't know whether the toilet in the VAB bathroom leaks, or if so how quickly, but it probably does at least a bit. Over time, that'll fill up the tank with water for no real reason. So, when we're not in the building, we turn off the well pump and close the valve between the pressure tank and the rest of the system. That way, even if the toilet flapper fails completely, no more than one flush's worth of excess water goes to the tank.

Naturally, this means the supply to the water heater is off too. It isn't drained by this, since we just closed the valve, we didn't open one somewhere else to clear the lines to the upstairs, but we don't want it sitting there wasting electricity to keep reheating those same two and a half gallons of water over and over, plus if any leaks from somewhere downstream (like the sink faucet) and it tried to heat a tank with any air space in it, that would be Bad™.

Therefore! Out of an abundance of caution, we have a little checklist of tasks we have to do to open and close the VAB, to wit:

VAB ACTIVATION CHECKLIST

1. High bay lights ON.
2. Thermostat to 65 °F (62 °F if working upstairs).
3. Well pump circuit breaker ON.
4. Water service valve OPEN.
5. Upstairs lights ON.
6. Water heater PLUG IN.

VAB SHUTDOWN CHECKLIST

1. Water heater UNPLUG.
2. Upstairs lights OFF.
3. Water service valve CLOSED.
4. Well pump circuit breaker OFF.
5. Outside lights circuit breaker ON.
6. Wait until Dad gets outside and starts his vehicle.
7. Outside lights circuit breaker OFF.
8. Thermostat to 40 °F.
9. High bay lights OFF.
10. Personnel door LOCKED.

NOTE 1: Omit shutdown steps 5–7 if leaving before dark.

Did I mention that we're nerds? :)

--G.
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10. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   >Did I mention that we're nerds? :)

It definitely has some Dramatic Control Room Sequence flair to it.

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11. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Yep. When a Situation happens and the pilots on duty crack open a little-used binder in the cockpit, calling out orders, this is exactly what it sounds like. XD


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12. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   talkback is barber pole, etc


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13. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Today's VAB session was in two parts. First, we upgraded the rig we built to move heavy things around the shop so that we can also use it to hoist things up to the loft. I forgot to take any pictures of this part. Hopefully I'll remember to get a couple shots of it next time.

With that done, we turned our attention to running the conduit and pulling the wires needed to install the new electrical outlet the bathroom water heater needs.

Here's the homebrew rig we put together to supply the wires. The existing box we're jumping off from is kind of hidden by the shelves at this camera angle. Those are 12-gauge conductors, which are fairly heavy and quite stiff, which made them kind of a pain to pull. Black is "hot", white is neutral (the return run needed to make the circuit work), green is ground.

Note that we needed 21 feet of each color and those are 500-foot spools. It's the better value. :)

Conduit run around the top of the bathroom in progress. The new conduit is the one right against the wall; the other one is original and goes through the wall on the far side of the door to supply the light in the bathroom. Note that the last horizontal section, around the corner, isn't installed yet and the wire are hanging out. Those elbows were a massive PITA, which really highlighted why the original builders just bent their conduit instead. Sadly, we don't have a conduit bender.

Test positioning of the box, with all the conduit except the final vertical section in place. It has to be at least that high up the all to hit the wooden structure behind the metal cladding (note the row of screws giving away where it is). We were a little worried that would be too high for the fairly short cord on the heater, but it proved to be OK. There won't be much slack (which is good, really), but there should be plenty of space to plug it in without any tension on the connection.

Conduit complete. Unfortunately this is as far as we got, since the tools needed to do the actual wiring were elsewhere today. Next time we'll be able to install the switch and outlet here, tie the wiring into the existing outlet at the other end, and button everything up, at which point we can get rid of that extension cord you can see in the test-fit photo.

--G.
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14. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Water heater wiring's done!

The lighted switch on the outlet is there so we'll be able to see from downstairs if we've accidentally left the outlet turned on when we're closing up shop (since the light on the water heater itself can't be seen from down there). It works opposite from the nightlight switches you may recall from Operation Bathroom, where the light is on when the switch is off (this one can be set up either way depending on how you wire it up when you're installing it).

In other small quality-of-life improvements, we put up a hook for the slack in the extension cord that powers the hoist, so that it'll stop getting in the way of the gate when we're closing it, and just generally to tidy up a bit.

Following that, it was time to continue hauling stuff upstairs and putting it away on the shelves! To do that, we used this cart arrangement that I mentioned last time, but forgot to get a picture of:

The chains are for lifting it, while the rope is for towing it around. The front wheels are casters and the rear ones are not (because all four being casters made it pretty much unsteerable). All of these lessons were learned incrementally, so the cart pictured here is about version 3.1. :)

After only a couple of hours, the shelves had already started filling up a bit.

Since this picture was taken we've moved a few more loads up there and mostly filled in the ones along that wall with hardware, supplies, and spare tools. Apart from a couple of transmissions you can't really see because they're on the other wall, we haven't even really started with all the parts yet.

Untentional Comedy Corner: Several loads' worth of that stuff was transported in cardboard moving boxes, which we just dumped over the side without looking when we were finished with them. When we went to go downstairs, we discovered that we had unintentionally built this.

Random chance, baby!

We also ran across this in a box of stuff from Gramp's last woodworking shop.

Why he had it there and not attached to the shooting jacket it was presumably on when he was competing (which we also have, I've mentioned it before), there's no way of knowing now. Maybe he intended to put it on something else and just never got around to it.

--G.
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15. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Impressive blind stacking! Also, probably got the heat wired up just in time- we're having a cold snap (well, more like seasonally-appropriate snap, but it feels cold after 60F last week) here in Upper Midwestia, so you're probably going to get it in a couple of days.

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16. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   LAST EDITED ON Feb-28-24 AT 07:59 PM (EST)
 
>Also, probably got the heat wired up just
>in time- we're having a cold snap (well, more like
>seasonally-appropriate snap, but it feels cold after 60F last week)
>here in Upper Midwestia, so you're probably going to get it in a
>couple of days.

Yeah, it's been warm and rainy today, but it's supposed to plunge temps and be super-windy tonight and tomorrow, just to give everything a nice, treacherous sheen of hard ice. Seems as though that happens at some point every winter these days. :/

(OTOH, we probably won't get back into the shed until the weekend anyway, by which point it's supposed to have warmed back into the 40s.)

--G.
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17. "today: crane"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-07-24 AT 08:01 PM (EDT)
 
Today, we finished assembling the overhead gantry crane.

Lining up all these bolts in heavy, awkwardly-shaped pieces of steel was a pain in the butt, but we got it together in the end. Then we had to stand it up.

Fortunately, we had the loft hoist!

Standing it up this way was a bit of an adventure, because as it came upright it wanted to slide back, and keeping it from crashing into the wall and damaging something was tricky, but we accomplished it! (Note the C-clamps, which were there to keep the rope from sliding to one end or the other and unbalancing the load.)

Once fully assembled, stood up, and then raised to its full height, with a trolley and chainfall lift installed, it's an impressively substantial structure.

You wouldn't think two crippled old men could build such a thing by themselves, but we did it. Mind you, it probably took us six times as long as it would've for a crew of young go-getters, but even so.

Another angle.

With this piece of equipment, we'll be able to pull and replace engines/transmissions much less awkwardly than with the red engine hoist that can be seen in some of these shots. Those are great if you have limited headroom, but they do tend to get in the way a bit, and if there's one thing the VAB does not have, it's a shortage of headroom.

Between that and all the progress at moving stuff upstairs, I think we're just about ready to start doing actual, you know... mechanic work!

(We also need to get some décor going on in there, but.)

--G.
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18. "RE: today: crane"
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   That's pretty slick. Is that powered or does it just work with mechanical advantage to let you lift what you need to?


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19. "RE: today: crane"
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   >That's pretty slick. Is that powered or does it just work with
>mechanical advantage to let you lift what you need to?

The chain fall? It's a mechanical hoist, no power. It's basically a differential pulley, except with sprockets and a continuous-loop chain instead of pulley wheels and a rope. You pull the slack loop of the chain... quite a long way... and it slowly winds the hook up and down. Here's an old YouTube video in which someone explores the inner workings of what appears, amusingly, to be the same model as the one we just hung on our new crane frame.

We thought about getting another electric hoist like the one up in the loft, but for the short lifting distances needed in something like an engine swap, a manual chain fall offers a lot more control. The electric hoist only runs at one speed and it starts and stops with a bit of a jerk - not ideal for fine work like lining up an engine-transmission set and fitting it into a car.

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20. "RE: today: crane"
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   Huzzah the crane! I'm assuming you're going to throw some sort of wheel chocks under the beast once you have it in position? I didn't see any brakes on the wheels themselves (not that I'd necessarily trust those with that much weight anyway).

the other question, of course, is what's going to be the next car after Project Impala? This is too much nice gear for a one-and-done build.

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21. "RE: today: crane"
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   >
>the other question, of course, is what's going to be the next car
>after Project Impala? This is too much nice gear for a one-and-done
>build.
>

The likely candidate is Angus the Wonder Truck, probably followed by whatever catches the elder Hutchins's attention.

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22. "RE: today: crane"
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   >Huzzah the crane! I'm assuming you're going to throw some sort of
>wheel chocks under the beast once you have it in position? I didn't
>see any brakes on the wheels themselves (not that I'd necessarily
>trust those with that much weight anyway).

Probably not necessary; two of the wheels do have brakes (and the other two aren't steerable, they can only roll forward and back), and the whole affair is very heavy and standing on a hard, level floor. Even with the brakes unlocked, it won't move unless quite firmly pushed.

>the other question, of course, is what's going to be the next car
>after Project Impala? This is too much nice gear for a one-and-done
>build.

Most likely Angus; one of the reasons we got that big crane, apart from engine swaps, is so we can pull the cab off the frame and send it out to have the floor replaced.

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23. "RE: today: crane"
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   LAST EDITED ON Mar-07-24 AT 02:37 PM (EST)
 
>You wouldn't think two crippled old men could build such a thing by
>themselves, but we did it. Mind you, it probably took us six times as
>long as it would've for a crew of young go-getters, but even so.

On the other hand, it's probably six times safer than it would've been for a crew of young go-getters.

-VR
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26. "RE: today: crane"
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   I was going to suggest They Might Be Giants's "They'll Need A Crane" as a SotD, but then I reviewed the lyrics to the rest of the song other than the chorus, and realized it's actually a quite sad song about a breakup, so no.

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24. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   As noted elsewhere, the other day we went back to the old Project Impala Technology Center and dismantled the workbench there. I only got one picture of that day, which was mostly taken to record how the frame was put together after we took the plywood work surface off.

Note how this bench was custom-built to fit exactly in that arbitrarily-sized alcove in the garage, which was dictated by the walls of an interior room. This will be of interest in a moment.

Today we looked around in the VAB for a place to rebuild the old bench, and after some consideration, decided that the obvious place to put it wasn't where we thought we would put it, but rather in the corner where we originally put the fridge and set up the soft chairs, plus a bookcase for our shop manuals and stuff. There evidently was a workbench there before, which is indicated by the fact that there's a whole row of electrical outlets along the wall there and they're all on a breaker labeled "BENCH". So, after taking some measurements and thinking it over, we decided to move the fridge back to where it was when we found it, take the bookcase and chairs upstairs, and put the Tech Center bench there instead.

And here's the weird part:

We had to add a few new legs to the frame because it's not screwed to the wall like it was in its old home, but the frame itself is the same and the worktop is the same two pieces of plywood as before, and it all fits exactly in that spot. That steel cabinet with all the drawers in it wasn't put there with an eye toward doing this later, and it's way too heavy for us to have moved it today without completely unloading and removing all the drawers, which we weren't about to do. its position is entirely arbitrary--and it's perfect. A quarter-inch more to the left and we couldn't have gotten the bench in there.

(If the plywood looks too clean to you, note that the long and short side pieces are on opposite ends now. The side that used to be the top is now underneath; we flipped it over to make it easier to get at the space under the stairs. :)

Also note the blue PEX line, which is the water supply to upstairs. I love how whoever installed the water system could have put the shutoff valve anywhere, but they opted to break the line and insert the valve, creating no fewer than three potential sources of a water leak, directly above one of the electrical boxes. You just can't make this stuff up.

Next time we'll probably install a vise and possibly also one of several drill presses that we have kicking around the place, along with some tool storage. This corner will be where the engine rebuild stuff lives.

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25. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   >Today we looked around in the VAB for a place to rebuild the old
>bench, and after some consideration, decided that the obvious place to
>put it wasn't where we thought we would put it, but rather in
>the corner where we originally put the fridge and set up the soft
>chairs, plus a bookcase for our shop manuals and stuff. There
>evidently was a workbench there before, which is indicated by the fact
>that there's a whole row of electrical outlets along the wall there
>and they're all on a breaker labeled "BENCH". So, after taking some
>measurements and thinking it over, we decided to move the fridge back
>to where it was when we found it, take the bookcase and chairs
>upstairs, and put the Tech Center bench there instead.

Ah, serendipity. Why do more work when the solution was already right there?

>We had to add a few new legs to the frame because it's not screwed to
>the wall like it was in its old home, but the frame itself is the same
>and the worktop is the same two pieces of plywood as before, and it
>all fits exactly in that spot.

It's funny because that was exactly what I was going to remark on-that I would expect a couple more legs when the bench got reassembled.


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27. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   The last couple of sessions haven't involved much of anything worth taking photos of--just moving a bunch more stuff upstairs and/or in from other places. Today, though, we added an upgrade to the workbench area we built out in the last post that will make working there a lot better:

Lights! Really bright ones. Also a shelf that's really a little too high up for shortarses like us, but it is what it is. Please enjoy our extensive collection of small-block Chevrolet V8 crankshafts, one of which might actually get used in the project engines, and pistons, which won't because they'll be too small for the overbored block. We might take them apart and reuse the connecting rods, though.

No word on the block, by the way. The guy said it would probably be a month or so.

Also today: we removed the very last objects we'll be taking from the old Project Impala Technology Center, leaving it almost fully clean and empty for the next occupant.

Not pictured, just out of shot to the left: five 55-gallon drums full of used motor oil. Turns out if you do your own maintenance in the same place for nearly 30 years, you pile up a lot of that stuff. Fortunately, a local business has agreed to take it, they just haven't come to get it yet.

It's the end of an era.

Just as a note, there may not be much action in the VAB for the next few weeks. Dad and I are both going to be looking after family members who have had surgery. He might get a chance to go over there occasionally, on account of it's literally in his back yard, but I'm 40-odd miles away and probably won't be able to wander off that far for a while. Just as the weather's getting nice enough to have the door open, of course. :/ This is another thing that is what it is.

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28. "You Can Never Have Too Many Shelves dep't"
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   So, remember that hardware center that came with the shop?

After we rebuilt the bench and moved the yellow storage boxes underneath it, Dad and I were planning to put up some more metal shelves along the wall where they were, but the hardware center was kind of in the way. We took some measurements and determined that it would just about fit inside one of the shelving bays (it's probably part of a similar system), so we decided we'd do that.

The problem with this plan was that the hardware center was full of hardware. Literally thousands of pieces of hardware. All of which would have to be taken out, sorted, and then put back in the right slots after the thing was moved.

Dad wanted to just hook it onto his tractor with a strap and move it without taking anything out, but I could only imagine that unfolding as an absolute disaster that ended with us picking up all the hardware off the floor anyway, so I persuaded him not to do it that way. Then we proceeded not to get around to doing it my way for... some time.

But now we've done it!

All those coffee cans, prescription bottles, silverware trays, and peanut butter jars on the table are what we used to sort out the hardware. That big white Tupperware thing is full of miscellaneous stuff we didn't have slots for or couldn't figure out what size it is ("probably metric" is Dad's verdict on anything that doesn't obviously fit anything :), but was in good enough condition that we didn't want to just throw it away.

The VAB used to be a commercial truck garage, and all that hardware was purchased when the place was built; we found an invoice in one of the slots from a hardware store up in Presque Isle, dated 2006, for the organizer itself as well as many hundreds of cap screws, nuts, and washers that are in it. In the time between then and when it ceased to be used for commercial purposes, the hardware was... let's go with "not curated very carefully." It was a bit of a mess.

Worst of all, the unlabeled slots on the righthand side were mostly full of... well, garbage, really. Not food waste, it was all hardware, but it was clearly heavily used hardware that should have been thrown away. Bolts with visible stretch defects in the middle. Nuts too rusty to ever be used again. Bent, useless washers. Just junk. Why whoever it was stuffed it all in there instead of just scrapping it, I couldn't tell you.

Well, it's all cleaned out and organized now, and with the superstructure of the shelving up, we can now concentrate on arranging the rest of the shelves for the stuff that needs to go in them. There's one more bay's worth of those shelves that are already set up on the other side, which will be moved over to join these. We'll keep the most immediately needed parts and supplies, including various fluids and what have you, down here, while stuff that we don't need often stays on the ones upstairs.

Trying to get a place like this organized is a never-ending struggle, but at least we already had all this shelving lying around. :)

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29. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-27-24 AT 08:39 AM (EDT)
 
It feels oddly aging to see a Meganium sticker that's faded and mildewy on a forgotten everyday object.

It makes me go 'oh right the original release of those games was like twenty-five years ago, right' and it makes me consider the sheer LENGTH of 25 years, and I just feel old and shuddery.


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30. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   >It feels oddly aging to see a Meganium sticker that's faded and
>mildewy on a forgotten everyday object.
>
>It makes me go 'oh right the original release of those games was like
>twenty-five years ago, right' and it makes me consider the sheer
>LENGTH of 25 years, and I just feel old and shuddery.

I think part of that is because Pokémon as a franchise is still going strong. This provides a level of continuity that masks how long it's been going on until you stop and think about it like that. I submit that if that were a sticker from something that flashed and then faded away at that same time, such that you hadn't thought of it since back then, it would paradoxically not feel as weird to notice how old it is.

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31. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   >I think part of that is because Pokémon as a franchise
>is still going strong. This provides a level of continuity that masks
>how long it's been going on until you stop and think about it like
>that.

I had a similar experience recently. I play in a wind band, and they do a thing where for your birthday you can choose any piece in the music library to play through at the end of a rehearsal. This year I chose I Am The Doctor, the Eleventh Doctor's theme from Doctor Who, and it wasn't until I noticed the copyright information professing it to be 14 years old that I realised the start of the revival era is now closer to the day I was born than to today.

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32. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   After months of constant back-and-forth battle with the chaotic requirements of consolidating the old operations into a single facility, which necessarily entailed multiple waves of stuff arriving and cluttering the place up again each time, the VAB is really starting to come together.

In this view from the loft, we can see that although things remain chaotic around Angus's parking space, the rest of that side of the building is approaching its Final Form™. (Don't mind the water heater hanging from the gantry crane. That will eventually live in the basement of Dad's house, but they needed someplace to unload it while he researches the plumbing changes he's going to have to make to install it.)

Here's a closer view of the middle portion. The cordoned-off area is Ollie's office, featuring both his bed and his favorite recliner. Only the best for the shop manager. Someday the lift will probably be there, but for the moment, it's a nice central location for him to hang out where we can keep an eye on him and make sure he's not getting too bored.

In addition to the vast collection of hardware that came with the shop, these shelves are the standby area for the most commonly used supplies (fluids, etc.) and a staging point for soon-to-be-called-for parts and tools.

Meanwhile, next door, the area with the old workbench we salvaged from the Technology Center is now fully* configured for its new role as the Engine Lab. Once we have the heads, crankshaft, and piston assemblies back from the machine shop, this is where I'll be building the engine.

Note the sign on the wall. That was salvaged from a World War II-vintage crane that still belonged to Great Northern Paper when my father started there in 1974, and for the care and feeding of which he was responsible for a fair chunk of his career. They finally retired it in the late 1980s when they could no longer find parts for it. Having spent his entire career to date looking after it, Dad took the nameplate off it before it went off to the scrapyard, and it's been floating around his various garages ever since.

There's a fun postscript to that story. When GNP retired that crane it could no longer pass safety inspections as fit for use in an industrial setting, so the company management insisted that it only be sold for scrap. A few years later, my father had occasion to visit the scrapyard they sold it to in search of some other item the mill had a need for... and discovered the old Link-Belt still in service, being used for various lifting duties around the yard.

Speaking of ancient industrial relics, take a look at this badass drill press.

This machine was made by the Famco Machine Company of Racine, Wisconsin, probably around the same time as the old Link-Belt. I was a bit out of sorts yesterday (you may have seen the post elsewhere on these boards that suggests reasons why), so I failed to get a picture of the information plate that would tell us more, but I'll try to remember to do that next time.

My grandfather salvaged this thing when he worked for the Forest Service in the 1990s. In his capacity as handyman and general factotum of the MFS post he worked at, he was asked to dispose of it, since it had evidently suffered some massive electrical failure. Instead, he seems to have taken it home and... uh... well, look, Gramp wasn't an electrician, OK? Yes, that is a household light switch, and yes, that pigtail does appear to be a cannibalized garage extension cord. As with every single such cord he owned, the grounding pin has been cut off the plug. Dad informs me that said plug is not even polarized, so that whenever you plug this machine in, there's a 50% chance you've got it backward and energized the outer casing. This makes the user experience somewhat less than ideal.

But it's still a huge, sturdy, and powerful drill press, far superior in every mechanical respect to any of the other three(?!) drill presses my father owns, so he's determined to re-salvage it, wire it properly, and put it to use in the VAB. And I can see why, I mean, this thing's only one or two steps removed from a proper machine tool. We have that giant steel welding bench the building came with, which will be perfect for mounting this press on once we can mark it out and drill some bolt holes in the top.

Also, it's so astonishingly heavy that we're going to have to use the engine crane to lift it up there. :)

--G.
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33. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Somehow, I can see the following conversation coming up in a story:

"What *is* that?"

"Wow. I haven't seen one of these in *centuries*. This was the first Earth-built landspeeder ever made."

I'm sure you can extrapolate from there. :)


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38. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Fun fact: "Link-Belt Speeder" was the name of the company, not that specific piece of equipment. It was formed by the merger of two heavy machinery manufacturers, Link-Belt and Speeder, sort of the same way that, e.g., American Radiator and Standard Manufacturing became American Standard. (Later owners would drop the "Speeder" part and rename the division to just Link-Belt again, under which name it still operates today as part of Sumitomo Heavy Industries.)

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34. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   > I need to find a taller stool someplace.
> Wish I had the one I used to have in the old Machine Tool Lab tool crib...
>

Maybe you can go back there and get measurements of your old stool.

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37. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   >Maybe you can go back there and get measurements of your old stool.

Alas, the old MTL is no more; they tore it down a few years ago and built a slickly sponsored new facility in its place. I did visit said facility last summer and look around a bit, and though I did find the new version of the tool crib, my old stool was nowhere to be seen.

Anyway, it was a standard-height workbench stool, so it shouldn't be too hard to find something of a similar size. I just liked that one, is all. If I had known when I left the job that they were going to tear the building down relatively soon, I'd probably have offered to buy it or something. The stool, not the building.

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35. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Looking good!

Out of curiosity, how do you actually get the truck in the corner out if you need to? It looks rather wedged in. (I presume it doesn't run or is otherwise missing a crucial part.)


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36. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   >Out of curiosity, how do you actually get the truck in the corner out
>if you need to? It looks rather wedged in.

Both vehicles have one of these dollies under each wheel (it's easier to see on the car right now, since there's less stuff piled up next to it).

The dolly wheels are all casters, so it's reasonably easy for two people to move them around however we need. Once we had them on the dollies, we were able to push them into the corners.

>(I presume it doesn't run or is otherwise missing a crucial part.)

The truck doesn't have a drive train in it right now. The Impala technically does run, but the interior's out of it.

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39. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   >I failed to get a picture
>of the information plate that would tell us more, but I'll try to
>remember to do that next time.

I happened to pass by Dad's place on the way to errands farther south today, so I swung in on my way home and got said picture.

So far I haven't been able to discover an exact year, but I know this model was in production as far back as at least 1949, per this catalog I found online. Also, I discovered that Famco still exists, and I shot them a random email asking if they had any docs for the Model 80 kicking around in an old file cabinet someplace. It's unlikely, but you never know. :)

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40. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Once you get that beast to its final home, you may want to consider running its main power to a foot-switch; it'll make life easier when you can keep both hands usable working on it. :)

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41. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Oh yeah, I forgot to mention (this has been a crazy week) or get any pictures, but we fixed the Famco drill press Thursday. Well, sort of. We basically just put it back together like it already was, except with proper terminals crimped onto the connections to the motors, a correct ground, and without the switch all weirdly miswired. So it no longer, you know, electrifies the case. So that's nice!

One of these days we'll probably revisit it and replace the house light switch that currently runs it with a guarded toggle switch, like on a table saw. That way the emergency shutoff function is a little more positive (to shut off a guarded toggle in a hurry, you just hit it any which way and the guard closing turns off the switch). Might also look into that suggestion of adding a foot pedal at some point, though that would require a bit more electricianing to do right.

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42. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   It doesn't look like i'd be too hard to set up, since you have it running now -- apparently they make pedals now that you can just put inline with the power cord:

https://www.amazon.com/foot-pedal-switch/s?k=foot+pedal+switch


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43. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   >It doesn't look like i'd be too hard to set up, since you have it
>running now -- apparently they make pedals now that you can just put
>inline with the power cord:

hm, interesting. now I kind of want to repurpose a wah pedal. :)

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44. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   >Oh yeah, I forgot to mention (this has been a crazy week) or get any
>pictures, but we fixed the Famco drill press Thursday.

And now it has a home. In this afternoon's shop session, we finally got around to craning it up onto the steel bench...

... and bolting it down.

Those are grade-8 bolts, too! As the philosopher said, that ain't goin' nowhere.

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45. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Customized the old drill press a little today.

Dad wasn't in the shop when I did it. Let's see how long it takes him to notice. :)

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47. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   I feel like this one would be a good fit for it also:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1028490676/take-heed-antique-warning-label
(although truthfully all of AvE's stickers are pretty good).
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48. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Having grown up partly on a farm infested with antique equipment bodged into functionality by a mad genius, that sign is far too true.

I'm also a big fan of AvE's "NO DUMB AREA. DO NOT DUMB HERE" sticker.

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49. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Went looking for the sticker, was not disappointed. =]

Also, I noticed that AvE also does a "Not Only Will This Kill You, It Will Hurt The Whole Time You're Dying", which made me think of UF!Jen getting that inscribed on one of her guns.

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46. "RE: continuing VAB upgrades"
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   Now that you've restored it to its full upright and locked position, that drill press is eerily familiar to me -- missing black knob, rust spots, and all.

Well. Some of the rust spots. The one I worked with was less impressively decorated in that regard. But still! Back in junior high my school had a Baby's First Shop Class version of the time-honored High School Shop Class, and while we weren't nearly as well equipped as the high school was, we did have a set of wood (and in theory metal) working tools: small bandsaw, sanders, a ripsaw, etc, and a drill press. Which minus some of the rust and the nightmare switch, looks like it might have been a slightly-newer Famco like you have there. Or at least slightly better maintained. :D

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