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"more work on the shop"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Nov-03-24 AT 01:24 AM (EDT)
 
We had a bit of a shop day today; put away a bunch of tools, reorganized a couple of the toolboxes, and did some small jobs that we've been meaning to do for a while around the place.

First, a bit of a safety upgrade: we removed the field-expedient light switch from the old Famco drill press...

... and put on a slightly wider box, in order to fit a proper, modern easy-off power tool switch.

Much better! I think next I'll look into what it would take to replace that missing control lever knob. The lever is threaded at the end, but the thread, weirdly, doesn't match the two remaining knobs, which makes me think that entire lever got replaced at some point.

I think Dad thinks it's a little silly that I keep coming up with ideas for slowly restoring/updating the Famco, but, I mean, it's so cool. :)

Then, after a bunch of tool reorganization and whatnot that I didn't bother photographing, I went upstairs and made a small mod to the electric hoist we installed up there, namely...

... mixing up a little epoxy and gluing a small magnet (salvaged from, of all things, a small pencil sharpener) to the control box. Next time I'm up there, I'll take that electrical tape off, and then we'll be able to just stick the control box to the steel post instead of leaving it hanging there. It's the little things.

Speaking of the little things, here's what the lower level looked like toward the end of the day.

Nothing really profound to say about this; I just like how serene and relatively-tidy it is. Open floor, most of the random clutter from the long tile puzzle that was the move-in phase gone, populated shelves... it's nice. There's always more to do in such a shop (for instance, we could really use some better lighting--it looks fine in photos, but the old fluorescent lights in there are really kinda dim and yellow), but overall, I like where it's at right now.

--G.
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  look what we just picked up Gryphonadmin Nov-11-24 1
     RE: look what we just picked up Spectrum Nov-12-24 2
         RE: look what we just picked up Gryphonadmin Nov-12-24 3
             RE: look what we just picked up Zemyla Nov-12-24 4
                 RE: look what we just picked up Peter Eng Nov-12-24 5
                     RE: look what we just picked up Gryphonadmin Nov-12-24 6
                         RE: look what we just picked up ImpulsiveAlexia Nov-27-24 10
             RE: look what we just picked up Spectrum Nov-12-24 7
  lift session 2 Gryphonadmin Nov-13-24 8
     lift session 3 Gryphonadmin Nov-20-24 9
         lift session 4 Gryphonadmin Dec-02-24 11
             RE: lift session 4 Peter Eng Dec-02-24 12
                 RE: lift session 4 MoonEyes Dec-05-24 14
             RE: lift session 4 Verbena Dec-06-24 15
  as an aside, Gryphonadmin Dec-02-24 13
  lift session 5 Gryphonadmin Dec-08-24 16
     RE: lift session 5 Spectrum Dec-08-24 17
         RE: lift session 5 Gryphonadmin Dec-08-24 18
  lift prep for electrician Gryphonadmin Jan-05-25 19
  lift complete! Gryphonadmin Jan-07-25 20
     RE: lift complete! Zemyla Jan-07-25 21
         RE: lift complete! Gryphonadmin Jan-07-25 22
     RE: lift complete! Spectrum Jan-08-25 23
  lift now operational Gryphonadmin Jan-10-25 24
     RE: lift now operational Verbena Jan-10-25 25
     RE: lift now operational Zemyla Jan-15-25 26
  couple of bits for the lift Gryphonadmin Jan-28-25 27

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1. "look what we just picked up"
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some assembly required

We finally got a liiiiift

It's a BendPak 10AP, if you're into that level of detail.

Dad has decided that we're going to install it ourselves. I have... well, "reservations" is probably too strong a word... let's go with "concerns". My role as unofficial OSHA guy seems like it may be about to become higher-priority.

Anyway, I thought about waiting to post about it until it was actually up, but it's too exciting. Right now I'm planning to go back Wednesday to help unpack it, get everything laid out, round up the tools... putting this thing together is going to be a campaign. It'll pay to plan ahead.

--G.
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2. "RE: look what we just picked up"
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   That looks fun.

Is this intended for traversing levels or for things on the ground floor you can't winch?


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3. "RE: look what we just picked up"
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   >That looks fun.
>
>Is this intended for traversing levels or for things on the ground
>floor you can't winch?

No no, a lift as in a thing that picks up cars so you can work on the underneath parts, not as in an elevator.

--G.
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4. "RE: look what we just picked up"
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   And it's only got two legs? I'd have "concerns" too.


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5. "RE: look what we just picked up"
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   >And it's only got two legs? I'd have "concerns" too.

I'd want to see how it's bolted down first. I imagine it's something involving nine inches or more of sleeve set into the concrete, but I could be wrong.

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6. "RE: look what we just picked up"
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   >>And it's only got two legs? I'd have "concerns" too.

Two-post lifts are quite common nowadays, having mostly replaced the old-fashioned kind with the hydraulic cylinder built into the floor. They're two quite substantial posts, and you still get four points of contact on the car, so they're perfectly safe if installed and rigged correctly.

If you're curious, the main reason we didn't go with a four-post lift is that the vehicle is still sitting on its wheels when raised, so they're useless for wheel or suspension work without extra equipment.

>I'd want to see how it's bolted down first. I imagine it's something
>involving nine inches or more of sleeve set into the concrete, but I
>could be wrong.

This particular model is held down with sixteen ¾" × 6.3" anchor bolts, eight per post, with an effective embedment (the minimum depth down the hole where the expansion sleeves end up when the nuts on top are properly torqued) of 3¼". By comparison, I don't know how deep the anchors were for the lift that used to be in there--which was a unit intended to lift semi tractors and similar large industrial vehicles--but based on the cutoff ends still visible in the floor, they look to have been 1" in diameter.

The installation manual also contains a detailed set of criteria the concrete itself must meet (e.g.. the floor slab must be at least 4¼" thick and cured for a minimum of 28 days). The VAB floor meets these criteria easily, since, again, the building was originally built as a workshop for much larger, heavier vehicles. (That's also why it has such a high ceiling.)

Interestingly, the similar BendPak model that has a 16,000-pound maximum capacity (as opposed to this one's 10,000 pounds) comes with only-slightly-longer ¾" × 7" anchors, and requires a minimum floor thickness of a full 8", but the effective embedment on the anchors is exactly the same, 3¼"+.

Anyway, my concerns aren't so much about operating the lift as about whether two broken old fat men can actually build the damn thing. It is a task of daunting complexity, above and beyond the strictly mechanical concerns of standing up and properly affixing the biggest and heaviest parts, the two posts. These things have a lot of moving parts, figuratively and literally. But, you know, one step at a time. If we keep plugging, we'll get it sooner or later.

One saving grace is that the manual is both comprehensive and comprehensible, neither of which is a given with this kind of machinery these days. It appears to have been written by someone who understood both the machine and the English language. So that's handy!

--G.
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10. "RE: look what we just picked up"
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   >One saving grace is that the manual is both comprehensive and
>comprehensible, neither of which is a given with this kind of
>machinery these days.

Jealous stares intensify.

(The last thing of any substance I had to put together was a glass display case for the next set of getting-stolen-too-much stuff at work. The manual was only slightly more useful in this endeavor than a sheet of copy paper with "fuck you" written on it in sharpie would have been. And it wasn't even in the box, I had to download it from the manufacturer's website.)

-IA.

(admittedly this still made it better than the old style of cases were)


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7. "RE: look what we just picked up"
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   >>That looks fun.
>>
>>Is this intended for traversing levels or for things on the ground
>>floor you can't winch?
>
>No no, a lift as in a thing that picks up cars so you can work on the
>underneath parts, not as in an elevator.
>

Oh, I thought you were finally declaring war on stairs, which I totally understand.

That is perhaps even more useful in a garage. ;)


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8. "lift session 2"
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   Today we finished unpacking the lift components, checked them for any obvious damage, and got everything off the trailer.

This is the stuff that was packed in the box of smaller parts. Anchors, cables, hydraulic hoses, lots of hardware, and so forth.

These things are very heavy. Getting them off the trailer was a bit of a word problem. You can kind of see how we did it, with the cargo straps and the gantry; not shown are the chains we used to attach the other end. Those square steel frames at the bottom ends of the posts are part of the packaging for shipping and will be removed before they get stood up.

As an aside, I've watched several YouTube videos of this lift type being set up (BendPak often gives them to hot-rod and tuner YT channels as a sponsorship thing). These channels tend to be staffed by Fit Young Men, so in all that I've seen so far, the guy shooting the video is just like "hey Chris, Steve, gimme a hand with this" and they... stand the posts up, like it's an Amish barn raising. We will, eh, not be doing it that way. :)

I mean, I get why it's on there, but at the same time, that "FRAGILE" label is pretty funny on what is essentially a steel beam. :)

Mind you, they're not just steel beams, even as they come from the factory. There's a lot of stuff that needs to be installed, but they do come with the hydraulic rams and slides already mounted.

--G.
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9. "lift session 3"
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   Nothing detailed to report today, nor anything really worth taking pictures of. There are a number of cables and hydraulic hoses that have to be routed up the inside of the posts while they're still lying down, and we got about three-quarters of that done this afternoon. Next time we should be able to finish the hydraulics and finalize exactly where we're going to put it. Then there'll be some developments worth photographing...

--G.
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11. "lift session 4"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-24 AT 02:32 PM (EST)
 
This session was actually three sessions, for reasons that will become apparent as we go.

The first order of business when operations resumed was to work out how we were going to move the posts around and get them into position. Fortunately, we had our overhead crane/hoist arrangement for that. Unfortunately, it isn't quite as tall as the posts. Fortunately, we had geometry!

After choosing and marking out the final positions of both posts, which I completely failed to get a photo of, we were able to use the crane and some creative repositioning to stand up the first post without destroying anything or hurting ourselves!

Here we do get a look at the paint lines we put down to mark where the posts were to go. In this one, you can see that we originally marked it out a few inches closer to the wall. After marking it off, we noticed that scar in the concrete you can see crossing the line, and decided to move the post off it. It probably wouldn't have hurt anything, but we had the wiggle room, so what the heck.

Drilling the anchor holes for this post was hard. After considering various rental options, Dad decided to just go out and buy a hammer drill and the appropriate bit, but it didn't work terribly well. Each post of this model drill requires eight ¾-inch holes four inches deep for the anchors, and drilling the first few took ages. Much longer than seemed at all reasonable.

(Yes, that is an old couch cushion. Look, a man doesn't want to kneel on raw concrete, OK?)

Anyway, after struggling to make the first few holes, Dad was looking in some disappointment at the drill... and realized that it wasn't in hammer mode. It was just working like a regular drill. He had drilled those holes with plain brute force. I may have laughed until I felt dizzy at this point.

Putting the drill in hammer mode did seem to work better, until we hit rebar in the final hole (naturally). Either the drill or the bit we had couldn't really deal with that--and the gearbox on the drill had started leaking oil by that point, possibly because of all that "not being in hammer mode" action earlier.

A bit disappointed, we called it off for the day. Between then and our next get-together, Dad returned the leaking drill and exchanged it for another of the same model. We then reconvened, prepared to tackle the problem hole... and the second drill died after a single run. Not with any obvious mechanical failure or magic smoke emission from the electronics, it just... suddenly didn't work.

Father was displeased.

So, off we went to the Big Hardware Store once again. This time the DeWalt was just getting returned. Dad, like most dads, has a Favorite Power Tool Brand, but he hadn't bought one of those because they're more expensive. Now he was in "I should've done this all along" mode, and off we went to the other Big Hardware Store, because they carry his Favorite Brand and the first one didn't.

By the time we got back to the shop, the day was just about gone, but we at least fired up the new drill to see how it (and the new bit that went with it) handled the rebar hole.

It handled it in about 20 seconds. We were tempted to try to stand up the second post at that point, but as both of us had commitments that evening, we didn't have time.

So, we reconvened today and went back to it.

After spending an entire session of struggle and pain securing post 1, post 2 was stood up and fully bolted down in 45 minutes.

We spent the rest of the day building this staging around the posts, to facilitate putting together the top assembly next time.

There is a lot still to do, but getting these things stood up and torqued down is a big, big deal for us.

--G.
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12. "RE: lift session 4"
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   "Dad, like most dads, has a Favorite Power Tool Brand..."

I inherited a collection of Yellow Power Tools from my father, but a friend of mine who worked for Red Power Tools for a while spoke well of both them and Blue Power Tools.

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14. "RE: lift session 4"
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   And amusingly, quite a few of there have no notable differences.

So for instance, Yellow Tools are also Orange and Black Tools and Red Tools are also YellowyGreen Tools, as well as Orange and Black Tools which aren't the same ones as the others.

As I understand, though, Blue Tools are only Blue.

Oh, and Red/YellowyGreen are also Vacuum Cleaner, Vacuum Cleaner and Vacuum Cleaner.


That is, Makita is only Makita, Black+Decker owns Dewalt, and TTI owns Milwaukee, Ryobi and AEG(well, the power tools section), as well as Oreck, Hoover, Dirt Devil and Vax

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15. "RE: lift session 4"
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   I'm not in tune with power tools to this extent, but I'm still amazed and impressed by the effort and attention to detail involved in a project like this. This looks awesome and I wish you the best of luck!

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13. "as an aside,"
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   I took the American Lift Institute's online course and am now a Certified Lift Operator. This is not as big a deal as it sounds, as is often the case with these industry organizations, but still, it was probably worth doing. In amongst the painfully obvious things that are always included in that kind of industrial safety training (e.g., the short course I had to take each year when I worked in the Machine Tool Lab at school, which was very particular about proper lifting procedures and the correct use of extension cords), there were some useful tips and tidbits.

One of the things I think was useful, right at the beginning, was this piece of information, which is obvious on its face and yet provides a helpful way of re-framing one's way of thinking about this stuff: With every other piece of industrial lifting equipment, the cardinal rule is you never go under the load. Uniquely, with a vehicle lift, the whole point is to go under the load. This makes it particularly important to keep one's wits about one while operating such a thing.

As an aside to this aside, I was in my father's office the day one of the guys on his crew was killed in a Going Under the Load accident. They were lifting one of the huge steel rollers that go in a paper machine, and the guy in question lost something out of his pocket as he was walking past. It was some trivial object, pack of cigarettes, lighter, something like that, but he instinctively lunged after it--at the exact moment that the crane failed and dropped the roller.

I didn't see it happen, but a man came running to get Dad, and there was a lot of yelling and running around outside after he left. He came back profoundly shaken, as you might imagine, and we took a different route than usual out of the building to get to the parking lot and go home. I would've been 12 or 13, I think. The guy never knew what hit him, and I've never forgotten the lesson. I expect I'll think of that day whenever I'm working out the lift plan for any given vehicle...

--G.
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16. "lift session 5"
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   Today on Two Guys Build a Lift: The apparatus takes its final shape!

The top piece on this model of lift does a couple of things. The most obvious is that it removes the necessary hydraulic connection between the two posts from the floor, where earlier models of two-post lifts put it. This was easier to assemble, for obvious reasons, but it meant you had to have a big metal hump on the floor so that vehicles wouldn't crush the hoses while driving into position to be lifted. It's for this reason that the type with the connection at the top is advertised as the "clear floor" type.

It also ties the posts together at the top mechanically, which counteracts their natural tendency to deviate from being perfectly parallel under load. On the other hand, it now provides a thing at the top of the lift for the roof of the vehicle to potentially run into, but the makers thought of that. That padded bar hanging from the top structure is loosely attached and can swing if the vehicle is lifted into it. Once the electrical work is done, that will actuate a microswitch that shuts the lift down before damage can result. Neat!

The next order of business was to run the balancing cables, which connect the two lift heads together and make sure that they stay level with each other. You may remember from previous installments that these were coiled up at the top of the posts waiting for this phase. They could now be brought across and run down the opposite posts, where they connected to the lift heads not far from the origin points of their counterparts.

Left: the big threaded fitting at the far end of one cable. Center: that lift head's hydraulic ram. (The cardboard isn't really meant to stay there after shipping, but it's trapped under the clamps, which are important and we didn't want to disturb them by loosening them enough to get the cardboard out.) Right: the end of the other balancing cable, which is attached down inside the lift head, out of sight.

The threaded fitting is attached from underneath with a big ol' Nyloc nut:

Once the hydraulics are operational and the arms are attached, the final leveling will be done by adjusting this nut and its counterpart on the other side.

A small but important part that also needed to be crossed over and attached was this thin cable, which connects the safety interlock on the offside post to this lever, which is in turn directly attached to the safety lock on the power side post. This makes it possible for one person to operate both locks simultaneously, which has to be done to lower the lift.

(There is a lot of extra cable there. I'm not sure why, since this is with the lift assembled as wide as it can possibly be.)

To top off the day, we finished assembling the hydraulic hoses, which involved running a long one across the top, connecting a couple of intermediate fittings, and then connecting up the stouter hose that runs directly from the pump into the rest of the system. Oh, and hanging the pump on its bracket, which was trickier than it really needed to be, but very satisfying to have done.

The situation at the end of the day:

(cameo appearance by the old man, on his way to shut off the water)

Except for the arms, this is now pretty much mechanically complete. It's ready for the electrical work, after which it'll be time to tear down the staging, add fluid, and pressurize the system. The arms go on last, since they're easier to put on once you can raise the lift heads together.

Unfortunately, today was the last day we'll be able to work on it for a week or so—other stuff going on at both ends. Still, we're closing in on it, slowly but surely. It was very satisfying to get it into something visibly close to its final form today.

--G.
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17. "RE: lift session 5"
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   > A small but important part that also needed to be crossed over and attached was this thin cable, which connects the safety interlock on the offside post to this lever, which is in turn directly attached to the safety lock on the power side post. This makes it possible for one person to operate both locks simultaneously, which has to be done to lower the lift.

Given natural mention in other posts of how dangerous situations like this can be if something goes wrong, how does the safety lock work on this model?


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18. "RE: lift session 5"
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   >Given natural mention in other posts of how dangerous situations like
>this can be if something goes wrong, how does the safety lock work on
>this model?

Overly wordy explanation of a thing that is mechanically pretty elegant but complicated to explain verbally:

Basically, there's a hinged metal wedge on each post, spring-loaded to bias it toward the lift head, and the heads have a series of flanges on them the push the wedges out of the way as they rise. The springs make the wedges pop back out after each flange passes--if you've ever watched one of these in action and heard a rhythmic clanking as it went up, this or something like is what's making that noise--and when the heads try to come back down, the most recent flanges land on the wedges.

Here's a diagram from the manual, which doesn't show how they relate to the rest of the mechanism, but gives a decent idea of what the lock gadgets themselves are built like:

The cable runs from the offside one (left), up to the top, across, and back down to connect to the power side one (right), which has the lever on it. The sheaves (those pulley-looking things) align the cable so that when you pull the lever to disengage the power side one, it actuates the offside one at the same time.

The standard procedure with this model is to run it up until it goes past the nearest lock point to the height you want, then release the hydraulics without pulling the yellow lever, so that the lift comes down and lands on the safeties. That way you're not relying on the hydraulic system to keep the car off your head--there's a metal-on-metal interaction on both sides holding it up. To lower the vehicle back to the floor, you raise the lift slightly to free the locks, then let off the hydraulics and pull the lock release lever at the same time. With the wedges held out of the way, the lift can come down past them.

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19. "lift prep for electrician"
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   I got the photos for this post ready and then never did the post for some reason. Our most recent times in the shop have seen us get the lift ready for the electrician to come.

BendPak did something rather clever with the installation manual: they didn't include enough information about the electrical part of the process for anyone without sufficient training as an electrician to do it themselves. Like, connecting the bit at the breaker box is simple, but exactly how the safety switch at the top of the assembly, the wiring provided with the control switch and motor, and the extra pieces that are required but not included (a manual and a thermal safety cutoff)--none of that is specified in enough detail to work with it if you don't Know A Thing Or Two™ about how that stuff works. I assume, from the bold and large-type reminders at this stage of the manual that a licensed electrician must be involved, that they did this on purpose. Probably for liability purposes, since these things are expected to be installed in commercial environments.

For our purposes, Dad was tempted to attempt it himself anyway (since in this state, you're not breaking any laws if you mess with the wiring on your own property, at your own risk), but good sense prevailed and he decided to heed the big print and hire a professional.

But, since those guys don't work cheap, he set out to get absolutely everything they weren't needed for in place before they arrive, so we spent a couple of afternoons putting up conduit and running some heavy-duty armored cable from the power unit to the box.

With that, everything is in place. Literally all the electrician should need to do is connect the correct wires to the correct places between the top microswitch and the power unit, add the two required switches, tie it all together, and connect it to the box (where the correct breaker is already present). Then we can tear down the staging, pressurize the hydraulic system, install the arms (which we could've done already, but it'll be much easier when we can use the hydraulics to raise the lift heads a bit), make one last check that everything is square and level, and... we're done. We'll have a working vehicle lift in the VAB.

Of course, we finished that up on December 22, so naturally that meant we had to wait out the holidays before we could book an electrician. He's scheduled to be there tomorrow morning; I'm heading down at the usual time, hopefully to get those last few steps done.

Exciting!

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20. "lift complete!"
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   The power unit is wired up!

The arms are on! (Which was harder than it looks. Those things are heavy, man.)

The lift is complete!

It's not quite 100 percent operational yet--our test runs indicate that the insides of the posts are not sufficiently greased yet, and the balancing cables still need a tiny bit of dialing in. But it's... let's say 97 percent complete. Sure, it took us probably six times as long as it has any of the young, beefy car dudes you'll see building them if you search on YouTube, but still! Somehow, a couple of broke-down old dudes built this thing all by themselves (with the aid of a couple hours of a licensed electrician's time), without any injuries and without breaking anything. I'd call that a definite win.

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21. "RE: lift complete!"
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   Yes.

Hell yes.

Hell fucking yes.

Is there a chance you can record video of the lift in operation?


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22. "RE: lift complete!"
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   >Is there a chance you can record video of the lift in operation?

I'll see what I can do.

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23. "RE: lift complete!"
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   Congrats! Seems like hiring the electrician went smoothly.


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24. "lift now operational"
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Heck yeah.

Here's a shot of how the arms are arranged to pick up this particular vehicle, if you're curious.

I was asked to provide video of the lift in operation, so, here you go. Interestingly, the lift takes almost exactly a minute to go all the way up.

That banging noise you hear is the spring-loaded safety locks passing each of the stops built into the posts, which are angled so the locks can slide past going up, but not coming back down. You can see Dad let it down slightly once it reaches the top, so that it's resting on the uppermost set of stops.

Please note that that license plate is a perfectly ordinary, randomly assigned Maine plate number, and not a vanity plate disclosing the number of experience points you get for slaying a 2013 Beetle Fender Edition.

Anyway! At long last, the lift is now fully operational. A good day's work, capped off by a fine sunset from the VAB.

--G.
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25. "RE: lift now operational"
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   That's fantastic! Congratulations!

Also, I agree, that certainly can't be the right XP for a VW. You deserve at least 1700 and an uncommon drop.

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26. "RE: lift now operational"
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   >I was asked to provide video of the lift in operation, so,
>here you go. Interestingly, the lift
>takes almost exactly a minute to go all the way up.

I've never seen a car lift in action, and I don't know how long I expected it to take. I think I thought it'd be either faster or slower. Still, it's really cool.


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27. "couple of bits for the lift"
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   We have acquired some accessories for the lift, to make it better suited to what we need to do with it. For older-style vehicles with separate frames underneath, Bendpak makes a cradle adapter that lifts them more securely than the default round pads (which are more suited to modern unibody vehicles with designed-in lifting points on them, since that's what the vast majority of shops today spend most of their time working on).

Also seen here is one of the extensions they offer, which are needed for applications like this since the lift usually has to reach around body panels and whatnot to get to the frame members. As an aside, those things are heavy. From the photos, we expected them to be thick-walled tubing sections, but apart from the hole in the top for the adapter to plug into, they're solid steel all the way down.

You can kind of see how that works here. The bed section is off the pickup right now, but if it were on there, the lift needs this vertical clearance to hit these rear lifting points without crushing the side panels...

... and the same in front.

Now we can pick up the older vehicles safely. Well, the truck, anyway. The Impala might be a trickier lift, because for reasons known only to GM's engineers, that generation of full-sized Chevrolets had an X-shaped frame instead of the conventional H-shaped arrangement. This was not really an issue in the days when shop lifts were a huge hydraulic cylinder in the floor that you drove the car onto and then pushed it up from below, but the type that has to reach in from the sides can have trouble reaching. There are some workarounds, but we'll have to see later on how it goes.

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