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"AI/Nano future"
 
   I was wondering what everyone thought about true AI (or artificial personality if you wish) or nanomachines. Do you think we'll have them soon(next 5 years) if not what DO you think life will be like in 2025?


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  RE: AI/Nano future Laudre Mar-29-01 1
     RE: AI/Nano future yostinso Mar-29-01 2
         RE: AI/Nano future Perko Mar-29-01 3
             RE: AI/Nano future Wedge Mar-29-01 4
                 RE: AI/Nano future Perko Apr-03-01 5
                     RE: AI/Nano future Matrix Dragon Apr-08-01 7
                         RE: AI/Nano future Astynax Apr-10-01 13
  RE: AI/Nano future Danyael Apr-08-01 6
     RE: AI/Nano future Perko Apr-09-01 8
         RE: AI/Nano future yostinso Apr-09-01 9
             RE: AI/Nano future megazone Apr-09-01 10
                 RE: AI/Nano future Wedge Apr-09-01 11
                 RE: AI/Nano future yostinso Apr-10-01 12
                     RE: AI/Nano future Astynax Apr-10-01 15
                 RE: AI/Nano future Astynax Apr-10-01 14
  Seems relevant Wedge Apr-10-01 16

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Laudre
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1. "RE: AI/Nano future"
In response to message #0
 
   >I was wondering what everyone thought about true AI (or artificial
>personality if you wish) or nanomachines. Do you think we'll have them
>soon(next 5 years) if not what DO you think life will be like in 2025?

Well, that's a real tough thing to even begin to guess at. Simulated intelligence is just a matter of building a system that can pass a Turing test, and depending on who you ask, we may already be at that point. As for true AI, are you talking about a self-aware machine, or an expert system that responds like a human being? If you're talking about a self-aware machine, then it depends on whether or not you subscribe to the "strong AI" idea, where all it takes is a critical mass of processing power and learning potential to achieve self-awareness (I believe "strong AI" is the term, not sure, since I'm running on low-sleep at the moment); personally, I don't, so building a truly self-aware machine might not happen in our lifetime without a better understanding of how our own self-awareness functions. An expert system that responds like a human personality... well, if Moore's "Law" holds true for the next couple of decades, we'll probably see that by 2025 or so.

As for nanotech... well, significant strides are happening constantly, and I think it's first ultra-tech development we'll probably see. (We're already in early TL8, in GURPS terms, and TL9 isn't all that far off, all things considered.) It'll probably be a good twenty or thirty years before we might see things like nanotech healing colonies or nanotech factories even being seriously considered for production, since there's a fair amount of hurdles that have to be overcome. They're hardly insurmountable -- mostly a matter of time and engineering, not so much raw invention -- but it's going to take a lot of time before we're going to see mass production of molecular machines.

Cyberware... that's a different matter. I can see common prosthetics that will function essentially like a cybernetic limb (i.e., riding neural impulses) being the norm rather than the exception, particularly in recent amputees, by sometime between 2005 and 2010. Decking will most likely start as a way of helping quadraplegics and the like use computers and other electronics; a control alternative that functions directly on neural input rather than mechanical operation of an input device. Those I can also see becoming common by the end of this decade, probably first in Europe and then later gaining acceptance Stateside. How long before these kind of implants become common is another matter; it depends on how invasive and how easily reversible the operation is, and how safe the hardware is in terms of longitudinal effects. Going the other way -- neural *input* through a cybernetic control -- will take significantly longer, and probably a number of human guinea pigs, because it's learning a whole new sense. It's like a thirty-five-year-old who's been blind from birth suddenly gaining sight; a LOT of learning that isn't easy for an adult mind to do.

Reflex boosters, strength enhancements... I don't know, and I don't care, since I wouldn't have a use for them. As I've said before, rigging and decking sound interesting and useful, and that and maybe nanotech healers are about the only types of cybertech I'd be interested in.

-- Sean --

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Mar-29-01, 03:32 AM (EDT)
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2. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   Well, my personal hope for nanotech is that they get decent semi-immortality sometime in the next 80 years (and hey, it could happen), so that I can go learn everything there is to learn. I'm one of those people who would be willing to live forever, if only so I could always be experiencing new things.

AI scares me a bit; I really wouldn't trust an artificial concious entity with more than I would trust a human; i.e. not very much...

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Perko
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Mar-29-01, 04:46 PM (EDT)
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3. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   Argh! The subject of death!

Talking about where the cool tech is going before midnight is like telling ghost stories at a beach party.

Regardless, I'm a pompous, arrogant ass when it comes to AI, so I'll just keep my mouth shut here to keep it from being stapled closed by someone else, and suffice it to say that I am pro-AI, and believe a learning system more efficient than the human mind could easily be developed within twenty years.

And as for nano:

You can have it in fifty years, I'm sure, but not likely in America, home of the Not-So-Brave. There's no way they would allow the chaos that would follow a really good set of nanoregulators - the ones that would cease aging and keep you at peak health. Plus, there are drugs that are banned for less danger.

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Wedge
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4. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   >You can have it in fifty years, I'm sure, but not likely in America,
>home of the Not-So-Brave. There's no way they would allow the chaos
>that would follow a really good set of nanoregulators - the ones that
>would cease aging and keep you at peak health. Plus, there are drugs
>that are banned for less danger.

Would they allow the chaos of, say, someone in Canada (or any country for that matter) putting out the same regulators? The prospect of functional immortality would send people scrabbling over the border like rats.

Given the options, I'd wonder which side of the equation they'd want to be on...

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Perko
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5. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   Oh definitely Canada... it's much cleaner there...

No, wait, you mean on the nano-issues...

I guess it would all depend on who was in power at the time, and what the current level of public technophobia is.

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Matrix Dragon
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7. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   In terms of the banning of nanotech or similar designs, it seems likely that if some countries did approve the technology for public use, then other countries couldn't really enforce a ban themselves. Take the 'Detian' nanotech suggested earlier. If it was approved in Britain, then the US would bring it in, simply because the senators wouldn't want to be outdone by the Brits. It's a matter of ego really.

Although the technophobia could cause a problem, it seems likely that some people would try it, and it would catch on. That's what happened with the internet.

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13. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   >"Hmmm, Detian.... Anyone got Edison Bell's number?"

Nit alert: Omega 2 is a retro virus, not nanotech. Alters genes, doesn't repair damage itself:)

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6. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   >I was wondering what everyone thought about true AI (or artificial
>personality if you wish) or nanomachines. Do you think we'll have them
>soon(next 5 years) if not what DO you think life will be like in 2025?


This is not an easy question to awnser.
BUT here is my guess on the AI stuff....
Self aware AI's will be awailble IF and only IF you can mac irrational logic statments like.
"I may do it if I FEEl like it"
"Maybe if you give me an othe HDD, the I might consider doing this/that"
"How's you sister marth nowadays? Havent heard from her since last X-mas What should you have for dinner?" (computers doesn't eat)
and this might only come tru if we get the quantum computers to work. and if we do then its time to reevaluate the concept of random events..... or something like that (jorl knows more about this than I do)
and that all folks!



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8. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   Spoken like someone trying to emulate what he thinks the human mind is like.

Perhaps that _is_ what the human mind is like... but that's not the only way to learn or act...

I like ellipses...

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yostinso
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Apr-09-01, 09:29 PM (EDT)
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9. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   There's that random computer at MIT with a camera that tracks people who come into the room and is reading tons of USENET, supposedly as a way to learn English in a human-babylike manner... With a big red off button out of reach of its arms ;)

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10. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   >There's that random computer at MIT with a camera that tracks people
>who come into the room and is reading tons of USENET, supposedly as a
>way to learn English in a human-babylike manner...

Great, so its first words won't be mama, or dada...

"Me too!"

Then it'll advance to things like "You're a Nazi!", "Are u a gurl?" and "L33T W4R3Z R0XX0R5!!1!!!1!!!"

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Wedge
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11. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   >>There's that random computer at MIT with a camera that tracks people
>>who come into the room and is reading tons of USENET, supposedly as a
>>way to learn English in a human-babylike manner...
>
>Great, so its first words won't be mama, or dada...
>
>"Me too!"
>
>Then it'll advance to things like "You're a Nazi!", "Are u a gurl?"
>and "L33T W4R3Z R0XX0R5!!1!!!1!!!"

"When Skynet huffs paint thinner, next time on Jerry Springer!"


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yostinso
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Apr-10-01, 00:58 AM (EDT)
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12. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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>Then it'll advance to things like "You're a Nazi!", "Are u a gurl?"
>and "L33T W4R3Z R0XX0R5!!1!!!1!!!"

Eezactly.. It's going to turn into "how to make a script kiddie"

Now if only they had it reading Eyrie, then they'd end up with some odd gweepish creature ;)

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15. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   >
>Now if only they had it reading Eyrie, then they'd end up with some
>odd gweepish creature ;)
>

Hmm, find out what newsgroups it's subscribed to, and cross post the eyrie collection to them all:) <yeah, I know, that's kinda SPAMish, but for once, it's for a good cause>

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Astynax
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14. "RE: AI/Nano future"
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   >Great, so its first words won't be mama, or dada...
>
>"Me too!"
>
>Then it'll advance to things like "You're a Nazi!", "Are u a gurl?"
>and "L33T W4R3Z R0XX0R5!!1!!!1!!!"
>

Keep that up and I'll send you the bill for the new keyboards I'll need after showering them with soda.

<and gods help us all when it discovers pr0n>

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Wedge
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16. "Seems relevant"
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   The new (and final one before the film's release) trailer for A.I. is out for those who are interested:

http://countingdown.com/features?feature_id=16381

I think it looks pretty amazing myself, but then I'm a huge Kubrick/Spieilberg fan, so I'm biased out of the gate.

The trailer is in Quicktime format, fyi.


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