K, I'll just leave it as "Insanely High" and move on.

>>Point 3 - The Galaxy's smallest Macross Cannon. As if the main
>>reactor wasn't enough, the Daggerdisc has that.
>
>Wouldn't be a lot of point in having a Reflex furnace without a Reflex
>cannon.

Hmm, now that you mention it I guess there isn't. I always thought
that Fold Drive == Reflex Furnace, but between various posts about
the Destiny's Fist and the little bit about WDF bombers
with fold drives in Christmas Rose I should've have caught it sooner.

>>Gryphon, I must
>>ask, was the question "What's the biggest target we expect to
>>face with any chance of survival?" or was it "What's the smallest
>>target we can't blow up with a ship this size?" when deciding on
>>the ship's weapons fit?
>
>Well, actually, it wasn't anywhere near that sophisticated. The
>original thought process was something along the lines of, "Hey, the
>ship has two prongs on the front. You could set up a Reflex harmonic
>between those."

Ah, okay. Unfortunately, my only exposure to a Macross/Reflex Cannon
comes by way of Macross 7. The Macross cannon in that series looks
more like a capital ship scale version of the VF-17's gunpod than
anything else.

>>The fact that the Macross Cannon is
>>a little more soft-SF than I prefer is secondary.
>
>... boy, you're in the wrong aisle if soft-SF tech bothers you...

I wasn't really knocking soft SF in general, just a badly-phrased
way of saying beam weapons that can kill small-to-midsize
warships, even if it misses by a large number of beam diameters,
stretches credibilty too far for me. Side effect of being an
engineer whose hobbies include toying with particle beam weapon
concepts. (Only on paper, sadly.)

>>Point 4 - The strip phasers.

snipage

>The fact that
>Daggerdisc's phaser banks are based on the same technology
>doesn't mean they're at the same power level.

Hmm, noted. Guess I'm just analyzing things far more than I really
should bother, given that the goddess of technology (and likely a
good bit of technomagic and possibly outright magic) is involved.

>>Either way, it begs the question of how would the EPU crew
>>change/update/tweak/whatever the White Star for use in the UF
>>universe.
>
>Well, for myself, I probably wouldn't. I don't particularly like the
>White Star design. It certainly doesn't fit into my concept
>for the overall look and feel of the International Police Organization
>Space Force.
>
>(Besides, a ship of that type already exists in the UF
>universe; its name is Sol Bianca. I've always found that
>particular coincidence very interesting... )

That, and if the IPO really needed some ships in that class they
can always get CEC to build more YT-1312 spaceframes and go from
there. But that would kinda kill the appeal of the original,
wouldn't it?

As for the Sol Bianca, I've never seen or heard of it outside of
the Hammertime arc of UF. I'll make a note to try researching it
sometime and refrain from further comment.

Alath A'Tharen

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That's because it is a gunpod, entirely selfcontained and capable of manuvering by itself. It's also about the size of one of the prongs on the front of the SDF-1, so in theory they could have carried a pair. Whether or not there would have been a point... forget it, noting to do with the thread, sorry.

>>>Point 4 - The strip phasers.
>
>>The fact that
>>Daggerdisc's phaser banks are based on the same technology
>>doesn't mean they're at the same power level.
>
>Hmm, noted. Guess I'm just analyzing things far more than I really
>should bother, given that the goddess of technology (and likely a
>good bit of technomagic and possibly outright magic) is involved.

Useful for point defense agaisnt missiles (aim in general direction and swing), so probably a fairly standard bit of equipment on starships these days.

drakensisthered

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Sol Bianca is most likely Latin for "White Star." I know sol is Latin for "sun" or "star," but I can only guess that bianca is the Latin derivative for the Spanish work blanca which means "white." I think Gryphon is just alluding to maybe someone reading the UF stories.

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>>As for the Sol Bianca, I've never seen or heard of it outside of
>>the Hammertime arc of UF. I'll make a note to try researching it
>>sometime and refrain from further comment.
>
>Sol Bianca is most likely Latin for "White Star."

It's a barbarism - "sol" is Latin for sun, "bianca" is Italian for "white" (when modifying feminine nouns). (If I remember my old UMaine Latin course, "white" in Latin is usually either "niveus" or "albus".)

>I think Gryphon is just
>alluding to maybe someone reading the UF stories.

Um... no. There was a short series of OVAs, years ago, entitled Sol Bianca, which is where Marty got the ship and its crew for his story. (Since then, the concept has been reborn, as so often happens these days, as a markedly inferior television series.)

Anyway, the White Star bears an interesting resemblance to the Sol Bianca (aside from the color; the Sol Bianca is actually white), and what with the eerie similarity of names... well, I've always thought it was an interesting coincidence, not unlike Classic Yuri's blaster pistol showing up on Deep Space Nine.

I sincerely doubt that Joe Straczynski has read UF.

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Well.. it is known that a lot of Trek writers are fond of at very least the Lovely Angels. One of the active and vital elements in a holoemitter is, if memory serves: Keiyurium.

Berk Watkins
Student of Quantum Bogodynamics...

This URL has a bit more info about the links between anime and Trek:

http://www.tky.hut.fi/~otakut/faqs/Anime-StarTrek.txt

Ard

Ard Sumhenner
Ronin Research, Sacramento, CA

Well, where "a lot of Trek writers" equals "senior artist Rick Sternbach", anyway. :)

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Berk Watkins
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No. Sol Bianca is the name of an anime, covering two OAV episodes, featuring an all-female pirate crew on a hyper-advanced starship.

'Sol Blanca' (note the spelling) would be 'White Sun,' anyway, -not- 'White Star.' (in Spanish, 'estrella blanca').

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Oh, they were getting the job done all right - not as well as they would have with more precise, selective targeting, but you need some kind of guiding intelligence for that. No, not intelligence, the autotargeting system has that, after a fashion - some kind of guiding intuition. Anyway, the Earth orbital defense network is what we in the industry like to refer to as a "target-rich environment", and phasers, like most weapons, have the disadvantage of being able to blast only one thing at a time.

>A
>standard UF caveat: computer control is usually inferior to manual
>control.

This is true, at least in cases where the computer lacks intuition.

The fact that the effectiveness of the dorsal turret increased once Dorothy manned it is one of many points of data in her favor when it comes to her Turing application.

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Will she use it, though? Or be ABLE to use it? I mean, 'this weapon increased in efficency when she was shooting it' might not exactly be a good thing to bring to the table, as it were.

-Mooneyes

The Board doesn't concern itself with politics. :)

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As long, that is, as the do not come down upon Herr von Brauns own chrome-dome.

-Mooneyes

>As long, that is, as the do not come down upon Herr von Brauns own
>chrome-dome.

Picky, picky, picky.

Mr. Fnord, I shoot a rocket into the air...
--
"'Explain all that,' said the Mock Turtle.
'No, no! The adventures first,' said the Gryphon in an impatient tone: 'explanations take such a dreadful time.'"
-- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland

Well, ok, yeah. But, shooting a gun isn't just politics, after all. Just a remark, as I have no problem with her doing it, at all. But, had it been me, I don't think I'd picked it as a reason for certification. I would have DONE it...but, like Kate being less than happy about having achieved The Blade of the Inviolate Soul since it might have killed someone, I would imagine that Dorothy would perhaps not mention it, since she was shooting at people, self-defense or NOT self-defense.

-Mooneyes

Coverage of arcs. YT-13xx ships have slight gunnery blind spots, even with the excellent placement of the turrets. Like, say, directly port and starboard (boarding ramp area), in about a 5 degree cone on either vector on Dorsal/Ventral centerline. Those phasers probably cover it, and have a higher power/response time, not to mention they can continuously 'stream', unlike the quads.

Just my views on the subject.

JFerio
"It'll be all right... I think."

These are all good points; in addition, there are certain situations in which phased energy is superior in effect to blasterfire. You can do clever things with phasers and projected deflector shields, for instance.

Also, tied into the coverage of arcs, the phasers can cover points independently of the turrets, giving the ship higher overall firepower without requiring the installation of more turrets - there really isn't anywhere else to put hardpoints for additional conventional turrets anyway. They can also track significantly faster, which is useful when navigating, say, a minefield or asteroid belt.

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Ok... that makes more sense. Although I cant figure out the point of all this gear in such a small ship... I mean, Gryph built it for asteroid racing...

Oh, I forgot about then getting involved with Skuld. The two of them putting their heads together probobly turned into a "How much can we cram in and still have room for the Bathroom" sort of brainstorm session.

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Yeah, pretty much. Between the two of them, they hardly need a better reason than, say, "Hmm... I wonder if we could fit a Reflex cannon into the forward hold?" The ship doesn't need to serve a specific function and it certainly doesn't need to be reproducible. (Oh, they could build another, but it would cost so much they might as well just commission another Sovereign-class battleship. Reflex equipment is not cheap to scratch-build.)

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Its probobly not real cost effective to mass produce, either... After all, the WDF only HAD one ship for what... 300 odd years? It wasn't until the Corp War with Genom that Gryph got the WDF into building ships in a big way. (in more ways than one^_^)

___________________

Vaughn doesn't know I exist. I guess this explains why the rest of reality keeps ignoring me as well. >_<

Oh...the Daggerdisc has no bathroom. It does, however, have finely-tuned transporters that can remove waste products from your body while you are on station. Trust me, this makes the Kessel Run much easier.

--rR

That is rather prone to BAD failures I'd imagine...

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Gunbuster. She's the red-haired hotshot mecha pilot from the Soviet Union.

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Jeanne

>AL?!
>
What, you were expecting Sam Beckett?? Doc's pretty much got his job in the UF-Verse.

>Okay, I'll bite. Where's Jung-Freud from? ("Earth" is not an
>acceptable answer.)
>

the depths of Truss' imagination. Make's you wonder about him, doesn't it? FWIW, in RL both Freud and Jung were Headthumpers who made big strides in the field, but not neccicarily in the right directions.

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Actually, Jung-Freud was a co-star in Gainax's groundbreaking 'Gunbuster' OAV series. The actress went on to greater glory as Asuka in NGE, but now complains about being 'typecast' as a red-headed b*tch. }:-{D

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Hey, hey. Wonder about me all you want, for any number of reasons... but stick to the reasons that are actually based in fact.

As noted elsewhere, Jung is from Gunbuster. One can hope that she's toned down her act a little bit since she's signed on with Net23... but, well, at least the hyperspace trips are never dull. Or quiet. :)

(And the masterful way in which she "accidentally" piloted the Morning Sun almost into the path of that Foxbat's blaster shot, so that she could justify firing back at it, is an example of why UFme puts up with her on her insufferable days. ;)

--truss.