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Zemyla
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"Robots and Ghosts"
 
   Robots that have reached a certain degree of development indubitably have immortal souls; this is proven with the Spengler phenomenon, as well as the fact that there are robots in Valhalla. And we saw in The Revolution Will Be Televised that a human ghost can possess a non-human; I expect that it's a soul-to-soul thing, rather than a function of their meat.

My hypothesis is that sapient robots can be possessed, but they have to be intelligent enough that they could become free citizens by the standards of the Federation.

I call this the Church-Turing thesis.


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  RE: Robots and Ghosts MuninsFire Sep-28-20 1
     RE: Robots and Ghosts BlackAeronaut Sep-29-20 2
  RE: Robots and Ghosts Peter Eng Sep-29-20 3
     RE: Robots and Ghosts rwpikul Oct-04-20 6
         RE: Robots and Ghosts BlackAeronaut Oct-05-20 7
  RE: Robots and Ghosts Zemyla Oct-01-20 4
     RE: Robots and Ghosts MuninsFire Oct-01-20 5
  RE: Robots and Ghosts BZArchermoderator Oct-10-20 8

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MuninsFire
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1. "RE: Robots and Ghosts"
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   So theoretically, the whole ordeal with the Turing folks could be simplified drastically with the assistance of a friendly spirit capable of possessing such a being - if the being is capable of being possessed, it is sentient; ergo, give 'em the stamp and send 'em on their way.

--
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome
decree,
Where Alph, the sacred river,
ran
Through caverns measureless to
man
Down to a sunless sea


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BlackAeronaut
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73 posts		 Sep-29-20, 00:49 AM (EDT)
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2. "RE: Robots and Ghosts"
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   >So theoretically, the whole ordeal with the Turing folks could be
>simplified drastically with the assistance of a friendly spirit
>capable of possessing such a being - if the being is capable of being
>possessed, it is sentient; ergo, give 'em the stamp and send 'em on
>their way.

Eh, they'd still probably go through the whole rigmarole just because that's how you properly SCIENCE. But if that was a phenomena that was properly understood from a scientific standpoint, then yeah. That would become the big make-or-break part of the Turing Test.


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Peter Eng
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3. "RE: Robots and Ghosts"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-20 AT 01:12 AM (EDT)
 
>
>My hypothesis is that sapient robots can be possessed, but they
>have to be intelligent enough that they could become free citizens by
>the standards of the Federation.
>


One opposing position would logically be that the framework that technological sentients exist within may be incapable of supporting a biological sentient's spark, in the same way that it's impossible to run Holoshop For LINUX on a non-LINUX machine. There would be debate within this position on whether this is a universal constant, or if some sapient robots could be possessed, while others could not.

Peter Eng
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rwpikul
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6. "RE: Robots and Ghosts"
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   >>
>>My hypothesis is that sapient robots can be possessed, but they
>>have to be intelligent enough that they could become free citizens by
>>the standards of the Federation.
>>
>
>
>One opposing position would logically be that the framework that
>technological sentients exist within may be incapable of supporting a
>biological sentient's spark, in the same way that it's impossible to
>run Holoshop For LINUX on a non-LINUX machine. There would be debate
>within this position on whether this is a universal constant, or if
>some sapient robots could be possessed, while others could not.

Worse is the potential for some ghosts to be able to possess and animate otherwise inanimate objects. That creates an instant objection from the anti-synthetic life crowd that the Turing Institute is just using a poltergeist or something to fake their proof.

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Chakat Firepaw - Inventor & Scientist (Mad)


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BlackAeronaut
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7. "RE: Robots and Ghosts"
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   >>>
>>>My hypothesis is that sapient robots can be possessed, but they
>>>have to be intelligent enough that they could become free citizens by
>>>the standards of the Federation.
>>>
>>
>>
>>One opposing position would logically be that the framework that
>>technological sentients exist within may be incapable of supporting a
>>biological sentient's spark, in the same way that it's impossible to
>>run Holoshop For LINUX on a non-LINUX machine. There would be debate
>>within this position on whether this is a universal constant, or if
>>some sapient robots could be possessed, while others could not.
>
>Worse is the potential for some ghosts to be able to possess and
>animate otherwise inanimate objects. That creates an instant
>objection from the anti-synthetic life crowd that the Turing Institute
>is just using a poltergeist or something to fake their proof.

Ah yes. I believe "Poltergeist" is the correct term for such cases.


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Zemyla
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4. "RE: Robots and Ghosts"
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   Now I feel bad that there's actual discussion because it was a convoluted pun.


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MuninsFire
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5. "RE: Robots and Ghosts"
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   Well yes, but the discussion is fun ;-)

--
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome
decree,
Where Alph, the sacred river,
ran
Through caverns measureless to
man
Down to a sunless sea


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BZArchermoderator
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8. "RE: Robots and Ghosts"
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   What amazes me is you went all this way and nobody mentioned Starscream.

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"Life is change. Let’s live.”


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