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Gryphon
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"BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-10 AT 03:40 AM (EDT) Babylon Project Galactic Database Text Data Extraction Search: Jane's Fighting Starships Search criteria: IPS Normandy SEARCH COMPLETE: APRIL 4, 2410 IPO photo by Chad Collier
IPS Normandy (SR2) Overview IPS Normandy is an experimental starship combining elements of the International Police Space Force's Next Generation Warship program with tried-and-true Salusian shipbuilding techniques, intended to fill a niche left unaddressed by the Defiant and Steamrunner classes. Name/Model: Normandy class (Mark II) Manufacturer: Royal Saenar Fleet Systems, Ltd. Combat designation: Stealth reconnaissance frigate (SR) Entered service: Expected June 2410 Crew: 40 Length: 720 ft. Mass: 275 Kt Power system: International Police Yards microsingularity core RSFS Mark LXXVI fusion reactor Propulsion system: IPY Tantalus Mk IV gravity gradient drive 4x RSFS Mark XCVII fusion impulse thrusters Speed rating: 100 MGLT Flight control system: IP Tech Div/Haanatuvu Meltrandi Arsenal Inertia Vector® maneuver system Maneuver rating: 50 DPF Navigation: British-AnimeTech Model 2195 superluminal isolinear computer core FTL: IPY Tantalus Mk IV gravity gradient drive Warp speed rating (cruise): Warp Factor 10 Warp speed rating (flank): Warp Factor 15.75 Secondary FTP: RSFS Mark MXCV motivator drive unit (hyperdrive) Hyperdrive rating: .4 Shields: QuarTech Cyclonic Barrier® multicore projective deflector shield system Shield rating: [CLASSIFIED] Armor: Stark Industries Silaris® carbon/alloy composite plating Armor rating: [CLASSIFIED] ARMAMENT Fixed armaments: Palaven Heavy Industries Thanix Magnetohydrodynamic Weapon 2x WDF Armory G-950 multifocal phaser arrays 2x WDF Armory P-112 point phaser arrays Expendable armaments: 2x WDF Armory Mk VII photon torpedo launchers AEROSPACE COMPLEMENT ExoSalusia UT-47 Kodiak drop shuttle TACTICAL COMPLEMENT ExoSalusia M35 Mako cavalry fighting vehicle Ares Corporation Landmaster hostile environment exploration vehicle History In 2275, the Wedge Defense Force requested proposals a new type of light starship. The operating spec for the vessel called for a ship no bigger than 500 feet long, utilizing the latest starship automation technologies to reduce the required crew size as much as possible, and equipped with the Internal Emission Sink passive stealth system originally developed at Utopia Planitia Naval Shipyard for the Royal Salusian Navy's Barghest-class destroyers. The new ships were intended to supplement, and if successful eventually replace, the active-stealth Vigil-class scouts then employed by the WDF's Reconnaissance Command, as part of a planned force buildup that would have seen the WDF expand to a full fleet-level operation by the year 2310. The winning proposal, filed by the firm of Royal Saenar Fleet Systems, Ltd., of Salusia, led to the commissioning in 2280 of a prototype vessel, WDF Normandy (SR-1), which was put in the hands of Commander Virginia E. Shepard for an exhaustive practical testing period. The experimental ship performed well in trials, and the WDF was prepared to order further examples and begin the fleet expansion program when the organization disbanded following the coordinated GENOM Corporation attack codenamed Operation Götterdämmerung. The Normandy was destroyed in that attack. In 2406, Commander Shepard joined the International Police Organization as one of the Experts of Justice. (How she survived the Normandy's destruction and where she's been since are not matters of public record.) Over the next several years, she searched the galaxy for surviving members of the Normandy's crew, assembling them (and a few new people she recruited along the way) into a Special Assignment team. By 2408, it had become clear that she would require a larger starship than the CR90-class corvette she'd been using in order to provide the team with a proper mobile base of operations. IPO Chief Benjamin Hutchins considered several options, including assigning Shepard to the command of a Defiant- or Steamrunner-class destroyer detached into the Space Force's Irregular Projects Division, before settling on the construction of a wholly new vessel, tailored specifically to the strengths and talents of Shepard and her team. Since the IP Yards and their prime contractor, Kanzaki Heavy Industries of Ishiyama, were both working to capacity building the Next Generation Destroyers and developing Project Surprise, the job went to the WDF Normandy's builders, Royal Saenar. RSFS's engineers dusted off the 2280 Normandy spec documents and revised them heavily, with a good deal of technological cross-pollination from the DDNG projects and Royal Saenar's other IPSF contract, the refurbishment of the spacecraft carrier Prometheus, then well underway. The result was a vessel that was roughly 50% larger than the original and different in many respects, but with an instantly recognizable common profile. Other names were considered for the new class, including Kadesh, Zeta Cygni, and Elysium, but in the end sentimentality prevailed and the new ship was named, like the original, Normandy. ANALYSIS IPS Normandy SR2 represents a fusion of tried-and-true Salusian shipwrighting principles and the Zetan overtechnologies developed for the IPO's Next Generation Warship initiative, along with several newly developed systems sourced from the IPO's technological development arm and several of its partners around the galaxy. Fast, maneuverable, and heavily armed for her size, the Normandy possesses excellent passive stealth capabilities thanks to her Internal Emission Sink system and experimental gravity-gradient drive technology. The Tantalus gravity gradient drive system is the centerpiece of the Normandy's arrangement of beyond-bleeding-edge technologies. It's a multifunction system that manipulates gravitation to produce several different effects. In one mode, it can be used for sublight maneuvering by creating gravity vectors the vessel "falls" toward, enabling the Normandy to move without using her conventional fusion drive thrusters, which would tend to spoil the ship's stealth capabilities. In another, it creates a Cochrane space distortion field, enabling faster-than-light travel (standing in for a conventional "warp drive"). It may have other functions that remain classified. The ship's offensive and defensive systems are similarly advanced. The Normandy's deflector shields are based on the quarian development company QuarTech's proprietary Cyclonic Barrier Technology, making them more efficient and capable than conventional systems installed on ships of comparable size. Should they be overcome, the vessel is armored with Stark Industries Silaris tritanium alloy/carbon composite plating - the same material which makes up the outer shells of the famous Iron Man and War Machine battle suits. As to weapons, the Normandy mounts one of the most powerful offensive arrays to be found on a vessel of her size. Her batteries of conventional and multifocal phasers, along with a pair of the IPO's very capable Mark VII photon torpedo tubes, would give her the punch of a Defiant-class destroyer by themselves, but on top of those, she is equipped with a turian-designed superweapon, the Palaven Heavy Industries Thanix magnetohydrodynamic cannon. The precise workings of this remarkably destructive device are a closely guarded trade secret, but its makers have noted that it is only found on the heaviest of turian warships. Its presence in the Normandy's arsenal is only made possible by the tremendous output of the Tantalus system's microsingularity generator core. (As an aside, thanix is a Palavese word with no direct translation to Standard; it is an interjection of astonishment or fear, considered slightly profane, and was supposedly applied to the weapon because one of the Turian Hierarchy Defense Force officers present at the prototype's first test firing uttered it upon seeing what the weapon could do.) The Normandy is able to function with a relatively small crew thanks to the extensive use of automation and control software developed by a team of QuarTech and IPY engineers for the DDNG project. The ship is also equipped with an RSFS machine intelligence bay, similar to those found aboard the company's Andromeda- and Arcadia-class battleships, but to date there have been no reports of any AI core being installed. If such a system were to be put in place, it would presumably be a HalOS module like those found on the larger combatants of the Royal Salusian Navy. CRITICISM It's difficult to know how well the various technological advances - and in some cases outright gambles - embodied by the Normandy's unique brew of starship technologies will work until the vessel has completed her trials and entered service. It seems obvious on paper that the ship will be extremely capable, but the experimental drive core and energy systems, as well as the oversized weapons, may cause problems. Some authorities predict that, though rated engine core output is sufficient to power the Thanix Cannon, the ship's energy management systems won't be able to cope with the strain, and others say that equipping a ship designed for stealth and speed with such heavy armaments is a classic case of the IPSF not knowing what it's trying to do with its ships. Moreover, passive stealth is considered passé in most modern schools of tactical thought. However, all these concerns are merely conjectural until such time as the Normandy is in service. What is clear from the ship's documented capabilities is that, though the DDNG-derived control systems may reduce manpower requirements, the Normandy will not be a forgiving vessel for an ill-prepared crew to operate. The helmsman, in particular, will need to be highly experienced, almost supernaturally talented, or both to extract anything like the ship's maximum performance from her overbuilt and complicated drive suite, and the engineering and armory staff will need to be similarly elite to discharge their responsibilities without disastrous consequences. Without more knowledge of the IPSF's intentions regarding the ship's complement, predicting whether that will happen is impossible. At any rate, owing to the extremely specialized, custom-tailored nature of the project, it seems unlikely that there will ever be more than one Normandy-class frigate constructed, at least to these specifications. Whether a watered-down edition, more amenable to regular fleet service, might be produced is difficult to say, though since such a ship would probably be less capable than a Defiant-class destroyer (to say nothing of the planned Surprise-class Next Generation Frigate), that also seems unlikely at this time. DISPOSITION The sole ship planned for this class, IPS Normandy SR2, is currently undergoing fleet acceptance trials under the direction of the Chief Engineer of the Fleet, Captain Nadia Davion, and RSFS's Master Shipwright of the Yard, Sir Hanwald Travis, at the Royal Navy's proving ground in the outer Salu system. If all goes well, she is expected to enter service by early June. End of Text Data Extract thank you for using the Babylon Project Galactic Database |
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Gryphon
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Apr-03-10, 08:46 PM (EDT) |
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7. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>Well damn. For such a well-funded organization, Cerberus seems to >farm a lot of stuff out to the lowest bidder. "Our budget's been cut again? What the hell is the Illusive Man doing?" "My money's on cloning experiments. He plans to replace us all with copies of Lawson." "... Hey, apart from us getting fired for redundancy, that wouldn't suck." "Shut up." --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Matrix Dragon
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Apr-03-10, 09:24 PM (EDT) |
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8. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>I happen to appreciate the Mako. Besides, it's better than the >hilariously fragile, even less controllable alternative with its >cannon that doesn't aim right and no machinegun. The Mako just needed better suspension. The Hammerhead needs armor, a proper turret, a machine gun, rockets that go where you freaking aim it, and the ability to tank shock Geth. The Mako wins. Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter |
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SliderDaFeral
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Apr-04-10, 02:23 AM (EDT) |
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20. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>>I happen to appreciate the Mako. Besides, it's better than the >>hilariously fragile, even less controllable alternative with its >>cannon that doesn't aim right and no machinegun. > >The Mako just needed better suspension. The Hammerhead needs armor, a >proper turret, a machine gun, rockets that go where you freaking aim >it, and the ability to tank shock Geth. > >The Mako wins. > >Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter Picking up another likening from an earlier thread: She blinds everybody with her super high-beam She's a merc-squashin' geth-smackin' drivin' machine! CANYONEROOOOOOOOOO... -- Slider Da Feral |
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A Vile Gangster
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Apr-04-10, 00:16 AM (EDT) |
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13. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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I fuckin' LOL'd. I also had the same reaction. damn, Chief, there'r better options out there! I do have to concede to your point about the armament though. ---- Now Playing: Seal -- System(System, 2007)
We're just trying to beat the system, But it's hard from a distance. We keep falling for the system, So it's time for a new better way! < THIS SPACE FOR RENT > |
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A Vile Gangster
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Apr-04-10, 01:10 AM (EDT) |
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17. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>I'd really rather not have the whole thread turn into "BPGD: IPS >Normandy's Mako-class CFV", but seriously, why so much hate? The >buggy's never let me down. And it's frickin' invincible. Go to the >SR1 crash site and look. It's got a flat tire. It fell from >orbit when the ship it was parked aboard was blown to ratshit >by an alien super-duper deathbeam thingy and it has a flat >tire. I want that shit in my parking space. I'm just sayin'. :) Okay, okay, dammit. You've got a valid point. It's positively Warthoggian in it's ability to ignore damage. I just wish it didn't handle like it had tyres made of goddam marshmallows! ---- Now Playing: DEADSY -- Mansion World (Commencement, 2002) On a Mansion World, the roles reverse-A slave becomes a master. On a Mansion World, the cells converse-And life moves a little faster. We will unify the universe-To arrive in the ever after In a Mansion World, I might like to know you. In New Urantia girl, everything's below you... < THIS SPACE FOR RENT > |
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Gryphon
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Apr-04-10, 03:41 AM (EDT) |
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21. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>I just wish it didn't >handle like it had tyres made of goddam marshmallows! (sigh) Okay, okay, fine. >TACTICAL COMPLEMENT >ExoSalusia M35 Mako cavalry fighting vehicle >Ares Corporation Landmaster hostile environment exploration vehicle There. Is everybody happy now? You don't have to take the Mako if you don't want to. Commander Shepard happens to like it. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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BeardedFerret
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Apr-04-10, 07:57 AM (EDT) |
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24. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-10 AT 07:57 AM (EDT) >(sigh) > >Okay, okay, fine. > >>TACTICAL COMPLEMENT >>ExoSalusia M35 Mako cavalry fighting vehicle >>Ares Corporation Landmaster hostile environment exploration vehicle > >There. Is everybody happy now? You don't have to take the Mako if >you don't want to. Commander Shepard happens to like it. Right. Now let's nitpick about the shuttle. (NOTE: The above was intended ironically and is not an invitation to nitpick about the bloody shuttle) Sorry that joke ran away a bit. I honestly don't have that big an issue with the Mako 99% of the time. It's those 1% moments that stuck with me, though. Poor old Mako was probably lonely in the massive hanger anyway. |
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CdrMike
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Apr-04-10, 04:10 AM (EDT) |
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22. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-10 AT 04:10 AM (EDT) >I'd really rather not have the whole thread turn into "BPGD: IPS >Normandy's Mako-class CFV", but seriously, why so much hate? The >buggy's never let me down. And it's frickin' invincible. Go to the >SR1 crash site and look. It's got a flat tire. It fell from >orbit when the ship it was parked aboard was blown to ratshit >by an alien super-duper deathbeam thingy and it has a flat >tire. I want that shit in my parking space. I'm just sayin'. :) IMHO, a lot of the hate is just due to overuse. Had they not required you to use the Mako on every single mission, there might be less hate towards it. I know I certainly had no real hate towards it after I got used to the controls. And one of the games real awesome moments involved the Mako, the Conduit, and two very unlucky Geth troopers. Nah, if there's anything I've reserved my hate for in ME and ME2, it's Husks. *grumble, mutter* -------------------------- CdrMike, FNG "This is all Joker's fault! What a tool he was! Now I have to spend all day computing pi because he plugged in the Overlord!" - Jeff "Joker" Moreau, Mass Effect 2 |
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Zox
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Apr-03-10, 11:59 PM (EDT) |
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12. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>And Kozue's busy with the Colonial Fleet, isn't she? True--although since the IPO does get people seconded to it from other services all the time, that's not an insurmountable obstacle. However, it's not just Kozue. Note that the other uber-hotshot pilot we know of, Max Sterling, also has blue hair. Therefore, reasoning from entirely inadequate data (something Gartner and other such consulting firms do with depressing regularity), it would be quite easy to conclude that blue hair is an indication of superior piloting ability. --- Rob Madson, a.k.a. Zox http://lordzox.com/ It is said a Shaolin chef can wok through walls... |
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BLUE
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Apr-05-10, 03:55 PM (EDT) |
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29. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>>And Kozue's busy with the Colonial Fleet, isn't she? > >True--although since the IPO does get people seconded to it from other >services all the time, that's not an insurmountable obstacle. > >However, it's not just Kozue. Note that the other uber-hotshot pilot >we know of, Max Sterling, also has blue hair. > >Therefore, reasoning from entirely inadequate data (something Gartner >and other such consulting firms do with depressing regularity), it >would be quite easy to conclude that blue hair is an indication of >superior piloting ability. Well, there's also a whole race of superior spacers in the UF-verse named the Abh that all have silver-to-blue hair, which might have some influence... -D- "I don't tell you how to remove bullets. Don't you tell me how to make killing machines back into little girls." Captain Kaff Tagon of Tagon's Toughs, Schlock Mercenary |
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A Vile Gangster
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Apr-04-10, 00:53 AM (EDT) |
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15. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>Other names were considered for the new class, including >Kadesh, Zeta Cygni, and Elysium, Hmm? Reference, please? this sounds really familiar. >(As an aside, thanix is a Palavese word with no direct >translation to Standard; it is an interjection of astonishment or >fear, considered slightly profane, and was supposedly applied to the >weapon because one of the Turian Hierarchy Defense Force officers >present at the prototype's first test firing uttered it upon seeing >what the weapon could do.)
Mwahahaha! Yeeeees, this is very agreeable. "Eat hot physics, you bastards!" >The Normandy is able to function with a relatively small crew >thanks to the extensive use of automation and control software >developed by a team of QuarTech and IPY engineers for the DDNG >project. The ship is also equipped with an RSFS machine intelligence >bay, similar to those found aboard the company's Andromeda- and >Arcadia-class battleships, but to date there have been no >reports of any AI core being installed. If such a system were to be >put in place, it would presumably be a HalOS module like those found >on the larger combatants of the Royal Salusian Navy.
Oh, boy. I bet this is gonna be a good one. UF-EDI could be...interesting. AIs tend to be, in this house. I wonder how deviated from cannon this will get. I'm just musing, mind you...No need to spoil the surprise. >Moreover, passive stealth is considered >passé in most modern schools of tactical thought. passé does *not* equal ineffective. >The helmsman, in particular, will need to be highly experienced, >almost supernaturally talented, or both to extract anything like the >ship's maximum performance from her overbuilt and complicated drive >suite, and the engineering and armory staff will need to be similarly >elite to discharge their responsibilities without disastrous consequences. Joker! JOOOOKERRRRR!!!!! ---- Now Playing: Yoko Kano & the Seatbelts /w Steve Conte -- Call Me, Call Me (Cowboy Bebop BLUE, 2001) I had your number quite some time ago, Back when we were young... But I had to go. Ten thousand years I've searched it seems and now, I've got to get to you, Won't you show me how? < THIS SPACE FOR RENT > |
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Gryphon
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Apr-04-10, 01:17 AM (EDT) |
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18. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-10 AT 04:49 AM (EDT) >>Other names were considered for the new class, including >>Kadesh, Zeta Cygni, and Elysium, They're the names of other famous battles in history, as Normandy is named for the Battle of Normandy in WWII. There have been two notable Battles of Zeta Cygni, one in the 1990s and one in 2388; RSFS was probably thinking of the second when they considered it for the SR2 prototype. The Battle of Elysium was where Virginia Shepard won both her knightoods, during the Covenant War. And the Battle of Kadesh was fought between Egyptian forces under Pharaoh Rameses II (aka Rameses the Great) and the Hittites circa 1274 BSC; exactly what happened there is a matter of some dispute among historians, with Egyptologists generally taking the view that Rameses spanked the Hittites, because that's what it says on his triumphal monuments to the battle, and others arguing that Rameses would naturally say he'd won a great victory on his own monuments, and that in fact he managed only a draw. (Some even contend that he lost but got away.) Regardless, it was significant enough that they made triumphal monuments, so it remains one of the best-known-of (if not best-understood) battles of that period. >"Eat hot physics, you bastards!" In the game, there's no particular definition given for the Thanix Cannon's name; that's just what it's called. I decided to take a page from our friends at Lamborghini, whose Countach was named after a similarly untranslatable bit of Italian slang supposedly blurted by a reporter at the mockup's unveiling (countach is roughly the equivalent of rrrowr!, or phwoar! for our English correspondents), and establish that in UF, at least, it is essentially the Holy Shit! Cannon. :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Matrix Dragon
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Apr-04-10, 05:18 AM (EDT) |
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23. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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> establish that in UF, at least, it is essentially the Holy Shit! Cannon. :) Given the size of the Collector ship compared to Normandy SR2, I found myself going 'Holy Shit YES!' when Joker got some much needed vengeance on that bastard in the rematch. Seriously, that moment was a thing of beauty, and should we be lucky enough to see Normandy in action (We've seen a teaser of Shepard on the ground in Symphony, but that doesn't promise her ship, except possibly in the context of the Makos ever wonderful high-altitude tank shock technique), we've got a nice mental picture to start from. Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter |
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A Vile Gangster
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Apr-04-10, 11:52 AM (EDT) |
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26. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-10 AT 11:55 AM (EDT) >And the Battle of Kadesh was fought between Egyptian forces under >Pharaoh Rameses II (aka Rameses the Great) and the Hittites >circa 1274 BSC; exactly what happened there is a matter of some >dispute among historians, with Egyptologists generally taking the view >that Rameses spanked the Hittites, because that's what it says on his >triumphal monuments to the battle, and others arguing that Rameses >would naturally say he'd won a great victory on his own >monuments, and that in fact he managed only a draw. (Some even >contend that he lost but got away.) Regardless, it was significant >enough that they made triumphal monuments, so it remains one of >the best-known-of (if not best-understood) battles of that period. Thanks! >In the game, there's no particular definition given for the Thanix >Cannon's name; that's just what it's called. I decided to take a page >from our friends at Lamborghini, whose Countach was named after a >similarly untranslatable bit of Italian slang supposedly blurted by a >reporter at the mockup's unveiling (countach is roughly the >equivalent of rrrowr!, or phwoar! for our English >correspondents), and establish that in UF, at least, it is essentially >the Holy Shit! Cannon. :)
I know, right? Fear the physics gun. You cannot defend against what you cannot define. EDIT: Also, I like thanix as a Turian swearword. It's very..."Them" ---- Now Playing: Faith No More -- From Out of Nowhere(The Real Thing, 1989) Tossed into my mind, stirring the calm You splash me with beauty and pull me down Cause' you come from out of nowhere My glance turns to a stare... < THIS SPACE FOR RENT > |
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Matrix Dragon
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Apr-04-10, 00:55 AM (EDT) |
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16. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-10 AT 02:32 AM (EDT) I just love that passive stealth is so passé. I mean, it's not like this unique, one of a kind ship is being commanded by a woman with years of experience in using such systems to their best potential, or a master of the art of speaking softly and carrying a big stick... oh wait :)I suspect the first time someone mocks the Normandys stealth systems when going up against her, they'll discover it parked behind them when it opens up with the Thanix :lol EDIT: I should also note, that's a damn nice job Chad did with that image. Nice touch getting rid of all the Cerberus gold. Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter |
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Arashi
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Apr-04-10, 02:13 AM (EDT) |
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19. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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Normandy's the sniper of the IPO-SF fleet I suppose. Let's see... Who's dumb enough to pick a fight with a stealth capable ship wielding a weapon essentially named the Holy S*** Cannon? Yeah, I can name six off the top of my head... UF-verse has a lot of Darwin Award winners waiting to get their prizes. Though she wouldn't have a place on Normandy (no ten forward like place I'd guess.) I really hope to see Aethyta (the Asari matriarch bartender) make and appearance. When in Danger, or in Doubt. Run in circles, scream and shout. |
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A Vile Gangster
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Apr-06-10, 09:14 PM (EDT) |
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33. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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I happen to think their Quixotic proclivities are some of the more endearing character traits they possess. Kinda David Webber-ian in that respect. OF COURSE the bad guys are making a mistake that's going to cost them! It's only a matter of time. Shit, if I had to pick an avatar for this sandbox, it would probably be amongst their ranks! I'm thinking Dick Dastardly, but with much better fashion sense and approximately the same level of FAIL. Muttley included. C'mon, every villain should have a mangy dog with a sinister laugh for a sidekick. Drat!! *Double* Drat!! ---- Now Playing: Pendulum -- Spiral(Single CDR, 2007) We spiral down, No one can save you now. We slide away, No one can bring you down... < THIS SPACE FOR RENT > |
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Gryphon
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Apr-06-10, 09:52 PM (EDT) |
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34. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>Shit, if I had to pick an avatar for this sandbox, it would probably >be amongst their ranks! I'm thinking Dick Dastardly, but with much >better fashion sense and approximately the same level of FAIL. >Muttley included. C'mon, every villain should have a mangy dog with a >sinister laugh for a sidekick. I have, more than once, been accused of an inability to portray any villain possessed of more sophisticated motivations or personality than Snidely Whiplash, and I suppose there may be something to that. It's difficult for me to present a true villain as a reasonable, rational being, because to my mind, reasonable, rational beings would be good guys. When you take that off the table, you're left mainly with mustache-twirlers and outright maniacs. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Zox
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Apr-06-10, 10:22 PM (EDT) |
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35. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>I have, more than once, been accused of an inability to portray any >villain possessed of more sophisticated motivations or personality >than Snidely Whiplash, and I suppose there may be something to that. >It's difficult for me to present a true villain as a reasonable, >rational being, because to my mind, reasonable, rational beings would >be good guys. When you take that off the table, you're left mainly >with mustache-twirlers and outright maniacs. I think that's entirely too harsh of an assessment of your writing, personally. To my mind, the way to create an intelligent, rational villain is to have him base his actions on a plausible wordview, that just happens to not correspond with that of other people. Sara's ex-boyfriend Vincent is a good example of where you've done exactly that. From CSI New Avalon: Parallel Lines: He spoke for ten minutes in a low, calm, but urgent voice, outlining his view of the universe. It was a view in which the Salusian people, once the rightful masters of the galaxy, had been toppled from within by an illegitimate ruler who was nothing but a pawn of humanity - an unsavory upstart race of dubious antecedents and neligible accomplishments who had exploited the weak-willed scion of vile King Jerka to make the Salusians their unwitting slaves.He told his story with such calm, such utter conviction, and such empathy that Sara almost found herself wondering at times whether he might have a point. Now if Vincent had simply sat around whining about the decayed state of his people, he would have been a sad, possibly tragic, maybe sympathetic character. If he'd done something positive to restore Salusia to greatness, he could have been a hero. But since he chose to destroy others rather than elevate himself, he set himself on the path to villainy. --- Rob Madson, a.k.a. Zox http://lordzox.com/ It is said a Shaolin chef can wok through walls... |
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Astynax
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Apr-06-10, 10:56 PM (EDT) |
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36. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>I have, more than once, been accused of an inability to portray any >villain possessed of more sophisticated motivations or personality >than Snidely Whiplash, and I suppose there may be something to that. >It's difficult for me to present a true villain as a reasonable, >rational being, because to my mind, reasonable, rational beings would >be good guys. When you take that off the table, you're left mainly >with mustache-twirlers and outright maniacs. >Well, the issue comes down to the genre. UF is a space opera, and while there are some shades of gray (a few heroic Sith, redeemed or at least mellowed versions of Dr. Doom and Magneto, likely a number of others whose names currently escape me,) it tends to have a bit more clear of a divide between its angels and demons. If I've parsed the various posts that give insight in the minds and motives of the UF author pool at large, it is a universe that is meant to be a better world, and part of that is having an easier time of knowing who the good guys and bad guys are. In real life, it is often hard, and sometimes impossible, to know who to root for... and that's just no fun.
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jhosmer1
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Apr-07-10, 08:58 AM (EDT) |
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41. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>I have, more than once, been accused of an inability to portray any >villain possessed of more sophisticated motivations or personality >than Snidely Whiplash, and I suppose there may be something to that. >It's difficult for me to present a true villain as a reasonable, >rational being, because to my mind, reasonable, rational beings would >be good guys. When you take that off the table, you're left mainly >with mustache-twirlers and outright maniacs. I rather liked the villains in "Star-Crossed." While the Blue Suns leader was the froth-at-the-mouth type, his second was pretty laid-back. I loved the chemistry between them. I got the vibe that they had been partners a long time because their personalities worked well together to run a mercenary outfit/crime syndicate. It was a refreshing break from "the Starscream" trope. |
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A Vile Gangster
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Apr-07-10, 00:08 AM (EDT) |
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39. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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Yeagh! too many replies! Anyways, Like the dudes above me, I think you're doing yourself a disservice. I think you've got just about the right-sized hammer for the job, considering you've got villains of any stripe for any given group of heroes. I mean, SURTUR, ferchrissakes. You portrayed big-n-burning every bit as badass as he should be. I also enjoyed your Akio, as I think you took his ghoulish insanity to it's glorious extreme. You also gave the Sith honor and BALLS, which is fucking refreshing, and "M-Anakin" Skywalker doesn't wear eyeliner here. If anything, I think there's not enough part-timers that aren't faceless minions, which is where the Dastardly and Muttley thing came from. In a universe of powered supervillains, folks tend to overlook your humble career burglars / Professional troublemakers. Yeah, it's a small niche, but hey, it's trade... ---- Now Playing: Band -- Turn On The Music (Single CDR, 2005)Well I've been waiting - long enough, "Hey DJ, please, won't you turn it up?" Wanna feel that bass, yeah, 'cause I get a rush, And when it comes, I can't get enough! < THIS SPACE FOR RENT > |
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Peter Eng
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Apr-07-10, 00:02 AM (EDT) |
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38. "RE: BPGD: IPS Normandy"
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>Who's dumb enough to pick a fight with a stealth capable ship >wielding a weapon essentially named the Holy S*** Cannon? Nobody is. Nobody picks a fight with the Normandy. They just pick a fight with the IPO, and are startled when their ship is split down the middle. Peter Eng -- Insert humorous comment here. |
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