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"Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
 
   In The End of the Tour, one of the Illogics makes a remark about his being "now available at Cargo Six!"

Cargo Six is a chain of discount/close-out stores found throughout the Federation. They're the sort of place where you can never be quite sure what they're going to have, but whatever it is, they'll have a couple hundred of them and they'll be dirt cheap. They sell stock from closed-out warehouses, the undamaged salvage from fires and freighter crashes, auctioned-off recovered stuff from hijacked starships, that kind of thing. Their ads always feature bold announcements that $WHATEVER is Now Available at Cargo Six.

The underlying reference, naturally, is to the overhead PA announcement in the Enterprise cargo bay during the scene in which Admiral Kirk has just arrived aboard at the beginning of Star Trek: The Motion Picture. In the revised director's cut now out on DVD, all the sound effects and the PA voice have been changed (and generally not for the better, IMO, though the actual cut of the movie is far superior to the original VHS release). In the original version, which I watched far too many times in my younger days, the computer voice can be heard droning in the background, "Attention launch crews: a travel pod is now available at Cargo Six. Travel pod available, Cargo Six."

And now you know... the rest of the story.

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  RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: zwol Oct-22-06 1
     RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: Gryphonadmin Oct-22-06 2
         RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: zwol Oct-23-06 3
  RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: Croaker Oct-23-06 4
  RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: Peter Eng Oct-23-06 5
     RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: Gryphonadmin Oct-23-06 6
         RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: pjmoyermoderator Oct-23-06 7
         RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: Ardaniel Oct-23-06 8
             RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: SneakyPete Oct-24-06 10
                 RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: Ardaniel Oct-24-06 11
                     RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: Moonsword Oct-24-06 12
         RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: BobSchroeck Oct-23-06 9
  RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: BLUE Oct-24-06 13
  RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: JeanneHedge Oct-29-06 14
     RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: Gryphonadmin Oct-29-06 15
         RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: JeanneHedge Oct-29-06 16
         RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: BlackAeronaut Oct-30-06 17
             RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: Gryphonadmin Oct-30-06 18
         RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained: StClair Nov-07-06 19

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zwol
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1. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   Huh. I totally thought Cargo Six was the name of the room they were all in when he said that. (I.e. I figured the band had taken over one of the Defiant's cargo bays for practice space.)


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2. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   >Huh. I totally thought Cargo Six was the name of the room they were
>all in when he said that. (I.e. I figured the band had taken over one
>of the Defiant's cargo bays for practice space.)

Heh. No, they were at MacCready's Burgers & Chili in New Avalon when he said that. :)

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3. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   > Heh. No, they were at MacCready's Burgers & Chili in New Avalon when he said that. :)

Serve me right for not rereading the story before shooting my mouth off.


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4. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   That scene (and the supposed lameness of the line) make SO much more sense now...

Thanks.

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5. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   >In The End of the Tour, one of the Illogics makes a remark
>about his being "now available at Cargo Six!"
>
>Cargo Six is a chain of discount/close-out stores found throughout the
>Federation. They sell stock
>from closed-out warehouses, the undamaged salvage from fires and
>freighter crashes, auctioned-off recovered stuff from hijacked
>starships, that kind of thing.
>

So Cargo Six is a cousin to today's ninety-nine cent stores?

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6. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   >So Cargo Six is a cousin to today's ninety-nine cent stores?

Not quite. It's much more eclectic and weird than "Blah For a Dollar"-type places, and has stuff across a much wider price range. The only common factors in their stock are that they're cheaper than you'd expect for what they are, and that they often don't have much of anything to do with the stuff right next to them. You'd be as likely to find a 10-by-30 remnant of that hideous casino lobby carpet from the acid-freakout scene in Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas next to a stack of KitchenAid mixers, and maybe a hundred remaindered copies of Sweet Jesus I Hate Bill O'Reilly next to that.

Real-world analogs I can think of offhand include Marden's and Building 19, but I think both of those are New England regional things, so those of you outside the area may not be all that enlightened by that.

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7. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   >>So Cargo Six is a cousin to today's ninety-nine cent stores?

>Real-world analogs I can think of offhand include
>Marden's and Building 19, but I think both of those are New England regional things, so those of you outside the area may not be all that enlightened by that.

Tuesday Morning would be another analog, which is spread out among the lower 48, I think. Somewhat disorganized, no garuntees on what may well be in stock, but if you time things right you can get some damn good deals when other places let go of their inventory and hand it over to Tuesday Morning.

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8. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   Those of you who've been in and around Kansas City, MO might also know of Cargo Largo, which spawned a Northern California outpost for about two years that we dubbed "the GENOM Outlet."

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10. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   >Those of you who've been in and around Kansas City, MO might also know
>of Cargo Largo, which spawned a Northern California outpost for about
>two years that we dubbed "the GENOM Outlet."

Also "Big Lots" across the Midwest.


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11. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   Ah, yes, BIG! LOTS! We have them here in CA, too, although they're not as much fun as Cargo Largo. More of a depressing vibe to ours.

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12. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   They're around in Georgia, too. No idea whether they're fun or not, since I don't generally shop in there.


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9. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-24-06 AT 01:07 AM (EDT) by Wedge (moderator)
 
>Real-world analogs I can think of offhand include
>Marden's and Building 19,
>but I think both of those are New England regional things, so
>those of you outside the area may not be all that enlightened by that.

Ah. Like Odd-Job Trading in the NYC area and south... Gotcha.

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13. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   Sounds to me like an outlet mall all crammed into one store. :)

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14. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-29-06 AT 09:22 PM (EST)
 
>The underlying reference, naturally, is to the overhead PA
>announcement in the Enterprise cargo bay during the scene in
>which Admiral Kirk has just arrived aboard at the beginning of Star
>Trek: The Motion Picture
. In the revised director's cut now out
>on DVD, all the sound effects and the PA voice have been changed (and
>generally not for the better, IMO, though the actual cut of the movie
>is far superior to the original VHS release).

(picking the OT part to ask about)
When did this director's cut come out? Any idea who was the director responsible for it? IIRC, Robert Wise died over a year ago.


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15. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   >When did this director's cut come out? Any idea who was the director
>responsible for it? IIRC, Robert Wise died over a year ago.

Er, several years ago; hang on, lemme go have a look at the box.

Here we go. Star Trek: The Motion Picture (The Director's Edition) - street date Nov. 6, 2001. IIRC, it kicked off Paramount's two-disc special edition reissues of all the Star Trek movies, which concluded with the special edition reissue of Nemesis last year.

As such, the director responsible was the man himself, Robert Wise, who finally got a chance to go back and recut the movie he was forced to finish in such an almighty hurry in 1979 that whole effects sequences were dropped untrimmed into the final print, just as they had arrived from the effects studios. It also includes a few new effects shots - mainly visuals from the exterior of V'ger that were storyboarded but couldn't be realized with the technology of 1979, at least not in the time available - and a new sound mix.

Alas, I disagree with many of the choices Mr. Wise made regarding the sound effects used in the new mix, but that may simply be because I saw the original version so many times that the sound effects it shipped with in '79 are permanent parts of my mental landscape now. The rest of the package, though, is fantastic.

Other features of the set:

- Commentary by Wise, photographic effects director Douglas Trumbull, effects supervisor John Dykstra (also of Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica fame), composer Jerry Goldsmith, and Stephen "Will Decker" Collins;

- Text commentary (i.e., pithy subtitles) by Michael Okuda, describing various geeky features of the film (like who made the globe of Jupiter used in the shot where the Enterprise is speeding out of the solar system) - this feature went on to be one of the signature features of the two-disc Trek reissues;

- A documentary about Star Trek: Phase II, the television series revival project that eventually became Star Trek: The Motion Picture;

- Documentaries about the making of the Director's Edition;

- Several deleted scenes from both the 1979 theatrical and 1983 television versions (including the infamous "unfinished effects" shot of Captain Kirk outside the soundstage, er, Enterprise); and

- All the usual stuff - old TV ads, the trailers for the movie, a promo for Enterprise (which hadn't started airing on UPN yet when the DVD came out), etc.

It's a helluva package, and well worth the 11 zorkmids plus handling Amazon wants for it, IMO.

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16. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   >>When did this director's cut come out? Any idea who was the director
>>responsible for it? IIRC, Robert Wise died over a year ago.
>
>Er, several years ago; hang on, lemme go have a look at the box.
>
>Here we go.
>Star Trek: The Motion Picture (The Director's Edition) - street date
>Nov. 6, 2001. IIRC, it kicked off Paramount's two-disc special
>edition reissues of all the Star Trek movies, which concluded
>with the special edition reissue of Nemesis last year.

<snippage>

>It's a helluva package, and well worth the 11 zorkmids plus handling
>Amazon wants for it, IMO.

Thanks much. For some weird reason I read your original message as saying that this was something new. (by now we all know that re-re-re-issues are fairly standard, and not just for movies either - ADV has been re-re-re-issuing Farscape since before it was cancelled)


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17. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   >It's a helluva package, and well worth the 11 zorkmids plus handling
>Amazon wants for it, IMO.

Cool! I'll have to see about picking it up then. Do you know anything about those two-disc special edition reissues they're doing? As in, would you recomend the others as well?


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18. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-30-06 AT 12:50 PM (EST)
 
>Cool! I'll have to see about picking it up then. Do you know
>anything about those two-disc special edition reissues they're doing?
>As in, would you recomend the others as well?

I have the first few. Generally speaking, if the movie's worth picking up in the first place, you might as well get the two-disc edition of it.

--G.
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19. "RE: Things I'm not sure I ever explained:"
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   This seems like as good a place as any to drop in a bit of studio joking from the old days, which I happened to be thinking about this evening.

Z-Gryphon: <"V'ger calls to the Creator! Why is the Creator blowing V'ger off?! V'ger busted his ASS to get this information for the Creator! The least the Creator could do is pick up the fucking phone!">


(And like Gryph, I prefer the old sound fx. Fortunately, that's what I've got the VHS release for.)


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