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"Celestial politics and other sad stories"
 
   >I can't see her rising through the ranks quite this swiftly...
>
>The Seraphim Council is really something of an Old Boy's Club, [etc.]

Celestial politics don't work quite the same way in the world of NXE, but it's important to remember that Rachael is a very young angel without much of a power base. She did some impressive things in Apotheosis Now, but the most impressive one was only possible because she had three Archangels backing her up; if they hadn't been willing to answer her call, they wouldn't've come. She's not much more powerful than a starting player-character angel would be in In Nomine.

Reilael, with her newly awarded Word (and probably at least one distinction to follow once the paperwork is finished), would hold somewhere between 15 and 20 Forces at movie's end. She'd be a much more likely candidate to be elevated to Archangel status - and she's a long, long way from ever getting there.

Mind you, all this assumes that the process follows its usual slow progression. The Lord has been known to do some pretty off-the-wall things by fiat, and I won't say I can't see Him doing something like elevating a random nobody angel to the Seraphim Council just to put the cat among the pigeons - but not without a much more solid background reason.

Anyway, all of this overlooks one very important fact: The Word of the Sword is not vacant. Laurence still exists, and is still bound to his Word; he's just going to be... um... out of the office for a while.

His absence does leave a vacancy on the Seraphim Council, but that will be taken care of in due time. They still have a quorum, as evidenced by the fact that they were able to tackle other business after Laurence left.

As for the army of God's soldiers on Earth, well, they did a bang-up job handling this crisis under centralized Archangel leadership, didn't they? Nowhere to be seen, and a couple of angels everybody thought were dead had to round up a Nephallite, a human experiment in celestial engineering, the Eternal, and... whatever Asuka is... to handle the biggest crisis to hit the War since the War. I think that whole system is going to be re-examined in detail, since its biggest flaw has just been pointed out: If the Archangel charged with leading the army is involved in the conspiracy, the army doesn't do squat about the problems the conspiracy creates.

(Speaking of Asuka, I'm a bit surprised nobody's asked what she is, since everybody else who ever drove an EVA seems to have something at least a little odd going on.)

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  RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Berk 05-18-03 1
  RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Logan_D_alt 05-18-03 2
     RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Gryphonadmin 05-18-03 4
         RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories TheOne 05-19-03 14
  RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Verbena 05-18-03 3
     RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Berk 05-18-03 5
         RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Gryphonadmin 05-18-03 6
             RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Berk 05-18-03 7
                 RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Pseudo Angel 05-19-03 8
                     RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories drakensisthered 05-19-03 9
                         RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Matrix Dragon 05-19-03 10
                             RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Berk 05-19-03 12
                                 RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories BobSchroeck 05-19-03 22
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         RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Berk 05-19-03 20
         RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories TheOne 05-19-03 21
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                 RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Redneckteam 05-19-03 25
                     RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories Berk 05-20-03 27
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1. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >(Speaking of Asuka, I'm a bit surprised nobody's asked what she
>is, since everybody else who ever drove an EVA seems to have something
>at least a little odd going on.)

I'd have figured she was a human with one extra Force. A Soldier.

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2. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >(Speaking of Asuka, I'm a bit surprised nobody's asked what she
>is, since everybody else who ever drove an EVA seems to have something
>at least a little odd going on.)

I just thought she had some particularly potent Grigori heritage myself. Not as stong or direct as Shinji, but very much there. Are you implying there's more to it than that?

For now, what is obvious is that she is not quite human in the same sense that DJ isn't. Both of their original bodies are gone, replaced by vessels created for them by the Archangel of Light, Lucifer.


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4. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >>(Speaking of Asuka, I'm a bit surprised nobody's asked what she
>>is, since everybody else who ever drove an EVA seems to have something
>>at least a little odd going on.)
>
>I just thought she had some particularly potent Grigori heritage
>myself. Not as stong or direct as Shinji, but very much there. Are you
>implying there's more to it than that?

No; less. Asuka has no celestial heritage whatever. And that, in itself, is what makes her so remarkable.

Asuka is the only normal human who can operate an Evangelion.

Look at the record.

First Child, Rei Ayanami: An Earthbound angel.
Third Child, Shinji Ikari: A Nephallite.
Fourth Child, Jon Ellison: Celestial hybrid, mostly infernal.
Fifth Child, DJ Croft: Current incarnation of Saint Longinus, who can master any weapon.

Others who have piloted EVAs:

The Ellison brothers: Same as Jon.
The Ayanami sisters: Fallen clones of Rei (Djinn).
Tabris: At the time he activated an EVA, he was a Habbalite (Fallen Elohite).

Everyone there has some touch of the celestial. Just having the extra Force that gives a Soldier of God her sensitivity to the Symphony isn't enough, or there would have been dozens, maybe hundreds of EVA pilots available to NERV, assuming the Marduk screening was administered to a decent percentage of the world's remaining population.

So you see, in a way, Asuka is the most distinctive ("unique" is an absolute, there are no degrees of uniqueness) of the Children of Project Evangelion. All the rest of them had been touched by the celestial (or infernal) before they began their careers as EVA pilots; they're all in some way aberrant. Asuka is not. Her special factor is innate and independent from the fact that she's a six-Force human.

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14. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >Third Child, Shinji Ikari: A Nephallite.

This raised something particularly unimportant, but that hasn't stopped bugging me: Yui Ikari was a Grigori or Nephallite? Just something I'd like to have settled so my brain will let me work.

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3. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >>I can't see her rising through the ranks quite this swiftly...
>>
>>The Seraphim Council is really something of an Old Boy's Club, [etc.]
>
>Celestial politics don't work quite the same way in the world of
>NXE, but it's important to remember that Rachael is a very
>young angel without much of a power base. She did some impressive
>things in Apotheosis Now, but the most impressive one was only
>possible because she had three Archangels backing her up; if they
>hadn't been willing to answer her call, they wouldn't've come. She's
>not much more powerful than a starting player-character angel would be
>in In Nomine.

*grin* Sounds cool. Someday, when you have time and creativity on your hands, I'll have to ask what kind of neat trick Malakim of Light get to do.

>
>Reilael, with her newly awarded Word (and probably at least one
>distinction to follow once the paperwork is finished), would hold
>somewhere between 15 and 20 Forces at movie's end. She'd be a much
>more likely candidate to be elevated to Archangel status - and she's a
>long, long way from ever getting there.
>
I was wondering for a while now how many Forces she picked up from Moloch! If she lost a bunch (including all her Celestial Forces) at Second Impact, and Moloch gave her what he had left...hmm. Maybe she got 10 or so from him. But yeah, that's nothing like what an Archangel has.

>Mind you, all this assumes that the process follows its usual slow
>progression. The Lord has been known to do some pretty off-the-wall
>things by fiat, and I won't say I can't see Him doing something like
>elevating a random nobody angel to the Seraphim Council just to put
>the cat among the pigeons - but not without a much more solid
>background reason.

*snicker* Wasn't one of those off-the-wall things elevating Laurence?

>
>Anyway, all of this overlooks one very important fact: The Word of the
>Sword is not vacant. Laurence still exists, and is still bound to his
>Word; he's just going to be... um... out of the office for a while.

I was curious about this, too, once I read all of AN. I was comparing him to Uriel in the IN canon...Uriel was the Archangel of Purity, and Purity was never awarded another angel, either. I suspect he's in much the same boat.

>
>His absence does leave a vacancy on the Seraphim Council, but
>that will be taken care of in due time. They still have a quorum, as
>evidenced by the fact that they were able to tackle other business
>after Laurence left.

Fortunately, they're in a position to bend the bylaws should it be needed. Especially once they voted Michael in...can you see -him- tolerating being hamstrung because not enough were around?

>
>As for the army of God's soldiers on Earth, well, they did a
>bang-up job handling this crisis under centralized
>Archangel leadership, didn't they? Nowhere to be seen, and a couple
>of angels everybody thought were dead had to round up a Nephallite, a
>human experiment in celestial engineering, the Eternal, and...
>whatever Asuka is... to handle the biggest crisis to hit the War since
>the War. I think that whole system is going to be re-examined in
>detail, since its biggest flaw has just been pointed out: If the
>Archangel charged with leading the army is involved in the conspiracy,
>the army doesn't do squat about the problems the conspiracy creates.

*LAUGH!* Yeah. That's what Dominic's internal inquisition system is supposed to fix--but amusingly enough, Dominic's biggest ally among the archangels was...Laurence, thanks to their mutual desire to see humans guided through Christianity. I'm sure that hampered the Archangel of Judgment.

>
>(Speaking of Asuka, I'm a bit surprised nobody's asked what she
>is, since everybody else who ever drove an EVA seems to have something
>at least a little odd going on.)

Actually, it hadn't occurred to me that she could have been anything but human. Certainly, I was thinking 'Whoa, almost too much coincidence!' when it was clear Shinji was a Nephilim right around 3:7 or so...but I'd never seen anything to indicate Asuka was anything but human. She's a Soldier now, of course, but -did- she have anything else going for her?

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5. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   LAST EDITED ON 05-18-03 AT 11:10 PM (EDT)
 
>*grin* Sounds cool. Someday, when you have time and creativity on your
>hands, I'll have to ask what kind of neat trick Malakim of Light get
>to do.

Well, one example I can think of is from Redneck's Dark Victory campaign..

MALAKIM:

Malakim of Lucifer are sworn not to kill humans unless they seek to kill or have killed others. They are also sworn to spare the truly repentant. With a resonance roll, they can tell if a subject has deliberately caused fear of themselves in another being, or if that person has murdered another recently - how recently depends on the check digit. However, with this knowledge comes the knowledge of whether or not the subject regrets their actions, and if that subject wishes to undo what they have done, the Malakim may not strike against them.

Off hand.. it might explain why Rachael didn't give into the old Malakite tradition of moshing demons mercilessly the first time she laid eyes on San. The black-wings-and-broadswords set don't react too well to demons.

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6. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >Off hand.. it might explain why Rachael didn't give into the old
>Malakite tradition of moshing demons mercilessly the first time she
>laid eyes on San. The black-wings-and-broadswords set don't react too
>well to demons.

No, no; that's simply because Rachael isn't stupid, like the standard exemplar of the Choir, Laurence. Rachael knows the difference between "infernal" and "evil".

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7. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   Heh.

It is true, I guess, that having Laurence as a 'shining example' to aspire to can really muck around with your world view.

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8. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   I also thought that Asuka was simply human... or that they were all touched with some celestial. I came to that conclusion after Shinji sported an AT field in the Third Book.

Hmmm... I suppose Asuka may not be simply human after all... I might give it some thought.

Otherwise, due to Celestial politics... I suppose I was at first surprised to see Gabriel as a woman. I know the angel of the trumpet is not shown in the Bible as either man or woman, but then again, angels are oftentimes shown as either masculine or genderless. It struck me as odd, especially how the Bible is also against women head leaders. I've yet to come across a church that has a female head pastor. Still, I guess Gabriel isn't the head of the council... that's indeniably God... or for the moment, Michael. I like the part about them all looking modernised. ^_^

Hmmm... I'll leave to conspiracy theories to Gryphon. He seems much better at them thatn I am. ^_^

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9. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >Otherwise, due to Celestial politics... I suppose I was at first
>surprised to see Gabriel as a woman. I know the angel of the trumpet
>is not shown in the Bible as either man or woman, but then again,
>angels are oftentimes shown as either masculine or genderless.

in the In Nomine canon, angel might be male, female or genderless in celestial form but their vessels are usually male or female because... well, most fo them are human vessels it's a bit of a binary set solution. An angel with more than one vessel (Archangels for example) might well have both male and female vessels. In the canon, Gabriel was primarily male up until storming out of the Seraphiom council about a millenia back and since then has prefered female vessels.

Since Gabriel is clearly part of the council again, the above might not be relevant but most In Nomine players default to thinking of Gabriel as female. (Of course, the demise of Moloch as Demon Prince of Fire might have done Gabriel a favour in terms of sanity since she wouldn't be sharing her Word anymore).

As a side note on Laurence, despite the broadword up his arse, there were fairly solid reasons for him to be in command of Heaven's armies. He is one of Heaven's most capable asskickers and he was a favored servitor of the previous commander. The main alternatives were Michael, David and (at least in his own mind) Khalid. Of the two archangels. Michael held a major grudge against Dominic, with whom he'd have to work closely and David while an old and mighty Malakim and a genuinely quite capable strategist isn't too good at making decisions in a hurry. Under the circumstances bringing in a little new blood probably seemed like a good idea.

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10. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >Since Gabriel is clearly part of the council again, the above might
>not be relevant but most In Nomine players default to thinking of
>Gabriel as female.

It might be a touch of that, although it's quite possible that she prefers it that way.

>As a side note on Laurence, despite the broadword up his arse, there
>were fairly solid reasons for him to be in command of Heaven's armies.
>He is one of Heaven's most capable asskickers and he was a
>favored servitor of the previous commander. The main alternatives were
>Michael, David and (at least in his own mind) Khalid. Of the two
>archangels. Michael held a major grudge against Dominic, with whom
>he'd have to work closely and David while an old and mighty Malakim
>and a genuinely quite capable strategist isn't too good at making
>decisions in a hurry. Under the circumstances bringing in a little new
>blood probably seemed like a good idea.

There's also the fact that it is War, and Laurence did understand that. The problem only really came when he let his hatred of Lucifer overcome his thinking to the point that he made a deal with Natla or one of her agents. After that, he tried to cover it up. That's when the problems kicked in.

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12. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   Laurence is a 'vindictive little bastard' afterall. And when a demon can say that, it most likely means something important. It's most likely rather difficult to find someone who can manage a war in the corporeal realm while ensuring that is srays under wraps. It's a high-stress position, and you'd have to be just a little crazy to accept the job to begin with.

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22. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >Laurence is a 'vindictive little bastard' afterall. And when a
>demon can say that, it most likely means something important. It's
>most likely rather difficult to find someone who can manage a war in
>the corporeal realm while ensuring that is srays under wraps. It's a
>high-stress position, and you'd have to be just a little crazy to
>accept the job to begin with.

It wouldn't surprise me if Laurence were somehow hiding a vast amount of Discord -- after all, as someone (Gryphon?) said, the only thing keeping him from Falling was the fact that he was a Malakite...

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26. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   Malakim resonate with honor, and no two Malakim have quite the same code of honor.

Perhaps he managed to jusitfy his action by his own code of honor.

A moral tightrope to be certain, but Malakim are admittedly some of the nastiest angels around that you can find without any Dissonance or Discord.

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17. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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>*grin* Sounds cool. Someday, when you have time and creativity on your
>hands, I'll have to ask what kind of neat trick Malakim of Light get
>to do.

Malakim of Lucifer, in addition to the two universal Malakite oaths, have a third oath which all the Virtues of Light must swear: I shall slay no human save the murderous, sparing any being who is truly repentant of his or her sins. With a resonance roll, these Virtues can tell if a subject has deliberately
caused fear of themselves in another being, or if that person has murdered another recently - how recently depends on the check digit. However, with this knowledge comes the knowledge of whether or not the subject regrets their actions, and if that subject wishes to undo what they have done, the Malakim may not strike against them.

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20. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   Hey, it was worth a shot.

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21. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >In Nomine: Dark Victory, an unofficial work by yours
>truly, not canon for NXE

Sounds cool, any way the rest of us can see this?

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23. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >>In Nomine: Dark Victory, an unofficial work by yours
>>truly, not canon for NXE
>Sounds cool, any way the rest of us can see this?

Kris used to have a very cool set of pages for this campaign, which I found via links on the SJG pages for In Nom; I don't know if he still has them up, but given his recent call for new players, I think it's pretty likely.

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TheOne
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24. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   Which links? I combed the "unofficial In Nom pages" but couldn't find Dark Victory.

-The One

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25. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >>>In Nomine: Dark Victory, an unofficial work by yours
>>>truly, not canon for NXE
>>Sounds cool, any way the rest of us can see this?
>
>Kris used to have a very cool set of pages for this campaign, which I
>found via links on the SJG pages for In Nom; I don't know if he still
>has them up, but given his recent call for new players, I think it's
>pretty likely.

Actually, I lost the old DVPBEM archives in a HD crash. The Archangel of Archives, who has revived her DV character for the new game, says she has the archives, so I may rebuild that page one day.

In the meantime, I'm not going to tackle archive websites for the new game until the first chapter is finished. Right now, I'm regretting having five US-based players and one UK player...

Redneck (but I'll try to make it work)

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Berk
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27. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   LAST EDITED ON 05-20-03 AT 10:26 AM (EDT)
 
Actually.. you may want to take a look at the SJ Games In Nomine Collection.

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11. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >(Speaking of Asuka, I'm a bit surprised nobody's asked what she
>is, since everybody else who ever drove an EVA seems to have something
>at least a little odd going on.)

(shrug) I always figured that she got by on sheer, bloodyminded willpower, espescially given how her piloting ability dropped off at the same time as her confidence in her asskicking self image, and returned as she was restored.

After all, when you get right down to it, the will to be self-determining is humanity's special power. That she exemplifies it enough to command a celestial's body (cloned or otherwise) under the proper circumstances is indeed noteworthy, but hardly unbeleiveable.

Tangentially related to that, consider all the mythology where a human binds a demon, or banishes one. Some can undoubtedly be attributed to Soldiers with added forces, some pure fabrications, but is it so hard to picture Asuka giving a wimpy demonlet the mental beat down and forcing it to obey, for a short time at least? As a further digression, weren't redheaded babies thought to inevitably become witches and were therefore killed at borth in the Dark Ages? Poppycock, but who's to say the same genetics that give red hair don't also predispose one a bit toward magical/celestial forces. Additionally, there's a social bias expecting redheads to be firebrands, and so they tend to live up to it.

I could go on, but I suspect I'm already making les sense than I think I am.

- CD


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TheOne
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13. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   St. Asuka? Joining the ranks of George et. al. for bringing Lucifer -back- to the Host after the rest made sure he went back to The Pit? Somehow I think the stuffier higher-ups in heaven and the church might have a thing or two to say about that.

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15. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >St. Asuka? Joining the ranks of George et. al. for bringing Lucifer
>-back- to the Host after the rest made sure he went back to The Pit?
>Somehow I think the stuffier higher-ups in heaven and the church might
>have a thing or two to say about that.
>
>-The One
>

I don't know how sainthood works in IN heaven, but I do know how canonization works down here. If the church got the whole, classified story of what happened, they would at least consider her for sainthood. If they don't know about the celestial aspects to this War, she is still one of the heroines that protected us in our darkest hour, like no soldier ever had. One miracle attributed to her to get her Beatified, another to make her Canonized, but that is that.

Of course, death (plus a hundred years, preferably) is a prerequisite for canonization, but that's par for the course--you can't get into the Hall of Fame until after you retire, whether in sports or religion.

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16. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   >>St. Asuka? Joining the ranks of George et. al. for bringing Lucifer
...
>hour, like no soldier ever had. One miracle attributed to her to get
>her Beatified, another to make her Canonized, but that is that.

Hmmm. Of course, this brings up the vitally important question, what date is St. Asuka's Day?

- CD


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18. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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>Hmmm. Of course, this brings up the vitally important question,
>what date is St. Asuka's Day?

April 1. Duh.

t.

p.s. I am tickled pink to see my suggestion was taken seriously. I bow to the four corners of the world and praise the authors - not your best work, but a worthy one.


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Mistral
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19. "RE: Celestial politics and other sad stories"
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   LAST EDITED ON 05-19-03 AT 08:28 PM (EDT)
 
>
>>Hmmm. Of course, this brings up the vitally important question,
>>what date is St. Asuka's Day?
>
>April 1. Duh.

I dunno, seems to me that it'd be one random day during the year that the celebrant _felt_ like celebrating it. So... whenever you feel passionate enought to celebrate... celebrate.

April first seems more like St. Bacon day.


Mistral

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