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45. "RE: (S5M4) Familiar Spirits Comments"
In response to message #44
   >I'm curious... no Priss and Guy?

Maybe they're on giant robot call that week.

>>"For right now, just tell me this much, if you think it's fitting.
>>If I visited... would I be disappointed?"
>>Corwin regarded her thoughtfully for a second, then gave her a
>>little smile and shook his head. "I don't think you would, no."
>You know, this would make an interesting little mini-story, I think.
>Corwin might be a little bit wrong about Korra's level of
>disappointment. (snip)
>... and then she'd find out there's an actual Celestial Bureaucracy,
>and that in fact the universe is, indeed, controlled by functionaries
>at the very highest level. I anticipate that reaction would be way
>more mixed on her part. :)

All of which is fine? Except none of that is really what she's asking about, and Corwin knows that.

>>As he spoke, he unstrapped his Cirrus J-5 jetpack's control
>>modules from his hands and slipped them into his side pockets, then
>>tugged off the heavy gauntlets he'd worn underneath them.
>Minami is going to be very disappointed that Corwin imported a
>jetpack for this trip. What, a Sato-branded jetpack isn't good enough
>for him? He thinks he's better than her?

(shrug) Maybe he doesn't like single-engine jetpacks and Future Industries doesn't make twins.

>Oh, wait, no. I liked Hitomi a lot despite her being a walk-on role.
>Aside from being a fan of alliteration, I like that they've got a
>high-energy woman doing sportscasting. Not just doing sportscasting,
>but actually anchoring the broadcast.

Yes, that was deliberate, and for something like the same reason. I am conversely a bit bored with the way that, although there are a lot of women in sports broadcasting these days, they're mostly the on-the-field/in-the-stands segment reporter types - the ones who are actually on camera a lot, unlike the main commentary team - and are generally therefore selected mainly for telegenicity. (Which is not to say that Hitomi isn't telegenic, but she's not actually there to be eye candy.)

>Hmm, are you holding that content back for another Azana-n-Karana

Not that I know of.

>Because you'd think Azana taking the ring for the first time
>with her flashy new blue flame would be a big deal worthy of on-screen
>time, as it were.

Azana's flame doesn't have to be blue. It's entirely possible that she's not using it in the ring, specifically because she doesn't need the tsuris.

>>There was a growing cognitive dissonance there that she wasn't ready to
>>think about "out loud" just yet; and even if she did, it would only be
>>to deem it inappropriate on several levels.
>Yes! Yes, it is, Korra. There are weird grooming implications involved
>given the fact that you helped raise the boy.

I'm not entirely sure how that's supposed to work, given that they haven't seen each other in six years, but regardless, it is something like one of her concerns (or would be, if she'd actually thought about the matter in words, which she hasn't so far). However, at the same time, I think the situation is somewhat less straightforward than you're reading it to be. It has... a lot of levels, not all of them obvious at first look.

>It would be like if
>Gryphon were to decide to make a move on Raven, only even

... Well, one significant difference I can think of off the top of my head is that Raven's not an adult. (As far as anyone knows. She doesn't really know how old she is, but as of 2410 she seems to be about sixteen.) Or a, you know, fully accredited Norse god. Also, there's the whole ninja-hell-commando master-apprentice thing, and that semitranscendent mystic bond thing that happened at the end of Blood Ties, and - yeah, actually, y'know what, not seeing the resemblance at all, actually.

>>"I just have to give it some thought," Utena went on. "Some...
>>diplomacy... may be in order," she added with a little grin and a wink.
>... and now Utena and Anthy are collaborating on this one. Cripes.

In fairness, they collaborate on more or less everything these days. It's kind of part of their deal. Plus:

>>A glance sufficed, between the Rose Prince and her wife, for the
>>one to ask a silent question and the other to answer it: No, not yet.
>Not ever, hopefully.

That rather depends on what it's not yet time for, which is not in evidence here. I mean, give Anthy and Utena credit for one thing, at least: However they address what they have observed, they'll want to do it carefully. It's a matter of some considerable delicacy, and it's got connections to a number of other things that all need to be taken into account. The last thing they want is to address one thing and break something else in the process - the entire structure has to be looked after.

For instance, they weren't present to hear Azana's observations to Anne in the noodlery scene in Prologue - "Kaitlyn's brother seems to unlock all that" - but they will have noticed something like it themselves; indeed, it's what Anthy noticed had started going away a bit in the first place. However they proceed, they'll want to put that back if they can.

For the record, what's going on here is so complex I haven't even completely shaken it down myself yet, but one thing I can say is that, if you're worried that U&A are looking for a quick and final resolution to the problem, uh, don't be. They are well aware that precipitate action (for all that it's kind of Utena's métier) would do a lot more harm than good, and the last thing they want is to do harm.

(Mind you, that doesn't necessarily mean that they won't indulge in a bit of gentle mischief now and then, once they've stabilized the situation... )

>Y'know, what with Corwin getting hitched and all, I wonder if Juri and
>Kaitlyn are ever gonna get married.

Well... ever is a long time. Juri is, as you note, not real comfortable with the concept generally, and Kaitlyn can take marriage or leave it. It's only a piece of paper to her. It's not as if they live in a society where if you're not married they won't let you jointly buy a house or check into a hotel or anything, nor are they likely to be concerned about legitimizing the children anytime soon. If other folks want to make the gesture for symbolic or spiritual or even legal (looking at you, Amanda and Devlin) reasons, that's great, she'll be in the front row, but her own life is in no way incomplete without it.

> when
>EPU has fights that are meant to simply be an awesome fight (Corwin
>probending, for example) as opposed to ones that are meant to be
>spiritually or emotionally significant in some way

For the record, I'm reasonably sure this one was supposed to be both.

>This was a decent movement, on its own, but the Suite as a
>whole is starting to drag just a bit.

I've addressed this elsewhere in this same thread, and don't feel like going over it again here, so in this spot I'll just point to that one and say: Yeah... so I've been told.

>I'm hesitant at making this sort
>of pronouncement without the entire thing being out (I've been burned
>before) but while this installment wasn't bad, it was remarkably

Hmm. You think? 'Cause I thought there was quite a bit going on. I mean, it's called Familiar Spirits for a reason, and almost everything that happens here touches that theme in one way or another. Just to take three examples, the ice dodging scene is far more than "sailing porn", the Rose Duel was intended to mean a number of different things, and you may not have a good feeling about Anthy's "oh hey" moment and what Utena's reaction to it may mean, but that doesn't make it not plot.

Then there was Lhakpa-Nyima, we learned a few things about Karana and Azana, there's setup for what Anne's going to be up to once the school year's done... and that's the stuff that isn't meant to be hidden hooks for stuff you'll only realize was set up here later on. No, "starting to drag a bit," I'll take that one and roll with it as best I can, but I don't think I'm havin' "remarkably plot-free".

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