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"Le Droit du Dragon"
 
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I continue to be impressed with the adaptability of UF to other works of fiction. I'll spare everyone the gushing and just put it all into one (completely undignified but entirely accurate) monosyllable: Squeeeee!!!

...And since I know the management frowns upon people making that the entirety of a post, I have to wonder about the implications of mixed canons Hyruule represents. Do they have Dark Water or the Thirteen Treasures? Is there a recurring hero/princess/villain cycle? And does any of that bear any relevance at all to the overall plot? (Okay, so I know the answer to that last is a general no, I'm just curious as to the depth of thought involved in this particular bit of setting.)

...and since I've been wondering since I noticed the PoDW references, do they have minga melons? (M'nga? Min'ga? Hellufino how you'd localize it...)


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   >I have to wonder about the implications of mixed
>canons Hyruule represents. Do they have Dark Water or the Thirteen
>Treasures? Is there a recurring hero/princess/villain cycle? And
>does any of that bear any relevance at all to the overall plot?
> (Okay, so I know the answer to that last is a general no, I'm just
>curious as to the depth of thought involved in this particular bit of
>setting.)
>
>...and since I've been wondering since I noticed the PoDW references,
>do they have minga melons? (M'nga? Min'ga? Hellufino how
>you'd localize it...)

You must have really liked that series, seeing that it's 22 years old and only 21 episodes were made (had to Wiki). All I really remember about The Pirates of Dark Water is that the female lead was voiced by Jodi Benson, who did Ariel in Disney's The Little Mermaid.


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   >You must have really liked that series, seeing that it's 22 years old
>and only 21 episodes were made (had to Wiki). All I really remember
>about The Pirates of Dark Water is that the female lead was
>voiced by Jodi Benson, who did Ariel in Disney's The Little
>Mermaid
.

The memories of the seven-year-old I was inform me that the show was Batman The Animated Series grade excellent, so it's not surprising that people should remember it.

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The seven year old I was agrees wholeheartedly.

...actually, scratch that, I was around nine or ten when it started airing.


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>You must have really liked that series, seeing that it's 22 years old
>and only 21 episodes were made (had to Wiki)

Pirates of Dark Water still has a cult following. It's not a large one, as these things go; in terms of "90s cartoons that were cancelled before their times" the cult following of Gargoyles dwarfs it. But PoDW was pretty influential in certain circles despite not being very well known.

It's a bit like the completely apocryphal and inaccurate Brian Eno quote: "The Velvet Underground's first album only sold a few thousand copies, but everyone who bought one formed a band."

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   I did indeed 'really like it'; being that I had no internet back then nor any real way to look into things, I had no idea it actually -had- been cancelled, and wondered for the longest time how things panned out for Wren and his crew.

Given that I'm also a huge Zelda nerd, well... let's just say Umi's homeworld fascinates me and leave it at that, 'kay?


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   >I did indeed 'really like it'; being that I had no internet back then
>nor any real way to look into things, I had no idea it actually -had-
>been cancelled, and wondered for the longest time how things panned
>out for Wren and his crew.

I certainly have nothing against old or short shows. "My" show is so old it was an OAV series that got cut short, which was rebooted into a full TV series years later. Nowadays, it seems like nobody but the oldsters have seen (or heard of) BGC these days.

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>...and since I've been wondering since I noticed the PoDW references,
>do they have minga melons? (M'nga? Min'ga? Hellufino how
>you'd localize it...)

Y'know what, there really are days when I feel like the police chief from Clerks: The Animated Series.

As for your question, I suspect only Marty could answer that for sure. It occurs to me that I have no direct experience with either of the base references he originally devised Hyeruul from.

(Yes, that also means I haven't played a Zelda game. Oh, don't look at me like that.)

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   The most delicious part of this post is how your witty rejoinder to a question about an obscure, mostly-forgotten animated series was a clip from an equally obscure, mostly-forgotten animated series.

This is the kind of nerd one-upsmanship that either ends in a convivial shared drink, or in a fistfight over which bootleg live recording of Frank Zappa's September 1974 tour date in Munich is the superior one; the one made from the front of the house, or the back of the house.

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   Or an ignominious defeat for me, as my ammo comes from a really, really sad stockpile of nerdery. I personally vote for the drinks though; I'm parched.


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   Ah, Frank Zappa.

Joe's Garage got me through high school.

...

Although I think that may say a few unkind things about myself.

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   Wow... That may possibly be the worst possible thing Naxnehaaz could have said to Nall. I stopped, reread the line, and just went "Oh you dumb, dead bastard."

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter


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   >The leaders of House R'yuu-z-ky regarded L'yynr'd as little worse
>than eccentric. He was a grown man, after all, and not one whose
>birth placed him high on the list of people who might one day have
>a prominent role to play in the future of the clan, so if what he
>wanted to do was run off to New Avalon and pretend to be human,
>well, so be it.

One does wonder if, given it's fallen circumstances, a few members of House Mr'kreth'yyr thought to make some lemonande out of the lemons of Leonard and Embelinda and see if there might be at least some diplomatic advantage in her in unforseen and unwelcome union with House R'yuu-z-ky.

M'belyyn'da probably put the kibosh on that, tho.

>Duchess Mr'kreth'yyr (now sometimes called
>M'belyyn'da the Elder) had gone to great trouble to secure an heir
>despite the difficulties imposed on doing so by an accident of biology.
>So often had she tried and failed that, rumor had it, she had become
>quite deranged about the matter.

The fact that this whole scheme seems very ill thought out and short-sighted would seem to confirm those rumors, although I personally am not so sure.

>The only
>prospects Mr'kreth'yyr had now were Umi's aunt and uncle, the offspring
>of the Duchess's much-harassed younger brother Ryk'art, and they -
>thanks to the dilatory fashion in which he had secured his posterity -
>were mere children, much younger than Umi, who was now just past eighty
>herself. As such, the old woman was deeply embittered. She hadn't
>spoken directly to her daughter in more than a century, or her son-in-
>law ever, as far as anyone knew.

I am deeply interested in the politics of the situation. (Quelle surprise, I know.) Does the Duchess actually have the power to disinherit Embelinda, pass the title and with it leadership of the House over to Umi's aunt or uncle? That would probably greatly increase the potential value of any match she can make the two of them? I'm guessing "no" given all the trouble she's going to to forcibly make at least one of her wandering descendants toe in line, but...

>The next part, she had to admit, was her own stupid fault.

Aww, Umi. No it's not. This is the familial equivalent of a mugging. It's the fault of the mugger, not yours. :)

>It only occurred to her that this had been a rookie mistake when
>she emerged from the bathroom twenty minutes later, wrapped in one towel
>and scrubbing at her hair with another, to find her Lens gone, her
>grandmother standing by the door, and an unmistakably purposeful garment
>laid out on the bed.

Someone needs to give Umi a little card with whatever the Experts of Justice equivalent to the Rifleman's Creed is with regard to her Lens.

"This is my Lens. There are many like it, but this one is mine..."

Also, my respect for the Duchess has just gone up a lot. There are plenty of two-bit villains who wouldn't have thought of something simple like "wait for your mark to get in the shower, then take all their ultimate cool stuff." Good on her.

>"Get dressed, Uum'y," her grandmother replied briskly.

I love this.

Five'll get you ten the Duchess pronounces Umi's name in such a way as to leave no doubt in any listeners mind, even non-speakers of Hyelian, that she's saying "Uum'y" and NOT (certainly not!) "Umi."

>She folded her arms across her towel-wrapped chest. "I'm
>sorry, did it mysteriously become the 14th century while I was asleep?"

One day, someone is gonna say this, and the Ponds are going to pop out from behind some trees, Amy looking deeply sheepish, and say "Well, actually..."

>The twist in
>that was that Umi was using the least formal of High Alvish's several
>second persons into the bargain. She was being excruciatingly formal
>-and- insultingly familiar -at the same time,- a spectacular peak of
>sarcasm that wouldn't have been attainable in many other tongues. It
>was like being verbally abused by an angry angel.

The language nerd in me can only bow and say "bravo" to you, gentlemen. This? Was well-executed.

>She made a dismissive
>gesture. <... -children.- That boy you argue with so much? He's just
>a breeze through your hair. He'll wither and die before you even reach
>your third century.

The Duchess' ignorance isn't precisely her fault, but you can't really help but laugh...

Well, it's a little bit her fault, I guess. Nall's known associates include a shit-ton of immortal people who are known for extending that benefit to others, and the Duchess is plugged in enough that she ought to have some idea as to just what Nall's good buddy Corwin really is. Do your research! Or at least hire some decent PIs. You're playing in the big leagues now. You just lost of of the villain points you gained with this elegant little ambush.

><With whom I do or do not grow old is my business, thou wicked
>crone,> Umi spat back. This was not entirely fair - though aged,
>Duchess M'belyyn'da the Elder was still a tall, slim, elegant woman -

Crone, like maiden and mother, can function well as a state of mind, not a literal description. :) Just off the top of my head, Clarissa Broadbank is basically nine-tenths of the way to crone and she's not even twenty yet.

><Or what?> the Duchess interrupted her. <You have an
>obligation. The banns have been published, the dowry paid. You -will-
>marry Prince B'ghanna'vel of the House of Tel'vyyra'gath today, and by
>doing so you will save your mother's house from the extinction to which
>she assumed she had consigned it.>

Ah. This would seem to answer my previous question, wouldn't it? It would appear that the Duchess doesn't have an easy way to just cut Embelinda out of the line of succession and be done with the whole thing. Although I'm not 100% inclined to take her at her word; she might just be stubborn. And crazy.

><I have an obligation? -I- have an OBLIGATION?> Umi raged. <It
>will be interesting to see thee defend that premise in court,
>particularly as this is the very first that I have ever HEARD of it! I
>am a citizen of the Republic of Zeta Cygni, not thy ducal subject, and I
>do NOT, I will NEVER, agree to this.>

YES. First of all, Umi? You have my undying love for being smart enough to threaten your grandmother with the LAW. A lot of Lensmen would already have started with the violence. Good for you. At least attempting to defuse things peacefully is a sign of maturity.

Sidebar: back when Try, Try Again came out, I spent a few days reading up on how international (and, within the US, interstate) law with regards to unconventional and/or "legal in one jurisdiction, illegal in another" marriages work out.

Umi would of course be capable of beating this relatively quickly in court given who she is; she knows people who have judges in Zeta Cygni and, indeed, on the Federation Courts that no doubt adjudicate this kind of thing on speed-dial. But if she were just J. Random Hyelian... assuming that Zeta Cygni's laws are at all like the US's, the whole process might drag out long enough to be very... troublesome.

Here in the real world, as an adult, if Umi were to enter a marriage in another jurisdiction that would also be legal in the US, the US would recognize the union as legitimate, especially since Umi has dual citizenship. The burden would be on her to prove that she was coerced into it (or otherwise not able to give meaningful consent) in order to have it dissolved; otherwise, she'd have to settle for suing for divorce.

(Laws are structured this way under the assumption that most countries won't be stupid enough to countenance their citizens entering into against-their-will marriages to citizens of other sovereign nations, and because, historically, most of the time people looking to bail out of a marriage by declaring jurisdictional irregularities have been men who are seeking to avoid supporting kids.)

This may be more information than anyone wants or needs. :)

>Umi laughed mirthlessly at that. <Oh ho ho, I sincerely doubt
>that. My parents fled this world to -escape- such 'arrangements,'> she
>said. <They married for love, not political convenience. As will I,
>should I ever choose to do so at all!>

There was an interesting and kind of sad story I read about arranged marriages within the Indian cultural context on Slate just last Friday. It kind of resonates with the interplay between Umi and the Duchess here, at least to me.

>The Duchess snorted. <Love. Pfeh. You young people and your
>absurd fixation on -love.- Romantic love is a passing storm, nothing
>more. It will not move mountains, nor will it save the world. Love
>will not blaze a trail to victory.> Raising long, slim fingers with
>elegantly manicured nails that put her granddaughter in mind of talons,
>she enumerated each of the following alternatives as she named it:
><Forethought, planning and cunning will accomplish all that love cannot.

Y'know... part of me is thinking that the Duchess has a point.

Romantic love is a pretty powerful thing, but a lot of people fixate on it as some sort of magical fix-it, where all you need is both love and willpower and you can accomplish damn near anything.

That's an attitude that gets people killed. The Duchess is right about one thing and only one thing; forethought, planning, and cunning are powerful tools in their own right and they can and will accomplish things that fuzzy thinking cannot.

A pity she doesn't realize that without something like love to work around, all that having a surfeit of forethought, planning, and cunning will do is make you into a particularly effective sociopath.

(I also detect a bit of sublimation going on in here. One wonders just how happy her marriage to the late Duke was. Or how happy she CONVINCED herself it was.)

It's an effective and powerful speech regardless.

><Thou art making a terrible mistake, Grandmother. Thou may'st
>force the issue for the moment, but know thee this: thou hast bought
>more trouble than doth EXIST in thy philosophy. Thou shalt not save
>House Mr'kreth'yyr this way.> Fixing the old woman with the most
>venomous glare she could muster - which was of such intensity it
>actually caused the Duchess to take a half-step back - she finished,
><Thou wilt find instead that thou hast guaranteed its destruction.>

Hmm. If I were Umi, once I got home, I'd do a lot of digging into what's about to happen here.

The Duchess is... I don't even want to say ill-informed, as that implies a deficiency on her part; she's just straight-up ignorant about a lot of the aspects surrounding her granddaughters various extracurricular activities. But she isn't dumb; or rather, people who get to where she's gotten in life may do dumb things, but usually competently.

Umi is a Lensbearer, which means she's in the direct chain-of-command of Gryphon, widely acknowledged as being on the shortlist for "most powerful person in the galaxy." His political stances and proclivities are well-known, and one of those is that he doesn't put up with this sort of shit when directed against his friends and relations. Even without him in the equation, the Republic of Zeta Cygni looks after it's citizens, and Umi's co-workers are no slouches.

This suggests one of three things:

1) The Duchess thinks she has the juice to tell the collected personages and institutions above to go stick it and have them back down. That's a terrifying and dangerous possibility even if she's wrong; it could mean that this isn't just internal family strife within Umi's clan, but that one of the many powerful organizations they've made an enemy of over the years is taking another poke at the Experts of Justice. That's something you want to keep a weather eye on.

2) The Duchess is pretty sure that people will come, rescue Umi, declare the marriage null and void in the eyes of the galaxy, and fly away home. She just doesn't care, which would imply another agenda at work. Umi probably would like to know what that is and if she'll be dodging kidnappers from now on.

3) A powerful Hyelian noblewoman has lost her marbles and is just straight-up doing desperate, crazy shit. This is something that those above the Duchess in the Hyelian power structure might want to look into.

This is a mystery that needs some solving. Solving Umi and Nall Style!

>All but one. Lan'yehra, the chambermaid under whose purview the
>young Countess's bedchamber fell,

Hmm. Given Ben's professed unfamiliarity with Zelda, I can't help but wonder if the name choice here is deliberate or not.

It's very, very close to "Lanayru," one of the three Dragon Gods from Skyward Sword. There are certain similarities between them and their elemental affinities and the Rune Gods. (Not an exact mapping, but... similarities.)

>"Umi's dual citizenship... complicates things," Nall said.
>"We'll have to get Umi's parents to file a protest with the Foreign
>Office - they'll probably turn it over to an IPO arbiter. If they push
>hard enough, it'll probably be annulled and - "

Nall is going to be one heck of a diplomat one day.

No snark, I mean that. It takes a level head and a phlegmatic temperament to approach a situation like this in a calm and straightforward way, and to seek to use existing methods of nonviolent dispute resolution. Despite his mercurial nature this isn't the first time, either. Kid has a bright future in arranging for angry people to not instantly reach for their revolvers.

>"For the King's sake, yo, sack up an' HANDLE this!" she snapped,
>her usually suppressed native dialect resurfacing in full force. Then
>she leaned forward like a baseball manager arguing with an umpire and
>shouted into his face, "IS YOU _IS_ OR IS YOU _AIN'T_ A _DRAGON?!_"

... and then Fuu comes along.

One day, someone is actually going to make use of all those lovely international institutions that Megazone, Jeremy Feeple, and the other fine people of the Babylon Foundation and various diplomatic services have poured blood, sweat, and tears into establishing.

That day? Is not today.

Strap in, ladies and gentlemen. Time to ride this one all the way home.

>Umi waited through Hei'glynn's interminable spiel about the
>ancient sanctity of the ceremony they were about to perform. The man
>seemed blissfully unconscious of the irony of his position. She
>wondered idly whether he knew she was there under protest, or had been
>told she was a willing participant, or simply didn't care.

You know, I don't know if the Priest is a reference of an expy, but I was really expecting the easy Princess Bride joke or the slightly less easy Prince of Thieves joke. :)

>The priest finished his speech, then made another, shorter one
>to Prince B'ghanna'vel about the duties (Hah! thought Umi scornfully)
>and privileges (Double hah!) he was about to assume, to the Countess
>Uum'y of the House of Mr'kreth'yyr (which wasn't even her -name, that
>would probably foul the legal waters right there)

Maybe gran-gran managed to arrange to have local authorities dissolve your parents marriage ab initio, Umi. :) That would, I speculate, make you part of House Mr'kreth'yyr, rather than House R'yuu-z-ky.

><Look out, milady!> Prince B'ghanna'vel cried, throwing himself
>between his intended bride and the oncoming dragon, his dress sword
>drawn.

Oh, -kid-.

Points for valor, and your heart is in the right place, but that Lawful Stupid alignment of yours is gonna get you killed one day. :)

>Satisfied, the dragon collected his prize, turned (laying waste to
>another of the walls with a lashing sweep of his tail that sent the
>guardsmen scattering for cover), and unfurled his great feathered wings.

It took a lot of effort on my part to not make a World of Warcraft joke right here.

You're welcome.

>"You there, adventurers! You saw what happened? You must help
>me! I am Prince B'ghana'vel of Tel'vyyra'gath. That dragon has taken
>Countess Uum'y, my betrothed!"

Okay, the Prince is officially awesome, but geeeeez. Kid is badly in need of seasoning. Don't just ask the first band of murder hobos adventurers who show up after a dragon attack to help you! I mean, you're a Prince. You have ARMSMEN. Hopefully some of them even have Class Levels!

>"If you won't help me, I shall go alone."

It's dangerous to go alone...

><"(You know, he reminds me of someone,)" Tsuwabuki replied,[BR>>angling his eyes at Hikaru. "(Someone really close by.)"
>"(Gee, go figure,)" said Wakaba.
>"(You guys are mean,)" Hikaru grumbled.

You know, the Prince seems more like Tsuwabuki than Hikaru.

Not current Tsuwabuki. Tsuwabuki from SkU, who was always running around trying so damn hard to be a Big Damn Hero and had just an enormous heart, even though he was utterly in over his head.

>"The
>dragon went north. He must be the one who lairs on Merciless Peak.
>It's a three-hour walk, and that's if we make good time through the
>Valley of the Orcs - which I wouldn't count on, because, well, orcs."

... seriously? They still have orcs on Hyeruul?

Place really is trapped in the 14th century. What, is that Valley some sort of game preserve? They keep a few thousand orcs around in their natural environment so that noblemen can ride in, pop a few with their blaster rifles and feel like big men, protecting the stead from marauders like their ancestors did in the days when a longsword was a piece of high-tech weaponry?

>"Well, this is it. The Valley of the Orcs," said Prince Bogan
>(unnecessarily, given the giant sign reading VALLEY OF THE ORCS - ENTER
>AT YOUR OWN RISK! next to the trail).

... yeah, I stand by my prior hypothesis.

>Though the Kyoshi Warriors were not, in fact, ninja as such,
>they did receive some training in infiltration and sabotage, and Izumi
>had shown an aptitude for this work from an early age.

Would it be safe to say that Izumi... is an elite warrior who's trained for many years in the art of stealth?

(I'm sorry.)

(No I'm not.)

>Some, she knew,
>suspected that this was because of her Fire Nation ancestry; there were
>still those in the Earth Kingdom, and particularly on isolated Kyoshi
>Island, who believed that Fire Nationals were all natural liars and
>sneaks.

Huh. Interesting cultural stereotype. I would have figured Fire Nationals would have a reputation as natural thugs and bullies; element of power and all that, plus the Fire Nation during the Hundred Year's War didn't really seem all that... subtle. More "burn down the village to make a point."

>Duchess Mr'kreth'yyr would have put it with her -own- things, her
>jewelry and papers, in her quarters - mistakenly believing, as so many
>people did, that their private places were more secure simple because
>they were so familiar.

That simple should be "simply", should it not?

>He didn't even bother shouting for aid from
>any other guards who might be within nominal earshot.

Dammit, Hyeruul. Learn to train your soldiers!

Hell, putting just ONE guy on a door is a mistake to begin with. At that point you're not a guard; you're a decoration. Your job isn't actually protection, it's to give the hallway a finished look.

>This was the sort of bluff that was -supremely- embarrassing if
>called, but in her training, Izumi had been told: "Think on the lessons
>of Avatar Kyoshi, open youself to her uncompromising spirit, and no one
>will ever dare doubt you."

I like to imagine that there's always at least one smartass in every cadre of Kyoshi Warriors who asks, all wide-eyed innocence, "But sensei, what happens if -both- of us are open to Avatar Kyoshi's uncompromising spirit?"

>"I apologize for this next
>part," she went on, "but I'm afraid I can't have you raising an alarum."
>Then, before he had a chance to wonder what next part, she jabbed him
>sharply in the center of the chest, just above his breastplate, with the
>stiffened first two fingers of her right hand. He gasped, his whole
>body going numb, and sagged to the floor, staring at her with wide eyes,
>his jaw working silently.

What was that you were saying a few weeks ago about chi blocking being cheap, cheap shit, Ben? :)

>"Sort of during. And it wasn't strictly for her own
>advancement. She thinks the survival of House Mr'kreth'yyr itself is at
>stake. There was a... a -desperation- in her when she talked about it
>that I'd never seen in her before. She believes Mother eloping with
>Father doomed the family to extinction."

I bet this makes her just the FAVORITE aunt of her niece and nephew!

>"Listen to me!" Nall said urgently. "Nax is -not- the kind of
>dragon you're used to. He lives in Midgard because he's an exile. A
>war criminal. His Name means 'Cruelty, Never Mercy'. Now go!"

Interesting. I do wonder if that's a formal exile, or a "skipped town before the heat came down" exile. I can see it going either way.

I have to say that the fight with Nax seems a bit... hmm. Perfunctory? I know this is just a short, but it felt really superfluous in a way that nothing else in the story did; it's like "Well, we kind of promised a dragon fight, and Act III needs a big finish to send us offstage on, so... here you go." I wouldn't say it's dull, but it's just kind of... there. Nax swoops down, Nall kicks his ass, they all go watch Corwin and Utena get hitched.

I dunno, it could just be me.

>Then, smiling tiredly, he said, "Your homeworld is terrible,
>Umi. Let's never come back here again."

I'm kinda with Nall on this one.

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13. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   >Hmm. Given Ben's professed unfamiliarity with Zelda, I can't help but
>wonder if the name choice here is deliberate or not.

Nope, made up on the spot out of more-or-less-randomly-selected syllables.

>One day, someone is actually going to make use of all those lovely
>international institutions that Megazone, Jeremy Feeple, and the other
>fine people of the Babylon Foundation and various diplomatic services
>have poured blood, sweat, and tears into establishing.

... and only you will enjoy that episode. :)

Also, in Fuu's defense, she doesn't know Umi's groom is a) prepubescent and b) probably even less into this than Umi is. She thinks her friend is about to be dragged off to whothechristevenknowswhat. These people are obviously goddamn medievalist savages, for all she knows they still do that parade-the-bloody-sheets-through-the-town thing. I didn't really wanna go there - see the annotations for a few notes about how I had to grapple with that whole corner of the premise a bit - but jeez.

>Okay, the Prince is officially awesome, but geeeeez. Kid is badly in
>need of seasoning.

Cut him some slack, he's the Hyelian equivalent of eleven and he's having a real hard day.

>Would it be safe to say that Izumi... is an elite warrior who's
>trained for many years in the art of stealth?
>
>(I'm sorry.)

"I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have is a very particular set of skills.... "

>Huh. Interesting cultural stereotype. I would have figured Fire
>Nationals would have a reputation as natural thugs and bullies;
>element of power and all that, plus the Fire Nation during the Hundred
>Year's War didn't really seem all that... subtle. More "burn down the
>village to make a point."

It's a little different on Kyoshi Island, particularly among the Warriors, where the main point of historical contact with the Fire Nation came in the form of infiltrators and assassins. (Looking at you, Mai.)

>Hell, putting just ONE guy on a door is a mistake to begin with. At
>that point you're not a guard; you're a decoration. Your job isn't
>actually protection, it's to give the hallway a finished look.

These guys are basically mallcops.

>What was that you were saying a few weeks ago about chi blocking being
>cheap, cheap shit, Ben? :)

Important detail:

She'd already won the fight anyway at that point.

It's not the Poke of I Win, it's the Poke of Stay Out of My Way Now, Defeated Person.

>I have to say that the fight with Nax seems a bit... hmm. Perfunctory?
>I know this is just a short, but it felt really superfluous in a way
>that nothing else in the story did; it's like "Well, we kind of
>promised a dragon fight, and Act III needs a big finish to send us
>offstage on, so... here you go." I wouldn't say it's dull, but it's
>just kind of... there. Nax swoops down, Nall kicks his ass, they all
>go watch Corwin and Utena get hitched.
>
>I dunno, it could just be me.

Use your damn imagination, boy. I gave you plenty of adjectives to work with.

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16. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-19-13 AT 02:47 AM (EDT)
 
>>Hmm. Given Ben's professed unfamiliarity with Zelda, I can't help but
>>wonder if the name choice here is deliberate or not.
>
>Nope, made up on the spot out of more-or-less-randomly-selected
>syllables.

Serendipity, then. Always cool when that happens.

>>One day, someone is actually going to make use of all those lovely
>>international institutions that Megazone, Jeremy Feeple, and the other
>>fine people of the Babylon Foundation and various diplomatic services
>>have poured blood, sweat, and tears into establishing.
>
>... and only you will enjoy that episode. :)

Hey, you guys manage to make that sort of stuff pretty awesome when you choose to dip your toe into that pool. Gryphon's murder trial was pretty damned riveting, and that was basically a political fight from beginning to end. I can't be the only one who thought so. :)

(I also have fond memories of Redneck and Jeremy standing before the Supreme Judiciary to make the case against Garth Zard'al, but I haven't read those passages in a very long time, and Redneck has since retired.)

>Also, in Fuu's defense, she doesn't know Umi's groom is a)
>prepubescent and b) probably even less into this than Umi is. She
>thinks her friend is about to be dragged off to
>whothechristevenknowswhat. These people are obviously goddamn
>medievalist savages, for all she knows they still do that
>parade-the-bloody-sheets-through-the-town thing. I didn't really
>wanna go there - see the annotations for a few notes about how
>I had to grapple with that whole corner of the premise a bit - but
>jeez.

I actually should have mentioned, I was rather glad you didn't.

It would have been very easy to make Umi's fiancee some sort of leering, groping fop and/or hardcore cultural reactionary, the kind of guy nobody minds seeing get mauled by a dragon. But you didn't, you went "basically okay, victim of his culture." That makes simply applying swift and brutal violence to the situation a lot more complex.

I really don't really blame Fuu, as such. Umi's family is doing something pretty barbaric to her. But man, it was kind of funny (well, it was funny to me, and in kind of a black way) the way you had Nall parsing out legal strategies, and then Fuu goes "NO LAWYERS DRAGON TIME NAO" and he rolls with it.

>>Hell, putting just ONE guy on a door is a mistake to begin with. At
>>that point you're not a guard; you're a decoration. Your job isn't
>>actually protection, it's to give the hallway a finished look.
>
>These guys are basically mallcops.

Being a mallcop is actually harder than people think it is, but I take your meaning.

>Use your damn imagination, boy. I gave you plenty of adjectives to work with.

Oh, the fight itself was well-executed. I got no complaints there. You've been choreographing these things for, what, twenty years? I'd actually feel really weird about going after it on that level unless something really egregious had happened.

My critique was more structurally based. It just kind of seems like Nax was there just to have a fight with; you insert an unambiguously evil bad guy with no real connection to the rest of the story or purpose for being other than for Nall to prove how badass he is (which Nall has already done a lot of times) by taking him down hard. Like you got to the end, realized there needed to be a final boss instead of everyone waving goodbye to Bogan and vanishing in a spray of light, and cobbled one together.

Not trying to be a dick about this, just calling it like I see it.

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28. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   >My critique was more structurally based. It just kind of seems like
>Nax was there just to have a fight with; you insert an
>unambiguously evil bad guy with no real connection to the rest of the
>story or purpose for being other than for Nall to prove how badass he
>is (which Nall has already done a lot of times) by taking him down
>hard.

Actually, he's there for several reasons, of which the fight itself is probably the least significant. He's also there to provide key onlookers inside and outside the story with a heretofore unseen insight into the darker side of draconic culture, say a few things that make it more difficult for Umi and Nall to put certain thoughts back in their boxes, and reveal at least one important fact about Nall to several people who did not previously know it.

This installment is interesting to me mainly because not everything that gets raised in that way is immediately dealt with, but if I had immediately dealt with them (as feels like my more usual custom), I'd have people - possibly the same people, ironically enough - gigging me for everything being all pat and handled before the last commercial.

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29. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   >Actually, he's there for several reasons, of which the fight itself is
>probably the least significant. He's also there to provide key
>onlookers inside and outside the story with a heretofore unseen
>insight into the darker side of draconic culture, say a few things
>that make it more difficult for Umi and Nall to put certain thoughts
>back in their boxes, and reveal at least one important fact about Nall
>to several people who did not previously know it.

Hmm, fair enough. I suppose this could be on me; I'd already sort of internalized the idea that Nall, underneath the whole cat/cute boy thing, has some dark shit lurking in his cultural background. But Umi and Co. don't exactly have a readers-eye view, do they?

>This installment is interesting to me mainly because not everything
>that gets raised in that way is immediately dealt with, but if I
>had immediately dealt with them (as feels like my more usual
>custom),

Not only that, the thing feels like a one-off. It could almost be an episode of Brave and the Bold, even. There are things in it that I expect will come up in the future, but not precisely in the same way that, say, unresolved threads and revelation in the Symphony proper usually end up returning with a vengeance.

>I'd have people - possibly the same people, ironically
>enough - gigging me for everything being all pat and handled before
>the last commercial.

Maybe. I'm not renowned for my sterling consistency, after all. :) But, you know, not everything has to be one microscopic cog in a catastrophic plan. Sometimes things just happen and then they're over with without being part of a giant grand tapestry. That time Gryphon missed a whole Kilrathi War to go fight in the Beast Wars springs to mind; that was basically all pat and handled before the last commercial.

That said, there are times when rushing to wrap up everything up might be a poor stylistic choice. But you take things as they come.

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30. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   >That time Gryphon
>missed a whole Kilrathi War to go fight in the Beast Wars springs to
>mind; that was basically all pat and handled before the last
>commercial.

... and was not the sixty-fifth piece(!) of a larger set of story arcs that aren't finished yet.

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31. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   >>Actually, he's there for several reasons, of which the fight itself is
>>probably the least significant. He's also there to provide key
>>onlookers inside and outside the story with a heretofore unseen
>>insight into the darker side of draconic culture, say a few things
>>that make it more difficult for Umi and Nall to put certain thoughts
>>back in their boxes, and reveal at least one important fact about Nall
>>to several people who did not previously know it.
>
>Hmm, fair enough. I suppose this could be on me; I'd already sort of
>internalized the idea that Nall, underneath the whole cat/cute boy
>thing, has some dark shit lurking in his cultural background. But Umi
>and Co. don't exactly have a readers-eye view, do they?

Also, this is, I feel, the first time that we've seen Nall actually worried about a fight since his investiture. I felt that, when he was talking to Umi and saying "get away while I talk" there was an implied "and when that fails and it becomes a fight stop walking away and start running, 'cause I'm not sure how this is gonna end up." I mean, we know it turns out alright in the end because of how the story is structured (and because it's EPU and the Heroes almost always win), but not knowing that? He's a guy walking into a fight that's 6:5 and pick 'em.

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17. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   >>I dunno, it could just be me.
>
>Use your damn imagination, boy. I gave you plenty of adjectives to
>work with.
>
Indeed... The way I saw it in my minds eye was this epic swirl that actually DEFIES being put into mere words on a page.


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14. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   >I like to imagine that there's always at least one smartass in every
>cadre of Kyoshi Warriors who asks, all wide-eyed innocence, "But
>sensei, what happens if -both- of us are open to Avatar Kyoshi's
>uncompromising spirit?"

Probably about the same as when both players of a beat-'em-up game select to fight as CHUCK NORRIS...

... or possibly Jackie Chan (with or without sweet bean roll).

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15. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   >>I like to imagine that there's always at least one smartass in every
>>cadre of Kyoshi Warriors who asks, all wide-eyed innocence, "But
>>sensei, what happens if -both- of us are open to Avatar Kyoshi's
>>uncompromising spirit?"
>
>Probably about the same as when both players of a beat-'em-up game
>select to fight as CHUCK NORRIS...

"Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light."

(sharp intake of breath) "Total protonic reversal."

"Right, that's bad. OK. All right. Important safety tip! Thanks, Egon."

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18. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   >Romantic love is a pretty powerful thing, but a lot of people fixate
>on it as some sort of magical fix-it, where all you need is both love
>and willpower and you can accomplish damn near anything.

Forgive me, but I would like to now remind everybody of the major good guys that we've come to know in this universe. The 'love and willpower' thing? It has been shown lots of time that it actually CAN do some pretty amazing things. Case in point: when Corwin meets Anthy? Just sayin'. :)

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25. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   Well, it's not useless, don't get me wrong. It just doesn't mean much unless paired with other virtues and with actual juice. Conversely, they don't mean much unless paired with it.

You cite when Corwin met Anthy; I would like to note that all the love in the world wouldn't have helped Corwin when he went into Cephiro if he hadn't also happened to be, you know, a god, and to have loads of actual, quantifiable power to hurl at Akio and his buddies and a number of get-out-of-jail-free cards.

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21. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   >Hmm. If I were Umi, once I got home, I'd do a lot of digging into
>what's about to happen here.
>
>This suggests one of three things:
>
>1) The Duchess thinks she has the juice to tell the collected
>personages and institutions above to go stick it and have them back
>down.
>
>2) The Duchess is pretty sure that people will come, rescue Umi,
>declare the marriage null and void in the eyes of the galaxy, and fly
>away home. She just doesn't care, which would imply another agenda at
>work. Umi probably would like to know what that is and if she'll be
>dodging kidnappers from now on.
>
>3) A powerful Hyelian noblewoman has lost her marbles and is just
>straight-up doing desperate, crazy shit.

I'd say 1) is closest. The Duchess basically treats Hyerul as The Only Place In The Galaxy That Matters. That Gryphon guy may be a Big Deal in Other Places, but she is a Big Deal on Hyerul, which *of course* trumps him. If he comes around to complain, she can tell him where to stick it.

>>It's a three-hour walk, and that's if we make good time through the
>>Valley of the Orcs - which I wouldn't count on, because, well, orcs."
>
>... seriously? They still have orcs on Hyeruul?
>
>Place really is trapped in the 14th century. What, is that Valley some
>sort of game preserve? They keep a few thousand orcs around in their
>natural environment so that noblemen can ride in, pop a few with their
>blaster rifles and feel like big men, protecting the stead from
>marauders like their ancestors did in the days when a longsword was a
>piece of high-tech weaponry?

I like that.

>I have to say that the fight with Nax seems a bit... hmm. Perfunctory?
>I know this is just a short, but it felt really superfluous in a way
>that nothing else in the story did; it's like "Well, we kind of
>promised a dragon fight, and Act III needs a big finish to send us
>offstage on, so... here you go." I wouldn't say it's dull, but it's
>just kind of... there. Nax swoops down, Nall kicks his ass, they all
>go watch Corwin and Utena get hitched.

Well, it provides Nall and Umi with a convenient distraction before either of them says something they really regret. I'd say anything below "second actual dragon, hostile" would barely register once they really get going.

And we know Nall is a badass, sure. But with his usual joking, easygoing personality, would we really know how much raw *anger* he's keeping in check over the whole thing, if a convenient outlet for that anger hadn't come along?

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   Nall, fuck yes.

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19. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   Y'know, I think the real villain of the piece doesn't even appear in it: the great-aunt. Umi's grandmother is desperate possibly to the point of mental impairment, and Nax was basically defending his turf. Whereas the great-aunt (whose name I can't seem to find) took advantage of M'belyyn'da's desperation and whatever leverage she used on her family to set up this wedding, probably for some sort of political advantage.

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24. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   Bogan's great-aunt isn't named but does appear, I think; she is (presumably) the very old lady chaperoning him:

>Visibly terrified at the prospect of going forward with the
>day's agenda. He wouldn't even look her in the eye when her grandmother
>and his own chaperone, an elderly woman who (unlike Duchess M'belyyn'da
>the Elder) really did qualify for the title of "crone", had introduced
>them;

And I'm not sure I'd be entirely quick to judge here. Umi's family got out of Hyeruul; the Duchess attempting to drag them in is kind of a dick move. But everybody else has to live there, and Hyeruul seems like a pretty patriarchal place. That means if you're a woman, there are only a few paths to wielding real actual power and having a degree of control over your own life, and this is going to be one of them.

I'm reminded of a quote from one of Charles Stross' works, the Clan Corporate, about how that kind of intergenerational dysfunction can work:

"Look, the rules are really very simple. You grow up hating and fearing your grandmother. Then she marries you off to some near-stranger. A generation later, you have your own grandchildren and you realize you’ve got to hurt them just the way your own great-aunts and grandmother hurt you, or you’ll be doing them an even worse disservice; if you don’t, then instead of a legacy of some degree of power all they’ll inherit is the status of elderly has-been chattel."

The Duchess at least can wield power in her own right as a widow. Bogan's great-aunt might not even have that going for her.

-Merc
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20. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   So this was basically one long session of me squeeing excitedly at my computer screen, and I will try my best to list every single one. You're welcome!

> She was being excruciatingly formal
> -and- insultingly familiar -at the same time,- a spectacular peak of
> sarcasm that wouldn't have been attainable in many other tongues. It
> was like being verbally abused by an angry angel.

Count me in on the linguistic geekery squee.

> The Duchess snorted. <Love. Pfeh. You young people and your
> absurd fixation on -love.- Romantic love is a passing storm, nothing
> more. It will not move mountains, nor will it save the world. Love
> will not blaze a trail to victory.>

I laughed! And then felt sad. Because she really believes that.

> Thou may'st
> force the issue for the moment, but know thee this: thou hast bought
> more trouble than doth EXIST in thy philosophy.

Linguistic geekery, Shakespeare reference and badassery for a triple squee combo.

> "I would be surprised if she didn't do so anyway," Fuu observed.
> "We may well be acting to protect the Duchess Mr'kreth'yyr as much as
> anything else."

Protecting the not-at-all-innocent squee.

> "So what's the plan?" Wakaba wondered. "Do we just knock the
> place down?" She made a fist, her Lens emitting a glow like a tongue of
> emerald flame, and smiled grimly. "I'm up for that."

Wakaba is clearly going by WWPUTD?

> "For the King's sake, yo, sack up an' HANDLE this!" she snapped,
> her usually suppressed native dialect resurfacing in full force. Then
> she leaned forward like a baseball manager arguing with an umpire and
> shouted into his face, "IS YOU _IS_ OR IS YOU _AIN'T_ A _DRAGON?!_"

More linguistic/reference/badassery squee!

> I shall speak no more than three
> words to him.>
> Umi saw the surprised, suspicious flicker of gratification cross
> her grandmother's face at that, and was pleased with herself for not
> smiling darkly at the sight of it.

Counter-mindgaming the mind-gamer quiet squee.

> She made the old woman force her into her place simply for the
> sake of wasting her energy, then stood demurely and awaited her chance.

I just realised: In contrast to Wakaba, Umm'y is taking cues from her Priestess. It fits so well!

> "FO! Krah DIIN!"
> These syllables - the ancient Draconic words for "frost",
> "cold", and "freeze" - brought with them a torrent of arctic wind that
> slashed across the space between the bride and the celebrant, engulfing
> him in flying shards of frost.

Three word squee!

> <Dragon!> cried the Duchess, horrified.
> Nall! thought Umi, but she had the presence of mind not to say
> anything out loud.

Dragon rescuing the princess squee!

> <Look out, milady!> Prince B'ghanna'vel cried, throwing himself
> between his intended bride and the oncoming dragon, his dress sword
> drawn.

Heart's in the right place.

> "We must hurry. I can't even
> imagine what that dragon is doing to poor Countess Uum'y right now."
> "(I can,)" Wakaba muttered with a muted giggle, earning herself
> a swat up the back of the head from Tsuwabuki.

Don't freak the mundanes, Wakaba.

> This was the sort of bluff that was -supremely- embarrassing if
> called, but in her training, Izumi had been told: "Think on the lessons
> of Avatar Kyoshi, open youself to her uncompromising spirit, and no one
> will ever dare doubt you."

Kyoshi glare squee.

> Guardsman (formerly Captain) K'diirhan
> would insist that she had been a formally-dressed foreign giant of a
> woman, more than six feet tall and powerfully built, with boots even
> larger than his. This was not true, but from his perspective, neither
> was it a lie.

Trying very hard not to laugh out of respect to the poor man's feelings.

> In spite of herself, Wakaba snorted. "OK, well, he's got
> backbone, when he's not dealing with pushy old ladies," she conceded.

That kid will go places. Assuming he doesn't get himself killed before he's sixty.

> "Why? Because it was wrong? Or because it was an intrusion on
> your territory?" Umi asked pointedly.
> Nall turned on the rocky bench and gave her a look of startled,
> offended incredulity. "I'm sorry? Did I hear you right?

Yeah, this doesn't read like a problem that just came up now. They're both incredibly proud and headstrong young people, which makes them a good match, but also... well, this.

> "If he's your cousin, can't you just talk to him?" Umi wondered.
> "Couldn't you just talk to your grandmother?" Nall retorted, and
> she had to admit he had a point.

Man, family.

> Nax laughed unpleasantly. <Whelp. Stripling. You plainly
> stole that elf-maid from her wedding and brought her here, to this
> obvious dragonpeak, to have your way with her. I congratulate you. I
> had no idea your generation still cared about the old customs.> He
> lowered his head and sneered at his cousin from a mere two or three feet
> away. <I claim her as the tribute I require to let you leave this place
> with your life.>

Okay, that doesn't quite *top* Gryphon's line to Utena during their first Christmas together (about real duels, and dangers thereof) for worse possible thing to say to that particular person in those particular circumstances, but it comes close.

He shouldn't have oughtta said that, is what I'm sayin'.

> The tools of battle between dragons
> were teeth and claws, bludgeoning tails, old sorceries, lashing bolts
> and streams of magical breath; without quarter or any of the little
> courtesies that were customary even in mortal combat among humanoids.

I'm trying to think of a quote from Gandalf about battles around mountaintops and great storms raging. Although it would be snowstorms in this case.

> Nall's smile became a grin. He clouted the young prince on the
> shoulder in a friendly way, angled a thumb over his own shoulder at the
> remains of his cousin, and said, "Well, being in on killing a dragon
> ought to earn you a few points with the rest of the ladies.

And knowing he actually hasn't done anything will hopefully give him some humility and the drive to train until he can actually fight one someday.

> featuring
> The Castle Mr'kreth'yyr Guards and Servants
> and
> The Orcs of Orc Valley

A bunch of witless barbarians without the skill or the determination to ever be decent opposition to Our Heroes... and some orcs.

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22. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   Over and above the praise for this one (it's great, really great) I really need to point out an interesting little linguistic oddity.

'Bogan' is pretty much Australia's term for what you'd call rednecks in the US. I don't know exactly how the term originated but it's really widely used, to the point where the national broadcaster just last week launched a sitcom called 'Upper Middle Bogan'.

So all the time this little kid is running around being a Good Bloke, all I can think is "I bet he barracks for Collingwood".


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26. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   Even weirder? It's the ancient name for the DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE.

Mario


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27. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   >'Bogan' is pretty much Australia's term for what you'd call rednecks
>in the US.

Oh, that's not a coincidence, I assure you. :)

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32. "RE: Le Droit du Dragon"
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   >>'Bogan' is pretty much Australia's term for what you'd call rednecks
>>in the US.
>
>Oh, that's not a coincidence, I assure you. :)

Maaaaaaaate, noice.

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