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Gryphon
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Sep-23-18, 05:52 PM (EDT) |
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4. "RE: The Worst Gun Ever"
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I love that one of the comments on the video likens the Zip to Tediore products. (For those of you who haven't played Borderlands, Tediore is one of the many fictional firearms manufacturers whose products are featured in the game. Each manufacturer in Borderlands has a Thing. Vladof guns are absurdly inaccurate and have huge magazine capacities.* Jakobs guns are powerful but slow to reload. And so on. Tediores? Tediores are disposable plastic pieces of junk that have stupidly high rates of fire, but do negligible damage with each round. "Now I can flatten light ammo against body armor faster than ever before," that kind of thing. Some models can't even be reloaded—you discard them and get new ones, like Reaper from Overwatch. --G. * "Vladof! You don't need to be a better shot; you just need to shoot more bullets." -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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pjmoyer
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Sep-25-18, 11:27 AM (EDT) |
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13. "RE: The Worst Gun Ever"
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>Not just discarded. > >In Borderlands 2, most Tediore guns are so badly made that after you >finish off a clip of ammunition you have to throw them away before >they explode. > >Tediore decided that this would be a feature, and made the ammunition >supply unstable to the point that the gun exploding also cooks off all >the ammo, making the explosion bigger. I have killed myself >accidentally by manually reloading one of these guns between fights. Well, think of it this way: you're not losing a gun, you're getting a free grenade with every reload! --- Philip
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Gryphon
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Sep-25-18, 12:12 PM (EDT) |
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15. "RE: The Worst Gun Ever"
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>Not just discarded. > >In Borderlands 2, most Tediore guns are so badly made that after you >finish off a clip of ammunition you have to throw them away before >they explode.Well, that makes as much sense as anything else in the Borderlands universe. :) (I never got very far in Borderlands 2; it's hard, I'm bad at games, and they seem to have disabled the "demigod mode" cheat in the engine, which is all that got me through the first one.) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Gryphon
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Nov-16-18, 00:20 AM (EDT) |
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25. "RE: The Worst Gun Ever"
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>I should buy one of these. I have a collection of terrible guns, >see... Gods help me, I've considered it. Years ago, I showed my grandfather the Nagant revolver I'd just bought online, and he smiled and said, "Benjamin, we have the same taste in junk." :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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MuninsFire
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Sep-24-18, 01:37 PM (EDT) |
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9. "RE: The Worst Gun Ever"
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I hadn't seen this before, so this is...interesting to me. Every single design element he touches on thus far has given me an identical reaction, though - "Well, that's an interesting way to do it, but there's really no clear reason -why-...." followed by "Wait, did this guy just...not understand why other manufacturers do it different?" followed by "...this is just like Not Invented Here syndrome in the software world" I've seen some business systems that were....essentially the computer equivalent of this gun: "innovative" in their way, but a whole lot of "why?" and unnecessary nonsense to make sure it's not the standard way of doing it. In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea |
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BLUE
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Sep-25-18, 12:00 PM (EDT) |
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14. "RE: The Worst Gun Ever"
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He does a test firing at the range in a seperate video. Its about as bad as one might expect, even if he has a lucky run with one magazine. https://youtu.be/Y3fd4goVs-4 -D- "I don't tell you how to remove bullets. Don't you tell me how to make killing machines back into little girls." Captain Kaff Tagon of Tagon's Toughs, Schlock Mercenary |
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MoonEyes
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Sep-25-18, 10:35 PM (EDT) |
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16. "RE: The Worst Gun Ever"
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"I THINK that is THE most successful string of firing of a Zip 22 that I have ever seen...in my LIFE! I watched a bunch of the other videos that people have put up on these things, just to get a feel for what I should expect....NONE of them prepared me for it actually FIRING!" Which is about as text-book a case of "damning with faint praise" as you're likely to get, I think.
...! Stoke Mandeville, Esq & The Victorian Ballsmiths "Nobody Want Verdigris-Covered Balls!"
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MoonEyes
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Sep-27-18, 02:05 PM (EDT) |
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20. "RE: The Worst Gun Ever"
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>Thank you for a moment of despair for my fictional avatar, which I >will probably end up needing to write. Heeeh! Well, on the one hand, I apologize for the suffering I have caused, both real and metaphorical. On the other hand, I can't other than look forward to the image of an Ignatine with a Zip 22™ so my shame isn't enormous. It's there. But not very overwhelming. ...! Stoke Mandeville, Esq & The Victorian Ballsmiths "Nobody Want Verdigris-Covered Balls!" |
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MoonEyes
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Dec-01-18, 09:05 AM (EDT) |
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26. "RE: The Worst Gun Ever"
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LAST EDITED ON Dec-01-18 AT 09:07 AM (EST) Interestingly, I have now experienced the pain of a crap gun. Except it wasn't the gun.See, friend of mine went to GSG, famed elsewhere on the forum for their StG44 replica as bought by Gryph, and bought the M1911A1 replica. And then he went, "I got it today, wanna take it out on the range!?" And, well, I'm not stupid so off we went. Passed by the local sports store and grabbed 3 boxes of .22 and went for the pew-pewing. And I don't think we managed to empty one 10-round magazine without some sort of issue. Stove-piping, failing to feed new rounds, just plain not firing, you name it. After a LOT of scratching of head and other places, we finally concluded that the Italian "sports" .22LR that he'd bought wasn't powerful enough to properly cycle the slide all the way back, and so it returned both too quickly and too weakly to run the gun properly. The GSG page says "HV", and, well, the ammo clearly wasn't. So, it wasn't the gun that was crap, it was the ammo...but, it was still painfully annoying to have stop actually shooting. ...! Stoke Mandeville, Esq & The Victorian Ballsmiths "Nobody Want Verdigris-Covered Balls!"
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Gryphon
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Feb-24-20, 01:28 AM (EDT) |
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27. "RE: The Worst Gun Ever"
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So, I was rewatching Ian's videos on this terrible gun, and something occurred to me. According to ATF's website on the subject, to qualify for Curio & Relic status in the United States, a firearm must be at least 50 years old, be certified "of museum interest" by the curator of an officially recognized museum that exhibits firearms, or "Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event." I submit to you that the ZiP™ 22 meets that specification in spades. It's definitely novel, rare, and bizarre, and I sincerely doubt that anyone who wants one wants it for actual being-a-gun purposes. If I had one, I would be boxing it up to send off to ATF for evaluation as we speak. (You have to send them an actual example of the gun you're proposing for inclusion. The website kindly lets you know that if it's an unregistered NFA item, i.e., one you weren't supposed to have, ATF "may be unable to return" it.) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Matrix Dragon
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Feb-25-20, 06:37 AM (EDT) |
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30. "RE: The Worst Gun Ever"
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-20 AT 06:37 AM (EST) >I submit to you that the ZiP™ 22 meets that specification in >spades. It's definitely novel, rare, and bizarre, and I >sincerely doubt that anyone who wants one wants it for actual >being-a-gun purposes. Rezzing this thread meant I rewatched the video, and yeah, yeah, it definitely fits the criteria. > If I had one, I would be boxing it up to send >off to ATF for evaluation as we speak. (You have to send them an >actual example of the gun you're proposing for inclusion. I just imagine the inspector unsealing the box and staring at it for a moment. "...What in God's name is this thing?" Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter |
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