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"cPap/BiPap recall"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-21 AT 06:12 PM (EDT)
 
There's a recall out on some cPap and BiPap machines. Apparently the foam inside them is disintegrating, and can then be aspirated by those using the devices. I know there are several people here who use them, and from what I hear it's not getting a lot of coverage, so heads up.

ETA: The recall is on Philips brand machines.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: cPap/BiPap recall Gryphonadmin Jun-20-21 1
     RE: cPap/BiPap recall Gryphonadmin Jun-20-21 2
         RE: cPap/BiPap recall Terminus Est Jun-20-21 3
     RE: cPap/BiPap recall McFortner Jun-22-21 4
  RE: cPap/BiPap recall McFortner Jun-22-21 5
     RE: cPap/BiPap recall Terminus Est Jun-23-21 6
  RE: cPap/BiPap recall Star Ranger4 Jul-15-21 7
     RE: cPap/BiPap recall Gryphonadmin Jul-15-21 8
         RE: cPap/BiPap recall McFortner Jul-15-21 9
             RE: cPap/BiPap recall Lime2K Jul-16-21 10
                 RE: cPap/BiPap recall Gryphonadmin Jul-16-21 11
  RE: cPap/BiPap recall Gryphonadmin Aug-19-21 12

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Gryphonadmin
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1. "RE: cPap/BiPap recall"
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   Ah, crap, I should have posted about this. I learned about it a couple days ago (I have a Philips DreamStation, which is one of the affected models), and had a little bit of an argument with Philips's social media people about how they opened with a website saying "If you're a patient, stop using your machine and check back later."

(It now says "register here and we'll get back to you," which is not really any better. I'm getting by on the unit's retired predecessor, but people who have to turn their old machines in to their insurance companies to get a new one must be screwed.)

--G.
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2. "RE: cPap/BiPap recall"
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   Addendum: Reading between the lines a little bit, it looks like Philips can't legally come right out and say that the problem is caused by those ozone-saturation "automatic PAP cleaner" machines (which are not approved by the FDA or the manufacturer), but they make an awfully big deal out of not coming right out and saying it, if you get my drift.

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3. "RE: cPap/BiPap recall"
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   That would make a lot of sense. I'll pass the word along to the others I know to keep an eye out for further development.


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4. "RE: cPap/BiPap recall"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-22-21 AT 06:28 PM (EDT)
 
> ... (I have a Philips DreamStation, which is one of the
>affected models)

Bloody Hell, so do I. This could explain why my allergies have been driving me crazy when I wake up in the morning. And fuck me running, this won't be pleasant because my insurance is Medicare.

Michael

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5. "RE: cPap/BiPap recall"
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   Thanks for posting this, mine is one of the affected models and s/n.

Michael C. Fortner
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There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload".


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6. "RE: cPap/BiPap recall"
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   No prob. Like I said, I knew several people here use them.


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7. "RE: cPap/BiPap recall"
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   Huh. Now I know why the VA gave me a Respironics. I'd been using a Dreamstation for years (never used the gizmos Phillips cant say they believe is causing the problem) and the hose that fed my nasal mask broke.

I bet at least some in the sleep clinic had heard stories so they decided to start cycling clients out of the Phillips and into the Respironics just in case.


Of COURSE you wernt expecting it!
No One expects the FANNISH INQUISITION!
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8. "RE: cPap/BiPap recall"
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   >I bet at least some in the sleep clinic had heard stories so they
>decided to start cycling clients out of the Phillips and into the
>Respironics just in case.

Do you mean ResMed? "Respironics" is the same thing as Philips (the division of the company that makes their ventilators is Philips Respironics).

As far as I can tell, ResMed and Philips Respironics are the two big names in that kind of device, at least in North America, and have been for years. I've seen DeVilbiss and Fisher & Paykel (the latter of which sounds like a Solaris VII booking agency) in catalogs and the like as well, but they seem to be lesser players in the market.

Speaking of which, as of today it's been a full month since I stayed up all night to register my DreamStation for the recall, and I have had precisely >zero< feedback from Philips on the matter. I suspect they're assuming that everyone affected has an insurance plan and/or DME vendor that has already hooked them up with a replacement, and so there's no particular sense of urgency about the timetable of repairs--which, since I'm completely on my own with this stuff, provides a distinct flavor of the underside of the bus.

--G.
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9. "RE: cPap/BiPap recall"
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   >Speaking of which, as of today it's been a full month since I stayed
>up all night to register my DreamStation for the recall, and I have
>had precisely >zero< feedback from Philips on the matter. I suspect
>they're assuming that everyone affected has an insurance plan and/or
>DME vendor that has already hooked them up with a replacement, and so
>there's no particular sense of urgency about the timetable of
>repairs--which, since I'm completely on my own with this stuff,
>provides a distinct flavor of the underside of the bus.

Since I'm on SSDI, may I suggest from experience you try the asphalt. The oil leak from the engine of the bus adds that certain je ne sais quoi that the taste really needed. :)

I guess I'll hear back about this damn machine eventually....

Michael C. Fortner
"Maxim 37: There is no such thing as "overkill".
There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload".


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10. "RE: cPap/BiPap recall"
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   “Whenever I smell asphalt, I think of Maureen.
That's the last sensation I had, before I blacked out: the thick smell of asphalt.”

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Gryphonadmin
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11. "RE: cPap/BiPap recall"
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   >“Whenever I smell asphalt, I think of Maureen.
>That's the last sensation I had, before I blacked out: the thick smell
>of asphalt.”

She said she'd fix my CPAP. Free. No strings attached. I should've known then that things are never that simple.

--G.
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12. "RE: cPap/BiPap recall"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-19-21 AT 06:46 PM (EDT)
 
Today, two months after registering my device's serial number, I received the first email I've had from Philips about this matter. It includes the following:

"Our organization is working diligently to replace or repair devices as soon as possible. Based on current estimates of impacted devices worldwide, we are working towards completing this effort within approximately 12 months." (emphasis mine)

Farther down, it suggests: "In the meantime, please speak to your doctor concerning your therapy options. This is an important step as every patient scenario can vary and we respect the relationship between you and your physician regarding your personalized care."

Translation: They assume, as I knew they would, that everyone has an insurance company that will hook, and probably already has hooked, them up with a replacement device, so they are experiencing no sense of urgency. They can even dress their shrugging-off of the problem up as a matter of Respecting Medical Privacy.

I do not have the spoons for this shit.

--G.
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