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"Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
 
   Eminent domain is illegal in the Republic of Zeta Cygni. If the government wants to build a highway where your house is and you'd prefer to keep your house, the government is shit out of luck.

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Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County [View All] Gryphonadmin Apr-07-10 TOP
  RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County Offsides Apr-07-10 1
     RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County Verbena Apr-07-10 2
         RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County A Vile Gangster Apr-07-10 5
         RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County Offsides Apr-07-10 7
  RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County Gryphonadmin Apr-20-17 35
     RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County drakensis Apr-21-17 36
         RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County Mephronmoderator Apr-21-17 37
     RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County BLUE Apr-21-17 38
  RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County Gryphonadmin Feb-13-18 39
     RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County Mercutio Feb-14-18 40
         RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County Pasha Feb-15-18 41
     RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County McFortner Feb-15-18 42
         RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County Verbena Feb-15-18 43
         RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County Gryphonadmin Feb-15-18 44
             RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County McFortner Feb-16-18 45
                 RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County Gryphonadmin Feb-16-18 46
             RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County MuninsFire Feb-16-18 47
             RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County ebony14 Feb-16-18 48
             RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County McFortner Feb-16-18 49
             RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County rwpikul Feb-16-18 50
                 RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County McFortner Feb-17-18 51

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1. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   This strikes me as the kind of thing G & co. would do, just because it's the Right Thing™... Of course, it also strikes me as highly likely that they'd be willing to pay a reasonable price for the property plus a decent overage for the costs of moving plus the fact that you'd have to give up your house, and if told to bugger off would find an alternate plan anyway, but still - can't guarantee that whoever is in office running the place will always behave themself...

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2. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   I've had the back strip of land behind my house taken by eminent domain, for building a sound barrier. Don't get me wrong; the barrier IS effective and has been for many years. But they took the back strip from our land and graded a portion of the rest at a 30 degree incline, which we can't of course fix, and naturally we didn't get the real market value for it. It's never fair, I don't think, and of course there's a legendary case of eminent domain abuse a few years back. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198303,00.html

Frightening, isn't it? Especially the courts upholding it. What a travesty of justice.

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5. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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7. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   >I've had the back strip of land behind my house taken by eminent
>domain, for building a sound barrier. Don't get me wrong; the barrier
>IS effective and has been for many years. But they took the back strip
>from our land and graded a portion of the rest at a 30 degree incline,
>which we can't of course fix, and naturally we didn't get the real
>market value for it. It's never fair, I don't think, and of course
>there's a legendary case of eminent domain abuse a few years back.
>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198303,00.html
>
Oh, I'm not saying that existing governments give fair market value for what they take, I'm just saying that I suspect G would not only give fair market value, but also additional compensation for the additional costs of relocating as well as (monetary) intangibles if he ever made that kind of offer to someone. And while there may be occasional good reasons for moving someone out of where they live (e.g., one of the mining towns that's so polluted the entire town is considered a toxic-waste superfund site), most cases of eminent domain are clearly greedy power plays on the part of politicians and the people who line their pockets. RZC's ban prev


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35. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-20-17 AT 06:39 PM (EDT)
 
It is unlawful for a designer to specify plain slotted screws in most applications in the Republic of Zeta Cygni, because—and this is a direct quotation from the legislation—they are a monumental pain in the ass. Philips head* or GTFO. Violating this statute does not incur jail time, but there is a fine and you will get a nasty, nasty note from the Bureau of Standards.

(Oh hey, this thread was broken. Who knew? Hmm, if I get it fixed now it'll make this post go away. I'd better dupe it.)

--G.
* or Torx, or Allen, or Reed + Prince, or hex head cap screw, or fratzog lock, or whatever. The actual wording calls for "positively tool-locating fasteners".
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36. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   Not something I'd personally support because the screws I need to work with most often are on my glasses and I don't have a screwdriver small enough for them, so I usually tighten them with a penknife. It's hard enough to do that with a slot-headed screw - I'd hate to try it if they were Philips head.

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37. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   The law does say "most applications". There's probably a way to show why a slotted screw is better for an application. Or one of those weird-ass-tastic security screws used in some places for security.

But not on the sewer lids.

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38. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   Working in construction I affirm this standard. The only place slotted screws have a place is in really small applications like fire-alarm terminal blocks because the screws are so small that making them phillips head also tends to make them prone to stripping out with any torque whatsoever. As an electrician I would request a building code that makes stab-lock wiring illegal

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39. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   In the Republic of Zeta Cygni, cartridges containing "fuel" (ink, toner, plastic, pharma base molecules, carbotein slurry, what have you) for household and office desktop printers must, by law, be universally compatible by type, and universally incompatible across type. Hence, a user cannot plug a food printer cart into an inkjet printer, but will always be able to use any inket printer cartridge that comes along.

Thus is Zeta Cygni a true utopia.

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40. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   I actually know a few guys who have tried to model this in real life.

According to them, in anything even remotely resembling our current economy, what would happen is that "printing" companies would rapidly and quickly get out of the business of producing and selling ink, much in the same way that publishing companies have basically 100% outsourced the actual ink-and-page production of books. (Almost no publisher today actually owns presses.)

The price of ink cartridges would drop extremely rapidly, and they'd become commodified, in the same way that printer paper is, with almost no brand loyalty except for a few specialist companies making special inks for special purposes. However, they'd also become creatively tamper-proof unless accompanying regulations prohibiting making said cartridges non-refillable were also implemented.

In the latter case, there'd be a market segment; you'd have very cheap disposable inkjet printer carts for those that don't give a shit or are lazy, and you'd have much more expensive, but cheap to refill, printer carts for those who care to go to that effort. Think "normal batteries and rechargable ones," kind of.

The price of the printers themselves would rise somewhat-to-significantly to offset the fact that the companies designing and producing them would no longer have ink as a profit center. A number of said companies would likely seek to be acquired by larger conglomerates in order to achieve financial security and stability, and would massively shed staff as they became much more specialized, focused entities. There'd be a refocusing on enterprise-level solutions, where you CAN lock people into your ecosystem and then milk them as a profit center, unless regulations made that impossible as well.

Economists are weird, but assuming they're not Chicago School nutjobs they can be pretty interesting when they talk about minutiae like this.

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41. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   >The price of the printers themselves would rise
>somewhat-to-significantly to offset the fact that the companies
>designing and producing them would no longer have ink as a profit
>center. A number of said companies would likely seek to be acquired by

It's interesting to see how this is starting to shape out in the 3d printing world, where the value add for "buy filament from us that only works in this printer" is "it can tell our proprietary software what it is, and so change feed rates/temperatures/etc"

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42. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   I'm surprised that the printers aren't all like the EcoTank printers that Epson is selling now where you just refill the tanks on the side of the printer with fresh ink when needed.

I have a continuous ink supply system (a.k.a. CISS) on my Epson WorkForce printer. Since the cartridges for it don't have the print heads built in, you can have a tanks off to the side of the printer feeding the cartridges with ink. Saves me a lot on printer costs.

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43. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   I'm not surprised in the slightest that printers work this way.

Of course, the free market that makes many printer companies want to create proprietary, expensive cartridges is also the same free market that made Epson make the CISS system you refer to. It's all about doing the research and finding out what's not heavily advertised...and which company is trying to undercut the market by innovating, rather than maximizing profit in a predatory way.

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44. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   >I'm surprised that the printers aren't all like the EcoTank printers
>that Epson is selling now where you just refill the tanks on the side
>of the printer with fresh ink when needed.

That's an option, although in the 25th century, most consumers don't really want to fool around with refilling tanks and all that rigmarole. Of course, the really high-end ones have supply wormholes, so you just turn them on and print forever.

(Or, if you know the right curio dealers, you can get one of the Torilian ones, which have a magical connection to the Para-Elemental Plane of Ink. I might be lying about that. :)

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45. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   What, no transmat ink supply system? They have them for Coke machines, for crying out loud.... :D


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46. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   >What, no transmat ink supply system? They have them for Coke
>machines, for crying out loud.... :D

>>the really high-end ones have supply wormholes

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47. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   Hrmph. Para-elemental plane of ink's gonna necessitate revising the old saw warning against picking a fight with those who buy ink by the barrel...

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48. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   >(Or, if you know the right curio dealers, you can get one of the
>Torilian ones, which have a magical connection to the Para-Elemental
>Plane of Ink. I might be lying about that. :)

I'm sure the Barsaivan ones are fueled by a node of True Ink, the most pure form of the element, and therefore never run out either.

True Ink is also required to make Inkalcum, which is messier than Orachalcum, and therefore less popular.

This is 100% true, if you ask the certain enterprising t'skrang merchants.

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49. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   >(Or, if you know the right curio dealers, you can get one of the
>Torilian ones, which have a magical connection to the Para-Elemental
>Plane of Ink.

That reminds me of the story of Martzig the Mad Warrior-Mage who tried making a sword from Para-Elemental Ink. Boy, was his face red after the first test.

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50. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   >>I'm surprised that the printers aren't all like the EcoTank printers
>>that Epson is selling now where you just refill the tanks on the side
>>of the printer with fresh ink when needed.
>
>That's an option, although in the 25th century, most consumers don't
>really want to fool around with refilling tanks and all that
>rigmarole.

Speaking as someone with an EcoTank printer: The only increase in rigmarole is that you have to wait for the bottle to empty/tank to fill¹. In exchange you only handle one thing during a refill, (as there is no expended cartridge to dispose of).

The size of the tanks also means you don't have to refill them as often as you would have to change cartridges.


1: The bottles and tank have integrated valves so that you just plug in the bottle and wait, no pouring or anything and it stops when the tank is full. They are also keyed by colour so that you can't plug the wrong one in without intentionally taking a knife or something to the bottle.

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51. "RE: Things You Didn't Know About Avalon County"
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   When My CISS equipped WorkForce 435 finally dies I'll probably go with an EcoTank. I've never had problems filling the tanks on the CISS, but it could be how anal I am when it comes to filling and handling the tanks.

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