[ EPU Foyer ] [ Lab and Grill ] [ Bonus Theater!! ] [ Rhetorical Questions ] [ CSRANTronix ] [ GNDN ] [ Subterranean Vault ] [ Discussion Forum ] [ Gun of the Week ]

Eyrie Productions, Unlimited

Subject: "Forward Momentum" Archived thread - Read only
 
  Previous Topic | Next Topic
Printer-friendly copy    
Conferences Undocumented Features General Topic #2280
Reading Topic #2280
Pasha
Charter Member
965 posts
Nov-08-07, 06:02 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Pasha Click to send private message to Pasha Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via ICQ  
"Forward Momentum"
 
   So...Sara is what, Flashette?

As soon as there was a boom, with the pack of chemicals, I was like "Hey! Sara's the Flash now!". Then I was confused when Barry Allen was the Dayshift lab guy. Makes sense now, however. :)

Also, dude, "No, I don't think you can"? Best response to "I could have shot you or something!"

--
-Pasha
"I invented Warp Drive, whatta ya got?"
"I'm the Norse God of Mecha."
"Well, I guess you win then."


  Printer-friendly page | Top

  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-08-07 1
     RE: Forward Momentum SpottedKitty Nov-08-07 2
         RE: Forward Momentum Verbena Nov-08-07 6
             RE: Forward Momentum Apostate_Soul Nov-09-07 23
                 RE: Forward Momentum mdg1 Nov-10-07 28
                     RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-10-07 29
                     RE: Forward Momentum Norgarth Nov-10-07 31
         RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-08-07 7
             RE: Forward Momentum Angryoptimist Nov-11-07 35
  RE: Forward Momentum clg Nov-08-07 3
     RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-08-07 8
  RE: Forward Momentum Rickdominated Nov-08-07 4
     RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-08-07 5
         RE: Forward Momentum Rickdominated Nov-08-07 9
             RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-08-07 10
                 RE: Forward Momentum Matrix Dragon Nov-08-07 11
                     RE: Forward Momentum Leafdance Nov-09-07 12
  RE: Forward Momentum BZArchermoderator Nov-09-07 13
  RE: Forward Momentum Meagen Nov-09-07 14
     RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-09-07 16
  RE: Forward Momentum cyberpagan Nov-09-07 15
     RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-09-07 17
         RE: Forward Momentum Pasha Nov-09-07 18
             RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-09-07 19
                 RE: Forward Momentum Pasha Nov-09-07 20
             RE: Forward Momentum simonz Nov-09-07 21
     RE: Forward Momentum Peter Eng Nov-09-07 22
     RE: Forward Momentum Nathan Nov-16-07 50
  RE: Forward Momentum Apostate_Soul Nov-09-07 24
     RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-09-07 25
         RE: Forward Momentum jadmire Nov-09-07 26
         RE: Forward Momentum Silversword Nov-10-07 27
         RE: Forward Momentum The Wanderer Nov-11-07 33
             RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-11-07 34
                 RE: Forward Momentum The Wanderer Nov-11-07 36
                 RE: Forward Momentum dstar Nov-11-07 37
                     RE: Forward Momentum Senji Nov-12-07 39
                         RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-12-07 40
                 RE: Forward Momentum laudre Nov-11-07 38
  RE: Forward Momentum Tzukumori Nov-10-07 30
  RE: Forward Momentum kenabi Nov-11-07 32
  RE: Forward Momentum VA_Wanderer Nov-12-07 41
     RE: Forward Momentum Peter Eng Nov-13-07 44
         RE: Forward Momentum Senji Nov-15-07 46
  RE: Forward Momentum Star Ranger4 Nov-13-07 42
     RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-13-07 43
         RE: Forward Momentum Star Ranger4 Nov-14-07 45
         RE: Forward Momentum Pasha Nov-16-07 47
             RE: Forward Momentum Gryphonadmin Nov-16-07 48
                 RE: Forward Momentum Pasha Nov-16-07 49
                     RE: Forward Momentum Wedge Nov-16-07 51
                         RE: Forward Momentum Star Ranger4 Nov-16-07 52
                     RE: Forward Momentum Peter Eng Nov-19-07 53
                     RE: Forward Momentum MoonEyes Nov-19-07 54

Conferences | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-08-07, 06:12 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
1. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #0
 
   LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-07 AT 08:28 PM (EST)
 
>So...Sara is what, Flashette?

You're not the Flash unless you put on the red outfit. Right now she's apparently content simply to be Sara Sidle, fastest (Salusian) criminalist alive.

Although, amusingly enough, when I first started fooling around with this draft I happened - entirely by coincidence - to run across a picture someone did on the Web someplace of a female Flash in the Bruce Timm style, and she happened to be a brunette.

Ah, here it is. I knew I'd saved a copy someplace. Original provenance long since forgotten:

I don't know if I'd call it the inspiration for this piece - in fact, I know I wouldn't, since I'd started on it before I ran across the picture - but it was certainly one of those "well, okay, perhaps the universe is telling me something" moments. :)

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
SpottedKitty
Member since Jun-15-04
495 posts
Nov-08-07, 06:26 PM (EST)
Click to EMail SpottedKitty Click to send private message to SpottedKitty Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
2. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #1
 
   LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-07 AT 06:50 PM (EST)
 
I've just got one comment (so far) Gryph.

"Agatha Heterodyne goggles"...? "I'm doing Science..."

<giggles insanely> Another Girl Genius fan, I take it?

Edit: Argh, cliffhanger...

--
Unable to save the day: File is read-only.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Verbena
Charter Member
771 posts
Nov-08-07, 08:25 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Verbena Click to send private message to Verbena Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
6. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #2
 
   There's other Girl Genius fans here! Yes!

For SCIENCE!

(And if the CSI night crew is looking for a better coffee maker, I have a recommendation...)

As for the story itself, that was a lot of fun. It's really good to see you're back, Gryphon, and you haven't lost the touch.

"They say one should not speak unkindly of the dead, so I say, 'nice try'." --Lezard


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Apostate_Soul
Member since Aug-22-08
155 posts
Nov-09-07, 07:15 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Apostate_Soul Click to send private message to Apostate_Soul Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
23. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #6
 
  
And that makes three Girl Genius Fans!
____________________

"It's difficult keeping up with the cross-continuity, but I think Cosmouse just gave The Saturnian Scraphunter his Ultimate Pacifier to use against Galactapuss..."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
mdg1
Member since Aug-25-04
1187 posts
Nov-10-07, 09:52 AM (EST)
Click to EMail mdg1 Click to send private message to mdg1 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
28. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #23
 
   Four. I even did a panel on it (well, technically steampunk, but anyway) last Arisia. :)

I'm trying to think if the other drugs will have any effect. I can see the Anodyne and the Velocity-9 combining to give her Flash-like powers, but I don't see how a hallucinogen or a Hulk-drug would fit.

Mario


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-10-07, 11:19 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
29. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #28
 
   >I'm trying to think if the other drugs will have any effect. I can see
>the Anodyne and the Velocity-9 combining to give her Flash-like
>powers, but I don't see how a hallucinogen or a Hulk-drug would fit.

It's not necessarily a given that they do, or even that the other two have the effects one would expect under normal circumstances. I mean, at 10,000% power, who knows what the hell was going on inside that chamber, atomically speaking? That's part of what makes the incident more or less irreproducible.

--G.
<"I'm a scientific anomaly. Go me!">
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Norgarth
Member since Jun-18-02
360 posts
Nov-10-07, 06:49 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Norgarth Click to send private message to Norgarth Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
31. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #28
 
   LAST EDITED ON Nov-10-07 AT 06:51 PM (EST)
 
>Four. I even did a panel on it (well, technically steampunk, but
>anyway) last Arisia. :)
>
Five. 8)

>I'm trying to think if the other drugs will have any effect. I can see
>the Anodyne and the Velocity-9 combining to give her Flash-like
>powers, but I don't see how a hallucinogen or a Hulk-drug would fit.

from the story:

Chemical studies of the substances she'd been exposed to proved
fruitless. Nobody could predict what any of them might have become when
exposed to an environment such as must have been inside that collision
chamber before the bulkhead blew. Every calculation, every act of
scientific prediction, Sara tried gave her back the same result. Caught
in the blast radius of the exploding supercollider, it shouldn't have
mattered -what- was being studied in there - she should have been
vaporized. Since she clearly hadn't been, she had to conclude, however
reluctantly, that for once conventional science had no answer.

As I recall, the chemicals that Barry was splashed with were all convetional ones, didn't slow him down any. I suspect that the fact that two of the drugs were metabolic enhancers was merely coincidental in Sara gaining superspeed.

(edit: stupid typos 8P )

-------------
Lead me not to temptation, for I can find it myself.

Norgarth


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-08-07, 08:27 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
7. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #2
 
   LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-07 AT 08:31 PM (EST)
 
>Another Girl Genius fan, I take it?

Well, Greg and Sara are, anyway. My own exposure is mostly second-hand.

>Argh, cliffhanger...

It wasn't originally going to have one, funnily enough - I was going to end it with the Chief saying, "Ahh, I wouldn't say that." It was Chad who pointed out that it would have more impact if the episode both started and ended with a CSI having an Unfortunate Accident, rather than opening two straight episodes with such an incident, which was the original plan.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Angryoptimist
Charter Member
Nov-11-07, 02:02 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Angryoptimist Click to send private message to Angryoptimist Click to add this user to your buddy list  
35. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #7
 
   >It wasn't originally going to have one, funnily enough - I was going
>to end it with the Chief saying, "Ahh, I wouldn't say that." It was
>Chad who pointed out that it would have more impact if the episode
>both started and ended with a CSI having an Unfortunate Accident,
>rather than opening two straight episodes with such an
>incident, which was the original plan.

I think that was actually a pretty nice cliffhanger. That is to say: while it achieves it's goal, it doesn't do so at the expense of making the this part of the story less satisfying. I felt pretty satisfied in my reading of it, anyway. VERY NICEVery nice.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
clg
Member since Sep-20-05
108 posts
Nov-08-07, 07:38 PM (EST)
Click to EMail clg Click to send private message to clg Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
3. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #0
 
   > Ten minutes later, Barry Allen was in the Chief's office on
> the 38th floor, looking a bit sheepish.
> Gryphon gazed across his desk at Allen for a few moments, then
> sighed and said, "Barry... "
> "I know," Allen said at once. "I'm sorry. It'll never happen
> again."
> "Good," Gryphon said, nodding. "Bad enough you did it -once-.
> I've wanted to sock that son of a bitch all -morning-, but now it'd be
> redundant."

... I remember this passage. From the fora, a year ago maybe? How long have you been working on this?

> "This new collider is sweet," Greg observed while helping her
> out with one of the tests. "Ecklie should've blown this place up years
> ago."

-SNRK-

- Chad

- Chad


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-08-07, 08:30 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
8. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #3
 
   >... I remember this passage. From the fora, a year ago maybe? How
>long have you been working on this?

I'm not sure. I think I started on it not long after we finished Parallel Lines.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Rickdominated
Member since Jul-29-15
8 posts
Nov-08-07, 07:52 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Rickdominated Click to send private message to Rickdominated Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
4. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #0
 
   *mumbles something about cliffhangers*
I really have to start watching CSI one of these days, if only to keep straight whose who. (I'm a Law and Order kinda guy myself)
So, can it please be Flashette time?


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-08-07, 08:07 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
5. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #4
 
   >So, can it please be Flashette time?

As it happens, that's a more complex question than you might think.

--G.
(what would a two-part episode be without a cliffhanger?)
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Rickdominated
Member since Jul-29-15
8 posts
Nov-08-07, 08:31 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Rickdominated Click to send private message to Rickdominated Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
9. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #5
 
   LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-07 AT 08:34 PM (EST)
 
>>(what would a two-part episode be without a cliffhanger?)
Indeed, I guess.
But it at least with most cliffhangers we only have to wait a week or so. With the whole literary process thing, its not always as easy waiting.
Oh well, I'll be watching that CSI and Without a Trace crossover tonight...
And wondering (As I always do) "Why isn't such and such character a Salusian?"


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-08-07, 08:33 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
10. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #9
 
   >Oh well, I'll be watching that CSI and Without a Trace crossover
>tonight...

Indeed, I expect to be deeply confused by that, as a) I've never watched Without a Trace and b) I've seen, maybe, two episodes of CSI that weren't part of the first four seasons, and no doubt all kinds of screwy things have happened since "Bloodlines" (the season 4 finale)

--G.
(what? box sets are expensive, yo)
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Matrix Dragon
Charter Member
1731 posts
Nov-08-07, 09:19 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Matrix%20Dragon Click to send private message to Matrix%20Dragon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
11. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #10
 
   >>Oh well, I'll be watching that CSI and Without a Trace crossover
>>tonight...
>
>Indeed, I expect to be deeply confused by that, as a) I've never
>watched Without a Trace and b) I've seen, maybe, two episodes
>of CSI that weren't part of the first four seasons, and no
>doubt all kinds of screwy things have happened since "Bloodlines" (the
>season 4 finale)

*Snickers* I had the same thing happen when I read the teaser for this story, wandering over to Wiki for a look. It doesn't match what I remember at all, leading for a mind-broken moment or three.

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Leafdance
Member since Dec-10-13
4 posts
Nov-09-07, 02:31 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Leafdance Click to send private message to Leafdance Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
12. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #11
 
   Wheeeeeeeee and several snerks....agree with the "No i don't think you could bein' one of the best replies to i could have shot you. all hail the powerful gryphon

Carpe librum!


  Printer-friendly page | Top
BZArchermoderator
Member since Nov-9-05
1668 posts
Nov-09-07, 07:54 AM (EST)
Click to EMail BZArcher Click to send private message to BZArcher Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
13. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #0
 
   It was awesome to see so many teasers paid off here.

But the ending...oh, dear. C'mon, Nick!

---------------------------
Matt "BZArcher" Wagner
@BZArcher / bzarcher at gmail
"Here's an itemized list of 30
years of disagreements!"


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Meagen
Member since Jul-14-02
551 posts
Nov-09-07, 09:15 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Meagen Click to send private message to Meagen Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
14. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #0
 
   One thing puzzles me...

CSI: NEW AVALON
<107> Forward Momentum

I presume the <107> stands for "season 1, episode 7", but I can't quite figure out where the previous 6 are.

--
With great power come great perks.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-09-07, 11:49 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
16. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #14
 
   >One thing puzzles me...
>
>
CSI: NEW AVALON 
><107> Forward Momentum

>
>I presume the <107> stands for "season 1, episode 7", but I can't
>quite figure out where the previous 6 are.

We haven't seen them all. Parallel Lines, the second episode in story terms, has production code 102/103 (it's a "two-hour" episode), but Locard's Exchange is episode 100; we haven't seen episode 101 either.

The assumption is essentially that it's not like the night shift has just been lying around having a nap since December (when Parallel Lines took place), we just haven't seen what they've been up to. :)

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
cyberpagan
Charter Member
174 posts
Nov-09-07, 11:18 AM (EST)
Click to EMail cyberpagan Click to send private message to cyberpagan Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
15. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #0
 
   Actually, I thought Gryph WAS a doctor. Didn't he pick up an MD during the exile?

******************************
Remember, two wrongs do not make a right, but three lefts do.

I'm really here, but I'm not here, really.
******************************
RCW#665 the other neighbor of the beast


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-09-07, 11:50 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
17. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #15
 
   >Actually, I thought Gryph WAS a doctor. Didn't he pick up an MD during
>the exile?

Not that I can recall, and if I can't, neither can he. :)

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Pasha
Charter Member
965 posts
Nov-09-07, 12:35 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Pasha Click to send private message to Pasha Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via ICQ  
18. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #17
 
   >>Actually, I thought Gryph WAS a doctor. Didn't he pick up an MD during
>>the exile?
>
>Not that I can recall, and if I can't, neither can he. :)
>

IIRC, he was a medical student when Yuri ran into him after he Aced the boomer in the parking lot.

--
-Pasha
"I invented Warp Drive, whatta ya got?"
"I'm the Norse God of Mecha."
"Well, I guess you win then."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-09-07, 12:51 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
19. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #18
 
   >IIRC, he was a medical student when Yuri ran into him after he Aced
>the boomer in the parking lot.

Given that he left the planet the following day, it's reasonably safe to assume he didn't complete that degree program...

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Pasha
Charter Member
965 posts
Nov-09-07, 02:01 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Pasha Click to send private message to Pasha Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via ICQ  
20. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #19
 
   >>IIRC, he was a medical student when Yuri ran into him after he Aced
>>the boomer in the parking lot.
>
>Given that he left the planet the following day, it's reasonably safe
>to assume he didn't complete that degree program...
>

Yes, I agree. I was just citing where they might have gotten the idea that he had picked up an MD...

--
-Pasha
"I invented Warp Drive, whatta ya got?"
"I'm the Norse God of Mecha."
"Well, I guess you win then."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
simonz
Member since Jun-23-04
86 posts
Nov-09-07, 03:27 PM (EST)
Click to EMail simonz Click to send private message to simonz Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM Click to send message via ICQ  
21. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #18
 
   15min of exhaustive use of the grep command on my UF directory found no trace of UF Gryph ever getting one. He never specifies what degree he was working on at Salusia Tech in 'On a Winter's Day', and never refers to the time in any other place I can find. Gryph did pick up a medical degree in Hopelessly Lost, so that's probably where the idea came from.

Simonz


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Peter Eng
Charter Member
1454 posts
Nov-09-07, 06:14 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Peter%20Eng Click to send private message to Peter%20Eng Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
22. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #15
 
   >Actually, I thought Gryph WAS a doctor. Didn't he pick up an MD during
>the exile?
>

Considering the nature of his life during the Exile, I'd bet that he didn't add much in the way of formally recognized improvements to his skills.

Peter Eng
--
I'm only a Charter Member because of the DCForum upgrade, and because there's no rank below "Clueless F!wit."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Nathan
Charter Member
1324 posts
Nov-16-07, 07:48 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Nathan Click to send private message to Nathan Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
50. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #15
 
   >Actually, I thought Gryph WAS a doctor. Didn't he pick up an MD during
>the exile?

That was the Hopelessly Lost version, whose other primary qualification was being a Shaolin Monk.

Ja,
-n


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Apostate_Soul
Member since Aug-22-08
155 posts
Nov-09-07, 07:20 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Apostate_Soul Click to send private message to Apostate_Soul Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
24. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #0
 
   LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-07 AT 08:15 PM (EST)
 
What with Freelance Intel/CounterIdiot work, nailbiting job interview and assessments, and Federation Security work over the past couple of weeks, and all the stress that they've caused, I really needed to read this, Gryphon.

Nothing like a little of the CSI:NA characters to make me feel much better!

Edit: Grammar check...

"What do you, have her on a Miraculon drip?"

Surely, "What, do you..."?
____________________

"It's difficult keeping up with the cross-continuity, but I think Cosmouse just gave The Saturnian Scraphunter his Ultimate Pacifier to use against Galactapuss..."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-09-07, 08:23 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
25. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #24
 
   >"What do you, have her on a Miraculon drip?"
>
>Surely, "What, do you..."?

This must be a regionalism people outside my neck of the woods aren't familiar with, because someone attempts to "correct" it every time I use it. I assure you, in conversational use the comma is right where I put it.

(SEE ALSO: "What are you, a comedian?")

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
jadmire
Charter Member
Nov-09-07, 09:59 PM (EST)
Click to EMail jadmire Click to send private message to jadmire Click to add this user to your buddy list  
26. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #25
 
   Let us assume that Maine English becomes the received dialect of Standard in the Republic of Zeta Cygni. Problem solved. :)

-Joe-


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Silversword
Member since Jan-4-05
74 posts
Nov-10-07, 05:37 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Silversword Click to send private message to Silversword Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
27. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #25
 
   I dunno, I'd have slipped straight into "What, do you..." but still used, "What are you, a...". Phrasing varies based on intent. Or at least, whether I'd be using "are" or "do".

I can, just about, read the original in the intended manner, but it doesn't feel quite so natural if I try and read it that way.

~Silv'


  Printer-friendly page | Top
The Wanderer
Member since Jun-18-14
1 posts
Nov-11-07, 08:51 AM (EST)
Click to EMail The%20Wanderer Click to send private message to The%20Wanderer Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM  
33. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #25
 
   >>"What do you, have her on a Miraculon drip?"
>>
>>Surely, "What, do you..."?
>
>This must be a regionalism people outside my neck of the woods aren't
>familiar with, because someone attempts to "correct" it every time I
>use it. I assure you, in conversational use the comma is right where
>I put it.
>
>(SEE ALSO: "What are you, a comedian?")

I hail from variously Indiana, Vermont, New Mexico, New York and Maryland, and am quite familiar with "What are you, ..." forms, but as far as I recall I have never before encountered "What do you, ...". The former seem natural to me, the latter do not.

I suspect that the difference lies in the fact that "What are you?" is a perfectly valid sentence on its own, but to my experience "What do you? would defintely not be.

Not claiming you're necessarily wrong - if you say this is standard usage in your neck of the woods, I have no reason to doubt you, strange though it seems - just explaining why it might be reasonable for people to think the usage is wrong.


(Somewhat more on the overall topic: I agree with many others that this is another very good piece, and with several others that the cliffhanger is just painful - the more so because the only idea we have of how long it is likely to be before the next segment is "probably quite a while".

And I'm going to have to read it again, because I just realized that I forgot to extract the songlist into a separate file while going through the first time... <grin>)


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-11-07, 11:30 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
34. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #33
 
   >I hail from variously Indiana, Vermont, New Mexico, New York and
>Maryland, and am quite familiar with "What are you, ..." forms, but as
>far as I recall I have never before encountered "What do you, ...".
>The former seem natural to me, the latter do not.

Here's the funny part, if by funny you mean mind-bendingly frustrating, about this branch of the thread: The character who says it? Is me. And I think maybe I know how I talk.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
The Wanderer
Member since Jun-18-14
1 posts
Nov-11-07, 02:12 PM (EST)
Click to EMail The%20Wanderer Click to send private message to The%20Wanderer Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM  
36. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #34
 
   LAST EDITED ON Nov-11-07 AT 09:08 PM (EST)
 
>Here's the funny part, if by funny you mean mind-bendingly
>frustrating, about this branch of the thread: The character who says
>it? Is me. And I think maybe I know how I talk.

Seems king of plausible to me as well.

Again: I am not trying to say you're wrong on this. (I am well aware that my own sphere of experience does not cover everything there is to be known.)

I simply wanted to note that A: there are people who consider the usage you pointed out for comparison to be "correct" (however that's defined) who would nevertheless expect the other not to be, and B: this expectation - while apparently incorrect - is not on the face of it unreasonable.

By doing so I seem to have helped raise your blood pressure, which is definitely not something I'm interested in contributing to, so I'll shut up on the topic from this point.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
dstar
Member since Oct-19-02
153 posts
Nov-11-07, 06:48 PM (EST)
Click to EMail dstar Click to send private message to dstar Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
37. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #34
 
   >
>Here's the funny part, if by funny you mean mind-bendingly
>frustrating, about this branch of the thread: The character who says
>it? Is me. And I think maybe I know how I talk.

I feel your pain. As a writer who grew up in Oklahoma and Arkansas, spent most of a decade in New Orleans, and now lives in Dallas, having beta readers who are in the northeast and the UK gets... interesting. Sometimes we know that what we're doing is a colloquialism, but sometimes we just go "Bwah?" and shake our heads, because it seems perfectly normal to us.

Shalon Wood


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Senji
Member since Apr-27-07
168 posts
Nov-12-07, 07:07 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Senji Click to send private message to Senji Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
39. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #37
 
   >>Here's the funny part, if by funny you mean mind-bendingly
>>frustrating, about this branch of the thread: The character who says
>>it? Is me. And I think maybe I know how I talk.
>
>I feel your pain. As a writer who grew up in Oklahoma and Arkansas,
>spent most of a decade in New Orleans, and now lives in Dallas, having
>beta readers who are in the northeast and the UK gets... interesting.
>Sometimes we know that what we're doing is a colloquialism, but
>sometimes we just go "Bwah?" and shake our heads, because it seems
>perfectly normal to us.

Of course this is why, in things like the Harry Potter fandom, we have people like myself who over the service of "Britpicking" (not that there's any one true British speach pattern, but it's a start). I've never heard of a similar thing for US-based fandoms though.

And, of course, in this case G's entirely right. :) For some reason I didn't even notice the comma in question there, reading it in my own idiom (but I suspect I'd probably hear it in my own idiom too, because my brain would interpret it as an accental rather than idiomatic difference).

Hmm, I seem to be rambling to nowhere, so I'll stop.

S.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-12-07, 10:56 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
40. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #39
 
   >I've never heard of a similar thing for US-based fandoms though.

Well, thank God for that.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
laudre
Member since Nov-14-06
428 posts
Nov-11-07, 10:41 PM (EST)
Click to EMail laudre Click to send private message to laudre Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM  
38. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #34
 
   LAST EDITED ON Nov-11-07 AT 10:43 PM (EST)
 
>>I hail from variously Indiana, Vermont, New Mexico, New York and
>>Maryland, and am quite familiar with "What are you, ..." forms, but as
>>far as I recall I have never before encountered "What do you, ...".
>>The former seem natural to me, the latter do not.
>
>Here's the funny part, if by funny you mean mind-bendingly
>frustrating, about this branch of the thread: The character who says
>it? Is me. And I think maybe I know how I talk.

Oh, the joys of local dialect :). I'll admit, it's not a peculiarity I have any distinct memory of encountering, not even when I lived in Connecticut or visited family in Vermont, but it does remind me of some Queens natives of my acquaintance complaining about the southern-central Connecticut dialect's usage of the phrase "all set" as a sort of idiomatic Swiss Army knife. And reminds of this post at Overheard in New York.

To go back on topic, I enjoyed this story quite a bit, honestly. I've generally enjoyed the CSI: NA stuff, and I don't like the CSI TV series; the actual shows take far too many liberties with both science and police procedure for me to be able to suspend disbelief, but setting it in UF, on New Avalon, means such liberties are perfectly in-genre. Add to that a significant supporting role played by one of my favorite superheroes, and I was quite pleased :).

Though, I can't help wondering, since it was mentioned; does Wally, in this continuity, also share Barry's origin? Or are you saving that for a story?

- Sean
"All tribal myths are true, for a given value of 'true.'"
-- Terry Pratchett, from _The Last Continent_


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Tzukumori
Member since Jul-9-03
95 posts
Nov-10-07, 04:51 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Tzukumori Click to send private message to Tzukumori Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
30. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #0
 
   Yay, more CSI:NA!

Good to see that you're back into the swing of things, Gryph. Thanks for this latest installment.

As for the cliffhanger, I felt robbed at first, but then I went back and read it again (without a 2-day break in between due to work this time), and it does flow well, prepping a set-up for part 2. In my mind's theatre, I hear the fading police sirens as the screen fades to black, followed by the credits:

Executive Producer:
Benjamin D. Hutchins

Feels just like the real thing.

Looking forward to the next installment,
-T.Z.

==================================================

"I believe that when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.
Then find someone whose life gives them vodka and have a party."
--Ron White, stand-up comedian.

==================================================


  Printer-friendly page | Top
kenabi
Member since Jul-4-14
1 posts
Nov-11-07, 04:06 AM (EST)
Click to EMail kenabi Click to send private message to kenabi Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
32. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #0
 
   and all i can think about after finishing it is:

ARGH! ANOTHER CLIFFHANGER @_@ CURSE YOU GRYPHON!@#

but yeah, keep it coming. ^_^


  Printer-friendly page | Top
VA_Wanderer
Charter Member
Nov-12-07, 01:40 PM (EST)
Click to EMail VA_Wanderer Click to send private message to VA_Wanderer Click to add this user to your buddy list  
41. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #0
 
   >So...Sara is what, Flashette?
>
>As soon as there was a boom, with the pack of chemicals, I was like
>"Hey! Sara's the Flash now!". Then I was confused when Barry Allen
>was the Dayshift lab guy. Makes sense now, however. :)
>

Actually, the second I saw Zoom's (Thawne) name mentioned, it made perfect sense.

In the DC universe, Zoom manages to reproduce the chemical bath that gave Allen his connection to the Speed Force. If the 4 street drugs (all accelerants of some kind, depending on body chemistry) are derivatives of that research, then combined with the luck-of-the-draw energy feed you get a potential "Flash Treatment" and the World's Fastest CSI Member. And why would Big Fire be worried? What are the odds someone would put all those chemicals together and hit it with a supercollider at 10,000 percent of spec power? :)

If that little tidbit came out would neatly pin some or all of those street drugs squarely on Big Fire and Zoom in particular, but alas for the lack of cross-universe info sources...


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Peter Eng
Charter Member
1454 posts
Nov-13-07, 09:58 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Peter%20Eng Click to send private message to Peter%20Eng Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
44. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #41
 
   >
>In the DC universe, Zoom manages to reproduce the chemical bath that
>gave Allen his connection to the Speed Force. If the 4 street drugs
>(all accelerants of some kind, depending on body chemistry) are
>derivatives of that research, then combined with the luck-of-the-draw
>energy feed you get a potential "Flash Treatment" and the World's
>Fastest CSI Member. And why would Big Fire be worried? What are the
>odds someone would put all those chemicals together and hit it with a
>supercollider at 10,000 percent of spec power? :)
>

There's also the reasonable assumption that even if somebody did that on purpose, the most likely result would be a painful death.

Peter Eng
--
I'm only a Charter Member because of the DCForum upgrade, and because there's no rank below "Clueless F!wit."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Senji
Member since Apr-27-07
168 posts
Nov-15-07, 07:27 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Senji Click to send private message to Senji Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
46. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #44
 
   >There's also the reasonable assumption that even if somebody did that
>on purpose, the most likely result would be a painful death.
>
"...an unfortunate accident with an irrational particle accelerator, a liquid lunch, and a pair of rubber bands. The precise details are not important because no one has ever managed to duplicate the exact circumstances under which it happened, and many people have ended up looking very silly, or dead, or both, trying."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Star Ranger4
Charter Member
2207 posts
Nov-13-07, 08:15 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Star%20Ranger4 Click to send private message to Star%20Ranger4 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM  
42. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #0
 
   Ohh Goodie! Its finally here...

Sorry all if stream of conciounes commentary is passe... i just couldnt Passe it up.
<Play rimshot.mp3>

> Her white lab coat was smudged and stained, her clothes were rumpled,
> her hair wasn't much better off, and her eyes had that too-bright
> intensity that meant she'd been at whatever she was doing for longer
> than was strictly healthy.

In other words, typical UF-Sara...


> taking on an earnest look. "Listen, we need to get this place cleaned
> up some before Grissom shows up and - "
> " - starts finishing your sentences for you?" came the voice

Dvhil... Just how DOES Gil do that??? Ancient Salusian secret, I guess!

> "It could be worse," he pointed out helpfully. "You could
> still be in there... "
> Greg turned around, the look of mingled panic and fury on his
> face startling Nick into silence.
> "Sara -is- still in there!"

Poor Nick. He does seem to draw the short stick as far as having clue anvils dropped on him, doesnt he?

> Compton considered saying "no" just to see what would happen,
> decided against it.

Wise man... Especially since at the moment he doesnt know what Catherine and Brass know. Saying no would have just made things even harder on him.

> "Why do they always think playing dumb will help?" Catherine
> wondered rhetorically.

Mostly because they've all seen so many cop shows its ingrained into their heads... admit nothing until forced into it? Not that it actually applies this time around.

> "And what certification would you need to work on a son of a
> bitch?" Brass asked archly.

A good right hook if you ask me...

> "I don't appreciate having to get up in the middle of the
> night to clean up your messes, Gil," he said with cordial venom.

Or maybe we should go straight to a kick in the groin? Laughing boy doesnt know it, but there's a passage in a song about what he's doing here: "One foot in the hole, one foot digging deeper..."

> "Oh, -that-," he said. "That interlock was defective, Gil.
> It kept kicking the damn thing offline whenever the power level went
> above 100%, so every time I needed to check something at 105, I had to
> go into the damned equipment room and reset it three or four times.

In other words... IT WORKED EXACTLY LIKE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO. An just WHAT exactly is 'Gods gift to self importance' DOING with it? Its not like he's the hands on type. THats what he has people like Barry Allen for.

> "As near as we can calculate, Sara Sidle was standing three feet
> away from the unit when that happened," Grissom went on. Then his voice
> suddenly lost its conversational tone, becoming as cold and hard as his eyes

In other words, that same voice hundreds of perps have come to hate... that of Justice being pronounced as he reveals the key bit of fact that puts them away.

> Ecklie's frayed patience parted. "What are you getting so
> worked up about, Barry?" he snapped. "YOU weren't dumb enough to blow
> yourself up with it!"
> Allen stared at his former boss with a look of disbelief for a
> second -
> - and then socked him in the jaw, sending him clean over
> backward.

GO BARRY! Now wait a sec... Barry Allen. Barry Allen... I know I've heard that name somewhere before. And as much as Echly deserves getting punched, it seems like he's pushing buttons he doesnt know he's pushing as well?

> "Two, three months, that's all I need," Gryphon assured him.
> "I've already got a candidate in mind, I just have to figure out how
> to pry him out of the cushy job he already has."

Argh! More suspense... I suppose UF-G could mean Barry himself, but somehow I doubt it. And HE implies a male; probobly someone we already know. And while G could be talking about a certain Mythbuster who's done everything, he wouldnt really NEED to pry him out of MI-5, Jamies offered his services if needed.

> Before Dr. B.J. Hunnicut had finished speaking his name,
> Gryphon was on his feet, the movement so quick and fluid that the
> charge nurse, who had been convinced the man was in fact asleep,
> started slightly.

And that actually is one of the benifits of the sort of meditation G was doing. If neccecary, he could have been sleeping and still switched back into full awake that fast.

> Cameron smiled. "With no recommendation at all," she replied.
> "With luck, I was here before they realized I'd left."

Which, in its own way is actually a higher recommendation... that the EA wouldnt willingly let her go. It also says some bad things about the level of totalitarianism the EA has reached at this point, which is still prior to Infamy if I'm recalling dates correctly.

> "What do you, have her on a Miraculon drip?"
> Cameron shook her head. "We thought about it, but about 10
> percent of the Cheltari Salusian population has a severe allergy."

Now hooooold on a second... Thinking back to the opening scene, Miraculon is depressingly toxic in high dosages. about a one in three at 5 times the dosage of a trauma patch, they said. Seems to me like a drip like that would be contra indicated unless you've got something like Geoff's Daodan to use it to power some directed healing.

> "And of course every wacko in the city picks this week
> to get up to weird tricks."

Ah. The sort of cases that make interesting TV episodes, then.

> Skuld's grin widened. "I don't need it to identify you...
> exactly. But it needs to be fresh."

Ah yes. The one like from the teaser thats had us all up in speculation. It occurs to me that needing a fresh DNA sample wouldnt be needed to identify her AS someone, but rather to identify her TO someTHING... something biologically based, in fact. A possible clue to project Cardinal? And there is still no guarentee that whatever the payoff is on this will be revealed in part 2, either. There is also the chance that its only there to drive us nuts speculating, but that actualy kinda violates one of the key rules of writing... dont waste words that dont move the plot forward.

> "That's the $64,000 question," Cameron agreed. "The short
> answer is, we don't know." She gave a rueful grin and added, "The long
> answer is, we really don't know."

Heh... And I doubt that Cameron has a clue as to the origin of the Sixty Four thousand dollar question. The only thing I can think of here is that I personally would have said "The long answer is, We dont even have a CLUE!"

> He smiled. "I don't
> suppose you know anybody with specialized knowledge of accelerated
> humanoid metabolism."

Obviously, the Titans dont go to Boyce when they get banged up then... I dont recall, but this does seem to make it clear that there is proboboly a darn good medbay in the Tower though. And this brings up the question of if G knows the secret identities of the Titans. Personally, I'd guess that he doesnt, but its because he chooses not to know.

> "When you were selected for the Lens... was there a gene scan
> involved?"

You know, we've SEEN Skuld do the test of light more than once on screen folks. And, as Gil points out, if there is any gene scanning, its done mystically, rather than technologically during the forging of the lens. Then again, as a mystic construct its just as likely that the Lens reads a persons auric field to identify its owner as any sort of physical genetic check.

> She looked at her etherwatch, switched its
> mode, and got a fix on her coordinates from the pseudocontinent's
> positioning system. Then she pulled up the list of standard waypoints
> and looked for a suitably distant one.

Smart girl. Its not just a calibrated watch, its an I(PO)-Phone! but... does it play music?

> "... the Great Western Ocean. That's... that's -Perth- over
> there. I just crossed the pseudocontinent."

Well, as nice as it is to see that there is more than once city, Sara does engage in a bit of hyperbole here. IIRC, NA itself is just about in the center of the psudocontinent, not at the eastern edge; even if it was, technically she still wouldnt have crossed the entire psudocontinent until after she'd reached Perth, assuming that said city really was over near the actual western terminus of the 'planetary' zone.

> Two rows away, to her shock, someone else was doing the same
> thing - at the same speed.
> Barry Allen turned,

I KNEW THE BLOODY NAME SOUNDED FAMILIAR!!!!!!

> "Eerily similar in some respects," Allen said. "I was struck by
> the lightning -directly-, and my chemical bath came from a supply
> cabinet that was next to me at the time, but the general circumstances
> were very much the same."

Your a better man than I am Barry Allen. If it was me, there would have been contact between nads and hands... at super speeds, after having my buttons pushed like that!

> "Fate's given you a great gift, Sara. If you want, I can teach you how
> to use it... but what you do with it after that is up to you."

And that, folks, is the key difference between the Gryphons and the General Zods. One chooses to use his power to protect, the other to dominate.

> Sara wasn't usually
> the "can I talk to you a second" type, and when she was, the resulting
> discussion had a tendency to get -weird- by Grissom's standards.

Now, are we talking early almost socially inept Gil, or the later, more mature Gil? cause, if its the latter, the weirdness level he's been exposed to is exponentially higher after all...

> This platform represents one of the largest
> continuous flat surfaces ever created, a square, utterly featureless
> plain of metal encompassing fully 100 million square miles

again, a nitpick... to me it would make slightly more sense for it to be rectangular at about a 1:10 width/lenght setup. Other than that, sounds like one of the places Corwin goes when he needs to work the kinks out of Buckaroo's JetCar.

> "Uhh... before we do, what's with the Agatha Heterodyne
> goggles?" Greg wondered.
> With a slight smirk, Sara reached up, settled the goggles over
> her eyes, and regarded her Dantrovian colleague through their green-
> tinted lenses.
> "I'm doing Science, Greg," she replied as if the answer were
> self-evident. He could hear the capital letter. "It's required."

Such a great line... even those of us who arnt total Girl Genious geeks got it, even if we didnt completely 'get it'.

> Greg turned to Nick, slack-jawed, and managed to say, "... I
> guess she doesn't need a jet car."

Greg gets all the best lines, you know that???

> "Sort of makes you wonder if the rumors are true," Greg agreed.
> "Maybe the Chief really -can- see the future."

Nope... but he does have one heck of a writer in his courner. :P

> "Oh, come on, Dr. Cameron," said Nick with a grin. "Among
> witnesses trying to explain things to us criminalists, Done-Fell-Over
> Syndrome is the leading cause of unexplained deaths. You're in
> emergency medicine, surely you've heard of it."

Which, if you think about it, makes sense! to someone who didnt see whatever caused the person to loose conciousness or worse, all they know is the dude DFO'd!

> Cameron laughed. "Ah. No doubt this is a corollary to the
> Mysterious Dude Defense I've read so much about."

Only if your names are Benjamin Hutchins or Richard Kimbal...

> Sara watched him go, then turned to the others. "Well, that was
> abrupt."
> "Yeah, I wonder what he meant by 'this complicates things',"
> Nick mused.
> "Pay scale's probably different if you've got superpowers," said
> Warrick. "Not that you'll ever need to get paid again after the OT on
> that Zardon job."

I dunno about the pay scale, but it probobly does complicate Gil's life in and of... there isnt much reason she CANT date the Chief now, is Sara going to go the whole Costumed Crimefigher route? Maybe he's worried she'll get pulled from the lab and assigned to SA 7? Any or all of them would concern him, not just as Night shift supervisor, but I got the feeling from what Catherine said earlier talking to Echly's brother in law that Grissom is also head of the lab. Which makes sense, seeeing as how he's also a lensman. Not that you'd have to be a lensman to HAVE the job, but given a choice between someone who qualified for a Lens vs someone who didnt, I'd choose the Lensman.

> "We're on Tatooine, Mom," Lindsey explained patiently. "They
> don't have video phones way out here. Listen, are you still coming to
> the show on Meizuri next week?"

Hi Lindsey! Huh... what are you doing out on Tatooine? well, it IS summer break by the Date stamps, so its no like you're ditching school...

> "Listen to me, only child," Catherine said. "Older guys are
> nothin' but trouble."
> "Funny, Captain Tenjou told me the same thing once.

Especially when the older guy in question doesnt have the common sense to DIE when he's supposed to...

OH! I get it. Lindsey's riding along with the Valient's/AoN's Summer Tour.

> "Mmmm," Brass grunted. "Why do you guys never turn on the
> lights? I mean, I know having a flashlight fetish is a prerequisite for
> the job and all..."

I've always wondered that too Jim. TOo bad G isnt going to give us an answer, cause... its really not important to the story at hand you see.

> "Jeez." Gryphon put away his weapon. "Don't do that. I
> could've shot you."
> Sara gave that a moment's consideration, then said matter-of-
> factly, "Actually, I don't think you could."

A good point in two separate ways... UF-G, even after all thats happened to him has NEVER struck me as the type who would shoot first and ask questions later. Maybe during a combat sortee, back in the Golden Age, but not out of combat. And of course there's the whole Sara could dodge it now anyway thing. Or disarm him.

> At least I've got the vest...
> And then the gun spoke, not with the roar of exploding
> propellant but the throaty energy report of a blaster.

> "... shit."

Pretty much sums up my reactions too Nick. This too, however, begs a nitpick. Certainly Slugthrowers, as a completely mature tech, seem to be the weapon of choice for those on a budget. However, blaster type weapons should be common enough that any body armor issued to law enforcement really should incorporate some protection from them....


Of COURSE you wernt expecting it!
No One expects the FANNISH INQUISITION!
RCW# 86


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-13-07, 09:22 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
43. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #42
 
   >Sorry all if stream of conciounes commentary is passe...

Actually, I rather miss it. We used to get a lot more of that kind of thing than we do now.

>Just how DOES Gil do that???

Here's the thing Greg never seems to bear in mind at times like this: The lab is full of windows. All the walls are transpex. Grissom can see him at almost all times. :)

>> "Two, three months, that's all I need," Gryphon assured him.
>> "I've already got a candidate in mind, I just have to figure out how
>> to pry him out of the cushy job he already has."
>
>Argh! More suspense...

Well, not really. I mean, we've seen the crime lab day shift supervisor in a story set a couple of months after this one (The Curse of the Big Train).

>If neccecary, he could have been sleeping and still
>switched back into full awake that fast.

Hell, he probably was asleep. First rule, after all: sleep when you can, because you can never be sure when your next opportunity will be. :)

>> Cameron smiled. "With no recommendation at all," she replied.
>> "With luck, I was here before they realized I'd left."
>
>Which, in its own way is actually a higher recommendation... that the
>EA wouldnt willingly let her go. It also says some bad things about
>the level of totalitarianism the EA has reached at this point, which
>is still prior to Infamy if I'm recalling dates correctly.

The Alliance started cracking down internally well before then (cf. Valiant Rose). After the abolishment of internal sub-states, one of the natural next orders of business would've been to start restricting the movements of essential personnel. Dr. Cameron herself wasn't really considered that essential, but she worked very closely for several years with someone who was, so that whole department was on the no-fly list.

>> "What do you, have her on a Miraculon drip?"
>> Cameron shook her head. "We thought about it, but about 10
>> percent of the Cheltari Salusian population has a severe allergy."
>
>Now hooooold on a second... Thinking back to the opening scene,
>Miraculon is depressingly toxic in high dosages. about a one in three
>at 5 times the dosage of a trauma patch, they said. Seems to me like
>a drip like that would be contra indicated unless you've got something
>like Geoff's Daodan to use it to power some directed healing.

It's all about the concentration. The point of intravenous Miraculon treatment isn't to deliver a higher concentration than the patches; it's to deliver a consistent flow over time, rather than the single spike a slap patch or rescue injector gives.

>And this brings up
>the question of if G knows the secret identities of the Titans.

With the exception of Robin, whose cover at this point wouldn't really be that hard to penetrate, the Titans don't have secret identities. Sure, Wally wears a mask as Flash, but only because it's a traditional part of the costume he inherited from Barry.

>Its not just a calibrated watch, its an I(PO)-Phone!
>but... does it play music?

Probably. Those things do everything.

>NA itself is just about
>in the center of the psudocontinent, not at the eastern edge

Nope, it's on the east coast.

>Now, are we talking early almost socially inept Gil, or the later,
>more mature Gil?

Even the latter version is not really equipped to handle questions like "So I've been toying with the idea of jumping the Chief. Good idea, bad idea?" Not that she phrased it that way, but. :)

>Maybe he's worried she'll get pulled from the lab and assigned to SA 7?

The Special Assignments are, for the most part, voluntary duties, so it's not so much a question of her getting "pulled" as deciding to make the jump herself. Not a decision she's gotten around to making as of the end of this episode, but the possibility is out there, and it's one of the things on Grissom's mind. See, IPO regulations are pretty specific about this kind of thing. You can't be an SA-rated agent and still work a job like the crime lab - there's too good a chance that you'll be involved in an SA incident and then end up working your own fight scene.

>> "Mmmm," Brass grunted. "Why do you guys never turn on the
>> lights? I mean, I know having a flashlight fetish is a prerequisite for
>> the job and all..."
>
>I've always wondered that too Jim.

Simple: Unless the lights are already on when the CSIs arrive, they have to stay off, at least for the initial survey. Turning them on would constitute an alteration to the crime scene.

>However, blaster type
>weapons should be common enough that any body armor issued to law
>enforcement really should incorporate some protection from them....

The light armor issued to personnel not expected to spend much time under fire (like the CSI field people) is rated for both ballistic and energy protection, but in any light armor, the ballistic side is always more effective. Hell, a White Legion stormtrooper's armor would probably not have stopped a point-blank blaster shot like that one, never mind the light conformal vests CSIs have access to.

It's also worth pointing out that, under the standard operating protocols, IPO criminalists are not expected to get shot at, and are not, in fact, required to wear armor. Nick does anyway because he's a boy scout. Nobody else on Grissom's shift even bothers with it most of the time.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Star Ranger4
Charter Member
2207 posts
Nov-14-07, 10:45 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Star%20Ranger4 Click to send private message to Star%20Ranger4 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM  
45. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #43
 
   >>Just how DOES Gil do that???
>
>Here's the thing Greg never seems to bear in mind at times like this:
>The lab is full of windows. All the walls are transpex.
>Grissom can see him at almost all times. :)
>
Yeah, but that still doesnt explain how he manages to TIME that sort of thing right. ;p

>>Argh! More suspense...
>
>Well, not really. I mean, we've seen the crime lab day shift
>supervisor in a story set a couple of months after this one (The
>Curse of the Big Train
).

So he does...

>>Its not just a calibrated watch, its an I(PO)-Phone!
>>but... does it play music?
>
>Probably. Those things do everything.
>
LOL!!!

>>NA itself is just about
>>in the center of the psudocontinent, not at the eastern edge
>
>Nope, it's on the east coast.
>

Hmm. At this point You may just have to do a HHGG entry about the psudocontinent layout just for those nitpickers amoung us then.

>See, IPO regulations are
>pretty specific about this kind of thing. You can't be an SA-rated
>agent and still work a job like the crime lab - there's too good a
>chance that you'll be involved in an SA incident and then end up
>working your own fight scene.
>
Yeah, thats one of the things I was thinking. It would be an automatic conflict of interest, for one thing.

>Hell, a White Legion stormtrooper's armor
>would probably not have stopped a point-blank blaster shot like that
>one, never mind the light conformal vests CSIs have access to.
>
Ah... Owie owie owie owie! I sure hope you like Nick, otherwise this is 'NOT GOOD' (tm) for the guy.


Of COURSE you wernt expecting it!
No One expects the FANNISH INQUISITION!
RCW# 86


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Pasha
Charter Member
965 posts
Nov-16-07, 02:52 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Pasha Click to send private message to Pasha Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via ICQ  
47. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #43
 
   >>Sorry all if stream of conciounes commentary is passe...
>
>Actually, I rather miss it. We used to get a lot more of that kind of
>thing than we do now.

As one of the people who used to do those walkthrough of the new eps, the reason I no longer do is that my job changed. I can't just spend time doing that while talking to people on the phone. I do rather miss it, however.

>>However, blaster type
>>weapons should be common enough that any body armor issued to law
>>enforcement really should incorporate some protection from them....
>
>The light armor issued to personnel not expected to spend much time
>under fire (like the CSI field people) is rated for both ballistic and
>energy protection, but in any light armor, the ballistic side is
>always more effective. Hell, a White Legion stormtrooper's armor
>would probably not have stopped a point-blank blaster shot like that
>one, never mind the light conformal vests CSIs have access to.

This leads me to one of my complaints. How come nobody ever gets shot in the damned head?

--
-Pasha
"I invented Warp Drive, whatta ya got?"
"I'm the Norse God of Mecha."
"Well, I guess you win then."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Gryphonadmin
Charter Member
19264 posts
Nov-16-07, 02:58 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Gryphon Click to send private message to Gryphon Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
48. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #47
 
   >This leads me to one of my complaints. How come nobody ever gets
>shot in the damned head?

There wouldn't be a lot of fucking suspense in that, now would there.

--G.
Jesus Christ
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Pasha
Charter Member
965 posts
Nov-16-07, 03:30 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Pasha Click to send private message to Pasha Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via ICQ  
49. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #48
 
   >>This leads me to one of my complaints. How come nobody ever gets
>>shot in the damned head?
>
>There wouldn't be a lot of fucking suspense in that, now would
>there.

Well, no. But damnit, if you're gonna do something, do it right! I mean, 2COM, 1 head is a pattern that I every pistol usage seminar that I've ever attended has drilled for.

--
-Pasha
"I invented Warp Drive, whatta ya got?"
"I'm the Norse God of Mecha."
"Well, I guess you win then."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Wedge
Charter Member
Nov-16-07, 08:14 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Wedge Click to send private message to Wedge Click to add this user to your buddy list  
51. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #49
 
   >>>This leads me to one of my complaints. How come nobody ever gets
>>>shot in the damned head?
>>
>>There wouldn't be a lot of fucking suspense in that, now would
>>there.
>
>Well, no. But damnit, if you're gonna do something, do it right! I
>mean, 2COM, 1 head is a pattern that I every pistol usage seminar that
>I've ever attended has drilled for.

They do a lot of blaster work in those seminars?

Lighten up, Francis. I did, actually, have something like a plan when I wrote that. I know patience isn't your strong point, though. ;)



Chad Collier
Smirking Kilrathi
The Captain of the Gravy Train


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Star Ranger4
Charter Member
2207 posts
Nov-16-07, 08:42 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Star%20Ranger4 Click to send private message to Star%20Ranger4 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM  
52. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #51
 
   >I know patience isn't your strong point, though. ;)
>
Patients? WHo do we look like, House? Remember, your talking about the people who took a one line gag from the credits of a story and ran with it to the point RL-G cringed...


Of COURSE you wernt expecting it!
No One expects the FANNISH INQUISITION!
RCW# 86


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Peter Eng
Charter Member
1454 posts
Nov-19-07, 01:47 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Peter%20Eng Click to send private message to Peter%20Eng Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
53. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #49
 
   >
>Well, no. But damnit, if you're gonna do something, do it right! I
>mean, 2COM, 1 head is a pattern that I every pistol usage seminar that
>I've ever attended has drilled for.
>

Right. And how many pistols do you know of that can shoot through schools?

2 COM, 1 head isn't particularly useful when a well-placed shot to the center of mass goes through most practical personal armor. The shooter wasn't aiming at somebody in CVR-3 or better, which would probably have taken the shot without risk of instant death for the wearer.

The shot was placed for a person wearing IPO or NAPD standard gear, which is what would be expected at the scene. One shot to COM would probably be a chunk out of the heart, lungs, or intestines. Potential death, with the only other possibility being an extended hospital stay. Why waste time shooting again?

And yes, I just made that up. However, it's a realistic analysis of what Gryphon's described in-story.

Peter Eng
--
I'm only a Charter Member because of the DCForum upgrade, and because there's no rank below "Clueless F!wit."


  Printer-friendly page | Top
MoonEyes
Member since Jun-29-03
745 posts
Nov-19-07, 04:21 PM (EST)
Click to EMail MoonEyes Click to send private message to MoonEyes Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
54. "RE: Forward Momentum"
In response to message #49
 
   >Well, no. But damnit, if you're gonna do something, do it right! I
>mean, 2COM, 1 head is a pattern that I every pistol usage seminar that
>I've ever attended has drilled for.
>


Interesting, since we were trained 2 COM, PAUSE, 1 head. The pause being to see what happens after. 1 head is used if the two first don't do the job. Otherwise it's waste of ammo. And a blaster, at short range, don't NEED the second, I would think.

...!
Stoke Mandeville, Esq & The Victorian Ballsmiths
"Nobody Want Verdigris-Covered Balls!"


  Printer-friendly page | Top

Conferences | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic

[ YUM ] [ BIG ] [ ??!? ] [ RANT ] [ GNDN ] [ STORE ] [ FORUM ] GOTW ] [ VAULT ]

version 3.3 © 2001
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited
Benjamin D. Hutchins
E P U (Colour)