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"An assortment of UF-related questions"
 
   I've been re-reading a bunch of assorted UF stories lately and a number of questions have occurred to me. Apologies if some of them have already been asked and answered, but I think most, if not all, are new. Some may be more suited to certain sub-forums, but I'm being lazy and doing it all in one post...

Is Kahm Santova still alive, and if so is she aware of Darth Vader's re-awakening? In fact, was she aware of his hibernation to begin with? And is Darth Vader aware of Kahm (if she's still alive) and Rianna?

What is Magneto up to these days? We know Xavier is running the school, and given the change of demographics Magneto's worldview has to be rather different these days. I'm sure he's anti-Psi Corps, but given the diversity of the universe and that fact that 'mutants' are readily accepted in at least some areas, I expect he's no longer trying to take over :)

I was thinking about Nick Stokes' Detian heritage, and it made me wonder if he wasn't the child of an old Wedge Defender, but perhaps the grandchild. And that led me to wonder if there was any way (in UF) to determine a genetic link with more than one generation difference? I'm specifically NOT asking who his parentage is, as that with either be revealed 'on-camera' or not; I'm just asking if the tech-base could do it.

I though I had more questions, but they escape me at the moment...

Thanks in advance for any answers (especially straight ones :)).

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  RE: An assortment of UF-related questions Wedge Oct-13-09 1
  RE: An assortment of UF-related questions Gryphonadmin Oct-13-09 2
     RE: An assortment of UF-related questions Offsides Oct-13-09 3
         RE: An assortment of UF-related questions rwpikul Oct-14-09 4
  RE: An assortment of UF-related questions BeardedFerret Oct-20-09 5
     RE: An assortment of UF-related questions Gryphonadmin Oct-20-09 6
         RE: An assortment of UF-related questions BeardedFerret Oct-20-09 7
         RE: An assortment of UF-related questions mdg1 Oct-20-09 8
             RE: An assortment of UF-related questions McFortner Oct-20-09 9
                 RE: An assortment of UF-related questions Droken Oct-20-09 10
     RE: An assortment of UF-related questions StClair Oct-22-09 11
         RE: An assortment of UF-related questions Norgarth Oct-24-09 12
             RE: An assortment of UF-related questions Berrik Oct-25-09 13
                 RE: An assortment of UF-related questions Apostate_Soul Jan-13-10 14
                     RE: An assortment of UF-related questions Gryphonadmin Jan-13-10 15
                         RE: An assortment of UF-related questions Apostate_Soul Jan-14-10 16
                             RE: An assortment of UF-related questions Zemyla Feb-06-10 17
  RE: An assortment of UF-related questions BobSchroeck Feb-08-10 18
     RE: An assortment of UF-related questions clg Feb-08-10 19
     RE: An assortment of UF-related questions Gryphonadmin Feb-08-10 20
         RE: An assortment of UF-related questions BobSchroeck Feb-08-10 21

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Wedge
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1. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   >I was thinking about Nick Stokes' Detian heritage, and it made me
>wonder if he wasn't the child of an old Wedge Defender, but perhaps
>the grandchild. And that led me to wonder if there was any way (in
>UF) to determine a genetic link with more than one generation
>difference? I'm specifically NOT asking who his parentage is, as that
>with either be revealed 'on-camera' or not; I'm just asking if the
>tech-base could do it.

You don't need the future to tell that, you can trace familial DNA today. The main issue with that is having all the appropriate samples to compare with. As of this writing, there is no official genetic trace of Nick's father. Trust me, Nick's a fine criminalist, and has been since college. He's looked. :)


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2. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   Okay, let's see.

>Is Kahm Santova still alive,

Yes.

>and if so is she aware of Darth Vader's re-awakening?

No.

>In fact, was she aware of his hibernation to begin with?

Probably not.

>And is Darth Vader aware of Kahm (if she's still alive) and Rianna?

I don't think so. We did have a prototype for a scene in which Vader and Rianna met, once, but it was several revisions of the Outer Rim setting ago and wouldn't actually work any more for any number of reasons.

>What is Magneto up to these days?

Well, it's funny you should ask that.

>And that led me to wonder if there was any way (in
>UF) to determine a genetic link with more than one generation
>difference?

As wedge has noted, that's easy-peasy now, let alone in the 25th century. The problem is that the only thing COGENT returns if you run Nick's DNA against it is his own IPO personnel file. Whoever his Detian forebear is, he (or she) is apparently not in the system. This is not unusual, given that the whole Wedge Defense Force HR database (and most of the pre-Exile Detians were, or had been, in the WDF) Went Away in 2288.

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3. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   First off, thanks for the answers!

>>And is Darth Vader aware of Kahm (if she's still alive) and Rianna?
>
>I don't think so. We did have a prototype for a scene in which Vader
>and Rianna met, once, but it was several revisions of the Outer
>Rim
setting ago and wouldn't actually work any more for any number
>of reasons.
>
OK, knowing how the idea revision process works, I expect that this type of thing happens all the time :)

>>What is Magneto up to these days?
>
>Well, it's funny you should ask that.
>
Looking forward to whatever it is you're working on! :)

>>And that led me to wonder if there was any way (in
>>UF) to determine a genetic link with more than one generation
>>difference?
>
>As wedge has noted, that's easy-peasy now, let alone in the
>25th century. The problem is that the only thing COGENT returns if
>you run Nick's DNA against it is his own IPO personnel file. Whoever
>his Detian forebear is, he (or she) is apparently not in the system.
>This is not unusual, given that the whole Wedge Defense Force HR
>database (and most of the pre-Exile Detians were, or had been, in the
>WDF) Went Away in 2288.
>
I know you can trace ancestry via direct line female lineage using mitochondrial DNA, and via direct line make lineage using the Y chromosome, but I didn't realize that you could trace back multiple generations without having the intermediate DNA profiles. I would think that would be somewhat difficult if you didn't have certainty a la the above two methods...

But interesting that whoever it is, they're either still out in the cold, or (unfortunately) dead. I'm sure whenever he finds out, it'll be as much of a surprise to him as it will to us :)

Thanks again!

Offsides

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4. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   >I know you can trace ancestry via direct line female lineage using
>mitochondrial DNA, and via direct line make lineage using the Y
>chromosome, but I didn't realize that you could trace back multiple
>generations without having the intermediate DNA profiles. I would
>think that would be somewhat difficult if you didn't have certainty a
>la the above two methods...

The more distant the relationship the less reliable this sort of thing gets, but there is enough to link out a couple of steps. You also cannot tell between a grandfather and an uncle because they have the same level of relationship.

This is with the couple of dozen sites currently used for DNA profiles. Add a few hundred years of development and you are looking at having at least a half-dozen sites on each chromosome and a much better way of flagging probable relatives.

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5. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   Hey, whatever happened to the GENOM AT&T?


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6. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   >Hey, whatever happened to the GENOM AT&T?

We have top men looking at it.

Top. Men.

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7. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-09 AT 05:32 AM (EDT)
 
>>Hey, whatever happened to the GENOM AT&T?
>
>We have top men looking at it.
>
>Top. Men.

I trust the Top Men have been instructed to keep on the lookout for Cate Blanchett lookalikes with wigs and bad Russian accents.


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8. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   That'd be a pretty big packing crate...

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9. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   And an even bigger warehouse....

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10. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   Considering the size of the Dyson Sphere, I can totally see there being such a warehouse.

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11. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   I seem to recall the answer, the last time someone asked, was along the lines of "parked in orbit around Saturn, exactly opposite Mimas, so no one ever sees the both of them at the same time."


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12. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-25-09 AT 08:32 PM (EDT)
 
>I seem to recall the answer, the last time someone asked, was along
>the lines of "parked in orbit around Saturn, exactly opposite Mimas,
>so no one ever sees the both of them at the same time."

I can't see UF-Gryphon leaving it in orbit of Saturn. First, why fly it that far? Secondly, well, I just realized my second reason was faulty logic (that he wouldn't put in easy reach of the jerkwads in control of Earthforce, except this would have happened long before their jerkwadishness became apparant)

I'm sure that, if it's not in or around the Sphere, then it could easily be orbiting a nearby brown dwarf star or something.

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13. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   If I recall correctly, this was asked before, and it's in the same system with the Dyson sphere, with WDF folks taking it apart to study it or something like that.

I would assume the reason it's never mentioned again is a) Core stuff is being rewritten anyways and b) it's probably partially dissassembled and otherwise not in a useful state anyways.


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14. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   I'm betting that Washu bought it for scrap, hollowed it out, and turned it into a hyperdimensional testing crucible.

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15. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   >I'm betting that Washu bought it for scrap, hollowed it out, and
>turned it into a hyperdimensional testing crucible.

That's just silly. If you're going to go to all the trouble of making a hyperdimensional anything, why would you bother making the outside that big? That'd be like setting the chameleon circuit of your TARDIS to emulate the entire Broadcasting House Cardiff.

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16. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   Maybe, but since when did Washu do much on a sane and sensible scale?


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17. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   Besides, with an actual size of 120 km in diameter, she could probably make an extradimensional space large enough to stick a whole planet in, and the AT&T's reactors could power the production of that space. Now I don't know what she'd use it for, but it'd fill her heart with pride to see that powerful a machine being put to good use.


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18. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   Since this is a thread of questions, I might as well ask one, especially as I don't want to put it in the original thread as it seems somewhat out of place there. Utena's (typed) signature on the letter "Operation TRIDENT: The Hard Part" has the middle initial "R", and I cannot for the life of me recall if we've ever seen that before, and if so, what it stands for.

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19. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   My guess is "Ravenhair", which is why we haven't seen it before.

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20. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   LAST EDITED ON Feb-08-10 AT 03:36 PM (EST)
 
>Utena's (typed) signature on the
>letter "Operation TRIDENT: The Hard Part" has the middle initial "R",
>and I cannot for the life of me recall if we've ever seen that before,
>and if so, what it stands for.

clg is correct; it stands for "Ravenhair", and the only other place it's appeared so far is her official report on Operation TRIDENT, because before said operation, she wasn't using that name. She didn't have a middle name before then - most Cephireans (or at least most from the central region of Nihon) don't.

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21. "RE: An assortment of UF-related questions"
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   >clg is correct; it stands for "Ravenhair",

Ah. I feel like facepalming because now it seems so obvious, but it's been months since I read the last Sympony installment, and it simply didn't occur to me.

Thanks.

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