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"CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
 
   Well, damn.

Subtle, with a nice base of action, tons of rich, meaty plot and savory hints of things to come.

Goes well with a glass of awesome and scalloped potatoes.

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  RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. sideways Dec-27-07 1
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Gryphonadmin Dec-27-07 2
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. sideways Dec-27-07 3
             RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Avatar_of_Chaos Dec-27-07 4
                 RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Pasha Dec-27-07 5
                     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Avatar_of_Chaos Dec-28-07 43
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Barricade Dec-27-07 8
             RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Gryphonadmin Dec-27-07 17
                 RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Bad Moon Dec-28-07 32
             RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Ardaniel Dec-27-07 30
  RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Pasha Dec-27-07 6
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. BZArchermoderator Dec-27-07 10
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Pasha Dec-27-07 11
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Gryphonadmin Dec-27-07 16
  RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. WengFook Dec-27-07 7
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Pasha Dec-27-07 9
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. asuffield Dec-28-07 39
             RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Gryphonadmin Dec-28-07 40
                 RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. BobSchroeck Dec-30-07 50
                     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. BlackAeronaut Jan-03-08 53
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Peter Eng Dec-27-07 25
  RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Star Ranger4 Dec-27-07 12
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. rwpikul Dec-27-07 14
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Gryphonadmin Dec-27-07 15
             RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Norgarth Dec-27-07 24
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Gryphonadmin Dec-27-07 18
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Wedge Dec-27-07 20
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Star Ranger4 Dec-27-07 21
             RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Gryphonadmin Dec-27-07 22
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. mdg1 Dec-27-07 23
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. jhosmer1 Dec-28-07 38
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Mephronmoderator Dec-27-07 19
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Wedge Dec-27-07 26
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Ardaniel Dec-27-07 31
             RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Nathan Dec-28-07 42
  RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Offsides Dec-27-07 13
  RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Croaker Dec-27-07 27
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Gryphonadmin Dec-27-07 28
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Croaker Dec-27-07 29
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. E_M_Lurker Dec-28-07 35
  RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Bad Moon Dec-28-07 33
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Tzukumori Dec-28-07 34
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Gryphonadmin Dec-28-07 36
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Star Ranger4 Dec-28-07 41
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Bad Moon Dec-29-07 44
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Peter Eng Dec-29-07 47
  RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. E_M_Lurker Dec-28-07 37
  RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Polychrome Dec-29-07 45
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. BZArchermoderator Dec-29-07 46
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. Gryphonadmin Dec-29-07 48
             RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. BZArchermoderator Dec-29-07 49
     RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. WengFook Dec-30-07 51
         RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. asuffield Dec-31-07 52
             RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory. BlackAeronaut Jan-03-08 54

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sideways
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1. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   She's a sexy scientist with furry ears and an obsessive disorder.
He's an eight-hundred-pound polar apex predator with a penchant for metallurgy.

They Fight Crime!

Seriously, you gave Sara a panserbjørne? She and Greg are the coolest kids in town.

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2. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >Seriously, you gave Sara a panserbjørne?

Well, I dunno if I'd phrase it that way; Sgt. Ragnarsson's sapiency advocate would probably object, for one thing. :)

Anyway, it wasn't a permanent duty assignment, but yeah, for a couple hours, coolest kids in town.

(As an aside, the image of the Tahoe roaring around a corner with Sara at the wheel, Greg leaning out the passenger window, and Ragnarsson clinging to the roof, squinting into the slipstream, is permanently jammed in my head as one of the many comic-book splash pages I cannot execute. :)

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3. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   Okay, fine, "lent." Still made of awesome. As is Master Giol'bertis. Cute.

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4. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   yes very good story, the surprized of Gil being a Jedi sure did make me blink acouple of times.

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5. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >yes very good story, the surprized of Gil being a Jedi sure did make
>me blink acouple of times.

You were surprised? I mean, DUH. Universe with Jedi.
Calmest Man Ever.

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43. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >>yes very good story, the surprized of Gil being a Jedi sure did make
>>me blink acouple of times.
>
>You were surprised? I mean, DUH. Universe with Jedi.
>Calmest Man Ever.

eh to me calm does not a Jedi make, the moment when the lightsaber comes out or any other force like ablity comes out then I make the assumption till proven wrong.

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8. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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>(As an aside, the image of the Tahoe roaring around a corner with Sara
>at the wheel, Greg leaning out the passenger window, and Ragnarsson
>clinging to the roof, squinting into the slipstream, is permanently
>jammed in my head as one of the many comic-book splash pages I cannot
>execute. :)

And I'm now stuck with the image of him up there, holding a bottle of Coca-Cola (That HAS to be his favorite drink, its just too good to pass up), wearing shades, and grinning into slipstream like a madman, err... bear.

Didn't expect a GC reference this fast, although I find it hilarious. Will you keep it up that Ragnar has the same 'voice' as Capt. Picard?


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17. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >Didn't expect a GC reference this fast

And me without even having seen the movie yet...

There are relatively few direct references to be made, given the differences in cosmology, though I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Skuld has an alethiometer kicking around someplace. (In the UF universe, it's probably the Force that makes them work.)

>Will you keep it up that Ragnar has the same 'voice' as Capt. Picard?

Well, he's not supposed to be the same bear... I tend to think of him sounding more like Clancy Brown.

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32. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >>Will you keep it up that Ragnar has the same 'voice' as Capt. Picard?
>
>Well, he's not supposed to be the same bear... I tend to think of him
>sounding more like Clancy Brown.

That just breaks me, because for me Clancy Brown defaults to Lex Luthor, so that'd be Lex Luthor as a Tactical Assault Polar Bear.

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30. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   Compass's Iofur/Ragnar is both not this Ragnar, and not Patrick Stewart. He's voiced by Ian McShane of Deadwood fame. (Iorek is voiced by Sir Ian McKellen, Also Not Patrick Stewart.)

Sgt. Ragnarsson is his own bear, as it were.

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6. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   Quick run through of thoughts while skimming through it again:

Nice recap of the last couple eps. Succinct, but still amusing.

Shades. Heh.

I finally figured out what's been bugging me the last couple of stories.
You guys changed the layout of the OST markers. It's a little more annoying, since I tend to process text sort of paragraph by paragraph, and those wind up breaking into multiple pieces. No biggy, just wanted to bitch. :)

I know how Nick feels. I used to work the night shift? And I always felt out of sorts when things wound up with me awake at, say, noon.

I adore Emily Proctor. Better as Ainsley, but then, she had better writing then
Calleigh did.

Mmm...gun porn....

Chief! Not in armour!! w00t!!

Ok, there's got to be a story to why Janice calls him 'Dad'. I'd rather like to hear it. :)

What, Dawson doesn't know to pull his finger from the trigger of a weapon that is fully auto, that he didn't expect? Th'ell kind of gunman is he?

Looks like Geoff is getting better at dealing with members of the fairer sex..

I swear I'm making a Dantrovian Holiday Calendar.

Is Enrique sapient? Wait! No! Force! Hah! Understanding now!

"Oh, -fuck me-," he muttered.
"The gang over at Terminal Island may take care of that," said
Brass sympathetically.

This slew me. I laughed, and laughed, and laughed.


Ok, now I *REALLY* want to read Adventures of the CID, or you call the band of loonies that is Cage, MC, Barlow, and Chad.
Also. Mental laughing at Klingon dubbing of Conan.

And yes. Every sane person, ever, has wanted to be a part of a caper/heist. And if you can pull it off and be on the side of Truth, Justice, and Cookies for Everyone, all the better.

Non-verbal communication between men about their progress with a known woman. Always amusing to watch.

You know, I've pretty much disliked every Bentley that I've seen. They step on just the wrong side of 'overly ostentatious'. (And the new Continental? Please, just buy the DB9, and get over it.)

Oh, how I adore the EXTRA secret menu.

RE: Female Body armour; I think it has to do with the fact that, like bras, it would have to be fitted. Of course, good tac armour should be fitted regardless of the gender. (Oh, how I HATED my vest before fiddling with the straps and buckles for a month or so. And I'm, err...flat chested.)

It's Ragnar's the whole way down, sonny...

You know, the sad part is the fact that she actually thinks that her wayward daughters are bad. One is a captain of a ship (ok, so she's also got a Dantrovian lover) and the other..well, I'm not sure what Mary's upto at this point. Clarrisa, on the other hand, TRIED TO BLOW UP A STADIUM. *shakes head*

And, duh. I can't even say I was surprised at Gris. It's like Morpheus.

...I'm beginning to wonder if the Broadbanks are agents of The Mystereons or flashclones, or something.

You know, I'd think that Dr. Cameron was hot if she gained about fifteen pounds. You can see her damned RIBS in several eps.

Yay after credits stuff!

Of COURSE he feels weird about Sara! Kei never said she was OK! Duh!


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10. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   Re: Mary -

Isn't she still in the Giant Robot business / keeping Priss and Sylvie's property damage to a minimum? Fun work from our perspective, but I suppose I can see how Das Frost-Weibchen would decide it's "lowering herself".

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11. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >Re: Mary -
>
>Isn't she still in the Giant Robot business / keeping Priss and
>Sylvie's property damage to a minimum? Fun work from our perspective,
>but I suppose I can see how Das Frost-Weibchen would decide it's
>"lowering herself".

Umm...it's not marrying well, laying back and thinking of England?


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16. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >What, Dawson doesn't know to pull his finger from the trigger of a
>weapon that is fully auto, that he didn't expect?

Sure, he knows. It just didn't much matter in this case. Not only was it pretty much all over before he had a chance to consciously react, it wouldn't have made any difference; the Sardak wasn't just full-auto, it had been modified so that, once fired, it would not stop until empty. Army .45s sometimes develop that irritating and dangerous habit in real life, if certain parts become overly worn - the hammer doesn't cock, but instead follows the slide back into battery and sets off the next round, lather, rinse, repeat until magazine is empty.

>Clarrisa, on the other hand, TRIED TO BLOW
>UP A STADIUM. *shakes head*

Well, to be fair, it was blocking her view of Venus.

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7. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   As always Outward Trajectory hit all the right CSI buttons to make it feel like I was watching it on TV with UF guest stars. :D

So I gotta ask after hearing Sara say it, what is the right way to catch a bullet?

Also if any CSI's process the crime scene at Clarissa's home wouldn't it be obvious that the blaster bolts Clarissa fired were deflected by something? Unless Gris and Brass are both going to claim that Clarissa was an abysmally bad shot, which sorta kinda messes with evidence presented.

Hmm and if the Broadbanks installed some kind of CCTV surveillance in their home, which is kinda likely, that Grissom or Brass didn't know about, then his action with the lightsaber would definitely show up later :S
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9. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >So I gotta ask after hearing Sara say it, what is the right way to
>catch a bullet?

From behind. Move in behind it, put your hand around it, and slowly apply pressure until it stops. It probably wouldn't take much, either. Bullets don't actually have a hell of a lot of force, they just apply it in a very small area.

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39. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >>So I gotta ask after hearing Sara say it, what is the right way to
>>catch a bullet?
>
>From behind. Move in behind it, put your hand around it, and slowly
>apply pressure until it stops. It probably wouldn't take much,
>either. Bullets don't actually have a hell of a lot of force, they
>just apply it in a very small area.

It's a needlessly flashy approach, though. Somebody moving at that speed could simply nudge the bullet onto a trajectory that would miss, with far less effort or risk. Catching it is just showing off for the crowd.


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40. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >It's a needlessly flashy approach, though. Somebody moving at that
>speed could simply nudge the bullet onto a trajectory that would miss,
>with far less effort or risk.

What, and put another hole in the lab? We can't have these things just flying around the place at random, you know; they might contaminate somebody else's evidence. There are professional standards to be upheld here! :)

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50. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >What, and put another hole in the lab? We can't have these things
>just flying around the place at random, you know; they might
>contaminate somebody else's evidence.

They might contaminate somebody else, period...

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53. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >>What, and put another hole in the lab? We can't have these things
>>just flying around the place at random, you know; they might
>>contaminate somebody else's evidence.
>
>They might contaminate somebody else, period...

Ricochet's a bitch. Even if everything else around you looks like glass, it doesn't mean it's not something like klaster or transparisteel.


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25. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   > Also if any CSI's process the crime scene at Clarissa's home wouldn't it be
> obvious that the blaster bolts Clarissa fired were deflected by something?

"Then Doctor Grissom threw an ashtray at Ms. Broadbank, spoiling her aim..."

> And if the Broadbanks installed some kind of CCTV surveillance in their home,
> which is kinda likely...

...then Clarissa disabled it in her room after joining Big Fire.

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12. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   > 9) Having learned this, lab director and night shift supervisor
> Gil Grissom abruptly declared that he could not continue on the case due
> to a potential conflict of interest, handed supervisory authority to
> Catherine, and went home.

Which is also the point where the credits last rolled.

> Catherine had considered this behavior somewhat bizarre, even
> for Grissom, until she sat down and had a long look at the big picture.
> Now she thought she was seeing the same pattern that had spooked
> Grissom, and if she was right, she didn't blame him for bowing out of
> the case. Administratively, the path ahead was fraught with danger.

But its not the Administrative dangers; and I personally would argue that Griss isnt exactly spooked, Cath. He's got that same bad feelign I do, that Echlie's involved in this up to his neck. Which means that as much as Grissom wants to be involved, he litterally CANT. If he doesnt step out now a smart lawyer will use that potential conflict of interest to have the whole case thrown out. And UF Gil, at least the way I read the way Gryph presents him, would feel rather like a heel if it was his actions that got a case thrown out.

> Caine nodded. "I know that, Catherine," he said. "And I don't
> have a problem following your lead. My team and I are at your disposal.
> Just tell us... " He reached into his inside jacket pocket, took out
> his dataglasses, and slipped them on. "... where you want us."

Umm, Horatio... She just TOLD you where, like 5 lines back! Not really having followed much of CSI:M myself, I take it the glasses of justice stich has grown more pronounced than I seem to recall from the inital crossover launch?

> "Hell if I know," Catherine replied irritably. "Probably
> communing with his dominatrix."

Low blow, Cath. He'd be there if he wasnt damn well aware that any more involvment of his would get this blown out of the water. THough it does rather look like the mystery lady from fragment 2 (or was it 3?) is Lady H...

> "Hazing the FNG, Willows?" asked the security-detail sergeant
> who led the team responding to the vault alarm.

Not exactly fair there. Greg might have just recently moved up from the labs into the field teams, but that doesnt make him the FNG... That distinction really should be Cally's

> "Testing the security system. And your response time, nice
> work," Catherine added. "Can you let Greg out of there, please?

I however, am beginning to suspect. For one, I begin to fear that this represents some rather long term planning.

> Sara looked more bemused. "... Right. Clearly I missed a
> memo."

Dont feel too bad, Greg did too!

> "My time for what?"
> "Well... -this-," said Skuld, and suddenly the room was filled
> with light.

Either Gryph doesnt like Warrik, or you've got something REALLY special planned for him by the end of this I hope...

> Janice grinned. "You're kidding. I get my very own take-
> Cortana-to-the-computer-and-flip-the-switch mission? Awesome. I feel
> so loved." She turned to Skuld. "Are we going right now?"

Doesnt the incident aboard the Hammer count? <<checks datestamps>> Yup, last year. Ok, I can see how you'd put it that way since its a solo job rather than a 'team effort'. Oh, and is the reason she calls John dad something that will be related on screen, or just because she's working with him on a semi regular basis?

> "So," he said, indicating his Lens. "You know anything about
> these things? I didn't get the tutorial."

Yup. There isnt to much OF a tutorial for them, given their individualistic natures; but I'm sure the Master Cheif can explain the basics of care and feeding for you Nick, cause thats well enough known. Does make one kind of wonder what a Criminalist's lens might come up with as far as bonus features, since we know Gris has one too. Hope its something thats important enough for some camera time in the future.

> Dawson picked up the magazine, noted that some thoughtful soul
> had already loaded it, and slapped it into the butt of the Sardak.

Oh SHIT. That's not supposed to be proper procedure, but I think Bobby's been working too many hours to see it. This CANT BE GOOD....

> Both of them found their attention quite effectively grabbed,
> however, by the sudden roar of automatic gunfire and shattering transpex
> that filled the office.

Doncha just hate it when your right?

> "Uh, no, actually... " Sara handed him a .47-caliber bullet.
> "I was stopping you from taking one in the side of the head."

Which, even if he's an unknown detian like Nicky was would STILL pretty much ruin his day. actually, quite a few years, come to think of what happened to Noriko...

> "Oh," she said nonchalantly, "I had a little ol' argument with a
> defective plasmacaster one time...

HA! the question is, was it a deliberate booby trap?
<Reads Flashback>
Oh. actually, Horatio's line here was almost a let down though. I'd expected somehing more witty, given that he pulled out the GLASSES O JUSTICE

> "I'm folding the crime lab into CID," Gryphon explained. "I've
> been thinking about doing it for a while now, but this... CSI
> assassination plot, or whatever the hell is going on, made it a little
> more urgent. Making the lab's field personnel CID officers gives them
> expanded law enforcement powers... "

Such as the questioning of suspects like we see them do all the damn time anyway. Nice touch bridging that gap there, G.

> "'S an internal investigation, right? So you figure it was an
> inside job. Better not to involve anyone who's normally assigned to HQ.
> If I need help, I've got people I can call."

Niel, XXX, Master Chief, right off the top of my head; Corwin or Utena ? Hmm. Dates dont quite match up, so most of the CSI team would be tied up with who shot WHeeljack I think during the time around Utena and Corwin's wedding... And come to think of it last episode we saw Valient taking AoN on their summer tour still. Ok, so maybe not Corwin or Utena. But I digress..

> Geoff folded his hands behind his back and stared straight ahead
> at the elevator doors, his face stonily impassive save for a tiny hint
> of a smile tugging at the corners of his mouth.

An expression readily familiar to readers of Chris Dee's Cat Tales as the Twitch smile.

> "Actually... hang out for a second," Greg said. "I could use a
> volunteer from the audience." Seeing her face tighten, he added, "No,
> don't worry, it's nothing weird. I know you think all my holidays are
> excuses to do crazy things with fudge sauce, but hear me out."

Which really isnt fair, because IIRC you mentioned that there pretty much was only one holiday that actually had to do with fudge sauce/pudding...

Greg is the one singing Barrett's Privateers?? *boggle*

> "You know, it's funny. Vincent was right. I -did- go to
> Vulcan hoping I'd learn how to turn my emotions off." She sighed deeply
> and climbed to her feet. "Obviously it didn't -work-," she added wryly,
> "or I wouldn't feel bad about being an emotional cripple."

Well, maybe it would have worked better if it had been a concious decision, Sara. the unconcious mind is funny that way.

> "You weren't thinking of going out on the street alone, were
> you, Inspector?" he asked.
> "How the hell did you - never mind." Catherine raked her hands
> through her hair, blinking rapidly in an effort to wake up. "Do you
> sleep?"
> "Never on the firm's time, ma'am," Geoff replied stolidly.

Suddenly Geoff's making me envision the MIB rif. and it is very very good...

> Catherine stared at the entry in disbelief. "Tim Speedle? From
> the day shift? Why the hell would he do that?" She looked from the
> monitor to Cortana's avatar. "Is it possible that there's another layer
> to this? That someone else did all this and tried to make it look like
> Speedle was framing Greg?"

Nope. which is a shame, and I personally say the only reason Speedle is the dirty guy is cause I was SOOOO vocal in my pointing the finger at Echly.

> He knew this wasn't
> Catherine's own house; though he'd never been there, he remembered from
> some previous conversation that she lived in Crescent Heights, a few
> streets over from the Chief's place.

Bet its Grissoms.

> "You let your -beetle- up on the -couch-?" she asked.
> Grissom shrugged. "He can't see the TV from the floor." He
> extended a large metal bowl. "Chapulin?"

OMG... You guys HAD to have way to much fun blocking this scene out. Though UF Griss as being this into his entemology strikes me as being borderline obsessive.

> "What are you watching?"
> Grissom blinked. "You've never seen 'Them!'?"

That's not helping G...

> Grissom shook his head. "Enrique hates ants," he said. "He
> roots for the people."

*Shatter*

> "Not for the moment. There's still a potential conflict. I
> shouldn't get involved again until you and the others have followed the
> evidence chain all the way to the end. Call me, though, if you need
> anything."

See Cath? I TOLD YOU SO. :P

> Eric "Newfoundland Time" Delko

Now this, I dont get. Ok, I assume its a dig on Delko getting into work on time; but if its come from the source I thought newfoundland and Miami were both eastern timezone...

> Sara put her other hand on the table and leaned over him.
> "Conrad -Ecklie-? You stole money from evidence to finance a hit on
> Nick masterminded by ECKLIE?" Standing up, she folded her arms and
> glared at him, her primary ears pinned back. "I can't believe I saved
> your frickin' life."

Now have I, or have I not been saying Echlie was behind it all along???

> "Grissom sleeps?"
> "Amazing but true. I've seen it."

Yeah Warrick, I know how you feel. You know he must, but somehow you just cant quite visualise it?

> "Great. C'mon down, we need a bank teller."
> "You need a -bank-... okay, this I gotta see."

another scene you folks had WAAAAY to much fun with, I see. Thank Skuld Lulu's in bed, or she'd be ready to mug me over all the obscure chorteling I've done so far.

> Nick, who had watched it all unfold
> in his role as the single hapless bank employee one of the strike team
> would have to interact with, was impressed - so much so that he rather
> wished he could go with them and play a part in the actual caper.

I'd arge that point. Not a heist, small H, but a Heist, capitol, like something out of the Great Train robbery or Ocean's 11, ect...

Oh, and even more embarassing in the fact it just click that its the same team that basicly took Klavvor's brand new toy out during the invasion to boot. Defiatly going for maximum psychological warfare there. Hope we get to see more of this from the other side during later parts of Symph 5...

> "Get -him- out of here," he said.

boy... Kelshar's deveoping a real Nick freakout right about now, isnt he?

> As they waited on line in the near-empty burger stand, Geoff
> expounded on the 'secret' menu at In-n-Out, while Warrick put in
> supplementary information.

Now that is really interesting, as I have yet to come across an In n Out that was not packed to the rafters. and shouldnt they be waiting In line not On line?

> The Black Hoods might not care
> about collateral damage, but he had come to care about it.

Between Logan and the other marvel tranplants, they do pretty good work as far as turning programmed killers back into people, dont they?

> "I don't like this," Geoff said. "Let's get this stuff inside.
> I think this is going to be another busy night for everybody."

Geoff... dont you ever learn? The very fact you said that... well I'm not quite willing to bet Agent A has a K unit attack laid on, because even if she did it wouldnt really be much for the CSI team; but everyone else is probobly gonna be crawlin out the woodwork... PS, I swear to GOD I wrote that before reading the next paragraph!!!

> <GIOL'BERTIS GRISSOM, WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU?>

I dunno, I swear it sounds more Klingon than Salusian, guys.

> With a snapping hiss he'd heard only a couple of times before in
> his life, a brilliant green bar of light sprang into being before his
> eyes,

Gil, if not a fullup Jedi is at least Lightsaber proficient? LIke I said a couple 10k ago, you either really Hate warrik or he'd getting something really nice later....

> Catherine rolled her eyes at him. "You have a gift for
> understatement," she observed. As she put her wineglass down on the end
> table next to her chair, the gleaming green gem affixed by a silver band
> around her slim wrist caught her eye, and she paused to contemplate it
> for a few moments.

well, clearly I am still confused, as its really hard to tell if this is part of Brightest Day or Skuld did, in fact, give Cath "THE TEST". Cant wait till you decide to let us in on it...


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14. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >> Eric "Newfoundland Time" Delko
>
>Now this, I dont get. Ok, I assume its a dig on Delko getting into
>work on time; but if its come from the source I thought newfoundland
>and Miami were both eastern timezone...

Newfoundland is in the Newfoundland timezone, which is a half-hour ahead of Atlantic time, (and thus an hour and a half ahead of Miami).

Gryphon, being near the border, obviously knows the classic bit on Canadian TV and Radio: Saying that a show will be on at x:00, x:30 in Newfoundland.

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15. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >Gryphon, being near the border, obviously knows the classic bit on
>Canadian TV and Radio: Saying that a show will be on at x:00, x:30 in
>Newfoundland.

Indeed: everything is half an hour later in Newfoundland.

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24. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   Which is also why there's a lot of 'Dumb Newfie' jokes in Canada, they're all a half hour slow. 8P

Or as one comedian put it, "For those of you who don't know what a Newfie is, they're like a Polack, but not quite as smart."

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18. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >> Just tell us... " He reached into his inside jacket pocket, took out
>> his dataglasses, and slipped them on. "... where you want us."
>
>Umm, Horatio... She just TOLD you where, like 5 lines back!

Don't be so literal. He's talking about her handing out work assignments at that meeting, not just agreeing that they'll show up for the meeting...

>I take it the glasses of
>justice stich has grown more pronounced than I seem to recall from the
>inital crossover launch?

Heh. Horatio takes off or puts on his sunglasses more often than he kills people, which is saying something, believe me. :)

>> "Hell if I know," Catherine replied irritably. "Probably
>> communing with his dominatrix."
>
>Low blow, Cath.

Well, yes, yes it is. Sheesh, you people. You complain that Catherine isn't irritable enough, you complain that she's too grumpy...

>Oh. actually, Horatio's line here was almost a let down though. I'd
>expected somehing more witty, given that he pulled out the GLASSES O
>JUSTICE

It's plenty witty if you've seen Real Genius.

>Which really isnt fair, because IIRC you mentioned that there pretty
>much was only one holiday that actually had to do with fudge
>sauce/pudding...

Fudge sauce gets its own holiday (commemorating a tanker crash during the early colonial period that the natives found most intriguing), but the one Sara is thinking of is Terzayyl.

> Though UF Griss as being this into his entemology strikes me as being
>borderline obsessive.

I doubt the chapulins have anything to do with entomology, per se; they're just tasty. (And healthier than potato chips!)

>Now that is really interesting, as I have yet to come across an In n
>Out that was not packed to the rafters.

There aren't that many people in the city center on a Sunday afternoon; that particular InO does most of its business from the workday lunch and dinner crowd. The rest of the time it's pretty much deserted except for cops and EMTs. You would think the local Black Hood contingent would know that, but then, their current Q-Boss is a relative newbie, since the previous one got fried back in Requiem for a Lensman.

>and shouldnt they be waiting
>In line not On line?

Tomato, tomahto...

>> <GIOL'BERTIS GRISSOM, WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU?>
>
>I dunno, I swear it sounds more Klingon than Salusian, guys.

Don't be silly. In Klingon "Gilbert" is spelled ghIlb'rD.

>well, clearly I am still confused, as its really hard to tell if this
>is part of Brightest Day or Skuld did, in fact, give Cath "THE TEST".
>Cant wait till you decide to let us in on it...

I would've thought the conversation in the next few paragraphs after the part you quoted made it fairly plain (coupled with Gryphon's earlier remarks to Grissom, which were immediately followed by Catherine appearing on the Lens network), but I guess not.

And no, it's not that I have anything against Warrick. I just haven't figured out what he's particularly good at.

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20. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >> Though UF Griss as being this into his entemology strikes me as being
>>borderline obsessive.
>
>I doubt the chapulins have anything to do with entomology, per se;
>they're just tasty. (And healthier than potato chips!)

And they're Enrique's favorite movie snack. Popcorn hulls get stuck in his sabers right at the joints. It's a pain.



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21. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >> Though UF Griss as being this into his entemology strikes me as being
>>borderline obsessive.
>
>I doubt the chapulins have anything to do with entomology, per se;
>they're just tasty. (And healthier than potato chips!)
>
Actually, what I had in mind here was more along the lines of Enrique clearly having the same rights, privileges, and responsibilities that accrue to any other family pet.


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22. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >Actually, what I had in mind here was more along the lines of Enrique
>clearly having the same rights, privileges, and responsibilities that
>accrue to any other family pet.

Oh. Well, he's clearly got more personality than your average Madagascar hissing cockroach. Like Grissom told Gryphon back in "Locard's Exchange", Ragol is an entomologist's paradise.

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23. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   Horatio Caine + Real Genius = logic break.

I can see it now. Him showing up at the science club meeting one day,

"I couldn't sleep last night, so I..."

*dataglasses*

"made you a sweater".

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38. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >>Oh. actually, Horatio's line here was almost a let down though. I'd
>>expected somehing more witty, given that he pulled out the GLASSES O
>>JUSTICE
>
>It's plenty witty if you've seen Real Genius.

I play D&D with some people 10 years younger than I, and I recently had this experience:

Me: "This is Jesus, Kent."
Young'uns: *Blank Stare*
Me: Um, Real Genius?
Young'uns: *Even Blanker Stares*
Me: I feel old....

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19. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-27-07 AT 12:44 PM (EST)
 
><Reads Flashback>
>Oh. actually, Horatio's line here was almost a let down though. I'd
>expected somehing more witty, given that he pulled out the GLASSES O
>JUSTICE

OK, you need to go down to your local video store and get a copy of 'Real Genius' ASAP. Then try to bend your mind around David Caruso quoting Michelle Meyrink in that movie - you'll know it when you see it.

>> "Get -him- out of here," he said.
>
>boy... Kelshar's deveoping a real Nick freakout right about now, isnt
>he?

You get some freaking AIR-BREATHER horning in on your action, and he managed is by'ph it up so completely? I'd be freaking too if someone the papers had said was dead walked in to interrogate me.

>> The Black Hoods might not care
>> about collateral damage, but he had come to care about it.
>
>Between Logan and the other marvel tranplants, they do pretty good
>work as far as turning programmed killers back into people, dont they?

To be fair, he also had the help of an order of pistol-packing priests to start the process off.

>> <GIOL'BERTIS GRISSOM, WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU?>
>
>I dunno, I swear it sounds more Klingon than Salusian, guys.

Not enough Qs.

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26. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >Not really having followed much of CSI:M myself, I take it the glasses of
>justice stich has grown more pronounced than I seem to recall from the
>inital crossover launch?

It's grown with David Caruso's fermentation of his eccentric characterization of Horatio.

Which is to say holding pretty steady since early season one, yes. :)


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31. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >>Not really having followed much of CSI:M myself, I take it the glasses of
>>justice stich has grown more pronounced than I seem to recall from the
>>inital crossover launch?

Ranger. Go here:

http://tinyurl.com/3as3c5

and watch that, and then tell us about the glasses of justice again. ;)

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42. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   Huh. He doesn't look very much like I'd pictured at all.

I'd gotten the impression of this looming, Leon McNichol type, see. With CoH Slicks.

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13. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   On one hand, I really liked a lot of this episode, and there were definitely many, many good parts to it. On the other hand, there were a number of parts that felt kind of rushed, not-quite-ready-for-prime-time, if you know what I mean. I think the best way to describe it is that they felt like those scenes where the criminalist hands the tech the evidence, we see a quick montage of them processing, and then they provide the results. Only those usually skip just the unnecessary bits, whereas I felt that some of the skipped pieces here were necessary, for flow if nothing else. I'll have to re-read it and give specific examples when I have a little more time - I did the initial ready at 6:45am when I got up this morning :)

That being said, I still enjoyed it, and look forward to seeing various bits that have been revealed come together down the line. It's nice to know that Clarissa has been "revealed" - I wonder how the rest of her contemporaries and their compatriots will react - I'm sure a few of them will be kicking themselves for not killing her in school when the were younger :) And then there's the question of what will happen to the Broadbank adults - her parents may not have known they were doing so (though one wonders about that), but they were definitely providing material support and refuge to a wanted criminal and known terrorist organization...

Here's hoping we get to find out what happens to all the dangling storylines one of these days :)

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27. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   Quick reply before I read the rest of the thread, as I'm not even halfway through the story yet -- but did anyone happen to see the name Speedle and think it was Sara's new nickname?

Or is it just my lack of familiarity with the minor characters on the show?

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   >Or is it just my lack of familiarity with the minor characters on the
>show?

I don't know as I'd call Speed a minor character - he was one of the main CSIs on the first two seasons of the Miami show - but canonically, he has been dead for a rather long time. (He was killed off in the CSI: Miami season 3 premiere.)

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   >>Or is it just my lack of familiarity with the minor characters on the
>>show?
>
>I don't know as I'd call Speed a minor character - he was one
>of the main CSIs on the first two seasons of the Miami show - but
>canonically, he has been dead for a rather long time. (He was killed
>off in the CSI: Miami season 3 premiere.)
>
>--G.

Yeah, that'd explain it alright. I've seen about a dozen eps of Miami, all told, and I have no clue what season any of them was in. They just don't get shown around me at times that I'm looking to watch CSI stuff.

Oh, and a damn cool story, all in all.

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35. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >Quick reply before I read the rest of the thread, as I'm not even
>halfway through the story yet -- but did anyone happen to see the name
>Speedle and think it was Sara's new nickname?

I'm just waiting for him to become her archnemesis, Professor Speed. :)

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33. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-28-07 AT 05:30 AM (EST)
 
Great episode. Good story that cranked into overdrive right when you think things were winding down.

>"Come with me," she said. "I want to try a little experiment."

Greg you fool. Working for Grissom for longer than a week should have taught you to hide under the desk when you hear that phrase.

>"I understand Ben showed you the toy box last night." Nick coughed. Both women ignored him. "What'd you think?"
> "Interesting," Catherine replied, her expression guarded. "I'm... thinking about it."

I'm still holding out hope that if this does end up being the Green Lantern Corps, that the uniform will be the version from Hal Jordan's Green Lantern Marine Corps from the unintentionally hilarious Superman: Red Son. Mostly because Cath in a bomber jacket and flight cap with goggles is a vastly appealing image to me. And if I remember correctly somebody mentioned already that spandex jumpsuits aren't all that practical for office wear, unless you're Makoto Kusanagi.

>Before the Master Chief could answer, the elevator arrived again, this time bearing the redheaded woman from the first floor.
>"Hey, Dad, I - whoa! Dead guy sighting! Shit, sorry. I'm probably not supposed to see you."

That cracked me up. Having formidiable young red headed women call him Dad was probably not under the perview of the Master Chief's Things SPARTAN Soldiers Need To Know. Such is life in the service of Her Majesty's Royal Navy.

>"Conrad asked me to grab it. I didn't know that was what he wanted it for."

Dayum. I commented that Ecklie went over to the far end on the asshole scale, but I didn't know he cranked it up to 11.

>"Oh, and Willows says you can't come with us. Sadly."
>Nick sighed. "Oh well. So much for my secret dream."

Pffft. You're in the IPO Nick, don't be so sure.

>Another Interesting Fact About Working On Alderaan

Again, dayum. I guess having a assload of Jedi crawling around can't even put a damper on the action on Alderaan: Wretched Hive of Scum And Villany.

>"What?!" Cath's voice came from the link. "What did you do, shoot a toaster?"

Thanks to BSG, I now unconsciously make a Cylon joke whenever somebody says something like that involving toasters.

>Brass holstered his sidearm with a little more vehemence than was strictly necessary. "Damn. If I'd thought she'd have something like that, I would >have suggested a hot entry. Maybe gas."

This seems like a fairly significant lapse in judgement on Brass' part, and Grissom too maybe. Broadbank was the ranking Big Fire operative for New Avalon, she wasn't just going to be some random schlub of a Black Hood with a blaster. I know that all hell had broken loose around the city and help was pretty wanting but man, I mean he didn't know Griss was a Jedi, so it was one plain clothes cop and a criminalist going to apprehend a terrorist who was the driving force behind that nights crapfest. Not even kicking the lounge couch to see if a couple blue suiters fell out?

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34. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-31-07 AT 06:23 AM (EST)
 
***WARNING! SPOILER ALERT!***

>This seems like a fairly significant lapse in judgment on Brass'
>part, and Grissom too maybe.

I don't think it's so much a lapse in their judgment, as their inability to bring back-up is explained in the following paragraph:

Brass sighed. "We should have brought more people with us. A
tac team. Or at least Ragnarsson."

"I don't think Sgt. Ragnarsson would have fit through the door,
Jim," Grissom pointed out. "Anyway, we didn't have more people to
bring. Miss Broadbank's little campaign of terror saw to that - by
design, I expect."

All in all, I was pleasantly amazed at how wonderfully meaty and fulfilling this installation was. There was so much going one: the CSI becoming part of the CID; the Klingon bank robbery (hah! Shades of Ocean's 11, for some reason); Cath & Nick earning the Lens; and Grissom's revelation as a Jedi Knight. Very big scope, I felt.

I look forward to how the next installment handles the cliffhangers: Ecklie's identity, Project "Brightest Day", Clarissa's exposure... and Master Sgt. as "Dad" (maybe I'm reading too much into the last one, but I'm really curious as to read the back-story of why she calls him "Dad").

One quick note on a small mechanical error: duplicated letter in the following sentence:

At that point, hhe made certain that each of them was
accompanied not only by tactical personnel, but also by at least one
member of a Special Assignment group.

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36. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >I'm still holding out hope that if this does end up being the Green
>Lantern Corps, that the uniform will be the version from Hal Jordan's
>Green Lantern Marine Corps from the unintentionally hilarious
>Superman: Red Son.

I was disappointed by what pussies the GLs were in that, but they did have a pretty cool-looking uniform.

>>Another Interesting Fact About Working On Alderaan
>
>Again, dayum. I guess having a assload of Jedi crawling around can't
>even put a damper on the action on Alderaan: Wretched Hive of Scum
>And Villany.

Actually, it's quite a pleasant hive of scum and villainy, as these things go. The thing about the Jedi Order is that, though they have a giant temple in the nice part of Aldera, it's in the nice part of Aldera, and they're not cops, per se, so they don't have a lot to do with the day-to-day policing of the rest of the planet. Their organization primarily looks outward rather than inward, as it were. They have been known to help out the Royal Alderaan Constabulary with various matters, but only when they're asked to by the local authorities, who are historically reluctant to involve them in anything smaller than, say, a terrorist plot to blow up the city. (And, as it happened, Horatio and his people handled that without much help. He doesn't look it, but the guy's a one-man SWAT team. It's uncanny. The day shift in New Avalon is going to find working for him a fascinating adjustment after Ecklie's "field work is for the weak" leadership style. :)

>it was one plain clothes cop
>and a criminalist going to apprehend a terrorist who was the driving
>force behind that nights crapfest. Not even kicking the lounge couch
>to see if a couple blue suiters fell out?

Well, apart from the fact that the lounge couch didn't have anybody in it, this is attributable to fatigue as much as anything else. These guys have had a long last few days. Besides, Brass is a good cop, but he has a few blind spots, and one of them is that he's just not the sort of guy who would be inclined to take someone like Clarissa entirely seriously at first. Sure, she might be high up in the local Big Fire hierarchy, but on the other hand, she's a 19-year-old former debutante. From Brass's perspective, this would be a little like being told that one of the Hilton sisters was running the local al-Qaeda cell. You might believe it says that on paper, but, I mean, what?

Fortunately, that's the kind of mistake Brass only makes once about any given suspect.

From an out-of-story standpoint, there's also a simple question of structure. Technically you're right - for an apprehension like this, the Chief probably should've found somebody, or even gone along himself - but that would have gotten in the way.

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41. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >Actually, it's quite a pleasant hive of scum and villainy, as these
>things go. The thing about the Jedi Order is that, though they have a
>giant temple in the nice part of Aldera, it's in the nice part
>of Aldera, and they're not cops, per se, so they don't have a lot to
>do with the day-to-day policing of the rest of the planet. Their
>organization primarily looks outward rather than inward, as it were.

So, it would be fair to say that like the force itself, Aldera has both a light and dark side? *snicker*

although, if you think of it, it does make sense in an additional way... as most people would figure "no one would be ballsy enough to set up shop THERE", IE following along with the misconception above; clearly then it makes a great place to 'hide in plain sight'...


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44. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >I was disappointed by what pussies the GLs were in that, but they did
>have a pretty cool-looking uniform.

They were Luthor goons against a preCrisis Superman. They didn't stand a chance. Still, snazzy outfits.

>The thing about the Jedi Order is that, though they have a giant temple in the nice part of Aldera

I'm rereading all the CSIs just to catch myself up, and while on Parallel Lines it mentions that Grissom has known Jaime Hyneman and Adam Savage for awhile. And with Griss being revealed as a Jedi, it just struck me where he could know Jaime from. The Order! Was this plotted out that far in advance or am I just drawing connections where there are none?

>Well, apart from the fact that the lounge couch didn't have anybody in
>it, this is attributable to fatigue as much as anything else. These
>guys have had a long last few days. Besides, Brass is a good cop, but
>he has a few blind spots, and one of them is that he's just not the
>sort of guy who would be inclined to take someone like Clarissa
>entirely seriously at first. Sure, she might be high up in the local
>Big Fire hierarchy, but on the other hand, she's a 19-year-old former
>debutante. From Brass's perspective, this would be a little like
>being told that one of the Hilton sisters was running the local
>al-Qaeda cell. You might believe it says that on paper, but, I
>mean, what?
>
>Fortunately, that's the kind of mistake Brass only makes once about
>any given suspect.
>
>From an out-of-story standpoint, there's also a simple question of
>structure. Technically you're right - for an apprehension like this,
>the Chief probably should've found somebody, or even gone along
>himself - but that would have gotten in the way.

Oh yeah, from a writing standpoint this is the "mid season" climax, so of course Broadbank has to escape, metaphorically twirling her mustache. It's part of the continuing ramp up for the "season finale." But, I take your point about unconsciously underestimating Clarissa, especially through the context of what they went through that night. I just had a "huh" moment there. I mean, Brass got tossed around by Geoff Depew a year earlier, so I figured he would have thought twice :D

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47. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >Besides, Brass is a good cop, but
>he has a few blind spots, and one of them is that he's just not the
>sort of guy who would be inclined to take someone like Clarissa
>entirely seriously at first. Sure, she might be high up in the local
>Big Fire hierarchy, but on the other hand, she's a 19-year-old former
>debutante.
>

I'd also point out that "high up in the local Big Fire hierarchy" does not automatically equal "rising star in Big Fire, sponsored by one of the Magnificent Ten, and considered so promising that they'll install a one-shot transporter pad as an escape route."

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37. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   Well, that clears up something that was bothering me: on a gut level I thought Ecklie was the most likely suspect, but at the same time it seemed way more evil than his characterization.

Simply explained by his being a really good actor impersonating Ecklie. Evil masquerading as jerkass. ^.^ Well done!

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45. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   Another excellent episode. After chewing on it for a while a number of thoughts arise:

First, somebody need to go grab the real Ecklie and put the thumbscrews on him, since there's a decent chance he was complicit in his impersonation, especially given its depth.

Second, I'll bet the diary was planted Faux-Ecklie was far too sharp to make an amateur mistake like keeping a plaintext diary. And why encode only part of it, especially when you have access to a code that will take Cortana some time to crack? The plaintext was to show that it had value and the encrypted text was there to slow down the reaction when it was found.

Third, Big Fire expended a lot of resources for not much apparent result. Yeah, they caused a lot of mayhem, but they can do that without giving away their mook dens or Agent A's identity. It seems likely to me that the chaos was a distraction that allowed them to grab something or set something up. What, I have no idea. We'll just have to wait and see.

Of course, this is all just rampant speculation. It is entirely likely that these assertions have no basis in (fictional) reality.

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46. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   What Big Fire gained (I think) goes back all the way to what Alberto said during the debut of the K-units. People in New Avalon feeling like the IPO can't protect them, that the city isn't as safe as they think.

As a practical op, yeah, this probably goes in the loss column, but for a political op, it's probably at least a partial win.

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48. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >People in New Avalon feeling
>like the IPO can't protect them, that the city isn't as safe as they
>think.

On the other hand, any small children who happened to see Sara, Greg, and Sgt. Ragnarsson drive past on the way to a crime scene have a memory to cherish forever.

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49. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >On the other hand, any small children who happened to see Sara, Greg,
>and Sgt. Ragnarsson drive past on the way to a crime scene have a
>memory to cherish forever.
>

Very true! :D

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51. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   Polychrome said:
It seems likely to me that the chaos was a distraction that allowed them to grab something or set something up. What, I have no idea. We'll just have to wait and see.

I had a scary thought... Why stop at only one thing behind the scenes? It could be several things stolen in the mass outbreak of mayhem. Heck maybe some of the overt action was stuff or people that Big Fire really wanted and the mayhem is covering it up. I don't think we know what it could be until our heroes look at all the things stolen and add it up :S

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52. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   >I don't think we know
>what it could be until our heroes look at all the things stolen and
>add it up

And maybe not even then. If you want to disguise what you're doing along these lines, the way to do it is to grab so much stuff that you could be doing anything, so nobody can narrow it down. That would certainly explain the sheer scale of the operation.


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54. "RE: CSINA 109 - Outward Trajectory."
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   Also provides a means to buffer the losses by adding lotsa would-be-nice items and other stuff they could probably sell off for a quick buck. How much you wanna bet that more than one drug lab got raided by Black Hoods that night?


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