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Matrix Dragon
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Apr-07-11, 01:16 AM (EDT) |
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2. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-07-11 AT 01:17 AM (EDT) I love any appearance of Tali, and throwing G in and bringing their relationship back into the readers view is perfect. The rest of the story, with the Geth worshiping Unicron (Expected, I think, but still done great), and appearances of Normandy and Lightcycles, was great fun.Actually, it might not hurt in this case to put a link to this thread, or a HTML version of this mini, between CR5 and 6, when it's released. Am I right in thinking that the Vehicons appearing in this story are the same as where seen in Collision Courses? Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter |
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Gryphon
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Apr-07-11, 11:26 AM (EDT) |
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8. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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>Am I right in thinking that the Vehicons appearing in this story are >the same as where seen in Collision Courses? Yeah, the geth cycle drones are pretty much Thrust, except for their gethy heads (and they probably aren't purple). When we see The Berlin Encounter again (you'll notice that the two released parts of CC have made their way to the Dustbin, owing to the way CR is developing), the Vehicons there will be different. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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WengFook
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Apr-07-11, 02:37 AM (EDT) |
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3. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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That was nice. I wasn't expecting Tali right after the Hitchiker's guide but damn it was good to see her on screen again. :D Everything from the Lightcycle race to the discovery about where Unicron was being rebuilt and hiding out was just a blast to read through. I find it interesting that UF-Gryphon feels that Tali'Shukra is the one he wants to be not-alone with out of all the other ladies he has been with over the years, was it the amount of time they spent together or simply that she is the most complimentary for him? Also, Unicron is the Reaper of worlds? I think Shepard has found her reaper threat in the UF verse. :D
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Gryphon
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Apr-07-11, 11:28 AM (EDT) |
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9. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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>It's entirely too convenient of a plot device to use, but they could >always pull the AT&T (Armored Tyranny and Terror) sphere out of >mothballs. Planet sized machine god, meet moon sized planet >destroying super-weapon.You might want to consider, as you envision this, that Alderaan wasn't armored, nor capable of maneuvering or counterattacking. That might affect the outcome somewhat. Also, it depends on your definition of "mothballs". :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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trigger
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Apr-07-11, 07:09 PM (EDT) |
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14. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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The Gelth I expected. The shacking up offer, I did not. Nor did I expect, after all this time, for Gryph to be so broken. I'm a hopeless romantic, and I had to read that part a couple times. Ye gods. After that the Unicron stuff hardly registered. It reminded me a bit of an English novel of manners. All that heartfelt, but utter restraint, and determination not to hurt, and not to damage. All without the adolescent angst. I'm impressed, but really, who acts like that outside of literature? t. Trigger Argee trigger_argee@hotmail.com Manon, Maccadon, Orado, etc. Denton, never leave home without it. "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - HST |
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Gryphon
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Apr-07-11, 09:14 PM (EDT) |
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15. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-07-11 AT 09:15 PM (EDT) >The Gelth I expected.This produces a deeply entertaining mental image, inasmuch as the Gelth are the shrieky murderous ethereal aliens from the Charles Dickens episode of Doctor Who ("I'm gonna die in a dungeon! In Cardiff!"), not the rogue AI constructs from Mass Effect. :) >The shacking up offer, I did not. Nor did I >expect, after all this time, for Gryph to be so broken. It's interesting that the scene gives you the impression that he's "broken", since that's not at all the effect I was aiming for. I mean, yes, he's bit preoccupied in that last scene, but that's largely because the sudden and unexpected encounter with the dread shadow of Unicron has quite knocked his other train of thought all ahoo and he needs to take a couple of moments to chase it all back into order again before he can articulate it, not because he's having some kind of a breakdown. --G. "Pity the geth, Tali-creator." -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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trigger
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19. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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- Sorry about the Gelth/Geth typo. That is kinda funny, isn't it? The Geth seem like an excellent Doctor Who enemy. So does Unicron. >>It's interesting that the scene gives you the impression that he's >>"broken", since that's not at all the effect I was aiming for. I >>mean, yes, he's bit preoccupied in that last scene, but that's largely >>because the sudden and unexpected encounter with the dread shadow of >>Unicron has quite knocked his other train of thought all ahoo and he >>needs to take a couple of moments to chase it all back into order >>again before he can articulate it, not because he's having some kind >>of a breakdown. > >I didn't take it as a breakdown, so much as G admitting how much he >wanted Tali in his life more. I quite liked that scene actually. I like the scene too. But you've got to admit, given how bloody passionate some of their correspondence has been, the whole scene is so underplayed. That isn't so say there isn't love, and deep friendship oozing all over the scene, just that Gryph's way of asking so...out of character given all the other times he's asked someone out/to bed/marriage in UF. It wasn't even played as a joke. Just kinda rawly stated. Tali of course, called it right, which is what bought me back to the whole question: why is Gryph (who has his faults) charging across the universe to ask a woman a question she isn't expecting? That's why I thought he was broken. The sort of need his actions imply is pretty astonishing. but hey, I probably have my drama queen hat on this week. Clearly been reading too much Heyer and Sayers this year. I should get back to my stats until this all passes... t. Trigger Argee trigger_argee@hotmail.com Manon, Maccadon, Orado, etc. Denton, never leave home without it.
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Gryphon
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Apr-08-11, 03:31 PM (EDT) |
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20. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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>why is Gryph (who has his faults) charging across the >universe to ask a woman a question she isn't expecting?Well... no time like the present! >That's why I >thought he was broken. The sort of need his actions imply is pretty >astonishing. He had intended to approach the matter somewhat differently, but the fact that he arrived to an imminent crisis that led directly to the discovery that the geth worship Unicron rather altered the case. His sudden appearance on the scene in the Dholen system, of all places, was supposed to seem whimsical - a bit of charming unpredictability - but that was in the same notional world of things-going-according-to-plan in which Tali's shuttle wasn't detected and her team didn't get wiped out by the geth. After all that happened instead of what they both were expecting, he probably would have put the question off altogether if she hadn't asked him about it - laid aside as inappropriate while the cosmic threat was still on the table. Anyway, I certainly intended to present it so that it was obvious he was taking the whole thing very seriously - he believes, and I believe, that Tali deserves to be shown that up front - but, honestly, the wounded-animal effect was not intentional, at least not consciously so. It is something he feels very strongly about, but at the same time, he fully recognizes that she's probably got other stuff to do. He's trying very hard not to apply any pressure, or even give the appearance of applying pressure; and so, recognizing that this is Tali'Shukra he's dealing with here, after all, he just comes right out with it and lets the chips fall where they may. The simplest explanation is probably the best one - Ockham's razor. >but hey, I probably have my drama queen hat on this week. Clearly >been reading too much Heyer and Sayers this year. It does bear a certain resemblance to the end of Gaudy Night, now that you bring Sayers up. "Placetne, magistra?" Though she hasn't led him nearly as merry a chase as Harriet led Lord Peter - at least not on purpose. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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trboturtle2
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Apr-08-11, 09:04 PM (EDT) |
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21. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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Does Gryphon have someone keeping track of his lady friends? Seems like to me SOMEBODY has to be doing it...... B-D Craig ---------------------------- IAMTW-Nominated Author Author of the Battletech Novels, Icons of War, Elements of Treason: Duty, Elements of Treason: Opportunity, and Elements of Treason: Honor Co-author of Four Outcast Ops novels -- African Firestorm, Red Ice, Watchlist, and Shadow Government. Author of the The Russia-Ukraine War Factbook (Vol 1) All-around nice guy! |
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The Traitor
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Apr-17-11, 01:50 PM (EDT) |
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49. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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I think the other person didn't so much mean "stalking every girl he ever hung around with for more'n two seconds" as they did "some poor sap trying desperately to remember all their names for reference later". And in answer to that, insofar as I can offer a credible answer... probably Gryphon himself. If nothing else, he could probably rejig the memory parts of his brain via fine-tuned Detian biocontrol to dredge up some fact from ages ago about who the hot chick currently flirting with him/pointing a large firearm at his head/having at him with a sharp thing actually is. --- "Together we will build an empire of a million shining suns." -- Dave, Dictator of Utopia. "So... you broke my jaw with a monkey wrench, then beat all the hell out of my ribs, six of which are cracked and leaking bone marrow, and finally you kissed me. You must be Erica... aw hell, are you arm-breaky or leg-breaky Erica?" |
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trboturtle2
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Apr-17-11, 07:39 PM (EDT) |
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50. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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>I think the other person didn't so much mean "stalking every girl he >ever hung around with for more'n two seconds" as they did "some poor >sap trying desperately to remember all their names for reference >later". > >And in answer to that, insofar as I can offer a credible answer... >probably Gryphon himself. If nothing else, he could probably rejig the >memory parts of his brain via fine-tuned Detian biocontrol to dredge >up some fact from ages ago about who the hot chick currently flirting >with him/pointing a large firearm at his head/having at him with a >sharp thing actually is. > That's what I meant -- not that he would have a lot of time to stalk any girl. But it does seem that most of the women he gets involved with seem to have a knack of ending up in trouble every so often (while most don't need his help for most cases, every so often they get in over heir heads....)Craig ---------------------------- IAMTW-Nominated Author Author of the Battletech Novels, Icons of War, Elements of Treason: Duty, Elements of Treason: Opportunity, and Elements of Treason: Honor Co-author of Four Outcast Ops novels -- African Firestorm, Red Ice, Watchlist, and Shadow Government. Author of the The Russia-Ukraine War Factbook (Vol 1) All-around nice guy! |
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BeardedFerret
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Apr-09-11, 11:02 AM (EDT) |
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23. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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>>It's interesting that the scene gives you the impression that he's >>"broken", since that's not at all the effect I was aiming for. I >>mean, yes, he's bit preoccupied in that last scene, but that's largely >>because the sudden and unexpected encounter with the dread shadow of >>Unicron has quite knocked his other train of thought all ahoo and he >>needs to take a couple of moments to chase it all back into order >>again before he can articulate it, not because he's having some kind >>of a breakdown. > >I didn't take it as a breakdown, so much as G admitting how much he >wanted Tali in his life more. I quite liked that scene actually. I agree, I think it's a good and quite raw scene, but I still kind of hope Tali ultimately turns him down. Not because she doesn't love him, but because that's not what their relationship is anymore, and (perhaps) Gryph swinging back to pick her up might seem as if he's regressing back to Exile Gryphon, with all that that entails. Beyond that, I reckon she works better as that kind of friend, the near-miss, what-if type that was presented so well in the Correspondance shorts. |
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Bodhi
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Apr-09-11, 09:10 PM (EDT) |
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24. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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Okay, so I'm just a little late to this party, but I had such an intense response to this mini that I thought, "what the hell?" First and foremost I like how the character of Tali and UF-Gryphon's interaction with her hasn't changed. Deepened, matured, yes. But he still is willing to drop anything and everything for her in a crisis and she knows that, and would doubtlessly return the same. She is damn self-reliant, almost dangerously, recklessly so when it's just her neck on the line. I like how that is expressly stated almost as a reason for her not to contact him when things went pear-shaped. And, it feels to me that that is his justification for being willing to come to her "rescue". More simply, it feels like not so much a reunion as a continuance of an ongoing interaction. I'd kinda like to see a database entry on Peter Parker, OJK. I admit is somewhat odd that given all of the humanoid women that associate themselves with Gryphon, he'd seek out the one that he is the least biologically compatible with. Any other considerations aside, and unless I completely missed some detail, they can't even hold hands without one of them being in an encounter suit. On the other hand, maybe he missed her. It didn't offend Tali'Shukra that her son thought she was a soft-sided theoretician with little practical field experience. He wasn't to know that she'd spent the decade before his birth almost constantly on the move, having adventures that made most of his naval career seem like a cushy job at an insurance company. He'd never asked and she hadn't volunteered. That made me laugh. What do you mean that your parents were people long before your came about? Kids, always tactfully ask your parents those penetrating questions, like "So, mom do you have any experience with personal weapons and combat?" or "Hey, isn't that friend of yours, Benjamin actually over 400 years old and a bona-fide samurai?" It might save on the embarrassment. Anyway, great work as always. Nice to see that your talent for interlacing the various details of the source material is still deft. - Bodhi It was a wise man who once said that our enemies make us powerful, but our friends teach us humility. - Don't know where I borrowed this, but I'm not that eloquent and I like the message. |
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Gryphon
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Apr-09-11, 10:23 PM (EDT) |
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26. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-09-11 AT 10:34 PM (EDT) >I admit is somewhat odd that given all of the humanoid women that >associate themselves with Gryphon, he'd seek out the one that he is >the least biologically compatible with.Well, you know how it is. Bunty Bailey's character from the "Take On Me" video wasn't available; you make do. >Any other considerations >aside, and unless I completely missed some detail, they can't even >hold hands without one of them being in an encounter suit. On the >other hand, maybe he missed her. Oh, Mordin took care of that ages ago. They think. They've never actually had an opportunity to test it. >Anyway, great work as always. Nice to see that your talent for >interlacing the various details of the source material is still deft. I wasn't quite sure that bridging the Tron elements over to the "real" world was going to fly, but once I had the sequence all put together, it worked for me. And I've got an explanation for where that technology comes from and why it looks like that on one of the other burners; there are oblique callouts to it in parts of this text. So that's something to look forward to, if you're into that kind of thing... --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Eric Heckathorn
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Apr-09-11, 10:29 PM (EDT) |
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27. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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>Oh, Morden took care of that ages ago. They think. They've never >actually had an opportunity to test it. "What do you want?" "Well..." ;) |
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Bitstream
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Apr-10-11, 12:03 PM (EDT) |
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31. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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So, huh. I wonder if this is why the geth were specifically abducting Minicons then. Considering the source material makes an explicit connection between them and Unicron. A connection that was promptly ignored, but still. I do love that the unexpected reveal of Unicron's influence can still fill me with a sense of looming dread. |
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Gryphon
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Apr-10-11, 08:44 PM (EDT) |
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35. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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>So, huh. I wonder if this is why the geth were specifically abducting >Minicons then. Considering the source material makes an explicit >connection between them and Unicron.Oh! I've only just parsed this properly - you're talking about the link between the Mini-Cons of Transformers Armada and that continuity's version of Unicron. For some daft reason I thought you were talking about a link between the geth and Unicron (by analogy with the link between the geth and Sovereign in the first Mass Effect), and that the Autobots had then "promptly ignored" it in CR5, when in fact it's just that they don't know about it yet. Phew! That's actually a lot less confusing than I thought it was at first. :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Bitstream
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Apr-10-11, 11:51 PM (EDT) |
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36. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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>Phew! That's actually a lot less confusing than I thought it was at >first. :) Hah! Sorry, I should have been more clear. I did wonder why the main point of my musing had been sidestepped, heh. Yes, you have it exactly. I'm afraid my knowledge of the other half of this source material here (the Mass Effect games) is quite small. |
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CdrMike
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Apr-11-11, 03:17 PM (EDT) |
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41. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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>For some daft reason I thought you >were talking about a link between the geth and Unicron (by >analogy with the link between the geth and Sovereign in the first >Mass Effect), and that the Autobots had then "promptly >ignored" it in CR5, when in fact it's just that they don't know >about it yet. Seeing Unicron and Sovereign in the same paragraph now has me thinking of the infamous exchange on Virmire, only now with a wireframe of Unicron instead. "You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."
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Phantom
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Apr-20-11, 06:42 PM (EDT) |
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51. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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Gryph, Excellent story! And thank you for setting up this Tali as the grandmother of the ME/ME2 Tali. I loved your version, but I also loved ME Tali.Once again packed full of completely independent tech that is masterfully fused together in a way that we can believe. I look forward to see CR6 and more. To Those that question why Tali as a companion, Re-Read Star-Crossed. Since Kei, even during the exile, Gryph was very seldom as close to anyone as he was with Tali. Now I am still hoping Kei comes back, but then first crushes die hard ;) The Phantom "When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." |
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Tzukumori
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Apr-12-11, 03:19 AM (EDT) |
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42. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-12-11 AT 03:20 AM (EDT) Admiral Zorah had been against assigning the mission to the Explorer-rated ship commanded by his own mother, but not because he was worried about her safety. Rather, he insisted, he lacked confidence in her ability to deal with complications that might arise, since she had spent his entire life as a Halo researcher and come to exploration only recently. The others, knowing that her technical prowess exceeded that of any other Explorer captain in the Quarian Navy, overruled him.Gryph: "since she had spent _his_ entire life" -- am I parsing that correctly as a strange, albeit creative, way of saying "since she, as far as -he- knew, had spent -her- entire life a Halo researcher"? -T.Z. ================================================== "I believe that when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade. Then find someone whose life gives them vodka and have a party." --Ron White, stand-up comedian. ================================================== |
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Tzukumori
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Apr-12-11, 06:28 AM (EDT) |
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44. "RE: CR/NF: Holiday in the Sun"
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-She had spent last week... -She had spent the last year... -She had spent three summers... -She had spent his entire life...Oh, I get it now. The syntax just gave me pause, that's all. I've never seen "Person A doing something for a duration of time that was expressed from the third-person context of Person B" expressed that way before. I usually see it written as "All his life/as far back as he could remember, she had been doing <insert thingy here>". -T.Z. ================================================== "I believe that when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade. Then find someone whose life gives them vodka and have a party." --Ron White, stand-up comedian. ================================================== |
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