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"Palworld"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Feb-01-24 AT 08:51 PM (EST)
 
The latest weird craze to sweep the ranks of hololive is this weird but strangely charming specimen, which more or less appeared out of nowhere in Steam Early Access a couple weeks ago. It's... well, you remember a while back there was a whole spate of games that were basically the survival and crafting mechanics from Minecraft reimplemented as games with more realistic graphics? The most prominent ones I can think of offhand now are RUST and Ark: Survival Evolved, but there have been many, many more. Most never made it out of Early Access. I know about them mainly because various Yogscast members played them a lot for a while there.

Anyway, Palworld is one of those combined with the punch line of every joke anyone has ever told about the stuff that should logically be possible in a Pokémon game, except you're not allowed to because it's a Nintendo IP. The Mostly Uninhabited Land you're dropped into at the beginning with nothing but the mysterious ability to get lumber from trees with your bare fists is crawling with strange, colorful, Legally Distinct creatures called Pals. Which you can catch in strange, colorful, Legally Distinct spherical tech objects* and compel to do your bidding.

Unlike in a Pokémon setting, that bidding is not confined to fighting other people's Pals. You can have them just murder the other people directly if you want! It saves so much time and effort. Mostly, though, when they're not helping you fight bosses, they just hang around your base being automation tools.

Or, if Pal-assisted NPC murder is not your speed, you can always throw a pokéball Pal sphere at the NPC and make him your newest Pal. That is a thing that happens.

This game is dumb and janky in all the best ways. Snark aside, it's really surprisingly polished for the state of completion it's at, but the stuff it's still doing wrong is mostly hilarious (except for its occasional habit of losing saves; certain holomems haven't thought that one was very funny). I've also heard second-hand (someone quoting a developer interview I haven't seen myself) that the Early Access release was a blind hail-Mary pass--that they dropped it in EA on the day they ran out of money, figuring that either they'd sell enough licenses that they could keep going, or it wouldn't and they'd call it a day.

What happened instead was that someone thought to send codes to a few streamers and vtubers a couple-three days before the drop and it blew up, selling a gajillion copies on the first day.

It's safe to say that the game was not ready to succeed on that scale. The multiplayer server performance I've seen on stream, in particular, suggests this in a pretty loud voice. :)

Most of my favorite holos are massively into this game right now, (although Calli is about to abandon it for a month or so while Persona 3 Reload, which came out today in Japan, consumes her soul). In particular, Koseki Bijou and Kaela Kovalskia seem to be in an unofficial race to see who can get to the level cap faster, which Kaela is almost certainly going to win simply because Biboo has to eat and sleep and Kaela, evidently, does not. :)

--G.
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1. "RE: Palworld"
In response to message #0
 
   I have Palworld, and I can confirm that it is 1) very jank, and 2) very fun. Having reached approximately the same level as Kaela and Biboo (but only on one server), my advice to anyone who wants to pick up the game is as follows:

-Build your base on as flat of terrain as you can find. This is because your Pals are incredibly stupid and have a very hard time finding their way up or down any terrain to do their jobs. If possible, cover almost all of your base with foundations, but not all of it, because . . .

-You want to build your base so that one or more Ore spawns (big rusty iron lumps) are within its zone. Your Pals will automatically harvest anything that spawns inside your base (as long as they have the right proficiency), and Ore is the biggest bottleneck. You can build farm plots for Wood and Stone, but not Ore, so having a natural spawn to exploit is important.

-Did I mention your Pals are stupid? Be ready to go back to your base regularly to rescue Pals off of terrain features and any buildings you've built before they starve themselves into KO.

Overall, the game is jank and the AI is bad, but the crafting and base-building is very nice (deconstructing structures and workbenches refunds 100% of the materials used, which is nice coming from other open-world-survival games), and above all the game is fun, which is a good part of why it has exploded in popularity.

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4. "A Couple Things To Add"
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   -Once you unlock and make the requisite item, you can pick up your fox Pal and use it as a flamethrower. We've clearly left the Geneva SuggestionsConventions behind, because . . .

-You can catch Humans the same way you catch Pals. This is deemed "inhumane", but is also useful, because vendors you've caught and deployed at your base will still buy and sell stuff. On the downside however, Humans who were using guns no longer have them once they're on your team, so they're relatively worthless in that regard.

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7. "RE: A Couple Things To Add"
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   You also can't mate with them to increase the tribe, as Bae discovered when she tried to woo Speedwagon, her wandering merchant.


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6. "RE: Palworld"
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   >-Did I mention your Pals are stupid? Be ready to go back to your base
>regularly to rescue Pals off of terrain features and any buildings
>you've built before they starve themselves into KO.

I noticed that Gura's shiny(Lucky?) Pal just casually wandered through her campfire to reach her workbench and set itself ablaze while blithely working away. That's a confluence of stupid and perhaps too much realism that's definitely *concerning*. :3


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8. "RE: Palworld"
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   >I noticed that Gura's shiny(Lucky?) Pal just casually wandered through
>her campfire to reach her workbench and set itself ablaze while
>blithely working away. That's a confluence of stupid and perhaps too
>much realism that's definitely *concerning*. :3

In fairness to the Pals, the players pretty routinely do that too in the streams I watch. :)

--G.
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2. "RE: Palworld"
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   Palworld is the video game equivalent of a tub of knockoff bootleg action figures, and a person's stance on the game can generally be surmised by whether they think that statement is supportive or derogatory.

I am in the latter camp personally, but I also feel that the central conceit rather outstays its welcome by about twenty minutes in and that the Pals themselves - the monster ones - are really boring to look at. Oh well. Perhaps I'm just being a curmudgeonly old battleaxe before my time again. =]

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I'm 31 now and when I joined thus community I was still in secondary school. I'm feeling old so now you get to do so as well. =]


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3. "RE: Palworld"
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   >I'm 31 now and when I joined thus community I was still in
>secondary school. I'm feeling old so now you get to do so as well.
>=]

On a point of order, you've been telling us to feel old since you were in secondary school.

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10. "RE: Palworld"
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   Feel even older, dammit. =]

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24. "RE: Palworld"
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   >Feel even older, dammit. =]
>

Psh. I have a legitmate case to make for only being ~7 years old, you know!

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15. "RE: Palworld"
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   >I'm 31 now and when I joined thus community I was still in
>secondary school. I'm feeling old so now you get to do so as well.
>=]

I'm barely middle-aged, at 46. Won't be old for another 34 years.

L.


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Spectrum
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5. "RE: Palworld"
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   Yeah, Palworld attracts attention because Pokemon but in truth this is really more ARK combined with Rimworld. Your pals are there to Do A Job and enable you to grow your base and automate things further, you really don't need them to collect and fight much outside of a few boss fights.

I've found the AI to actually be mostly decent for pals in base, some occasional rescuing needed but I mostly chose decent spots. One tip I will give instead is to try and find a cul-de-sac or plateau or something, don't pick the wide open crossroads. You want to try and funnel attackers in to better terrain for them to get AoE'd up by, as midgame raids can start getting a little mean with what they send and if you're leveling up reasonably quickly, your base Pals aren't going to keep up while the Raid enemy levels may choose to pick on your character level instead.

Anyway, the game itself is -shockingly- fun and playable and well designed as they dropped it. They most assuredly got lucky that this blew up but this really is something good as is, and they're already patching and continuing to fix bugs.


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9. "RE: Palworld"
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   Unlike a lot of hardcore Pokemon fans (and I am a hardcore pokemon fan, I have a plan to do 50 ingame runs of the various games over the next 2 years), I appreciate Palworld for being a competitor to Pokemon. Not a SERIOUS competitor, but Nintendo has been resting on its laurels for too long and stuff like Scarlet and Violet are NOT the best product we could have been given, there is a laundry list of bugs and the graphics are a step below what the Switch is capable of so I feel as if Pokemon needs more competition to push it to be better.

Some of the Pals are kind of cute- I naturally gravitate towards the grass-type ones, just like in Pokemon- but I think it's mostly coasting off of stuff like Hololive popularity and the luster will wear off pretty quickly once people realize it's not actually a very good game.


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11. "RE: Palworld"
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   I suppose it depends on what makes a game good for you, but I'm personally enjoying Palworld quite a lot. I am definitely giving it some leeway for the fact that it is a $30 Early-Access game from a novice indie team. Ultimately, I think Palworld right now is a great foundation, and my opinion of the product is going to depend on whether the team actually builds on that foundation in the coming months.

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12. "RE: Palworld"
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   >Ultimately, I think Palworld right now is a great
>foundation, and my opinion of the product is going to depend on
>whether the team actually builds on that foundation in the coming
>months.

Also: mods! I've already heard of one that replaces one of the low-level Pals (Cattiva?) with Dino Gura. :)

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13. "RE: Palworld"
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   I wish I had any sort of 3d modeling skills, there's another Pal that would be perfect to replace with the gumdrop gremlin Shiori.

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14. "RE: Palworld"
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   >I wish I had any sort of 3d modeling skills, there's another Pal that
>would be perfect to replace with the
>gumdrop gremlin Shiori.

Ohhh, that's why it's called Gumoss. I see it now!

I wonder whether the Dino Gura modder already had her 3D model to work with. I don't know whether the existing Smol Myth 3D models are out there in the wild, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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22. "RE: Palworld"
In response to message #12
 
   >Also: mods! I've already heard of one that replaces one of the
>low-level Pals (Cattiva?) with
>Dino Gura. :)

And now things have reached their logical conclusion: Gura got permission to introduce Dino Gura into her Palworld server. And yes, they move in herds.

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23. "RE: Palworld"
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   >And yes, they move in herds.

They're also more powerful than Actual Gura, if her first attempt to capture one is anything to go by. :)

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16. "RE: Palworld"
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   As a friend of mine put it,
"It looks like Fortnite and Pokémon had a baby, and hired Ark to be the nanny!"


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17. "Unusually Forgiving"
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   LAST EDITED ON Feb-06-24 AT 11:30 AM (EST)
 
Edited to add screenshot.

One very nice thing in Palworld is even if chunks of your base get destroyed, you can pick up the materials used to build it, up to 100% it seems, so all you really lose is building time. This is especially nice if you're like Kaela and put a badly-aimed rocket into your own base and blow half of it up, you can recover quickly.

No clip, but here's a screenshot.

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18. "RE: Unusually Forgiving"
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   >This is especially
>nice if you're like Kaela and put a badly-aimed rocket into your own
>base and blow half of it up, you can recover quickly.

Huh, I didn't think friendly fire damage was a thing. Calli spent a fair chunk of last night fending off NPC raiders to one of her bases by bombarding them with rocket-propelled grenades from the back of her green Totoro with no ill effects to the buildings or her Pals.

Although, if there were to be a game that would glitch in such a way that this could happen when it wasn't supposed to, and a player who would find said glitch, it would be Palworld and Kaela, respectively. :)

>No clip, but here's a screenshot.

Someone noted the other day that Kaela is basically building one of the facilities the players are salvaging the ruins of in Lethal Company, and this screenshot really points up how true that is. :)

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19. "RE: Unusually Forgiving"
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   >Huh, I didn't think friendly fire damage was a thing. Calli spent a
>fair chunk of last night fending off NPC raiders to one of her bases
>by bombarding them with rocket-propelled grenades from the back of her
>green Totoro with no ill effects to the buildings or her Pals.

There's no friendly fire from Pals to you or structures, and from you to Pals (The grenade launcher Calli was using was an equippable item for her Pal, so it counts as Pal damage for things like that), but there is friendly fire from you to buildings, and from buildings to Pals; this is how you get flaming Lamballs after they step on a campfire, and how Bae burned her house down.

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20. "RE: Unusually Forgiving"
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   >There's no friendly fire from Pals to you or structures, and from you
>to Pals (The grenade launcher Calli was using was an equippable item
>for her Pal, so it counts as Pal damage for things like that)

Oh, of course. Duh.

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21. "RE: Unusually Forgiving"
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   >Someone noted the other day that Kaela is basically building one of
>the facilities the players are salvaging the ruins of in Lethal
>Company
, and this screenshot really points up how true that is. :)

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