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"UF's 25th anniversary..."
 
   ... is this coming Monday.

Does anyone care? Because I'm not 100% sure I do, right at this very moment. :/

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UF's 25th anniversary... [View All] Gryphonadmin Nov-09-16 TOP
  RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Peter Eng Nov-09-16 1
     RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Gryphonadmin Nov-09-16 2
         RE: UF's 25th anniversary... trboturtle2 Nov-11-16 15
     RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Offsides Nov-09-16 3
         RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Gryphonadmin Nov-09-16 4
             RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Offsides Nov-09-16 5
             RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Phantom Nov-14-16 30
  RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Terminus Est Nov-10-16 6
     RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Gryphonadmin Nov-10-16 7
         RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Peter Eng Nov-10-16 8
         RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Nathan Nov-10-16 9
         RE: UF's 25th anniversary... jonathanlennox Nov-10-16 11
         RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Mercutio Nov-11-16 19
             RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Gryphonadmin Nov-11-16 20
  RE: UF's 25th anniversary... MuninsFire Nov-10-16 10
     RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Mister Fnord Nov-10-16 12
         RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Droken Nov-10-16 13
     RE: UF's 25th anniversary... BeardedFerret Nov-10-16 14
  RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Mercutio Nov-11-16 16
     RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Pasha Nov-11-16 21
         RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Bushido Nov-14-16 32
  RE: UF's 25th anniversary... McFortner Nov-11-16 17
  RE: UF's 25th anniversary... drakensis Nov-11-16 18
  RE: UF's 25th anniversary... SneakyPete Nov-11-16 22
  RE: UF's 25th anniversary... trigger Nov-12-16 23
     RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Gryphonadmin Nov-13-16 24
         RE: UF's 25th anniversary... mdg1 Nov-13-16 25
     RE: UF's 25th anniversary... SilenRevered Nov-13-16 26
  RE: UF's 25th anniversary... Gryphonadmin Nov-14-16 27
     RE: UF's 25th anniversary... MuninsFire Nov-14-16 28
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Peter Eng
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1. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   Wow. I hadn't even thought about that.

It's a good thing, although I'm not sure what to do for it.

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2. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   >It's a good thing, although I'm not sure what to do for it.

I was going to try and have something out for it, but I don't know now. I'm not exactly bathing in a vat of mojo right now.

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15. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-11-16 AT 00:12 AM (EST)
 
>>It's a good thing, although I'm not sure what to do for it.
>
>I was going to try and have something out for it, but I don't know
>now. I'm not exactly bathing in a vat of mojo right now.
>
>--G.
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You can borrow some of my Mojo........I have an excess of it at the moment.......

Craig

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African Firestorm, Outcast Ops: Red
Ice, and recently released,
Outcast Ops: Watchlist. All around
semi-nice guy! Really!!


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3. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   Care? Yes.

Have any spoons to do anything with that care? No.

I know the Trumpster sounded a lot less divisive in his victory speech, but the fact that he spent the last 18 months encouraging lots of violent hatred, at least some of it directed to one or more groups that I belong to and/or support, make me very wary of his true intent. I've had The Who rattling around in my brain since ~10am yesterday, and it's still stuck on repeat...

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4. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   yeah so this is basically me and my mom's relationship now


This is where the party ends
I can't stand here listening to you
And your racist friend
I know politics bore you
But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you
And your racist friend

It was the loveliest party that I've ever attended
If anything was broken I'm sure it could be mended
My head can't tolerate this bobbin' and pretendin'
Listen to some bullethead and the madness that he's sayin'

This is where the party ends
I'll just sit here wondering how you
Can stand by your racist friend
I know politics bore you
But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you
You and your racist friend

This is where the party ends
I can't stand here listening to you
And your racist friend
I know politics bore you
But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you
And your racist friend

Out from the kitchen to the bedroom to the hallway
Your friend apologizes, he could see it my way
He let the contents of the bottle do the thinking
Can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding

This is where the party ends
I can't stand here listening to you
And your racist friend
I know politics bore you
But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you
And your racist friend

- They Might Be Giants
"Your Racist Friend"
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5. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   I'm sorry to hear that. I'm lucky that my father-in-law is the only close relation on the other side of the aisle right now, though I certainly have a few cousins who ride the crazy train (in more ways than one, in a couple of cases!).

Good luck with things!

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30. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   Sorry to hear that. It hard when you can't stand your own family.

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." - Sherlock Holmes


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6. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   I don't know about anyone else, but UF has helped me through some pretty rough patches. So yeah, I personally care.

I completely understand not being able to do anything for that anniversary, though. This whole situation is just... terrifying. How can so many people be so goddamn stupid?


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7. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-10-16 AT 12:12 PM (EST)
 
>How can so many people be so goddamn stupid?

One common thread I saw in a lot of the Twitter reactions (before I turned it off as a detriment to my health) is that people who are horrified by this result don't seem to understand that many of the things they take as the worst facets of the Chump campaign are the best features to many of the people who voted for him. Take, as an example, my mother, who is eagerly anticipating mass deportations, closed borders, some kind of crackdown on Sexual Deviants, the re-in-their-place-ment of Uppity Women and Minorities, a renewal of the War on Drugs, abandonment of any and all international commitments (especially those regarding trade, environmental matters, or the defense of countries that are not the United States), and—if it can be arranged—the enforced reintroduction of Christian religious observance in public schools. And, naturally, the general trampling of anyone who objects to any of the above, because they clearly Do Not Love Their Country and shouldn't even really be allowed to live here. Oh, and jus soli citizenship is right the fuck out.

(I was part of that cellular consortium for several months in the winter and spring of 1972-73! I know, I can't figure it either. Not why she's like that, but how in the world I'm not. I mean, genetics aside, I've lived in Red Maine for most of my life. How am I not a racist redneck fuck too?)

Anyway, the point is, she wants all of that, and she's convinced that Mr. Chump will give it to her. And if he grabs a few unsuspecting women along the way, well, their fault for not dodging. What were they expecting to happen, going around owning a pair of knockers like that? (Seriously, she's a woman and she thinks this way. The full "well you should have known better than to dress like that.")

Looked at another way, this is Old White America saying, "Not like this, not like this! If I'm going down I'm taking you bastards with me!" to the rest of the country, and still having enough electoral mass to make it stick. I'm upset by it, but I can't say I am or was ever surprised. I learned long ago never, ever to underestimate this country's ability to stab itself in the leg, then insist through gritted teeth that everything is fine and it's all going according to plan.

Also, I think Democratic primary voters grievously underestimated how very much, and for how very long, many people have hated the Clintons. They kept it in mind in 2008, which is why they went with Barry even though at the time, he seemed like an even longer shot. Figured it had been long enough this time. Silly of them. It will never have been long enough.

Also also, the numbers suggest that she appealed to too many people who, possibly because consumed by their postmodern ennui, didn't bother voting for her.

Also also also, the fucking Electoral College strikes again.

--G.
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8. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   > I've lived in Red Maine for most of my life. How am I not a racist redneck fuck too?

You're a gweep, a college student, and a person of minor Internet fame. You're a founding member of the Federation of Lawful Humanoids. You know a tiny bit of what it means to be a minority. You've met people who are truly minorities, and you've probably heard more of their experiences than you remember.

Your circle of awareness is wider than you and your immediate family. Once you learn to care about people who aren't like you, it's hard to pretend that they are The Other, to be feared and hated.

Peter Eng
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9. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   >Also, I think Democratic primary voters grievously
>underestimated how very much, and for how very long, many people have
>hated the Clintons. They kept it in mind in 2008, which is why they
>went with Barry even though at the time, he seemed like an even longer
>shot. Figured it had been long enough this time. Silly of them. It
>will never have been long enough.

I think you've pretty much got it surrounded, but this bit in particular stands out. It's so easy to see through, so blindingly obvious that however many dozen scandals turning out to be literally nothing is nothing but endless partisan wolf-crying, that the idea that people could take the nonsense seriously just... never registered to me.

I still don't understand it.

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11. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   >Also also, the numbers suggest that she appealed to too many people
>who, possibly because consumed by their postmodern ennui, didn't
>bother voting for her.

Or alternately, she appealed to too many people whose votes were successfully suppressed by state Republicans.


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19. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-11-16 AT 11:37 AM (EST)
 
> I mean, genetics
>aside, I've lived in Red Maine for most of my life. How am I not a
>racist redneck fuck too?)

Are you guys really that red up there anymore?

As near as I can tell, Millinocket itself, though it went Trump this year, went for Obama in both 2012 and 2008. Precinct-level data is hard to come by for other years, but even if Millinocket itself didn't, Penobscot County, which doesn't look like what you'd call a cosmopolitan urban area to me, went for Obama twice, went for KERRY of all people who you'd think would be poison out there, and went for Clinton twice. (How do you go for Kerry and not Gore? The mind boggles.)

>Anyway, the point is, she wants all of that, and she's convinced that
>Mr. Chump will give it to her.

The editors would also have accepted "Il douche" as an acceptable nom-de-trump.

>Also, I think Democratic primary voters grievously
>underestimated how very much, and for how very long, many people have
>hated the Clintons. They kept it in mind in 2008, which is why they
>went with Barry even though at the time, he seemed like an even longer
>shot. Figured it had been long enough this time. Silly of them. It
>will never have been long enough.

You know, Ben, thanks for being clear-eyed about what happened there.

I've seen a fair amount of yelling the last few... well, months, really, about how Clinton was "installed" as the Democratic Candidate. Like, her nomination is 100% due to the fact that a sinister cabal met in a room somewhere and decided she would be the nominee and anyone else would be destroyed. That the pure and virtuous rank and file got rooked by a corrupt establishment, who were pouring forged ballots into boxes all across New York state which is totally why Bernie Sanders didn't win against our immensely popular former Senator who was endorsed by our immensely popular current Senators here.

And, well... no. Did the DNC have its thumb on the scale? Yeah, a bit. That was total bullshit, people got fired and they deserved it. Did it have its thumb on the scale to the tune of three million votes? It did not.

Hillary Clinton is and always has been popular in the Democratic Party. At all levels. Was nominating her a mistake? Yeah, probably. But it was a mistake 55% of the party made. I say that as a proud Sandernista who rode that train to the end of the track and beyond. This screwup, to the extent it was a screwup, is on all of us.

>Also also, the numbers suggest that she appealed to too many people
>who, possibly because consumed by their postmodern ennui, didn't
>bother voting for her.

This, in my opinion, was the 'best worst case' scenario. That is, if we were going to lose, this is the least horrible way.

Trump won the election with fewer votes than Romney got when he lost. That's super bad. You know what would have been worse? If Clinton had got, say, a couple million more votes than Obama did, and Trump had walloped her by an extra six or seven million on top of that.

That would have been nightmarish. It would have meant "holy shit, there really is a missing army of super racist fucknuts who were just waiting to crawl out of the woodpile." There'd have been no coping with that.

So it looks like a large part of the Obama coalition just... sat at home.

And that has led me to an uncomfortable thought. I have always rejected the notion that policy doesn't matter, that Presidential elections are just beauty contests. But in the wake of this one... well, I got to thinking. Has there been a Presidential election in the modern era in which the winner wasn't either sparklingly charismatic, a demagogue, or both?

Yes, of course. Bush the Elder. Carter. Nixon. LBJ.

Okay. All those boring nerds ran against people who were also boring nerds. Has there been an election in which the boring nerd beat the charismatic demagogue?

... holy shit, there hasn't been.

Is this where we're at as a country? Where in any contest between a showman and a person of substance, the showman automatically wins? Where the most important quality that the leader of the free world can have is that they send a thrill up the leg of people who watch them on TV and think "Hey, I think they just winked at me." Is the only reason Barack Obama got two terms is because people thought it was the next best thing to making Morgan Freeman President?

I'm prepared to deal with that if its the case but mister I do not have to like it.

>Also also also, the fucking Electoral College strikes again.

Not just the EC. More people voted for a Democratic house and a Democratic Senate than the other way around. Result: Republican Congress.

Same thing happened in 2014. More people voted for Democrats than Republicans. Result? Republicans.

I'm not particularly attached to the Democratic Party qua the Democratic Party. I'm committed to it insofar as coalition politics are essential, and the Democratic coalition seems to reflect my values and also know how to actually run the country. I've no tribal affiliation, indeed I'm mad at them (us?) more often than not.

But god dammit, if you win, you should get to govern. That is the deal!

-Merc
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Gryphonadmin
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20. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   I wrote a fairly long reply to this, but then decided it didn't belong here. Really, none of the political stuff belongs here, because although it's directly responsible for endangering any meaningful observance of the anniversary in question, it's not related to the anniversary itself, and is basically just polluting the occasion further, if that makes any sense.

I didn't ditch it in a fit of pique, though. I put it in the General thread that's about most of the same stuff. You can find it there, and please try to stop following up this subthread here. It's just going to depress me all over again later, when I forget it's here and think, Oh hey, the thread about the anniversary, I should renew my acquaintance with what's in there.

--G.
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10. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   I'm thinking of reading through some of it, yeah.

It's dark times, make no mistake. And there will be a lot of hardship to come for those of us who aren't all that gung-ho about segregating the world into component bits.

But hell. Troubled times can help solidify one's character and help you become a better you.

You taught me that, Gryphon, back when I started reading UF almost 20 years ago.

It helped me then. And a reminder helps now, I think.

So here's to UF's 25 year anniversary - and here's to everyone at Eyrie - and here's to all of you, with congratulations for making it this far, and hopes for a better tomorrow.

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A stately pleasure-dome
decree,
Where Alph, the sacred river,
ran
Through caverns measureless to
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12. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   So here's to UF's 25 year anniversary - and here's to everyone at
>Eyrie - and here's to all of you, with congratulations for making it
>this far, and hopes for a better tomorrow.

I'll drink to that.

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13. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   *Raises glass in toast*

Hear him, hear him!

-Droken

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14. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   Absolutely agree. UF (and, originally, NXE, which was my gateway drug) has gotten me through panic attacks, breakups, broken hearts, bereavement and (most importantly) long night shifts in call centres.

Even when interpreting absolute dystopian future scenarios, like anything to do with the Psi Corps or Earthgov, it retains an amazing sense of optimism, and wholeheartedly endorses the idea that everyone deserves redemption. Optimistic sci-fi is exactly what we need right now. I'm gonna keep reading, so please keep writing.


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16. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   >... is this coming Monday.
>
>Does anyone care? Because I'm not 100% sure I do, right at this very
>moment. :/

I've been considering doing one of my trademark deep dives into Core #1, but... hrrn.

I haven't clicked on that link in over a dozen years. I... don't know that I'd have much celebratory to say about Core #1. I had many good things to say about Apotheosis Now. I'm not sure I could scrounge up nearly so many about Core #1.

-Merc
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21. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   >I haven't clicked on that link in over a dozen years. I... don't know
>that I'd have much celebratory to say about Core #1. I had many good
>things to say about Apotheosis Now. I'm not sure I could
>scrounge up nearly so many about Core #1.

Core #1 contains a line that continues to be one of the top ten things I've ever read:

"Turns out that pushing a variable geometry motorcycle through the basements of $SOMEWHERE gets you some strange looks. Telling your fellow students that this is the True Power of UNIX gets you even stranger ones."

--
-Pasha (Paraphrased from memory. $SOMEWHERE might be Fuller Hall? Also: "CLUELESS yarited on the flux capacitor")
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32. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   That was one of those lines that I saw quoted elsewhere years before I actually stumbled across EPU.

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17. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-11-16 AT 01:15 AM (EST)
 
Sounds like you need some special therapy there. May I suggest putting on some Dirty Pair? I recommend starting with ep. 4, "The Chase Smells Like Cheesecake and Death" (you know, the one with the cat). Follow that up with some Bubblegum Crisis. Get back to your roots so to speak and see how that goes.

Michael

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18. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   Here's to a world where evil has a readily available face to be punched.

D.


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22. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   I totally get why you're down, Ben; this week has been an emotional train wreck for a lot of people. Allow me to add my voice to those who say that your writing has buoyed me through a lot of tough times over the last 25 years. So yes, the anniversary does matter to a lot of people, and even at that, you're still allowed your feelings both as an author, and as a human being.

Thank you for doing what you do, and my sincere wishes for your mental and physical health. You've still got stories to write, even if they don't want,to come out and play just now.


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23. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   >... is this coming Monday.
>
>Does anyone care? Because I'm not 100% sure I do, right at this very
>moment. :/

YES.

For 25 years, you and the folks you've gathered into this amazing collaboration have been publishing quality fanfiction about a better tomorrow.

And god knows, we need hope for a better tomorrow.

When this all came down on Tuesday, I turned off social media and turned on this Forum. WHY? Because...it's a safe place. Sure, it's fan fic, but art serves a purpose. It inspires. It gives hope. And WE REALLY REALLY NEED THAT RIGHT NOW.

I look at Adm. Ben Hutchins as the IDEAL of the person I want to be when I'm 400 years old, esp. the peretual college student view. That better economic social future everyone on the prog left is looking for? You built a gritty, messy universe that is its embodiment, and are realistic enough to present that universe as constantly under threat that ordinary and extrodinary people fight willingly and gladly.

Beyond that, UF CHANGED THE WORLD and is STILL CHANGING THE WORLD. UF launched the.fanfiction universe. And FanFiction.net. And TheForce.NET. And AO3. And DeviantArt. MILLIONS contribute to an expanding universe of ideas Your inital work was so inclusive and subversive. So much so, that this revolution in writing and storytelling has been driven by our most vunerable: children, women, GLBT, trans, and poly communities. Never have the silent had so much power or voice.

So please, celebrate your victories --you spawned the the greatest expansion of the written word in history. UF deserve to be marked down, shouted from the electronic rooftops, and never, ever, forgotten.

yours,
t.

p.s. and honestly, someone should call HuffPost and get you an interview. Or NPR. Or something. Maybe I'll call Ira Glass this weekend, if no one else will. WORLD SHAKING. WORLD CHANGING.

Trigger Argee
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24. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   >Beyond that, UF CHANGED THE WORLD and is STILL CHANGING THE WORLD. UF
>launched the.fanfiction universe. And FanFiction.net. And
>TheForce.NET. And AO3. And DeviantArt. MILLIONS contribute to an
>expanding universe of ideas Your inital work was so inclusive and
>subversive. So much so, that this revolution in writing and
>storytelling has been driven by our most vunerable: children, women,
>GLBT, trans, and poly communities. Never have the silent had so much
>power or voice.
>
>So please, celebrate your victories --you spawned the the greatest
>expansion of the written word in history. UF deserve to be marked
>down, shouted from the electronic rooftops, and never, ever,
>forgotten.

... Gosh.

I can't help but think that might be overstating the matter a bit, but I do sincerely appreciate the compliment, and I'm pleased to think that our work could mean so much. In all honesty, it's never been intended to have Particular Significance; we just... do what we think is right. I'm sorry, I'm a little overwhelmed (particularly as I'm coming to it very late in a long day).

Thank you, and everybody else in this thread too, for your support. Especially at a time like this (both in terms of world events and because, let's face it, it's been a pretty dry spell lately), it helps a lot.

--G.
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25. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   On a more personal note, if it wasn't for UF, I never would have had cause to bump into and strike up a conversation with a certain geek at the upstairs computer lab in the URI student union back in 1992.

While the fic that spawned from that meeting is obscure at best, and infamous at worst, the friendship that spawned from it is one that I treasure to this day, and has moved on to a second generation (Cor's son is the only person on this planet who still calls me DigiCom ;) ).

So thank you for that, Gryph.

Mario


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26. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-16 AT 10:26 PM (EST)
 
You know, I was going to say something like this, but Trigger did much better than I think I would have.

G, you ruined other authors for me. I expect such high quality from them, that the schlock they write doesn't cut it like it used to. UF is addictive to me, and I don't think I will ever have enough.

Happy 25th anniversary everyone, here's to our future, and may it be long and prosperous.


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27. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-16 AT 00:56 AM (EST)
 
All right, so... well, I won't say against all odds, but against quite a few odds, it looks like we've actually pulled something together to drop as an anniversary present tomorrow. Er, later today. Monday. I've decided not to do any direct teasers for it, I'm just going to drop it cold once it passes final checkoffs. Annotations and audio (maybe—I've been having some equipment problems, which is why there hasn't been any for the last couple of releases) to follow at a later date.

We'll miss the precise anniversary by a few hours—according to the time stamp on the original USENET post introducing it, Core 1 went up on rec.arts.anime and rec.arts.comics at five past midnight Worcester time* on Thursday, November 14, 1991—but we should at least be able to hit the same calendar day.

Thanks again for your encouragement and support, everyone. I'll be honest, right now the drawer doesn't look to have a lot of spoons in it, but we found one somewhere.

--G.
* I think. The headers also say it was 04:05 GMT, which would actually have been 11:05 the previous evening Eastern Standard Time, US Daylight Saving Time having ended on October 27 that year. I have no way of knowing now whether the DST setting or the GMT system time on the Encore was in error that night.
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28. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   Thank you for giving me something to smile about this week. :-)

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31. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   G, Eryie Team,
No matter how it might look or how terrible it might seem, just know that for me Eryie is a bright spot in my world.

The characters, stories and the forum community have become like family to me.

So happy 25th UF! Your stories still give me joy.

Thank you.
Phantom

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36. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   >We'll miss the precise anniversary by a few
>hours—according to the time stamp on the original USENET post
>introducing it, Core 1 went up on rec.arts.anime and rec.arts.comics
>at five past midnight Worcester time* on Thursday, November 14,
>1991—but we should at least be able to hit the same calendar
>day.

In case anyone is interested, I'm delurking to provide a link to the original Usenet announcement for Undocumented Features, courtesy of Google Groups. I'll resist the urge to simply paste in the original announcement in full, not least because the proper .sig file formatting is maintained with Google's "Show Original" option.

Gryphon, I apologize if I'm stealing your thunder by providing the original announcement; I was wondering if it would be posted as part of the anniversary festivities, but then, having spent entire moments digging it up in Google Groups, got impatient and decided to go ahead and share. Also, for what it's worth, I'd certainly be interested to see all of the original Usenet announcements for the Core UF stories to be made available on the Core page.

(That said, I'm certainly glad that the comments I made on Usenet in the mid-90s have been lost to time and obscurity, so it may be that you'd rather just let those posts lie, in which case I apologize for dredging up this particular bit of history.)

Finally, and most importantly, congratulations on a quarter of a century of Undocumented Features! While I came to the original series a bit late - I think I first abused long-distance dial-up one summer home from college to download UF in 1993 - I've been a great fan of UF, and all the rest of the Eyrie Productions universes, ever since. And, as much as I enjoy all of the later stories that you've all written, I particularly love the way that the original Undocumented Features captures the experience of being a geek and anime fan on campus in the early 90s.

Also, while rec.arts.anime.stories is what got me started with fanfiction, Undocumented Features is what really cemented my love of, as was said in the original UF intro, "write yer own". To this day I spend more time on AO3 than is probably strictly necessary - not to mention keeping an eye out for the latest work here at EPU! - and I owe a lot of that to the original Undocumented Features.

Again: Congratulations! We're all looking forward to many more years of UF and EPU to come.


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29. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   Happy anniversary.

D.


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33. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   >Happy anniversary.

What he said.

-- Bob
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34. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   Actually, belatedly, it occurred to me that there's a very apropos quote for the mood of the day. By some writer whose name escapes me... ;)


"Here is how a daughter of Gallia responds to the cruelty of fate: with magnanimity, with generosity, with gallant kindness. Our hearts do not break in defeat; they grow stronger."


D.


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35. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-15-16 AT 07:03 AM (EST)
 
>"Here is how a daughter of Gallia responds to the cruelty of fate:
>with magnanimity, with generosity, with gallant kindness. Our hearts
>do not break in defeat; they grow stronger."

Indeed, a fine sentiment for these times.

And of late there have been a few developments that give me hope for the future: one, it appears that Trump is already starting to treat his farther-right supporters just like he's treated his contractors all these years; and two, his team appears to be stunned by the scope of what actually occupying the White House entails, which suggests that they'll be too busy scrambling about trying to find their own asses to have much time to be evil.

And if worst comes to worst and the Trump Administration does end up being Nazis II: Electric Boogaloo, well, someone has to stay behind and become the French Resistance.

-- Bob
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37. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   >("Latrine!")

I can't make a comment on this, my thoughts are ...Top Secret.

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38. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   UF and Eyrie's writings in general, have brought me many hours of joy over the years. Thank you, and all the other authors, for that joy.

I lurk almost exclusively, but I've been reading since I was a confused high school student and I still check back as a confused adult to see if any of my favorite characters have had new adventures.


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39. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-05-16 AT 05:59 PM (EST)
 
Wow... have I really been reading content here for over 20 years? I believe I first joined the forum in 1995, but had been reading UF and everything else you guys wrote since 1993. It's definitely been a long strange journey, but a very enjoyable one. I've always felt the stories here have been better than the originals, and the overall theme of taking "bad" characters and giving them a second chance has always been one of my favorite parts of it. What I would really like to see is a return of past authors to at least contribute maybe a micro story about their own characters, those we don't see anymore like Redneck, or Chris Meadows. I'm sure they can do something that won't violate current continuity, but lets us old guys see what happened to those people.


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40. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   Happy quarter-century, guys. As someone fortunate to have been there from the start, and sometimes peek behind the curtain, it's been a great ride.


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41. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   Happy 25th Anniversary, Eyrie.

Thank you for all the memorable dreams and stories of heroes who continue to persevere through overwhelming adversity, for the lessons that we can always strive for success even after failure, as long as we don't give up.

Thank you for giving me hope.
-T.Z.
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42. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   I have friends that are younger than Undocumented Features.

I have read every word that has been published under the Eyrie Productions aegis - and enjoyed almost all of them.

I am a better writer and a better person, because of Eyrie.

Twenty. Five. Years.

That's amazing to me. I've had Eyrie as part of my life for _most_ of my life. Gryphon's invincible moral compass, Utena's full-charge passion, even MegaZone's angst, have all influenced my life and _made me the man I am today_.

Thank you, Gryphon. Thank you for all the rest of the Eyrie Productions folks. Thank you so very much.


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43. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   While I've been away for a bit due to RL issues, I would like to offer my own congratulations.

I first discovered UF via "Cybertron Dreams" and enjoyed the works ever since.

Thanks for writing `em!


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44. "RE: UF's 25th anniversary..."
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   Well I'm a month late to the party and in pretty much permanent lurker mode besides that, but definitely put me into the 'does care' category. UF remains one of my favorite universes out there, and The Symphony of the Sword in particular will always be treasured for me. It's funny thinking back to the early 2000s when I was still in the Military and would try to print out copies of the stories every now and then but, due to piss poor organizational skills would just end up with piles of paper that were completely out of order. Now I just carry it around on my Kindle. God bless tech.

Seriously, though, thanks for all the great work you guys do.


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