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"(SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
 
   Saturday, February 13, 2410
Deedlit Satori Mandeville Memorial Institute
Jeraddo, Republic of Bajor

The Winterfest activities were well underway, but that didn't mean that Kaname Sterling could rest. There were still brush fires to put out, status reports to read, and last-minute decisions to make. There was also overseeing various of the events (and participating in them, just a little), and keeping track of the residents of her dorm floor.

So it was that Kaname found herself trudging up the path to the Duelists' Castle, surrounded by about a quarter of her floor residents and flanked by Sosuke Sagara.

Every half-year, during Homecoming in A-term and Sanity Week in C-term, the Institute Duelists' Society held an open house, wherein the Castle's doors stood open (albeit not literally, at least not in C-term) to anyone who cared to stop by. The club's officers were on hand, ready to explain to any curious individuals exactly what it was the Society did, and why, and are they insane to let you do that, and so forth. Other members conducted tours of the building, showing visitors the library, conference room, and other non-private spaces. Still others were stationed in the Great Hall, answering questions about or demonstrating the use of various weapons.

"Most people who join the Society are invited, either because they've done something to attract the officers' attention, or because they know someone who's already in the club," Lindsey Willows was explaining to Kaname's student group as they approached the Castle's great main doors. "Potential recruits do have to demonstrate that they know what they're doing, and this is the place where they do it. Others come to our open houses specifically to try and make that first impression." She smiled. "Test matches aren't the same as full-on duels between two members, but they're still quite a workout. We also get challengers coming in from dueling clubs at other schools sometimes. Maybe we'll get to see one today."

Sosuke leaned toward Kaname so the younger students wouldn't hear and asked her, "What is their usual rate of recruitment?"

Kaname wiggled her free hand. "Well, they don't really have formal recruitment per se, but if you split between the scouting and personal recommendations Lins was just talking about, versus the open-house applicants and challengers making the grade, you'd be looking at a sixty-forty split."

"Do you attend these events regularly?"

"Well... yeah, I'm usually here," Kaname said. "I mean, Lindsey and I have been friends since before either of us came here, and since I became an RA there's usually a few kids on my floor who want to check it out. Besides, I mean... " She shrugged. "It's not my own scene, exactly, but it is pretty cool to watch."

The smaller door inset into one of the Castle's great doors opened at their approach, and they found themselves beckoned into the entrance hall by the distinctive figure of the Society's faculty advisor, Professor May, bundled up in the kind of parka that made him look like he might be setting off for an expedition to Ice Planet Hoth.

"Welcome!" he said cheerfully, gesturing them inside. "I'm just off to look after the afternoon round of the lake hockey tournament. Come in, have a look round. The officers and some of the alumni are here to answer any questions you might have."

"I'll stop back by later to see how the hockey's wrapping up," Kaname told May as she ushered her charges past him into the building.

"Righto, don't worry about a thing," he said, then winked and added, "I've arranged things so that Clarkson and Hammond won't be anywhere nearby, so everything should remain under control."

Kaname laughed and repeated that she'd see him later, watched as he hurried off down the hill, and then stepped inside and closed the door. She turned from that task to see the others she'd brought with her all standing in a little knot, gazing (mostly in delighted wonder) at the magisterial creature who had come to meet them.

All except Sosuke, who immediately stepped in front of her with one arm outstretched, his other hand plunging into his coat. "Stay back, all of you," he barked in a tone so commanding it startled several of the freshmen.

Kaname sighed and flicked him painfully on the nearer earlobe with a fingernail. "Ow!" he cried, startled, and took his hand out of his coat to cover the offended part.

"Spirit, stand down, you imbecile," Kaname snapped. "That's Sergei, he's not going to bother anybody unless they make trouble."

Sosuke gave her an is-that-a-joke look, then turned to see that the students had - ignoring his instruction - flocked around the massive Siberian tiger. The tiger's reaction to this was to sit down, yawn gigantically (drawing cries of delight), and settle in to accept the adulation that was his natural due.

"... oh," said Sosuke.

"It is Alumni Day," a young woman with long, slightly curly brown hair remarked wryly from the doorway to the library. "Kaname, nice to see you again. This must be the bodyguard your mom told me about."

Kaname managed to smile and roll her eyes at the same time. "Hey, Kate, long time. Yeah, this is him. Sosuke Sagara, mercenary in need of adult supervision: Kaitlyn Hutchins, mistress of ceremonies, samurai film star, tiger wrangler." She leaned and muttered in his ear, "If you had drawn that gun, she'd have had your arm off at the elbow."

"So noted," Sosuke replied out of the side of his mouth; then he bowed to Kate and said, "I apologize for my reaction. I... wasn't expecting to find a tiger here." He turned and crouched in front of Serge, examining him more closely, then looked back over his shoulder at Kate. "He's most impressive. Siberian Neo?"

Kate nodded. "You know your neocats," she said with a slight smile.

"They're very noble animals. May I?" Sosuke inquired; at her nod, he turned back and gently stroked the tiger's head, then got to scritching, eliciting a low growl of contentment.

Boy soldier bonds with apex predator, Kaname thought. There's something you don't see every day.

"Do you have a minute to go over the setlist for the show tomorrow?" Kaname asked Kate. "This'd be a good time for it, while the Tiger Whisperer's busy."

"Sure, that works," Kate replied, then gestured to the library and said, "Step into my office."

"Sosuke. I'll meet you in the Great Hall in a few minutes, OK?" said Kaname. Then she added with wryly, "I ought to be safe enough with Kate."

Sosuke nodded and replied without evident irony, "I know, I've seen New Century Zatōichi. That will be satisfactory."

I can never tell whether he's messing with me, Kaname mused as she followed Kate into the library.

"Where'd you find that one?" Kate wondered.

"Don't even start," Kaname replied.

Going over the songs Kate and her band were planning for the next day's Winterfest Dance was the work of only a couple of minutes, mainly because Kate didn't like to plan her shows exactly. She and Kaname discussed which songs the band ought to make sure they played and which were perhaps best omitted in a high school dance context (not that the Art's repertoire involved many of those), then went out to find that a test duel was about to begin in the Great Hall.

"Oh boy, here she goes again," murmured somebody in the crowd. Kaname didn't know who "she" was in this context for a moment, until she saw one of her own young charges, making her way out of the crowd to enter the dueling floor proper.

Arika Yumemiya was an interesting study. Cheerful and optimistic, she had a strange combination of wisdom and lack of common sense that seemed to reflect her upbringing on some far-Rim planet that Kaname had never heard of before. She faced the wonders of the inner galaxy with equal measures of confusion and delight, and refused to allow any impediment to hinder her for long.

(Case in point: she had arrived at the Institute at the last moment, just before classes were about to start, due to an unfortunate series of incidents that had left her stranded on Tuchanka for several weeks. When questioned as to why she had endured such hardships just to attend DSM, she'd answered, "I want to become a Duelist!" and that pretty much settled the matter, as far as she was concerned.)

Now, she was clad in what looked to be a cross between workout spandex and a cheerleader's outfit: snug black bike pants and a shoulderless dark magenta top, accompanied by dark magenta elbow-length gloves, thigh-high white stockings, and a small white frill of a skirt. Clutched in one hand was a long thin staff, with slightly clubbed ends that put Kaname in mind of an extremely stretched cheerleader's baton.

Boba Fett, acting as MC-cum-referee, explained the rules of engagement to both the challenger and the audience at large. "This is not a proper Rose Duel, the usual form we use when dueling each other," he said. "We won't be using live edges or the standard rose targets. Too dangerous. Think of this as more of a friendly sparring match. Three touches, no throws. OK with that?"

Arika nodded. "I'll do my best!" she declared.

Smiling, Fett turned to the group of Duelists who had been conducting demonstrations in the Hall until this challenge had arisen, all of whom had gathered in the corner to open the largest possible space in the middle. "Who will take this young lady's challenge for the Society?" he asked.

A tall, redheaded figure detached herself from the group, putting up a hand. "I'll take that action," said Amy Pond with a grin.

No fancy dueling clothes for Amy; she wore the standard DSM uniform, even though it was a Saturday. Her only preparations for dueling were to duck out of the strap of the sword she wore across her back, shrug out of her blazer, and hand them both to the sandy-haired young man who stood next to her, then loosen her necktie slightly, undo the top button of her shirt, gather up her waves of flame-orange hair, and pin them into a haphazard cockernonnie with a pencil. Fight prep done, she snagged a bokuto from the Wall o' Weapons and advanced into the middle of the room, twirling the weapon lazily in her left hand.

"Ready?" Fett asked.

"Ready!" Arika confirmed, eyes shining with glee.

"Always," said Amy, still grinning.

Fett clapped his hands together. "Begin!"

/* Big Country
"Fields of Fire (400 Miles)" (02:30 - 04:16)
Come Up Screaming (2000) */

Those in the room - and there were more than a few - who had seen Arika's prior attempt during the Homecoming open house weren't expecting great things this time. That prior attempt had gone down in Duelist history as the shortest duel of all time. No one had kept track of exactly how many seconds it had taken Sakura Byakuro to disarm and simulate subduing the girl, but it hadn't been very many. Nobody could fault her drive or her energy; her competence, on the other hand...

This time, though, to almost everyone's surprise, she seemed to have improved dramatically. Almost everyone's surprise, but not Kaname's, particularly. One other thing that Kaname had noticed about Arika was her remarkable capacity for improvement. Ever since her first unsuccessful duel the previous fall, Arika had engaged in a regimen of study and exercise in her off-hours, often dragooning her roommates' sometimes-reluctant help. It was a common sight to see Arika, Nina, and Erstin jogging around the Common in the evenings, or sparring bare-handed or with staves in the gym's workout rooms.

Apparently, all that hard work had paid off. The length of her staff compensated for her opponent's considerable height and reach advantages, more or less leveling the physical playing field, and though Arika was still plainly the less skilled of the two combatants, she wasn't so outclassed that the fight was over before it began. She and Amy went back and forth, up and down the room, trading strikes, parries, and athletic maneuvers for nearly two minutes, both plainly enjoying the experience.

"She's not bad," Kaname murmured to Sosuke, impressed.

"Miss Pond is sandbagging," Sosuke replied.

"Uh, well yeah, duh; she doesn't want to kill the poor kid at an open house," said Kaname sarcastically, but Sosuke shook his head.

"No, I mean really sandbagging. Watch." He narrowed his eyes as Amy stepped back from a jabbing strike from one end of Arika's staff, knocking it away from her with a slightly awkward twist of her wrist. "There," he said. "That's a two-handed weapon, but she's only using her left hand."

Kaname gave him a so-what glance. "Well, yeah, like I said."

"No," he said. "Look again. Observe, don't just see." He gave her a few seconds to do so, then added, "She isn't left-handed."

Kaname blinked and looked more closely. Yes, now that he'd said it, she could see what he was talking about. Amy's movements were fluid and sure, but ever so slightly hesitant, and she was constantly having to make small corrections - because she was mentally remapping everything she was doing to the other side of her body, overriding what were obviously well-trained muscle memories. She was just that good that it wasn't immediately obvious, at least not to anyone who wasn't Sosuke Sagara.

"She is plainly a far superior combatant to Miss Yumemiya," Sosuke went on, "but does not wish to humiliate her unnecessarily. Very interesting."

And so much for insight, Kaname thought with a mental sigh, then told him, "I think you'll find that's generally how normal people roll."

"I sincerely doubt Miss Pond is normal people, Miss Chidori," he replied, not taking his eyes off the duel, "but you were right about one thing." He glanced at Rory Williams, who still held Amy's jacket and sword as he watched, then returned his attention to the duel. "She clearly does not need a bodyguard."

"Told you," said Kaname a little smugly.

Unfortunately, despite all the effort Arika had put in over the past five months, it presently became apparent that it hadn't been quite enough. Even the handicap Amy had set for herself wasn't holding her back quite enough for the energetic freshman to defeat her. Arika did score one touch, and came within a hairsbreadth of another, but ultimately, the tall redhead was able to parry a slightly-too-enthusiastic overhand strike, spin the staff out of her hands, and score a third and final touch to the center of her chest - though, Kaname realized, she'd had to use both hands to do it.

"And that's that!" Amy said cheerfully, then whirled her bokuto back and rested the flat of it on her shoulder. "Good game, though," she added, slightly out of breath. "Keep at it like you have been and you'll make it next time for sure."

"Grandma said that there's always next time," Arika said with a grin as both combatants accepted towels from Lindsey. She bowed to Amy, who returned it with a smile, her towel draped around her neck. "Thank you for an excellent battle!"

Kaname watched and applauded as Arika left the dueling floor. The freshman was soon surrounded by the rest of her floor-mates, who were congratulating her for having survived the duel, and providing words of encouragement as to her chances for next year. Even serious-faced Nina Wáng gave her grudging approval of her roommate's progress, while Erstin Holstein was much more outgoing with her praise.

Kaname nodded with satisfaction as she watched Amy return to the Duelist contingent.

"Well, that's a relief," she said. "Any day when Arika doesn't have to go to the infirmary... "

With that taken care of, the group from Hamlin 4 was free to take the rest of the tour. Despite the size of the Castle, this didn't take all that long, mainly because it was confined to the building's public spaces. As she conducted them through the halls and showed them secondary practice spaces, the library, the dining hall and so forth, Lindsey explained that it wasn't really a castle, as such, but rather had been an outpost of the Order of Jedi Knights, long, long ago.

"Ah," Sosuke mused. "That explains the lack of proper defensive features," but before he could elaborate on that, Kaname had stepped on his foot.

When they got back to the Great Hall, another round of demonstrations was in progress, and leaving her students to take them in, Kaname crossed to the corner where most of the senior Duelists were hanging around. One, an old friend she hadn't seen in some time, happened to be off by himself at the moment, and she'd been looking forward to renewing their acquaintance today.

Corwin Ravenhair wasn't actually an alumnus of DSM, never having attended the school, but he was a Duelist, for complicated reasons Kaname had never been 100% clear on. She'd always liked Corwin; when they were little and she'd lived in New Avalon, they'd hung out a lot, occasionally having adventures that ranged from "an excellently spent afternoon" to (on one epic occasion when they were eight and seven, respectively) "oh man oh man oh man I can't believe we did that". They'd gone to separate schools after the fifth grade, which had cut into their face time a lot, and since Kaname had left town altogether to come to DSM, their face-to-face meetings had gotten less frequent still, but she always looked forward to them. Somehow, whatever happened to them as adolescence did its terrible, wonderful thing, she could always count on Corwin to just... be Corwin. And not whatever it was that so many other boys turned into when the hormones started flowing.

Mind you, she saw as she approached, he was rather more Corwin now than he had been last time she saw him. (What big hands you have.) Same eyes, though. Same grin, too. Now say it.

"Hey, killer!"

Yes. Excellent. Still Corwin. Kaname hugged him without hesitation - that was the same as always, too - and then stepped back and said, "Hey, Corwin. How are things?"

"Things are good," he said, leaning back against the wall next to one of the weapons displays. "Real good." He nodded toward her charges, who were currently watching in rapt astonishment as Sakura demonstrated some flashy ninja stuff. "Looks like a decent group of kids you've got there, Kaname."

"Yeah, they're a handful, but it's rewarding. They've just got this... energy." She rolled her eyes. "I swear, if we hooked Arika up to the power grid, we could power Hamlin Hall with her. And Irina and Mileva would know how to do it, I bet."

Corwin grinned some more. "Mileva's on your floor? Now I really know what you're up against." He reached into an inside pocket of the black-and-grey-checked wool jacket he was wearing and removed a silver envelope, then handed it to her. "Here! For you. I was gonna mail it, but then I thought, wait, I'm going to be on Jeraddo next weekend."

"What is it?" she wondered, taking it.

"A wedding invitation," Corwin replied cheerfully.

Kaname's brow furrowed. "To whose wedding?"

"Mine!"

"Oh." She tilted her head and regarded him curiously. "Who are you marrying?"

Corwin gave her a wry look. "Kaname. C'mon."

"What?" Kaname glanced to her right; a few yards away, graduated Duelist VP Utena Tenjou stood talking with Amy about something. "But - "

Corwin nodded, smiling. "Yes."

"And - " Kaname began.

Corwin nodded again. "Probably."

"With - "

Corwin shook his head. "I doubt it."

"STOP that," Kaname said, swatting his shoulder.

"Sorry," Corwin said. "But yes. Utena and me. And probably Anthy and me later, under separate cover. I haven't asked her yet." He shrugged. "Heck, I didn't actually ask Utena, she beat me to it. Anthy might do the same, but she's waiting until this round of crazy is over. She tires easily just at present," he added wryly. "Having a nap upstairs as we speak, in fact."

Kaname shook her head with an indulgent smile, starting to open the envelope as she did so. "Man, what is it with you? Seventeen years of nothin' and then suddenly I need a scorecard."

Corwin laughed. "You're asking me? If I knew, it probably wouldn't have worked in the first place."

"Ha. Fair point."

Utena finished her conversation, saw Kaname chatting with Corwin, and moseyed over, smiling. "Hey, Kaname!" she said. "Been a while. How've you been?"

"Oh, I get by, Utena," Kaname replied with a nonchalance she didn't entirely feel. "Corwin was just telling me the good news. Congratulations! And," she added with a slightly evil grin, "I bet I'm not the first to say, 'bout frickin' time."

Utena grinned a little sheepishly in return, going pink across the bridge of her nose. "Heh, well, thanks," she said.

Kaname finished opening the invitation, drew it out, scanned it, and then said, "Wow, Corwin. I've never seen a wedding invitation that just says 'TBA' instead of where you're supposed to show up."

Utena rubbed at the back of her neck, looking a little more sheepish. "Uh, yeah, we kind of... don't know yet. Dad's supposed to be handling it."

"I see." Kaname smiled her slightly-evil smile again. "Well, I know one place you won't be having it." At Utena's querying look, she angled a thumb at Corwin and said, "Dr. Science here is banned for life from Fumo Fumo Land."

Corwin snorted, facepalming theatrically. Utena turned a raised eyebrow to him, but he replied only, "I can't discuss it. Part of the settlement."

"All I said was that I wished the teacups could go faster," Kaname said.

"Shh!" Corwin cautioned her, though with a mischievous smile. "Lawyers are everywhere. Anyway," he went on as if the digression hadn't happened, "if it's not right around here someplace, we'll take care of transport," Corwin said. "You just need to be available."

"Hmm," said Kaname. "March 5, that's the Friday before Spring Break. I don't think I have any finals on Friday this term." She glanced across the room at Sosuke, who stood with her students and Lindsey near the entrance, explaining something to the kids with unusually expansive hand gestures. "Have to verify that with my adjutant general."

Corwin laughed. "Yeah, OK, what's the deal with that?"

Now it was Kaname's turn to look a little sheepish as she explained why she had a bodyguard - or at least why, insofar as she even knew why, she'd elected to put up with it for the time being. Lindsey arrived for the end of the explanation, enough to know what they were talking about, and agreed with Utena's observation that the situation was just the tiniest bit wack.

"You're just lucky you're not going to my alma mater," Corwin remarked. At Kaname's puzzled look, he angled a glance toward Sosuke's watchful remove and explained, "Mr. Strickland would not be havin' any of that."

"I'm still amazed that they're allowing it here," Kaname admitted. "I shudder to think what he would've gotten up to at ol' Jindai High."

"He might've gotten away with it... if they heavily bribed the school, or something," Lindsey suggested. "But since as far as I know his backers haven't been doing it here, well..." She shrugged.

Corwin dug around in his inside pocket, then said, "Hum. Looks like I forgot your invitation, Lins. Or maybe I mailed it? Anyway, you should come too! It's gonna be good times."

Lindsey looked puzzled. "What is?" she asked.

"My wedding!" Corwin said.

"Ahem," Utena put in.

"Our wedding," Corwin amended.

"You're getting married?!" Lindsey blurted. "And I'm invited?"

"Of course you're invited!" said Corwin with a broad grin. "If I gotta put up with my aunt Freyja going, I can at least insist on the freedom to invite second-degree sorta-cousins I love but hardly ever see any more."

"Oh, that reminds me," said Kaname, consulting her invitation again. "Does it say... aha. Yeah. It might not be a problem, depends on whether you have it in this star system, but... " She glanced at Sosuke again. "You mind if my plus-one is a heavily armed borderline sociopath with a thing about sightlines?" she asked wryly.

"He won't be the only one we get," Utena quipped.

"Sure, bring him along!" Corwin agreed. "Our door is always open to crazy soldiers. Master Chief Spartan'll be there, and all the Repo Men, so he'll even have people he can talk to in his own language."

"Speaking of military stuff, what's with the forts?" Utena asked, gesturing vaguely toward the rest of campus. "We didn't have that at our Winterfest."

"You just didn't think big enough," said Kaname. "Or have Sosuke Sagara on any committees. I envy you. They're for the new event we're trying out tomorrow, in between lunch and the dance. Sort of a regimented snowball fight, capture-the-flag kind of thing."

Utena raised her eyebrows. "You guys are having snowball CTF tomorrow afternoon?"

"That's right," Lindsey said, beaming.

Utena grinned. "I am staying."

Kaname laughed. "You'll have to take that up with the referee board," she said. "I just organized the Fest, I don't make the rules." She glanced at her watch. "Anyway, you guys, good talking with you, but it's getting late. I better round up the sprogs and get them headed back to Hamlin for dinner before the bonfire."

Utena looked at Kaname, a little askance. "You call your floor students 'sprogs'?"

"Well, not to their faces, that'd just be stupid and insensitive." Kaname shrugged. "I could call them 'Gurab', but that'd be insulting to every Gurab'lo and Gurab'pa that I've ever known." Kaname shook her head, apparently not noticing Utena's puzzled reaction (or Corwin's quiet giggling). "I swear, I've got protosapient cousins who have more common sense than some of these guys. But hey, if you're sticking around for the rest of the Fest, I'll see you tomorrow."

She gave Corwin another hug, told him not to be a stranger, and was just turning around and drawing breath to round up her crew when a calm, pleasant voice spoke from the crowd,

"Excuse me, please? Would there possibly be time enough for one more?"

An excited murmur spread through the remaining crowd as it parted in two, revealing the speaker as she stepped forward. Kaname blinked in surprise.

"Spirit of Light, Shizuru's actually going for it," Kaname murmured to herself, drawing a questioning glance from Utena. Seeing that no explanation would be forthcoming from the turquoise-haired teen, she shifted her attention to the figure that had just stepped out from the crowd.

It was a young woman of about Kaname's age, with light brown back-length hair, a reasonable figure, a pleasant face, and playful red eyes. She was dressed not in the usual DSM girl's winter uniform, but an outfit that was similar - a light tan jacket with a short warm-grey pleated skirt, an underlying white blouse with a red bow ribbon at the neck, and black knee-high socks. She moved with the unhurried confidence of one who has no doubts of her abilities or of her place in the world.

"I don't get it - what's the big deal?" Utena asked to anybody nearby as the girl in question headed over to Boba Fett's location, presenting him with a precisely folded missive, which he accepted and unfolded to study.

Lindsey leaned in close to Utena. "That's Shizuru Viola. She's a junior. You probably haven't heard of her, but it's been rumored for years that she might be interested in joining up with us. She's got some sort of weapon training - she often goes off into the Single Acre Wood by herself, or into one of the Gym's free-workout rooms, sometimes for hours - but none of us have actually seen her with a weapon. I think only Natsuki Kruger - that's her over there, green eyes, black hair, cranky attitude - really knows what's going on, and like hell she's going to tell anybody else." Lindsey rolled her eyes slightly. "She won't even admit Shizu's her girlfriend, like anyone could fail to notice that."

Utena nodded, smiling faintly at the last remark, and then looked over at where Fett and Shizuru were in quiet conference. Boba arched an eyebrow, and looked seriously at the younger woman. "Are you sure you want to do it this way?"

Shizuru smiled coyly. "I'm more than sure, President Fett. As you can see, my paperwork is all in order..."

Boba nodded, and then raised his voice to catch the attention of the rest of the quietly-discussing crowd. "If I may have your attention? ... thank you." He gestured next to him. "For our final engagement of the afternoon, we have a unique request. Miss Viola here has recently passed her journeywoman trial for her ancestral naginatajutsu, the Fujino Chougaja Ryū. As such, she has requested a true Rose Duel as her challenge. Given the circumstances, I have decided that this is acceptable."

An excited murmur, and some applause, rippled through the crowd as Shizuru gave those assembled a smile and a polite nod of the head. "Thank you. I hope I won't disappoint you."

Boba turned towards the remaining Duelists, some whom had been packing up their gear. "Who will take this young lady's challenge for the Society?"

There was a murmur from the Duelist contingent as they looked amongst themselves, and then they moved aside to allow the other tall redhead among them to approach.

"This sounds interesting. I accept Miss Viola's challenge," Juri Arisugawa said with her piper's smile as she stepped forward, her crescent-hilt broadsword at her hip.

Kaname stared. "Man, having this open house on Alumni Day was SO not fair," she muttered underneath the more excited murmurs that were building among the students. "What next?"

"It will be an honor to duel you, Ms. Arisugawa," Shizuru Viola said with a gleam in her red eyes. "I hope that I prove a satisfactory opponent. Just let me get ready."

What happened next, Kaname couldn't quite describe. One moment, Shizuru was standing there with her arms relaxed and hands open -

- the next, she flexed her arms and there was a polearm in her hands, held at the ready, as if it had always been there. The shaft of the weapon and its blade were a deep, lustrous red that matched Shizuru's eyes. The blade itself was thick and curved at both ends with a narrower center portion, and it was attached to the shaft at two points at the lower third. Rounding out the entire assemblage was a long purple tassel at the other end, secured with two golden beads.

What made the whole thing so remarkable was that the weapon was half-again as tall as Shizuru herself. There was no way that the thing could've been carried in there without people noticing, but Kaname couldn't figure out for the life of her how Shizuru had gotten it into her hands. Maybe it was like Corwin's thing with Stick? But she didn't think Shizuru was from Asgard...

Juri arched one slim eyebrow, and then glanced sidelong at Boba Fett. "I think we'll need to go to Condition One for this, Mr. President."

Boba nodded. "As you like it, Ms. Arisugawa. Now hear this! Clear the lower level!"

Kaname and the rest were caught up in the crowd as they headed for the doors of the Dueling Hall and the stairs beyond. As they funneled upstairs, she heard snippets of conversation:

"Good god, is Shizuru crazy?"

"Dude, if that's crazy, we need more of it."

"Oh man, Shizuru's so awesome!"

"C'mon, Juri's going to wipe the floor with her."

"Wait, is that a glaive or a guisarme?"

"Does it matter?"

"It's a voulge, you dopes."

Finally, the students and Duelists and hangers-on were ensconced in the upper galleries. Kaname found herself standing near to Lindsey, Utena, and Corwin, with ever-watchful Sosuke standing on her opposite side. Below, they watched as Boba performed his own 'magic trick' and produced two roses: an orange one, which he pinned above Juri's heart, and a scarlet one which he pinned over Shizuru's.

"Now, I'm reasonably certain you both know the stakes. Lose the rose, lose the duel. Aside from that..." Boba Fett looked briefly amused. "... I'm sure you two can figure it out."

"I think I can manage," Juri said with quiet amusement as she drew her sword.

"I do believe that I have the gist of it, President Fett," Shizuru replied as she took several steps back, and made several test sweeps with her voulge, a swish of air passing in the blade's wake.

"Ready?" Fett asked.

"Ready," Juri replied, her eyes now only for her opponent.

"Yes, quite ready," Shizuru replied, meeting Juri's gaze.

Fett clapped his hands together even as he rapidly withdrew. "Begin!"

/* Minami Kuribayashi
"Crystal Energy"
Mai-Otome Best Collection (2006) */

There was the briefest moment of absolute silence as the crowd held their breath, watching the two below closely, to see who would make the first move.

Then both women sprang into motion at the same time, Shizuru's voulge sweeping in a tight arc, while Juri expertly sidestepped to parry with her broadsword. There was a ringing crash of metal upon metal, and then the Rose Duel was on in full.

It rapidly became evident that both women knew what they were doing. For Juri, that was a given, considering her long membership in the Duelists' Society, but for Shizuru, it was a revelation to most in the audience. She moved with a fluid efficiency, putting her weapon's sizable reach advantage over Juri's to good use, attempting to control the dueling space. Her voulge made great circles around her, the tassel and blade whistling through the air as she blocked and parried Juri's sword thrusts.

The main strengths of a weapon like Shizuru's were, oddly, also its main drawbacks in a situation like this. Its length and heft gave it terrific reach and striking power, but they also made dueling with it a bit like barrel rolling an airliner: technically possible, but way, way off-label. It was a weapon of war, designed mainly to cleave in half the skulls of people standing ten or so feet away, not one intended for personal combat - particularly personal combat in which killing one's opponent would be frowned upon.

It had momentum, which was useful, but also inertia, which was less so. Parries didn't always go quite as planned, and she always, always had to keep moving in order to maintain that momentum. Sudden reversals were more or less out of the question - if something didn't work out as she wanted, Shizuru's only real option was to go through it and try to shape the next evolution more to her liking. Even in a room this size, there wasn't always quite as much space for that as she would have liked.

For Juri's part, she had all the room she could possibly have wanted, but Shizuru's constant motion kept her in constant motion as well, leaving her little time to consolidate her position or form elaborate strategies, much less put them into action. She could cut, thrust, back away, and try new angles more or less at will, but if she had tried to parry a weapon like Shizuru's conventionally she'd have lost her blade, and possibly a few fingers, so she needed all that mobility.

Presently, after taking her measure with a few exploratory passes, Juri penetrated Shizuru's guard - another drawback of the younger woman's weapon was that its great length gave it a substantial minimum range; only a hasty and slightly painful-looking block with the staff part of the voulge saved Shizuru's rose that time. Her counterattack, though, demonstrated the main danger of closing in that much. The move turned her completely around, 360 degrees, and the blade described a helical path that brought it up from below, an uppercut strike that could've cut an unsuspecting opponent clean in half.

Juri sprang up and back, clearing the blade by an inch or two, the evasion so violent that it turned into a neat aerial backflip. She came down in a half-crouch, her free hand splayed on the floor, and slid back nearly to the wall, the soles of her shoes hissing on the stone. Raising that free hand, she brushed her by-now-somewhat-disordered orange curls out of her eyes and smiled at her opponent.

"Oh my," said Shizuru appreciatively, whirling her weapon out of its follow-through and halting it across her back, the blade jutting up above her right shoulder. "I had no idea you were such an acrobat, Ms. Arisugawa," she went on.

Juri's smile changed, becoming more of a grin than most of the onlookers were accustomed to seeing on that face. From some, it drew almost as sharp a gasp as the near-miss had in the first place. With the suddenness of a released spring, she lunged up from her half-crouch, switching hands with a little flourish that reminded Utena (not coincidentally) of Kaitlyn. Shizuru barely evaded her leap, taking the blow on the haft of her voulge again.

"One learns a thing or two over seven years in Utena and Kaitlyn's house of flying daggers," said Juri wryly over their momentarily locked weapons. "And please - call me Juri."

Shizuru went slightly pink, but maintained her calm, polite poise as she replied, "Why, thank you. In which case you must call me Shizuru."

Juri's wry grin turned back to a more personal smile, and her green eyes seemed to smolder slightly as she said (purred, really), "It'll be my pleasure."

Shizuru blinked at her, then smiled faintly and knocked her away, returning to the offensive.

"... are they flirting?" Arika stage-whispered to her roommate, who ignored her. A few places down, Natsuki Kruger thumped her forehead lightly against the railing a couple of times. On the opposite side of the gallery, Utena glanced (a little incredulously) at Kate, who just shrugged, smiling.

"What can I say? She's got good taste," Kate said mildly.

Not long after, Juri thought she'd literally cornered her opponent, having read her pattern and intercepted her just as she ran out of wall; but Shizuru slipped out of the trap with a smooth sidelong maneuver that put Juri in mind of the serpent mentioned in the name of the younger woman's fighting style. On a purely aesthetic level, she readily admitted that Shizuru's performance was almost certainly more fun to watch than her own. Like the other naginata stylist of her acquaintance, Sumire Kanzaki, Shizuru seemed to be as much dancing as fighting.

By a strange coincidence, that same thought had just occurred to at least three of her friends up above. "Man," Utena mused as one of Shizuru's great circular overhand moves sent Juri skipping back out of range. "Too bad Sumire the Elder isn't here. That'd be a thing to see."

Corwin looked around at the normally-capacious Great Hall. "We'd need a bigger boat."

"We'd need a whole container ship at this rate," said Kaitlyn.

Neither combatant showed any sign of tiring, though both were flushed and perspiring, as the duel approached the four-minute mark. By this point Erstin Holstein had actually cheered herself hoarse, and several of the other youngsters looked like they might pass out. Natsuki might well have been holding her breath the entire time. Only the most experienced Duelists in the upper gallery recognized the moment at which the two decided - as if by telepathic mutual consent - that the time had come to end it.

Utena and Kaitlyn both did. They glanced at each other, each confirming that the other had seen it, as Juri and Shizuru swept out of still another inconclusive pass and then seemed, almost simultaneously, to set themselves, their jawlines hardening.

This is it, Utena thought, feeling an echo of that same warm glow she always felt when she reached the same moments in her own greatest battles. She took Kate's hand in one of hers, Corwin's in the other, an unconscious smile tugging at her lips, as Shizuru and Juri sprang toward each other.

Shizuru's move was that same helical uppercut that had nearly scared half the audience to death before; Juri's was a starting-blocks leap not unlike Utena's own signature finisher, her sword held at a lower guard than the Rose Prince generally chose. As they passed each other, Juri threw in an extra twist - literally - rolling her body so that Shizuru's weapon whispered past her. The sharper-eyed observers actually thought they saw her rose move, though it did not fall, as she turned the twist into a fall, down and away to the left. Had she not done so, even if she had managed not to be struck by Shizuru's blade, her own would have stood a fairly even chance of running her opponent clean through, as the momentum of Shizuru's own charge drove her shoulder onto the point of Juri's blade; but the fall-away was perfectly timed so that the uprising point of her sword neatly nipped away the younger girl's flower without unpicking a stitch of her jacket.

Miki, Juri knew, would have managed to hit the floor and roll to his feet in such a way that he came up holding Shizuru's undamaged rose in his left hand; Utena's exploding ki would have blown it apart, showering the entire west end of the Great Hall in its petals. Juri, though, was not the showy type. She merely rode the roll upright again, spun to face her defeated opponent, and swept her blade into the elegant half-curtsey sword bow the Duelists had learned from their friends among the Jedi Knights. As she did, the red rose fell, mostly intact, to the floor at Shizuru's feet.

For a moment, no one seemed able to react; then the room filled with applause, cheering, and more than a little whistling. Breathing hard and smiling without reservation, Juri sheathed her sword, swept her now quite ragged curls out of her face, and walked toward her opponent.

Shizuru righted herself from the slightly-off-balance position her follow-through had left her in, using her weapon to help regain her balance, and turned with smiling acceptance to face the victor; then, having glanced upward while straightening, she smiled a little more winsomely and aimed her index finger up along the voulge's shaft.

Juri looked, then blinked as her emerald eyes focused on the very tip of the weapon's point. There, pierced through the center, was a single orange rose petal.

"Well," said Juri, her smile returning. "Satisfactory." She glanced up into the gallery, making momentary eye contact with Boba Fett, then Kaitlyn, then Utena. All three nodded in turn, smiling. "Most satisfactory," Juri went on. Reaching Shizuru, she extended her hand. A hush fell over the room as the younger woman took it, and Juri's voice was plainly audible to all as she said warmly, "Welcome, Shizuru. Welcome to the Order of the Rose."

For just an instant, the expression of pleasant, dignified reserve on Shizuru's face cracked, revealing beneath it a look of pure and simple delight. Then, blink-and-you-missed-it, the mask was back; but a faintly mischievous twinkle in the girl's red eyes let Juri know that she knew, and didn't mind, that her elder had caught a glimpse of her true face.

The crowd of students surged down the stairs and flooded back into the Great Hall. Adoring younger students and congratulatory older ones mobbed Shizuru, who dismissed her weapon (after removing and carefully pocketing the rose petal) and handled them all with calm, even-handed aplomb.

"So," said Utena cheerfully as she and Kate brought Juri a towel and a bottle of water off to one side of the throng. "That'll be this year's model of you, then, basically."

"Basically," Juri agreed, sipping her water.

"Well, we'd better keep Azalynn away from her," said Kate. "I hear the Kruger girl's a shootist."

That selfsame girl had finally reached Shizuru's side as the crowd began to disperse; from where they stood, Kate, Utena, and Juri couldn't hear what they were discussing, but based on their body language - Natsuki's tense and stiff-necked, Shizuru's calm and faintly but kindly indulgent - they guessed it was something along the lines of "what the hell were you thinking" against "aw, you do care, that's so sweet." (This assumption - which was correct - was reinforced by the scene's ending, in which Shizuru touched Natsuki's cheek gently and Natsuki's face went a very interesting crimson just as they left the Great Hall.)

Corwin, Kaname, and Lindsey, who had taken their time and stayed out of the crush on the stairs, arrived as the mob was breaking up. Most filtered out in the wake of the departing pair, apart from Kaname's group and the various Duelists, who still stood around in little knots talking about all the excitement. Off to one side, Sosuke returned to his earlier study of the Wall o' Weapons, his face in a thoughtful but largely unreadable frown.

"Wow," said Corwin. "One petal, did that even happen in the old days?" he mused to Utena. "What would that have meant? Anthy's still engaged to you but has to do Shizuru's laundry for a week?"

Utena laughed. "We'll have to ask her when she wakes up." She looked at her watch. "For now, we've got just enough daylight to get in a little more sledding."

"I'm up for that. Hey, Kaname, you want in on this action?"

Kaname glanced at her students. "I dunno, I should - "

"I'll take the gang back to Hamlin," said Lindsey. "You go ahead."

"Are you sure?"

"Absolutely. Old times' sake." She grinned. "Take half an hour off, Winterfestführerin. I'll make sure nobody finds out."

Kaname laughed. "OK, OK. Hey, Lins?"

"Yeah?"

"Thanks."

"Not a problem. Yo! Sarge!"

Sosuke looked up from his consideration of a Magnaguard electrostaff. "Yes, Miss Willows?"

"I'm taking the kids down the hill. Kaname's going sledding. Do not shoot anyone," she said mock-sternly.

Sosuke's face was perfectly straight as he nodded and replied, "Wilco, Miss Willows."

Lindsey grinned. "Yeah, we've about got him housebroken, I think. Have fun, you guys!"

"She's enjoying this," Corwin observed as Lindsey trotted over to round up the sprogs.

"Yes, yes she is," Kaname replied with a sigh.

"DSM Panic! Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a Wedding Invitation" (a Symphony of the Sword Mini-Story) by Philip Jeremy Moyer with Benjamin D. Hutchins
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> "Wait, is that a glaive or a guisarme?"
> "Does it matter?"
> "It's a voulge, you dopes."

I am suddenly reminded of The Random Polearm Table from The Space Gamer and later Murphy's Rules... It's a glaive-glaive-glaive-guisarme-glaive!

Great story -- in fact, this week has been a whole series of great stories, and I'm looking forward to the capper!

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   >> "Wait, is that a glaive or a guisarme?"
>> "Does it matter?"
>> "It's a voulge, you dopes."
>
>I am suddenly reminded of The Random Polearm Table from The Space
>Gamer
and later Murphy's Rules... It's a
>glaive-glaive-glaive-guisarme-glaive!

Same joke root, I expect: the idiotically complete list of obscure European polearms in first-edition Advanced Dungeons & Dragons.

>Great story -- in fact, this week has been a whole series of
>great stories, and I'm looking forward to the capper!

It's been a bit of a sprint for us - kind of reminds me of the Tower of Entr'actes in Symphony No. 1, albeit on a smaller scale - because, entirely by chance, we managed to finish S5M3 first and then realize, oh, yeah, we shouldn't release that until DSMP5 / 5.33 / 5.67 are out, should we. Hmm. :)

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   >I am suddenly reminded of The Random Polearm Table from The Space
>Gamer
and later Murphy's Rules... It's a
>glaive-glaive-glaive-guisarme-glaive!

Heh, and I have a rulebook that actually has a footnote in the weapons chapter going something like "if you fuss about the difference between a glaive and a guisarme, I'll slug you".

This makes me look forward even more to the upcoming wham episode.

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   >This makes me look forward even more to the upcoming wham episode.

wham episode wam ep uh sōd A form of psychotic break characterized by an uncontrollable urge to do violence while singing the hits of the 20th-century UK band Wham!, such as "Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go" and "Club Tropicana". Often suffered by members of the Wilson family, particularly Rose.

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   >... 'cause I'm not plannin' on goin' solo

Well! I'm going to be smelling everything through a veil of Dr. Pepper for the next few hours. Thanks, Chief!

Oh, the story was awesome too. Do any of the FNG's have a basis in some canon, or are they EPU-originals?

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   >Oh, the story was awesome too. Do any of the FNG's have a basis in
>some canon, or are they EPU-originals?

Arika Yumemia, Nina Wng, Erstin Holstien, Shizuru Viola, and Natsuki Kruger come from the Sunrise series Mai-Hime and Mai-Otome. They're a hybridization of the characterizations from both series.

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   Thanks! Being a regular here for as long as I have, I've come to accept that, no matter how long I observe the work in progress, I'll never be able to keep up with all of the contributing works. There's a lot more of you(researching, and writing) than there is of me after all. :D

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   ...And now I am picturing Natsuki Krueger, an orphan who made her way through the rougher-than-you'd think streets of the planet of Libria until at last she washed up on the kindness of a modest and little-known monastic order...

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   >...And now I am picturing Natsuki Krueger, an orphan who made her way
>through the rougher-than-you'd think streets of the planet of Libria
>until at last she washed up on the kindness of a modest and
>little-known monastic order...

Nah, she's probably just from Niogi. They're all German-Japanese gun freaks there. :)

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   Ahhh, DSM Panic. Been a big week for this. Let's jump right in!

>Every half-year, during Homecoming in A-term and Sanity Week in C-term,
>the Institute Duelists' Society held an open house, wherein the Castle's
>doors stood open (albeit not literally, at least not in C-term) to anyone
>who cared to stop by.

If they really wanted to show away and be all fancy about it, someone could probably grab one of those low-strength shield generators they use in docking bays to keep atmosphere (and heat) inside ships while still allowing sufficiently dense objects to pass in and out. Then they could hurl the doors wide even in the dead of winter, be all dramatic about it. :)

>The club's officers were on
>hand, ready to explain to any curious individuals exactly what it was
>the Society did, and why, and are they insane to let you
>do that, and so forth.

In any other setting the answer to that would be a resounding "Hell yes they are." And even in Known Space the answer probably has a number of wry qualifiers like "Well, it doesn't do much for our insurance premiums, we'll tell you that much."

>Sosuke leaned toward Kaname so the younger students wouldn't hear and
>asked her, "What is their usual rate of recruitment?"
>
>Kaname wiggled her free hand. "Well, they don't really have formal
>recruitment per se, but if you split between the scouting and
>personal recommendations Lins was just talking about, versus the
>open-house applicants and challengers making the grade, you'd be
>looking at a sixty-forty split."
>
>"Do you attend these events regularly?"
>
>"Well... yeah, I'm usually here," Kaname said. "I mean, Lindsey and I
>have been friends since before either of us came here, and since I
>became an RA there's usually a few kids on my floor who want to check
>it out. Besides, I mean... " She shrugged. "It's not my own scene,
>exactly, but it is pretty cool to watch."

This whole exchange is really, really clever from a writerly point of view.

The first time I read through it I was like "Oh, standard infodump for benefit of the readers, using Sosuke as an in-universe proxy." And it's pretty good as just an infodump.

Then I read it again and realized "Sosuke has just gathered valuable intelligence as to how often completely un-vetted people show up with deadly weapons to try and fight their way into the local paramilitary organization. He has also determined how often Kaname is physically present on the premises when that happens. And he did both those things under the guise of idle curiosity, thus not reminding his protectee that he isn't precisely JUST her friend; he's there to die for her if he has to, a fact that he knows freaks her out."

Sosuke is smarter than he acts.

>The smaller door inset into one of the Castle's great doors opened at
>their approach, and they found themselves beckoned into the entrance
>hall by the distinctive figure of the Society's faculty advisor,
>Professor May, bundled up in the kind of parka that made him look like
>he might be setting off for an expedition to Ice Planet Hoth.

Ice Planet Halloran V sheds a single tear at being passed over in favor of it's flashy older brother Hoth yet again. :)

>Kaname sighed and flicked him painfully on the nearer earlobe with a
>fingernail. "Ow!" he cried, startled, and took his hand out of his
>coat to cover the offended part.
>
>"Spirit, stand down, you imbecile," Kaname snapped. "That's
>Sergei, he's not going to bother anybody unless they make trouble."

A bit unfair on Kaname's part, given that Sergei is a giant damn tiger, although she's had a long day.

I question just how well his company briefed Sosuke on this assignment before inserting him. Sergei's presence on campus was the subject of significant legal wrangling, and he has a paper trail that's part of the public record that is a mile long. "There's a huge neotiger that belongs to one of DSMs alums and it will show up semi-regularly" is something you'd imagine made it into his dossier, assuming competence on the part of Sosuke's employers.

Although I'll also note that part of me has been wondering for awhile now if Sosuke is a total decoy and Melissa and Kurz, the ACTUAL bodyguarding team, are hanging out in the background doing a much, much better job at the whole 'covert' thing than he is.

>Sosuke nodded and replied without evident irony, "I know, I've seen
>New Century Zatōichi. That will be satisfactory."
>
>I can never tell whether he's messing with me, Kaname mused as
>she followed Kate into the library.

Oh, Kaname. Kaname Kaname Kaname.

Sosuke doesn't mess with people. It's part of his special brand of what I'll choose to call "charm."

>"She is plainly a far superior combatant to Miss Yumemiya,"
>Sosuke went on, "but does not wish to humiliate her unnecessarily.
>Very interesting."
>
>And so much for insight, Kaname thought with a mental sigh,
>then told him, "I think you'll find that's generally how normal people
>roll."
>
>"I sincerely doubt Miss Pond is normal people, Miss Chidori,"

Ouch. You just got burnt by Sosuke Sagara, Kaname. When that happens one needs to seriously reconsider their choices in life.

>replied, not taking his eyes off the duel, "but you were right about
>one thing." He glanced at Rory Williams, who still held Amy's jacket
>and sword as he watched, then returned his attention to the duel.
>"She clearly does not need a bodyguard."

This seems like an odd thing for a professional soldier and at least semi-competent bodyguard to say. Just because someone is a total badass doesn't mean they don't necessarily need a bodyguard. In fact, being a total badass is likely to INCREASE your need for things like bodyguards and food tasters; there's a reason viking kings had house carles.

>"Ah," Sosuke mused. "That explains the lack of proper defensive
>features," but before he could elaborate on that, Kaname had stepped
>on his foot.

Man, two burns in one day. Sosuke is on FIRE.

>whatever happened to them as adolescence did its terrible, wonderful
>thing, she could always count on Corwin to just... be Corwin. And not
>whatever it was that so many other boys turned into when the hormones
>started flowing.

Let's be fair, Kaname. You probably know more than a few ladies who also turn into crazy people when their body decides "today is a great day to flood myself with natively-made chemicals!" One of your fellow RA's is Natsuki Kruger, for heaven's sake. :)

>"Oh." She tilted her head and regarded him curiously. "Who are you
>marrying?"
>
>Corwin gave her a wry look. "Kaname. C'mon."
>
>"What?" Kaname glanced to her right; a few yards away, graduated
>Duelist VP Utena Tenjou stood talking with Amy about something. "But
>- "
>
>Corwin nodded, smiling. "Yes."
>
>"And - " Kaname began.
>
>Corwin nodded again. "Probably."

"So who won the pool?"

"Kozue and Chip split. You'd think other people would have had money on 'harem', but no, it was just them. Hell of a payout, too."

"Do NOT let Kozue plan your bachelor party."

>Corwin laughed. "Yeah, OK, what's the deal with that?"
>
>Now it was Kaname's turn to look a little sheepish as she explained
>why she had a bodyguard - or at least why, insofar as she even
>knew why, she'd elected to put up with it for the time being.
>Lindsey arrived for the end of the explanation, enough to know what
>they were talking about, and agreed with Utena's observation that the
>situation was just the tiniest bit wack.

Okay, time for me to put my killjoy hat on for just a second.

I know that, at the meta-level, a big part of why Kaname is still in the dark about this is because it also leaves the readers in the dark until a huge, awesome reveal comes along.

But it's starting to fray a little bit around the edges. Kaname is the scion of a family that has a lot of pull in the galaxy and is friends with people who have even more pull, and given her family history it seems like she'd take threats to her well-being rather seriously. But both she and her mother seem... rather blase about the whole thing. Even if Kaname isn't the type to ask other people for help except in dire extremes (advice yes, help no) you'd think Miranda would have gone "Huh. Someone paid money for a mercenary to attach himself to my daughter, who won't tell her why, or why she might be in danger. And he's doing stuff like bugging her room. Maybe I'll make some calls and find out if some people want to hurt my family that I don't know about. Then I can tell Kaname and she can be prepared."

For that matter, you'd think Corwin might think along the same lines, although obviously Kaname is not his daughter.

Anyway.

>Shizuru smiled coyly. "I'm more than sure, President Fett. As you can
>see, my paperwork is all in order..."

That's Shizuru for you. The world could use more people who understand the sublime beauty, and terror, of a properly filled-out form.

(cr10 says that her penmanship is EXQUISITE.)

>Kaname stared. "Man, having this open house on Alumni Day was SO not
>fair," she muttered underneath the more excited murmurs that were
>building among the students. "What next?"

Several students have already implemented step 1 of their Zombie Apocalypse plans. You know. Just in case.

>"Wait, is that a glaive or a guisarme?"
>
>"Does it matter?"
>
>"It's a voulge, you dopes."

"Again I ask, does it matter?"

"It matters because it means I'm technically correct! The best KIND of correct!"

>The main strengths of a weapon like Shizuru's were, oddly, also its
>main drawbacks in a situation like this. Its length and heft gave it
>terrific reach and striking power, but they also made dueling with it
>a bit like barrel rolling an airliner: technically possible, but way,
>way off-label. It was a weapon of war, designed mainly to cleave in
>half the skulls of people standing ten or so feet away, not one
>intended for personal combat - particularly personal combat in
>which killing one's opponent would be frowned upon.

In particular, it might bear mentioning that generally speaking, polearms are usually meant to be used when you're standing shoulder-to-shoulder with a whole bunch of other people who ALSO have polearms.

What's running through Sosuke's head right now is probably something like "Survive the initial swing. Once inside her guard, secure the weapon and proceed with CQC. She's taller than me; this limits my takedown options. Sweep the legs."

(I like to imagine Sosuke lives by the Code of the Sniper: "Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.")

>For Juri's part, she had all the room she could possibly have wanted,
>but Shizuru's constant motion kept her in constant motion as
>well, leaving her little time to consolidate her position or form
>elaborate strategies, much less put them into action. She could cut,
>thrust, back away, and try new angles more or less at will, but if she
>had tried to parry a weapon like Shizuru's conventionally she'd have
>lost her blade, and possibly a few fingers, so she needed all
>that mobility.

Juri may want to look into some manner of cuts-through-anything weapon, is all I'm saying.

>Corwin, Kaname, and Lindsey, who had taken their time and stayed out
>of the crush on the stairs, arrived as the mob was breaking up. Most
>filtered out in the wake of the departing pair, apart from Kaname's
>group and the various Duelists, who still stood around in little knots
>talking about all the excitement. Off to one side, Sosuke returned to
>his earlier study of the Wall o' Weapons, his face in a thoughtful but
>largely unreadable frown.

Sosuke has a hard, hard job. But he perseveres!

>"Wow," said Corwin. "One petal, did that even happen in the
>old days?" he mused to Utena. "What would that have meant?
>Anthy's still engaged to you but has to do Shizuru's laundry for a
>week?"
>
>Utena laughed. "We'll have to ask her when she wakes up." She looked
>at her watch. "For now, we've got just enough daylight to get in a
>little more sledding."

Man, who needs DAYLIGHT? Night sledding is the third best kind of sledding!

(Second best kind of sledding: drunk sledding. Best kind of sledding: drunk, night sledding.)

>"She's enjoying this," Corwin observed as Lindsey trotted over to
>round up the sprogs.
>
>"Yes, yes she is," Kaname replied with a sigh.

Lindsey may not be as cute as Kyoko, but she makes up for it in other, thoroughly enjoyable, ways.

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5. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >But it's starting to fray a little bit around the edges. Kaname is the
>scion of a family that has a lot of pull in the galaxy and is friends
>with people who have even more pull, and given her family history it
>seems like she'd take threats to her well-being rather seriously. But
>both she and her mother seem... rather blase about the whole thing.

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6. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >>Shizuru smiled coyly. "I'm more than sure, President Fett. As you can
>>see, my paperwork is all in order..."
>
>That's Shizuru for you. The world could use more people who understand
>the sublime beauty, and terror, of a properly filled-out form.
>
>(cr10 says that her penmanship is EXQUISITE.)

cr10 will get you one (1) mostly undamaged quarian female the Black Dragon Society happened to come across, cryotube not included. At least at 2356 prices. Admittedly she appreciated considerably over the next five decades or so.

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10. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >
>>"She clearly does not need a bodyguard."
>
>This seems like an odd thing for a professional soldier and at least
>semi-competent bodyguard to say. Just because someone is a total
>badass doesn't mean they don't necessarily need a bodyguard. In fact,
>being a total badass is likely to INCREASE your need for things like
>bodyguards and food tasters; there's a reason viking kings had house
>carles.
>

As I understand things, it wasn't being a badass that required bodyguards and food tasters; it was being a badass who had managed to parlay that ability into political power, or being the heir of said badass. As far as Sosuke knows, Ms. Pond doesn't need a bodyguard, because she's capable of taking care of herself, and doesn't have any characteristics that would require a bodyguard.

On the other hand, he doesn't know she's a time traveler.

>
>>"Ah," Sosuke mused. "That explains the lack of proper defensive
>>features," but before he could elaborate on that, Kaname had stepped
>>on his foot.
>
>Man, two burns in one day. Sosuke is on FIRE.
>

If he had elaborated, I suspect it would be something on the lines of, "Assuming their abilities are as described, Jedi do not need such things."

>
>I know that, at the meta-level, a big part of why Kaname is still in
>the dark about this is because it also leaves the readers in the dark
>until a huge, awesome reveal comes along.
>
>But it's starting to fray a little bit around the edges. Kaname is the
>scion of a family that has a lot of pull in the galaxy and is friends
>with people who have even more pull, and given her family history it
>seems like she'd take threats to her well-being rather seriously.
>

What would you have them do? Pull her out of DSM based on a threat that is only presumed to exist because Sergeant Sagara is there? They don't even know who or what they're defending against. A sufficiently sneaky opponent might very well have hired TechCom in order to get the Sterling family to make a move, just to find out what their first response is.

Until they know that there really is a threat, and where it's coming from, it's arguable that doing anything is effectively jumping at shadows.

Incidentally, fictional kidnapping situations rarely aim at high degrees of separation. Somebody's grandchild is about the farthest reach most authors will go for. So if it's about manipulating somebody, it's probably Miranda, Max, or Miria.

If.

> ...you'd think Miranda would have
>gone "Huh. Someone paid money for a mercenary to attach himself to my
>daughter, who won't tell her why, or why she might be in danger. And
>he's doing stuff like bugging her room. Maybe I'll make some calls and
>find out if some people want to hurt my family that I don't know
>about. Then I can tell Kaname and she can be prepared."
>

Are you sure she didn't do that? Investigations aren't always quick, and the only thing they have to go on is that somebody might be after Kaname. Besides, her family isn't exactly a good choice for taking hostages; they might be well-off, but kidnapping one of that family would be like a mix of The Ransom of Red Chief and Taken.

No, if somebody's after Kaname, I'd wager it's somebody who found out about the database in her head. Even then, the question is, does that person want the database, or just want to destroy it?

>
>For that matter, you'd think Corwin might think along the same lines,
>although obviously Kaname is not his daughter.
>

He's also smart enough to know that the Sterling family is perfectly able to handle such things, or to ask for help from old friends like the Chief of the International Police.

>
>(I like to imagine Sosuke lives by the Code of the Sniper: "Be polite.
>Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.")
>

"Polite, professional, and prepared to kill."

Yeah, sounds about right.

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17. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >>>"Ah," Sosuke mused. "That explains the lack of proper defensive
>>>features," but before he could elaborate on that, Kaname had stepped
>>>on his foot.
>>
>>Man, two burns in one day. Sosuke is on FIRE.
>>
>
>If he had elaborated, I suspect it would be something on the lines of,
>"Assuming their abilities are as described, Jedi do not need such
>things."

History would seem to demonstrate that when the hammer came down, the Jedi Order v1.0 could have maybe used some good deep bunkers and shield generators in addition to their mastery of the Force. :)

>What would you have them do? Pull her out of DSM based on a threat
>that is only presumed to exist because Sergeant Sagara is there?

Absolutely not. The Sterling family doesn't roll that way, even if sometimes it might be smart to do so. Kaname would react with indignation at the mere suggestion, as would her various and sundry relations.

>They don't even know who or what they're defending against.

That's kind of my point. Sosuke isn't actually from the government, like a "proper" soldier would be. (Well, okay. If TechCom is out of the Corporate Sector, he might be from what passes for the government out there.) This makes his claim that his reasons for being there are "classified" highly dubious. GOVERNMENTS can classify information. CORPORATIONS just have proprietary or privileged information. Those are two different beasts.

You'd think Kaname and her mom would make it a priority to find out why and in what capacity Sosuke is there. Kaname didn't even ask for the name of his CO and make an angry to call to them, or to whatever TechCom and Rhodos have that functions as a customer/client relations department.

Above and beyond Kaname, Miranda has the ability to get in touch with people who can do things like dial the private line of TechCom's CEO and say "Hi! One of your goons is stalking an underage girl out on Jerrado and refuses to disclose his reasons for being there or, indeed, who has paid him. Do you guys LIKE continuing to operate in the Galactic Alliance without the IPO and the WDF constantly looking over your shoulders? You know who Kaname Sterling's grandfather is, right?"

>Are you sure she didn't do that? Investigations aren't always quick,
>and the only thing they have to go on is that somebody might be after
>Kaname.

I'm not sure at all she hasn't done that. But as noted above, Miranda doesn't necessarily need to "investigate" in the classic sense. I know if my kid was potentially in trouble (disclaimer: I do not have a kid) and I had the juice, I wouldn't bother investigating if I could simply deploy the state to demand answers on my behalf.

It is of course possible this has already happened, of course, and that the answers Miranda got were of a nature where, after being assured that her little girl is being looked after reliably, she comes to conclusion that it's simply better not to tell her. Especially if the nature of being Whispered in UF is such that it's a bad idea to TELL someone they're one of the Whispered while still in the developmental stage.

But Kaname has been putting up with Sosuke for over a month now and, as I said, is weirdly blase about the whole thing. Could just be denial, of course. Or it could just be that she's young.

>No, if somebody's after Kaname, I'd wager it's somebody who found out
>about the database in her head. Even then, the question is, does that
>person want the database, or just want to destroy it?

I've been operating on the assumption that this is due to her being Whispered, yes.

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21. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >
>History would seem to demonstrate that when the hammer came down, the
>Jedi Order v1.0 could have maybe used some good deep bunkers and
>shield generators in addition to their mastery of the Force. :)
>

Well, it might have slowed Darth Vader down. But probably not.

>
>>They don't even know who or what they're defending against.
>
>That's kind of my point. Sosuke isn't actually from the government,
>like a "proper" soldier would be. (Well, okay. If TechCom is out of
>the Corporate Sector, he might be from what passes for the government
>out there.) This makes his claim that his reasons for being there are
>"classified" highly dubious. GOVERNMENTS can classify information.
>CORPORATIONS just have proprietary or privileged information. Those
>are two different beasts.
>

Good point. Either he has an unusual definition of "classified," or he gave away a clue. Considering his background, I'd go with "unusual definition."

>
>You'd think Kaname and her mom would make it a priority to find out
>why and in what capacity Sosuke is there. Kaname didn't even ask for
>the name of his CO and make an angry to call to them, or to whatever
>TechCom and Rhodos have that functions as a customer/client relations
>department.
>
>Above and beyond Kaname, Miranda has the ability to get in touch with
>people who can do things like dial the private line of TechCom's CEO
>and say "Hi! One of your goons is stalking an underage girl out on
>Jerrado and refuses to disclose his reasons for being there or,
>indeed, who has paid him. Do you guys LIKE continuing to operate in
>the Galactic Alliance without the IPO and the WDF constantly looking
>over your shoulders? You know who Kaname Sterling's grandfather is,
>right?"
>

On the other hand, I can see a sort of economy in this. Assuming Sagara isn't somebody's patsy, and TechCom along with him, why not leave him in place? Free security isn't a bad thing.

It's also likely that if they did get somebody who was cleared to talk about an open case, they'd say, "Kaname Sterling? We have one of our people out there, but he's not there for a Ms. Sterling..."

Hm! You may have hit on the reason that TechCom thought (and possibly still thinks) they were guarding Kaname Chidori. Whoever hired them didn't want to run the risk of being turned down.

>
>>Are you sure she didn't do that? Investigations aren't always quick,
>>and the only thing they have to go on is that somebody might be after
>>Kaname.
>
>I'm not sure at all she hasn't done that. But as noted above, Miranda
>doesn't necessarily need to "investigate" in the classic sense. I know
>if my kid was potentially in trouble (disclaimer: I do not have a kid)
>and I had the juice, I wouldn't bother investigating if I could simply
>deploy the state to demand answers on my behalf.
>

Well, that's hardly a coin to use up cheaply. And I'm not sure she has it.

Mars Division has the Queen's warrant, but I have no idea whether that's sufficient reason for a government to go around like a blunt instrument. My impression is more that they're more highly trusted than Random Space Mercenaries, GmbH, not that they have the ability to have Salusia apply political muscle.

>
>It is of course possible this has already happened, of course, and
>that the answers Miranda got were of a nature where, after being
>assured that her little girl is being looked after reliably, she comes
>to conclusion that it's simply better not to tell her. Especially if
>the nature of being Whispered in UF is such that it's a bad idea to
>TELL someone they're one of the Whispered while still in the
>developmental stage.
>
>But Kaname has been putting up with Sosuke for over a month now and,
>as I said, is weirdly blase about the whole thing. Could just be
>denial, of course. Or it could just be that she's young.
>

It could also be a simple bit of wisdom. She's done everything she can to deal with Sosuke and whatever-it-is he's here to do; she can either fret about it, or she can focus on her studies, being an RA, putting together the yearbook, and anything else she takes on. What's more productive?

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   >Mars Division has the Queen's warrant, but I have no idea whether
>that's sufficient reason for a government to go around like a blunt
>instrument. My impression is more that they're more highly trusted
>than Random Space Mercenaries, GmbH, not that they have the ability to
>have Salusia apply political muscle.

While I'm inclined to take Gryph at his word that there are factors of this plot proceeding (for the moment), offscreen, I do feel the need to note that, from Salusia's POV, the amount of 'pressure' required to seriously affect TechCom's priorities need not be terribly great.

Sure, Her Majesty's Government (as opposed to Her Majesty, who may well owe any given Sterling a favor) probably isn't going to do more than ask a polite question and maybe clear a discreet throat for Mars Division's sake, but if I were a sensible, reputable mercenary, I'd break out in cold sweat at the thought of being 'Ahem'ed at by the Royal Navy.


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   >If they really wanted to show away and be all fancy about it, someone
>could probably grab one of those low-strength shield generators

True. On the other hand, they already get a bad rap in some circles for ostentation. :)

>Sosuke is smarter than he acts.

"My dear, I don't think he's as stupid as he seems."

"My dear, nobody could be as stupid as he seems."

>>he might be setting off for an expedition to Ice Planet Hoth.
>
>Ice Planet Halloran V sheds a single tear at being passed over in
>favor of it's flashy older brother Hoth yet again. :)

In this case (I did that bit) I particularly wanted to put people in mind of that parka Han Solo's wearing in the "I thought these things smelled bad on the outside" scene, so, Hoth. :)

>A bit unfair on Kaname's part, given that Sergei is a giant damn
>tiger, although she's had a long day.

A whole succession of them, by this point.

>I question just how well his company briefed Sosuke on this assignment
>before inserting him. Sergei's presence on campus was the subject of
>significant legal wrangling, and he has a paper trail that's part of
>the public record that is a mile long.

True; on the other hand he hasn't lived there since 2407. How far back do you want these files to go?

The Rhodos Group does seem to have been a bit slack about their due diligence, though. This might be expected of an organization that, until recently, specialized in providing a sort of "mallcop SWAT" service, but... well, like I said before, wait for it. You're not completely off the reservation with these reservations.

>Although I'll also note that part of me has been wondering for awhile
>now if Sosuke is a total decoy and Melissa and Kurz, the ACTUAL
>bodyguarding team, are hanging out in the background doing a much,
>much better job at the whole 'covert' thing than he is.

I can't speak to the first part, but I can tell you that if he does have More Covert Backup in place, it isn't Mao and Weber. In UF, they're with WDF Mars Division, same as Kaname's parents, and have since long before Kaname (or Sosuke, for that matter) was born.

>being a total badass is likely to INCREASE your need for things like
>bodyguards and food tasters; there's a reason viking kings had house
>carles.

Heh, I think Rory would probably enjoy being described as Amy's housecarl, though it would invite the question of where exactly she's thane of.

>Let's be fair, Kaname. You probably know more than a few ladies who
>also turn into crazy people when their body decides "today is a great
>day to flood myself with natively-made chemicals!" One of your fellow
>RA's is Natsuki Kruger, for heaven's sake. :)

True, although in this instance she's thinking particularly of the whole "hundred-handed giants of gropitude" thing. ... though, I suppose, if we're being fair, Natsuki might be like that too when the moon is full. Awoooooooo.

>"So who won the pool?"
>
>"Kozue and Chip split. You'd think other people would have had money
>on 'harem', but no, it was just them. Hell of a payout, too."

Two thoughts on this:

1) Kozue, of all people, is hardly going to be making jokes about Corwin's life-partner prospects. Not now, and possibly not ever. Think about it for a second.

2) If Chip ever made any such remark in Corwin's presence - or in his own sister's, for that matter - he might well find himself serving as the chief eunuch.

>"Do NOT let Kozue plan your bachelor party."

Again, what, just no, dude. Have a little consideration.

Also, technically that's Nall's job. And he didn't even do it. He's such a little slacker.

>I know that, at the meta-level, a big part of why Kaname is still in
>the dark about this is because it also leaves the readers in the dark
>until a huge, awesome reveal comes along.

Then why make an issue of it? Seriously, what purpose does it serve? It's like complaining that you know why suspension bridges have to have those upright bits in the middle, but man, they break up the view something awful.

>Even if Kaname isn't the type to ask other people for help except in
>dire extremes (advice yes, help no) you'd think Miranda would have
>gone "Huh. Someone paid money for a mercenary to attach himself to my
>daughter, who won't tell her why, or why she might be in danger. And
>he's doing stuff like bugging her room. Maybe I'll make some calls and
>find out if some people want to hurt my family that I don't know
>about. Then I can tell Kaname and she can be prepared."

You think she hasn't done that just because you haven't seen her deliver her report yet? Hmm. Here are a couple of things:

1) Inside the story, it's only been a month. Miranda's sources work fast, but they're not seers. (Except Ariel, but - well, we'll get into that later.) Besides, like her father, Miranda - who did say in DSMP2.5 that she'd look into it - is a meticulous soul. One might almost say persnickety. She's an intel officer by nature, and that means that barring imminently apocalyptic developments, she's not going to sit anyone down and issue a report until all the Ts are dotted.

2) More importantly, perhaps, it's the middle of the school term. Kaname's got a lot of stuff to do. She doesn't need that kind of distraction right now unless it's really, imminently, emergently, the-computer-is-the-only-thing-speaking-get-out-get-out-of-there urgent. Which it apparently is not.

So, you know, consider easing up a little. We're gettin' to it. :)

>That's Shizuru for you. The world could use more people who understand
>the sublime beauty, and terror, of a properly filled-out form.

Perhaps to whatever gods she reveres, "I've done the paperwork" is equivalent to "my math is right."

>(cr10 says that her penmanship is EXQUISITE.)

But probably in kind of an irritating font. Lots of curlicues. Little hearts instead of dots on the dotted lowercase letters. ... well, maybe not that last part.

(Saya Otonashi does that, though. Except in her case it's vampire smiley faces. Also, I might be lying.)

>What's running through Sosuke's head right now is probably something
>like "Survive the initial swing. Once inside her guard, secure the
>weapon and proceed with CQC. She's taller than me; this limits my
>takedown options. Sweep the legs."

I like the ambitious nature of step 1. That's like starting a business plan with "1) Make $1,000,000." :)

>(I like to imagine Sosuke lives by the Code of the Sniper: "Be polite.
>Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.")

This is probably true.

>(Second best kind of sledding: drunk sledding. Best kind of sledding:
>drunk, night sledding.)

The year before I got to WPI, someone got very seriously hurt doing that - drunk nighttime sledding down Institute Hill, over near the library, using the old-fashioned fiberglass DĀKA trays. That had rather killed the enthusiasm for such activities around the Institute in my day, I'm afraid...

>Lindsey may not be as cute as Kyoko

I consider that point debatable, although in her natural habitat, I will concede that she is generally less precious. :)

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26. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >>If they really wanted to show away and be all fancy about it, someone
>>could probably grab one of those low-strength shield generators
>
>True. On the other hand, they already get a bad rap in some
>circles for ostentation. :)

Well, there's something to be said for quiet dignity. But the Duelist's are a crowd of people who exist in a universe where people regularly go into combat wrapped in a kinetic barrier, a combat skin, and a subdermal weave, armed with weapons that consider things like boiling hot plasma to be a standard munition.

And they've said "No, you know what? We're going to stick with edged weapons mostly, thank you. Backed up by sheer bloody-mindedness. We feel this is still a worthwhile combat discipline." And have made it work.

At that point, you grab all the ostentation you can get. You shouldn't be smug about it, of course. Not in the way that, say, Genom used to be, building their giant metal penises all over the galaxy. But go big, or go home. :)

>In this case (I did that bit) I particularly wanted to put people in
>mind of that parka Han Solo's wearing in the "I thought these things
>smelled bad on the outside" scene, so, Hoth. :)

Did he have those ridiculous glasses as well? :)

>>I question just how well his company briefed Sosuke on this assignment
>>before inserting him. Sergei's presence on campus was the subject of
>>significant legal wrangling, and he has a paper trail that's part of
>>the public record that is a mile long.
>
>True; on the other hand he hasn't lived there since 2407. How far
>back do you want these files to go?

Hmm, that's a good question. I suppose it's not a matter of depth, but breadth. The prominent alumni of the Duelist's Society are... people of interest, and they show up back at their alma mater semi-regularly.

I was tempted to actually go look up what real-life military contractors do in terms of diligence when assigned to guard VIPs, but that's not something found on a casual Google search, and making sure the family of some temporarily important minister in Iraq doesn't get blowed up doesn't bear much resemblance to Sosuke's mission here.

>The Rhodos Group does seem to have been a bit slack about their due
>diligence, though. This might be expected of an organization that,
>until recently, specialized in providing a sort of "mallcop SWAT"
>service, but... well, like I said before, wait for it. You're not
>completely off the reservation with these reservations.

I always feel validated to know I'm at least within sniffing distance of being correct, of course. :)

>>Although I'll also note that part of me has been wondering for awhile
>>now if Sosuke is a total decoy and Melissa and Kurz, the ACTUAL
>>bodyguarding team, are hanging out in the background doing a much,
>>much better job at the whole 'covert' thing than he is.
>
>I can't speak to the first part, but I can tell you that if he
>does have More Covert Backup in place, it isn't Mao and Weber.
>In UF, they're with WDF Mars Division, same as Kaname's parents, and
>have since long before Kaname (or Sosuke, for that matter) was born.

I think I may have known that at some point. Your universe is really huge.

>>Let's be fair, Kaname. You probably know more than a few ladies who
>>also turn into crazy people when their body decides "today is a great
>>day to flood myself with natively-made chemicals!" One of your fellow
>>RA's is Natsuki Kruger, for heaven's sake. :)
>
>True, although in this instance she's thinking particularly of the
>whole "hundred-handed giants of gropitude" thing. ... though, I
>suppose, if we're being fair, Natsuki might be like that too when the
>moon is full. Awoooooooo.

I respect you for not going for the easy tentacle monster joke and instead taking time to come up with a hundred-handed giant metaphor.

>>"So who won the pool?"
>>
>>"Kozue and Chip split. You'd think other people would have had money
>>on 'harem', but no, it was just them. Hell of a payout, too."
>
>Two thoughts on this:

Yeah, I just sort of apologize for everything after this. I'm kind of an idiot sometimes, and it was just DUMB.

>Also, technically that's Nall's job. And he didn't even do it. He's
>such a little slacker.

Well, I doubt anything he came up with would've been more fun for Corwin than what he actually ended up doing.

>>I know that, at the meta-level, a big part of why Kaname is still in
>>the dark about this is because it also leaves the readers in the dark
>>until a huge, awesome reveal comes along.
>
>Then why make an issue of it? Seriously, what purpose does it serve?
>It's like complaining that you know why suspension bridges have
>to have those upright bits in the middle, but man, they break up the
>view something awful.

Well, serious response to a serious question: it's a little bit like seeing the stage crew at a performance, or being able to actually see the magician palm a coin; you're not supposed to see the strings.

At the meta level (the Doylist level, if we're being fancy about things) everything that happens happens because without it, there wouldn't be a story. But aesthetically speaking, I like for there to be solid in-universe (Watsonian) explanations and logic underpinning everything. It's aggravating to see the machinery, as it were. So I point it out.

Now, that is, of course, my own damage, and not your problem. And you are of course a much more accomplished writer than myself, and I'm also kind of the FNG around here. So I might be out of line. I don't try and be deliberately arrogant, relentlessly negative, or bust peoples balls about things. But, well, the forums seem to here to discuss things, and I do love (and I mean love) me some good arguin'. So here I am.

>So, you know, consider easing up a little. We're gettin' to it. :)

Message received. :)


>>(cr10 says that her penmanship is EXQUISITE.)
>
>But probably in kind of an irritating font. Lots of curlicues.
>Little hearts instead of dots on the dotted lowercase letters. ...
>well, maybe not that last part.

Depending on what sort of culture she hails from (like Natsuki, her name rather Niogi-ish) she may have gone whole hog and broken out the calligraphy brushes for something this important. :)

>>What's running through Sosuke's head right now is probably something
>>like "Survive the initial swing. Once inside her guard, secure the
>>weapon and proceed with CQC. She's taller than me; this limits my
>>takedown options. Sweep the legs."
>
>I like the ambitious nature of step 1. That's like starting a
>business plan with "1) Make $1,000,000." :)

Sosuke seems like the kind of guy who, if no other options are available, considers "Jump out the fifty-story window" as an acceptable first step to solving the problem "the building is on fire." :)

I like that about him.

>>(Second best kind of sledding: drunk sledding. Best kind of sledding:
>>drunk, night sledding.)
>
>The year before I got to WPI, someone got very seriously hurt doing
>that - drunk nighttime sledding down Institute Hill, over near the
>library, using the old-fashioned fiberglass DĀKA trays.

You know, speaking as someone who has happily careened down hills in the center of a giant rubber innertube in the dead of night while very, very buzzed on artisan hard cider (yeah, I'm a liquor snob, we all have our vices) that is something I wouldn't want to try even stone cold sober at high noon.

I've SEEN people go down hills on cafeteria trays and other, less stable devices, and my opinion has always been "You guys are fuckin' insane." I don't even like old-style sleds and toboggans; I look at a sled with actual runners and think "if you flip over on that thing or hit bad bump and go flying it's going to take your head off." I'd almost rather literally throw myself physically down a hill than ride one.

Give me something that's more properly used as a pool toy to go downhill in any day. On the right slope it isn't appreciably slower, and you can run into all manner of things or flip the thing entirely over onto yourself and it'll just bounce off.

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30. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >I respect you for not going for the easy tentacle monster joke and
>instead taking time to come up with a hundred-handed giant metaphor.

One of these days I'm going to finally get around to that story where one of the protagonists is a friendly tentacle monster who's really depressed about the rap his people get. Keep your underpants on, girls, for pity's sake. He just wants to cuddle.

(Shuma-Gorath v. Sakura in the original Capcom Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter. Go ahead and tell me the game's designers weren't smoking that without the filter.)

>Sosuke seems like the kind of guy who, if no other options are
>available, considers "Jump out the fifty-story window" as an
>acceptable first step to solving the problem "the building is on
>fire." :)
>
>I like that about him.

Bear Grylls (of Man vs. Wild fame) briefly had another, shorter-lived show called Worst Case Scenario, which I quite liked. (Better than Man vs. Wild - survival shows don't really do it for me - but that's another thing.) In it he presented dramatized helpful tips about what to do if you were to find yourself in various really unfortunate situations. One of them involved escaping from a multi-story building (not that tall) under some desperate circumstance or another, and he did it by using a stairwell firehose as an impromptu stuntman's decelerator reel and jumping out of a window. One does rather think of things like that when Sosuke's around.

I enjoyed Worst Case Scenario a lot, but I'm not surprised it didn't last long. The legalities of the day meant that the show was kind of hopelessly in conflict with itself at all times. Bear would do a segment explaining how to rescue someone from a sinking car, and then a card would come up noting that under no circumstances should you ever, for any reason, attempt to rescue someone from a sinking car, for Christ's sake be reasonable. It rather spoiled the effect.

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32. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >Let's be fair, Kaname. You probably know more than a few ladies who
>also turn into crazy people when their body decides "today is a great
>day to flood myself with natively-made chemicals!" One of your fellow
>RA's is Natsuki Kruger, for heaven's sake. :)

Really? This joke had to be made? Can we keep this on a somewhat more civilized level than a PMS joke?

(yes, I know you probably meant it as a comment on various interests in partnering, but when using it and mentioning Natsuki, well. As the movie goes, think before you say these things, Mitch*.)

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34. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >>replied, not taking his eyes off the duel, "but you were right about
>>one thing." He glanced at Rory Williams, who still held Amy's jacket
>>and sword as he watched, then returned his attention to the duel.
>>"She clearly does not need a bodyguard."
>
>This seems like an odd thing for a professional soldier and at least
>semi-competent bodyguard to say. Just because someone is a total
>badass doesn't mean they don't necessarily need a bodyguard. In fact,
>being a total badass is likely to INCREASE your need for things like
>bodyguards and food tasters; there's a reason viking kings had house
>carles.

Honestly, I interpreted this bit as, "She clearly does not need a bodyguard. She already has Rory." Although that might be my own biases peeking through.


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7. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   As a fan of Mai-HiME/Otome/Z-HiME I've been highly enjoying seeing various versions of the characters dropped into the UF universe.

Though part of me is waiting for the other shoe to drop when the villains of said shows appear and start some kind of convoluted tournament-to-the-death-of-loved-ones. Wonder if they would potentially end up with the Order of the Black Rose with their special brand of magic.

I must admit to a mild tinge of disappointment that Shizuru's weapon didn't morph into the bladed whip seen in the anime - but that seems like the sort of thing that would be harder to use in the confined space then the naginata in the first place.

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8. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >Though part of me is waiting for the other shoe to drop when the
>villains of said shows appear and start some kind of convoluted
>tournament-to-the-death-of-loved-ones. Wonder if they would
>potentially end up with the Order of the Black Rose with their special
>brand of magic.

As noted before, the HiME Carnival is not happening here. There are no HiME's. There are people who look like HiME's, but their powers (if indeed they have any) would be coming from different sources.

You'll just have to wait to find out. :)

>I must admit to a mild tinge of disappointment that Shizuru's weapon
>didn't morph into the bladed whip seen in the anime - but that seems
>like the sort of thing that would be harder to use in the confined
>space then the naginata in the first place.

Well, that, and consider this:

Currently, Shizuru Viola has just been confirmed as a Journeywoman in the Fujino Chougaja Ryū. Like many other martial arts, it has varying levels of techniques reflecting levels of skill among its practicioners, and being able to perform said high-level techniques indicates their ability to be advanced to the next level. For example, Kaitlyn Hutchins was not considered ready to advance to Master level of the Asagiri Katsujinkenryū until she had performed the Blade of the Inviolate Soul technique (in combat, no less!) during the retreat from WPI all the way back in Hunted Rose.

What do you think the Master technique for the Fujino Chougaja Ry is?

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11. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >As noted before, the HiME Carnival is not happening here. There are
>no HiME's. There are people who look like HiME's, but their
>powers (if indeed they have any) would be coming from different
>sources.
>
>You'll just have to wait to find out. :)

Ah, yeah, I do remember the mention from the comments on one of the earlier stories that the carnival wasn't happening, though that still doesn't rule out some of the villains and/or similar magical curses. Especially with Akio Ohtori's little Order still running around out there.

>>I must admit to a mild tinge of disappointment that Shizuru's weapon
>>didn't morph into the bladed whip seen in the anime - but that seems
>>like the sort of thing that would be harder to use in the confined
>>space then the naginata in the first place.
>
>Well, that, and consider this:
>
>Currently, Shizuru Viola has just been confirmed as a Journeywoman in
>the Fujino Chougaja Ryū. Like many other martial arts, it
>has varying levels of techniques reflecting levels of skill among its
>practicioners, and being able to perform said high-level techniques
>indicates their ability to be advanced to the next level. For
>example, Kaitlyn Hutchins was not considered ready to advance to
>Master level of the Asagiri Katsujinkenryū until she had
>performed the Blade of the Inviolate Soul technique (in combat, no
>less!) during the retreat from WPI all the way back in Hunted
>Rose
.
>
>What do you think the Master technique for the Fujino
>Chougaja Ry is?

>
>--- Philip
>"So, still haven't managed the recovery on the whole chain-whip
>thing, Shizuru?" "No, not as of yet. Could I borrow a hat for the
>next week?"

>

Ha! Well played - that thought hadn't entered my mind. I immediately thought more of Kiyohime when the serpent stuff was mentioned instead of the bladed whip, but that could easily be applied.

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14. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >Though part of me is waiting for the other shoe to drop when the
>villains of said shows appear and start some kind of convoluted
>tournament-to-the-death-of-loved-ones.

On top of what Phil said below, it's worth noting that so far, everyone has either been Otome-exclusive, or where the names have differed, has used their Otome name in preference Hime name. Shizuru Viola, not Fujino. Natsuki Kruger, not Kuga. Nao Zhang, not Yuuki.

This implies something, at least to me. Mai-Otome was about romantic, dramatic adventure on a distant world between patriotic badasses engaged in a struggle against shadowy manipulators. There was a hell of a lot of drama, but it was fundamentally a very upbeat series.

Mai-Hime, despite the contrived happy ending, wasn't like that at all despite the presence of the world's deadliest game of Pokemon. It was about dealing with alienation from the world and coping with responsibility too weighty for your shoulders, and many if not most of the people in it were fundamentally broken. Shizuru was an emotionally manipulative stalker (who eventually turned violent) whose refined exterior concealed the fact she was largely dead inside, for example, and she was just the tip of the iceberg. And she was one of the protagonists.

Now, which of those sounds more like something that would fit neatly into UF? UF has incorporated weird, depressing series with a lot of existentialism and deeply fucked-up characters in them before, of course, but generally speaking it's had to do a lot of spade work in order to bring them "up to code" for the universe. Utena is of course the best example of that; you'll notice that Symphony 1 largely consisted of "let's get almost everyone we intend to salvage from the wreck of Akio's empire the fuck away from him for awhile so we can rebuild them into functioning human beings" and not "everyone will continue to wallow in their issues and be barely functional."

Given all that, and given the fact that they're supporting characters for the moment, it seems reasonable to expect more Otome and less Hime.

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>generally speaking it's had to do a lot of spade work in
>order to bring them "up to code" for the universe.

Just wanted to note that I'm really enjoying this metaphor. Partly because it's so apt, and partly because it led me instantly to a mental theater presentation of my decision to start working the Revolutionary Girl Utena elements heavily into Symphony No. 1, recast as the firehouse scene from Ghostbusters:

VENKMAN
What do you think, Egon?

SPENGLER
I think this storyline should be condemned. There's serious metal fatigue in all the load-bearing members, the wiring is substandard, it's completely inadequate for our power needs, and the neighborhood is like a demilitarized zone.

STANTZ
(shouting from upstairs)
Hey! Does this pole still work?! Woohooo! This place is great! We should stay here tonight! Sleep here! I'm gonna go get my stuff.

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18. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >>generally speaking it's had to do a lot of spade work in
>>order to bring them "up to code" for the universe.
>
>Just wanted to note that I'm really enjoying this metaphor. Partly
>because it's so apt,

You're very kind. I do, occasionally, manage an insight that's neither annoying nor offensive.

>and partly because it led me instantly to a
>mental theater presentation of my decision to start working the
>Revolutionary Girl Utena elements heavily into Symphony No.
>1
, recast as the firehouse scene from Ghostbusters:

Yeah, that's kind of how I was envisioning the process.

More seriously, I don't find anything wrong, per se, with stories that look at the darker, freakier side of Utena and say "yeah, let's go THERE." There've been plenty of damned good ones. Jacquemart springs to mind. But "it's five years later, and Utena is still emotionally traumatized and largely unhappy, with no real friends and a relationship with Anthy that grows more artificial every day, and the only people she could ever talk to about what happened were mindwiped by a person who may or may not be some species of devil and who may or may not have had more of Anthy's willing cooperation than she thinks..."

Well, that could be a great story. But it's not really a UF story, is it?

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19. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-14-13 AT 04:43 PM (EDT)
 
>Utena is still emotionally
>traumatized and largely unhappy, with no real friends and a
>relationship with Anthy that grows more artificial every day

We took the freeway out of town
We found a place to settle down
We bought a driveway and a swing set and a dog
You've got your very own bathroom
I've got my very own workshop in the basement
We sit around staring at the wall-to-wall
Take field trips to our favorite mall
Waiting for the day when all the kids grow up and leave us here

If you need me, I'll be downstairs with the Shop Vac
You can call but I prob'ly won't hear you
Because it's loud with the Shop Vac on
For heaven's sake it's really loud with the Shop Vac on
But you'll be OK, 'cause you'll be upstairs with the TV
You can cry and I prob'ly won't hear you
Because it's loud with the Shop Vac on

We hung a flag above the door
Checked out the gourmet grocery store
I bought a mower I can ride around the yard
But we haven't got real friends
And now even the fake ones have stopped calling
Maybe if you forget to hide the keys
I'll take a ride to Applebee's
Come home drunk on daiquiris
And throw up on the neighbors' lawn

If you need me, I'll be downstairs with the Shop Vac
You can call but I prob'ly won't hear you
Because it's loud with the Shop Vac on
For heaven's sake it's really loud with the Shop Vac on
You'll be OK, you'll be upstairs with the TV
You can cry and I prob'ly won't hear you
Because it's loud with the Shop Vac on

I like the Starbucks here that's better than the other one
'Cause the other one's not as good
They really need to put a light there 'cause it's hard to turn
It's hard to make a left turn

And when it's time to go to bed
I'm still awake inside my head
Floating up above the house and looking down
I guess I gotta go back there
I guess there never was any other answer
And as the freeway hums the cars go by
The headlights roll across the sky
Many miles away and I can see them speeding through the dark

If you need me, I'll be downstairs with the Shop Vac
You can call but I prob'ly won't hear you
Because it's loud with the Shop Vac on
For heaven's sake it's really loud with the Shop Vac on
You'll be OK, 'cause you'll be upstairs with the TV
You can cry and I prob'ly won't hear you
Because it's loud with the Shop Vac on

- Jonathan Coulton
"Shop Vac"
Thing a Week One (2005)

>Well, that could be a great story.

We'll have to disagree about this, I guess. I mean, I'm not necessarily a my-way-or-the-highway kind of guy when it comes to the arts, but, bleh.

>But it's not really a UF story, is it?

You're right about this, though.

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28. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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> - Jonathan Coulton
>"Shop Vac"
>Thing a Week One (2005)

A number of Jonathan Coulton's better songs have the same phenomenon going on that I strongly associate with Greatest Hits-era Springsteen (particularly "Born to Run" and ESPECIALLY "Born in the USA"); they sound upbeat and positive and just generally rockin' if you don't listen very closely and just let the melody carry you away.

Then one day you actually pay close attention to the lyrics and realize, holy shit, this is pitch fuckin' black and a scathing indictment.

>>Well, that could be a great story.
>
>We'll have to disagree about this, I guess.

Well, Jaquemart essentially has that as it's central conceit, and was at least thought highly enough of by Phil that he yoinked (with permission) the shadow play choreography from it for Ohtori Academy Spring Semester Blues, back in the day.

It and SoS are the two grand Utena epics of the early oughts, and I've always thought of them as mirror images of each other; SoS has all the cool swordfights and heroics and larger-than-life awesomeness, and Jaquemart had all the existentialism and biting emotional issues and Anthy being weird and inhuman and Saionji slapping people.

But now I've digressed.

>I mean, I'm not
>necessarily a my-way-or-the-highway kind of guy when it comes to the
>arts, but, bleh.

Hmm. I'm gonna try and express my tastes without sounding braggy and holier than thou:

On my shelf next to me right now are a complete set of Atomic Robo GNs, well-thumbed. But next to them is an equally well-thumbed "Watchmen." Lying on it's side on top of them is a copy of Cormac McCarthy's "The Road," which I just love to death, and on top of THAT is David Weber's "A Short, Victorious War," my favorite Honor Harrington novel.

The point is that, while I love me some pulp, I also love me some darkness. It's like, moral ambiguity? Questionable protagonists? Broken, wasted shells of human beings? Sign me up!

And then, when I'm done with that, I'll be equally thrilled to read a story about robots that bunch zombies. Punch them right in the head! Stupid zombies.

I may be strange.

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29. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >Then one day you actually pay close attention to the lyrics and
>realize, holy shit, this is pitch fuckin' black and a scathing
>indictment.

SEE ALSO: Most of Big Country's first album, The Crossing, including the track that still to this day gets a lot of airplay as a Rock Anthem.

So take that look out of here, it doesn't fit you
Because it's happened doesn't mean you've been discarded
Pull up your head off the floor, come up screaming
Cry out for everything you ever might've wanted
I thought that pain and truth were things that really mattered
But you can't stay here with every single hope you had shattered

>Hmm. I'm gonna try and express my tastes without sounding braggy and
>holier than thou:

As an aside, you, uh, didn't really accomplish this. :)

>It's like, moral ambiguity? Questionable protagonists?
>Broken, wasted shells of human beings? Sign me up!

See, the thing to me has long been that real life is already way, way too well-equipped with all'a that crap, so what do I want to go putting made-up hopeless frailty on my Rice Krispies for? But, you know, different floats for different boats.

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33. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >See, the thing to me has long been that real life is already
>way, way too well-equipped with all'a that crap, so what do I want to
>go putting made-up hopeless frailty on my Rice Krispies for?

THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE. This is essentially why I just could not get into the new Galactica, for example-- no matter how well written/produced/acted it was, I just couldn't bring myself to wallow in the prevailing Hopeless Bleak Despair. I have no objections to other people enjoying this sort of thing, but it is Not For Me.


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35. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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>THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE. This is essentially why I just could not get
>into the new Galactica, for example-- no matter how well
>written/produced/acted it was, I just couldn't bring myself to wallow
>in the prevailing Hopeless Bleak Despair. I have no objections to
>other people enjoying this sort of thing, but it is Not For Me.

And this is also why UF is my preferred continuity for nearly all current comicbook characters (Robo is a tie. :) )

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36. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   Hearing about how anything not 100% made up of Bright And Shiny Optimism is dark-for-the-sake-of-dark misery porn always annoys me, even though I know you guys don't mean it in the way it's usually meant. Creative media are not solely about feeling good; rather, they are about feeling, and to suggest otherwise is to denigrate every tragedy ever written. Denying authors and artists and creative people any emotion, whether it be happiness or sadness (and don't worry, I get pissed off at dickweasels in black rollnecks who demand that all art be exercises in melancholy too), stunts the growth of their medium and lessens the impact of the stories they use that medium to tell. I'm surprised to hear this from people who play video games (I'm assuming that you do, so please correct me if this is otherwise), since the perception of games as "for children" is something gamers have tried extremely hard to change over the years and yet this line of argument, that a creative medium is only good for entertainment, is almost exactly the same as the one trotted out by the violent-video-games-r-teh-evilz spods.

Also, does anyone know where this box came from? Smells rather like soap...

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37. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   I'm not denying anyone anything. Other folks? Free to wallow. I'm just saying I don't dig that action and it's generally not served at this counter as a result.

I mean, I can and will do some dark shit. I've put characters through hell (sometimes literally!), and (if current plans come to fruition) will do again. But here's the thing: I very much resist doing that - on some level, I think I probably can't do that - under the assumption that it'll be permanent. There has to be some hope somewhere, or I can't see the point.

Look, the Second Law of Thermodynamics is the real world's nightmare curse. It guarantees that any improvement in anything is a temporary illusion, life is fleeting and a constant struggle while it lasts, and ultimately everything around you - especially your own body and mind - will, not may, will let you down. Faced with that ultimately brutal cosmic truth, why even bother with no-exit angst in fiction? It's a pale imitation at best.

Well! This discussion got brilliant in a hurry. Thanks, Merc.

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38. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-13 AT 02:23 PM (EDT)
 
This biggest problem I have with most "character driven" drama pap is that you cannot fail to notice the hand of the manipulator on the strings. Every time something Goes Horribly Wrong and the world is thrown on it's ear(again), it's always apparent that the writers are just fucking with things to keep the audience glued to the screen.

Don't get me wrong, I love horrible shit happening to people! I read GRRM's books ferchrissakes! The difference, to me at least, is the former feels contrived and manufactured, where the latter, which can get even darker and more gruesome feels more organic. There is absolutely no difference in the method of genesis, both are calculated, weighed and measured by the hand of the authors. But as the Chief just said, Entropy is a motherfucker; it crushes all dreams, smashes all hopes of a brighter tomorrow, and all but guarantees no chance for any kind of a lasting legacy. WE. ARE. DOOMED.

BUT! We yet fight. We don our lab coats and coveralls, mail our fists in nitrile or leather gloves, and we fight it. Our bodies are failing! Heal them, cure them, engineer ways to repair them. We need more energy! Continue the search for alternatives. Improve our overall energy efficiency. Our world sucks! It's tethered to a star that will eventually eat it! Search the stars, find worlds that meet physical criteria alike to ours. Discover and exploit the boundaries of our universe to get there.

This is the history(and legend) of humanity, and it is what informs our greatest works of art and fiction; to see the world terrible; fraught with hazards and maladies, and to gird our loins, grit our teeth and push on. It hasn't all been in vain, as we all know. These successes, small and infrequent, keep us stoked, and reinforce themselves by yielding more successes.

To get to the point, there's saccharine hope, and then there's the real shit, the kind of pragmatic, yet optimistic determination that, knowing we face the eventual, unavoidable heat-death of the universe, that our own lives will be short and fraught with miseries of all sorts, drives us to continue to, as the poem goes, "rage against the dying of the light". One rings a little false, while the other blares with a truth that aches at times.

That's why I come here, actually. Even when I was young and angry and ignorant, I detected that something that resonated like a sonorous bell in both my head and my heart. I hope for a better tomorrow; it is the whip that spurs me onward to meet it.

My two centi-creds, of course. Your mileage may vary.
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39. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >BUT! We yet fight. We don our lab coats and coveralls, mail our fists
>in nitrile or leather gloves, and we fight it. Our bodies are
>failing! Heal them, cure them, engineer ways to repair them. We
>need more energy! Continue the search for alternatives. Improve our
>overall energy efficiency
. Our world sucks! It's tethered to a
>star that will eventually eat it! Search the stars, find worlds
>that meet physical criteria alike to ours. Discover and exploit the
>boundaries of our universe to get there
.

(Remainder of excellent monologue snipped)

Why, why, why does this board not have a "Like" button that I can press ten thousand times for things like this?

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43. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   Ahehehe...Thanks, Croaker and db. I'm not the most talkative sort, but this is a topic I'm quite passionate about. I actually wasn't sure what sort of reception my slam-firing mouth would net me.

Anyways, as the Mondoshawan said, "Time not important, only life important". Mdg1's post below makes an eloquent defense for the precautionary tale, but that song is not within me. I want my mind fired by the potential for growth, expansion, interaction...Entropy's easy, fighting it is hard.

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44. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >Entropy's easy, fighting it is hard.

OK, this branch hasn't been a total loss. Your original response was way better than mine, and now Corwin's just acquired a six-word explanation of why he prefers to do stuff the hard way. I should put a disclaimer on the site someplace warning users that if you say something really good on the board, I'll steal it for one of our characters to say someday. :)

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   >Disclaimer
Ha! I've always considered anything I've said in these forums to be public domain. You cannot steal that which is not owned. :)

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47. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >>Entropy's easy, fighting it is hard.
>
>I should put
>a disclaimer on the site someplace warning users that if you say
>something really good on the board, I'll steal it for one of our
>characters to say someday. :)
>

You mean that wasn't part of the sign-up Terms And Conditions?

Damn, maybe I should read those things.

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41. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >Look, the Second Law of Thermodynamics is the real world's nightmare
>curse. It guarantees that any improvement in anything is a
>temporary illusion, life is fleeting and a constant struggle while it
>lasts, and ultimately everything around you - especially your own body
>and mind - will, not may, will let you down. Faced with that
>ultimately brutal cosmic truth, why even bother with no-exit angst in
>fiction? It's a pale imitation at best.

Actually, at Boskone last year, I found myself listening to a Russian fan named Leonid Korgowski who expounded at some length about a "4th Law of Thermodynamics", as derived by Ilya Prigogine.

The language is pretty abstruse, but the upshot of it is while entropy may be increasing, there's also a definite trend toward more complex systems.

He goes on about it in some detail in his blog, here:

http://www.pinknoise.net/2012/03/23/optimism-and-darkness-in-science-fiction/

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42. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-13 AT 04:37 PM (EDT)
 
OK, fine. My science may be wrong too. Finest kind.

Ever just regret even engaging with something? Yeah. Years from now, Phil's going to come in here thinking to review the discussion generated by this piece and be all, "Oh. Right. This is the one that went horribly wrong. Thanks, Gryph."

Sigh. Sorry, Phil.

Let's just drop it.

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45. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   Believe it or not, I found hope and inspiration in your earlier post.

Yes, we now have what we think is a pretty good idea of how the story begins (born in an atto-instant of unimaginable fury, as energy too dense to be matter creates space to have something to blast outward into) and ends (a uniform cold darkness as the last of the protons boil away and time itself ceases to exist in any but the most abstract sense). But the part in the middle? That's the part that matters to us bright, ephemeral baryonic beings. That cosmically brief instant of wonder when matter organizes itself into galaxies and stars and planets and clouds and oceans and life - sometimes even, miracle of miracles, life that can look at and know itself. That's the really cool part, IMO.


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   >Mai-Hime, despite the contrived happy ending,

I have to object to this. Yes, the ending was just as mood-whiplash to the HiMElander arc as that was to the first half of the show, but all of the elements that made it possible - the power granted to the 'victor', their imprisonment by the Obsidian Lord, their eventual replacement by the new victor, Mashiro being the kind of person that would do that - were set up explicitly ahead of time. They just weren't foreshadowed as being connected, so people who've been conditioned by Disney-esque copouts keep mistaking the existence of a positive twist for a deus ex machina.

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   >>Mai-Hime, despite the contrived happy ending,
>
>I have to object to this.

Fair enough. I'll concede the point that it wasn't 'contrived' per se.

I still think it was bad. If you're gonna kill your cast, fine. (And there are ways to kill your cast that suck.) But if you successfully mine their deaths for pathos, as My-Hime did, using a giant reset button at the end is almost certainly going to be awful.

Basically, I disapprove on an aesthetic level of trying to have your cake and eating it to. If you want to write a tragedy, commit to writing a tragedy. Don't have King Lear suddenly rise from his deathbed and declare that every day henceforth is Cordelia Is Awesome Day and oh yeah, it turns out Gloucester is alive after all.

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>Basically, I disapprove on an aesthetic level of trying to have your
>cake and eating it to. If you want to write a tragedy, commit to
>writing a tragedy. Don't have King Lear suddenly rise from his
>deathbed and declare that every day henceforth is Cordelia Is Awesome
>Day and oh yeah, it turns out Gloucester is alive after all.

Tragedy.

*just looks at the Underwear Orphan episode*

*and the cooking one*

*and all the bloody Next Episode clips*

...Riiiiiiight.

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48. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >I still think it was bad. If you're gonna kill your cast, fine. (And
>there are ways to kill your cast that suck.) But if you successfully
>mine their deaths for pathos, as My-Hime did, using a giant reset
>button at the end is almost certainly going to be awful.

Having just rewatched the first Sailor Moon series, I remembered this quote, and wanted to take a moment to wonder why someone things that this with My-Hime was at all different from the 'kill everyone, do a huge reset' in that series.

But again, I digress.

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49. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   We need more DSM Panic.

That is all.

Craig

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Writer for Battletech/IAMTW-
Nominated Author. Co-author
of Four Outcast Ops novels --
African Firestorm, Red
Ice, Watchlist,
and
Shadow Government.
Author of the Battletech
Novel, Icons of War
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50. "RE: (SoS) DSM Panic Mission 5.67: Two Duels and a..."
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   >We need more DSM Panic.
>
>That is all.
>
HEh.

Concur!!! Too bad rule one applies here. *wistful look*


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